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Remember the election that Tubbo planned to do during the New L'Manburg era? The one we never got to see because of the Doomsday stuff?

I don't remember perfectly on who the parties were, just that Niki & Ranboo were the Coconut2021 party and that Quackity wanted run against Tubbo, so forgive me if there's a missing party or if I got the members wrong.

So DSMP fandom, if that election happened, who would you have voted for?

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Ok, can anyone tell me where Oswald came from? I have the DSMP world download and next to Tommy's house there's a tank with an axolotl named Oswald in it. Where did he come from? I know there was an Oswald on the OSMP but where did this one come from? I have a little feeling that he might have gotten it from Phil? Where did this boy come from?!

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I love how people act like c!Puffy would have been the perfect therapist for c!Tommy when in actuality those therapy sessions would have turned out like this;

Those two had the exact same hero complex and the same trauma's with betrayal. They were the same type of hot mess just in different situations.

And on a completely separate note, if anyone has any fic recommendations-

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I wasn't really on the Hannah side of things but God do I hate how Niki and Puffy's characters were, and honestly still are, treated. Either reduced to the caring mother or sister, or made to be "the bitch". Niki and Puffy were some of my favourite characters, hell Niki was the POV I usually went to after watching Tommy's.

I hate how often Niki is replaced and ignored as being a part of the Syndicate, despite it being so important to her character growth. I hate how Puffy's memory loss and family curse are ignored in favour of her being a mother and therapist. I hate how people ignored the fact that Niki and Puffy were engaged.

I didn't watch really long streams back then cause I was in highschool and didn't have an attention span but these two I made an exception for. If I had the patience I would watch the stream in full, if not I would just go to the lore part. I didn't do that with any other members of the DSMP, even with Tommy I didn't really watch his VODs at the time.

Sorry for the rant, I just really love Niki and Puffy's characters and hate that in most of the fics I read they're reduced to one dimensional characters.

Can I also say that often, the women of the DSMP would often get way more criticism than the male creators would get.

We had Hannah getting attacked for saying “sus” in her stream title because she was doing “cultural appropriation” when it had been an internet wide meme for months and many of the men on the server made the same exact jokes. Then when she got upset because she had just been trying to mess around on the server for a fun stream, people accused her of “using white women’s tears” … She got criticized for winning the elytra wings for I don’t even remember what reasoning.

We had Niki cut out of the main plot for months when Wilbur basically just forgot about her character and when she finally carved out her own niche in the story, her character got visceral hate for months because she was playing a role against Tommy and trying to help create conflict for the story. ALSO PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY STILL MISSPELLING HER NAME TO THIS DAY. HER NAME IS 4 LETTERS LONG AND WE ARE THE FANDOM THAT LEARNED HOW TO SPELL L’MANBURG

We had Puffy blowing up Tommy’s house because he took down L’Targay, and then people Freaked Out about it because a few lines had been said about her being his therapist and because his character was still in conflict with Dream, Puffy was being evil to him and apparently no one else was allowed to do any kind of conflict with Tommy because of it. Another time Tommy was stirring up some conflict and stole Puffy’s axe and of course because she didn’t just let him have the axe (which wouldn’t have been good content) she got criticized. Because she was a therapist, if she ever treated Tommy with anything but perfect kid gloves, she got actual hate. We’re not even talking about how her character was SO often just reduced to “caring motherly therapist” when if you watched her for any amount of time you knew that she was chaotic as all hell and nothing like that.

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Dude I just wanted to get back into the DSMP cause I wanted to finish my fics, both published and drafted. Why am I back in the trenches? Why are we back in 2020, I don't want to be here.

I just want to write my funny little stories and move on.

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Ok, correct me if I'm wrong or just answer this question but did Tommy know the full context of what Quackity was doing for torture or did he just know Quackity was torturing Dream?

Cause I recently saw the clip where Dream went on the whole rant of "I'm going to make your life a living hell" and I saw that Tommy seemed confused at Dream mentioning that Quackity was torturing him? Less so about it happening and more so that it had an impact?

Like, torture is something that has happened on the server before, it's something that even Tommy himself has done, but it was more so treated as a bit usually. The only exception I can remember other then Dream is Connor. So did Tommy know or find out the full context?

Did he he know it was every day for months? Did he know it wasn't stuff like water boarding but with stuff like axes and shears? Did he know the full context or did he just know that torture was happening?

I don’t think it would have changed much story wise since after Wilbur was revived he didn't really get time to think about shit, if he did I think we would have had a revist to that "Wilbur is worse then Dream" comment Tommy made after he got out of prison. Along with the likely realisation that "Hey, Dreams manipulation in exile was eerily similar to what Wilbur did in Pogtopia", I was so close to getting that when Tommy compared the two during the Burger Van arc.

I know Tommy was aware of it, I distinctly remember Quackity told him, I just don't remember what was said. Did he know the full context, also what was his initial reaction in general cause I don't remember that either and for the life of me I can't find the damn clip.

(Also just for some context, the reason I'm asking this is because I'm writing a couple fics where Tommy's reaction to the full context of Dreams torture is important and I need to know if I need to go more canon divergent then I already am.)

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"SMPE!Tommy and DSMP!Tommy are the same!"

SMPE!Tommy would have sided with c!Dream out of spite for c!Wilbur in the Independence War. SMPE!Tommy would have sided eyed c!Techno whenever he said he was an Anarchist because the Antarctic Empire was a dictatorship. SMPE!Tommy would have absolutely joined Manberg with no hesitation. SMPE!Tommy would have had straight up flash backs when c!Quackity threatened c!Techno's horse.

Buisness Bay could be canon to DSMP!Tommy. Deo, Bitzle and Luke could be canon to DSMP!Tommy. There is no way in hell that the entirety of SMPE!Tommy is the same person as him.

They're both chaotic little shits but SMPE!Tommy makes c!Tommy look like a saint.

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Bapssidy nation how we feeling!!

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Hi! Are you stilling planning to release your RJ fanfic?

Yes!! It is still something I plan on releasing but right now I'm honestly too busy and I'm not in the write mindset to focus on something I don't have the energy for. That will likely change soon considering Uni is now done for the year so I can now focus on other projects, but it will likely still take a bit of time

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Little fanfic thing I drew cause I have no self control.

This is a Rosie the Sheep design for some fics I'm planning on writing (full explanation below).

Ok so, I write a lot of SBI centric fics, or at least I'm planning to, but with the whole biter situation and the things we are still learning about the fucker, I don't feel comfortable writing his character. As a result for fics that I feel like I need to have a c!Wilbur type character I will be using Rosie as a replacement for that role. Though I'm going to say now that though she is a replacement, she will still be a character in her own right.

I just don't feel comfortable with how closely linked the biter is to his character, especially considering his ending reveals that he was isekaied into the Minecraft world from our world. Combining that and how we know he acted in real life, it makes me feel gross to explore the character in depth in any way. This is honestly a boundary for me, if you write fics you do you with the characters. I've seen people continue to use him and I've seen people replace him, I don't care what you do as long as you don't support the bitch.

(There's also the fact I thought that replacing him with a pink sheep would be incredibly funny.)

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Something I noticed when re-watching the 100-days video is that when Charlie pulls out Condi's sword, Tommy seems to recognize it?

He either says "That weapon doesn't fit me anymore" or "That weapon doesn't fear me anymore", both could be wrong since I don't have the greatest ears. Either way Tommy recognizes the sword, for the former it could mean that the sword was Tommy's at one point, likely being from before he was infected or when he broke out of the lab, or for the latter, Condi tried to kill Tommy with that sword in an attempt to stop Tommy from escaping.

Either way I find it interesting.

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Was honestly also going to reply with a comment but also realized I had a lot to say on this topic. Also not going to lie, went down a rabbit whole of your content so I could respond to this properly, so hi from a new follower!

That's honestly really fair view of the timeline, I've honestly looked at the timeline as just inherently a mess (consequence of also being a FNAF fan) so I just kind of rolled with what was generally implied by the characters themselves. Especially since scheduling issues happened a lot with the DSMP causing plot threads to take longer or be shorter then they should have. Basically I had the timeline set to what made sense narratively in the vibes of the story. Though I will admit that the way you put the timeline is interesting and makes a lot more sense in the full schema of things, especially for Dreams character.

I will be the first to admit my inherent biases against Dream considering during the DSMP's hay day I was a full Tommy apologist up until the end of the server. Which actually started making me look into Dream's character more critically. Before that though me only watching Tommy's POV honestly informed my view of the timeline, it's been getting better since though since I've started looking at other POV's and the characters in general more critically.

So looking at the timeline through this lens does honestly put in perspective for me on character actions. Especially Dream and Tommy's. I was already going down the rabbit hole of realizing that Tommy's exile and c!discduo's dynamic in general was very situational to what happened during the Pogtopia era. So this will definitely help with my writing going forward, so thank you.

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@wildissylupus I hope it's okay if I respond to you in a post, I was going to comment back but it was getting too long (to no one's surprise) lol. :) <3

I mean yes and no, I’m pretty sure in canon there are far more references to the actual date and time than ccs saying otherwise, whether that’s Techno talking about spending three months in prison, Sam in Daedalus taking note of the days, Dream talking about being in prison for almost a year, or even Tommy and Tubbo talking about how it’d been a wild couple years in the finale. There are also the dates preset for the festivals and wars and such that are referenced in lore. Additionally, I am of the opinion that unless it is agreed upon by the majority of the ccs involved that the timeline is different, then it is not. So, it doesn't matter if cc!Tommy said Exile lasted longer, it's not recognized across the board. This is important because every character is affected from these things. It looks far different if your character doesn't make it to visit Tommy in his 11 day Exile than letting him stay exiled for weeks and not checking in. The same goes for age, as again I'd imagine you'd act different around a 13 year old or 40 year old rather than a 20 year old. Age changes dynamics in the same way that time does. George not visiting Dream in 11 months versus years of Dream being imprisoned is very different.

And you may be saying - well didn't you bring up age recently? - Yes, I did, [here] and the reason for this was two things, the first being limbo time dilation (that I was researching for my fic, Musical Chairs) which is confirmed canon by multiple events, and a poster I noticed recently in the Las Nevadas lore [seen here & here], for Quacktiy's 28th birthday, suggesting he is 7 years older than he is in real life. This is interesting because I believe it is the first time that in lore we have information about age vs ccs just saying things on the side. Begging the question whether we are to think everyone is 7 years older, only some characters are, or whether Quackity is just advertising to be older than he is. None of which are particularly satisfying conclusions to be honest.

Anyways, there really is no great reason to think that time was different, especially as it becomes problematic to other people's lore and events, and I don't remember an in canon reference to it being different, unlike Quackity's bday poster within his actual lore. However even if things like Exile were longer, than I think it's most reasonable to say everything is longer so the ratios and percentages I determined comparing the time frames would stay the same regardless. So for example: if Exile was a month long instead of 11 days, then Dream was in prison for 28.5 months or 856 days, or 2 years and 4.5 months, meaning Exile is still only 3.5% of Dream's incarceration.

(And yea, 11 days does seem pretty short but it really was just from December 5th to December 16th when he leaves. One of the reasons I think it might feel longer than it is, is perhaps because he streams everyday, so the influx of hours of content makes it seem longer.)

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What I always found irritating and hypocritical of the exile arc is that immediately after c!Tommy was exiled c!Quackity, c!Tubbo and c!Fundy started making plans to straight up kill c!Techno. Like Tommy greifed George's house with no intention of taking a canon life, while the Butcher Army did have that intention.

Cause all three of them gave Tommy shit for provoking Dream by stealing from George and burning a couple blocks of his house. Which was fixed in the stream after in under 20 mins and Tommy was given the actual appropriate punishment of being greifed back. Then immediately after that punishment of exile is given they start making plans to kill Techno.

And while yes, Quackity and Fundy disagreed with the decision to exile Tommy, that doesn't negate the fact that they still gave Tommy shit for it. When at least Tommy had the knowledge and experience to know that Dream could be overpowered, there was no evidence of that with Techno and as we see with the Butcher Army, Techno can't be overpowered like Dream can. This is also something Tommy knew cause I distinctly remember him saying that he did want to go after Techno but could right now cause he knew they would loose (though I might be misremembering).

At the end of the day, do I think this would have mattered? Do I think the outcome would have changed if Tommy wasn't exiled? No, Tommy was likely already spiraling after Wilbur's death, and if Niki is any constellation on how New L'Manburg acted in that regard, I don't think anyone would have checked in on Tommy regardless of exile. Tommy's downward spiral was an inevitability no matter what happened with exile, Dream and exile just sped the process up. I also don't think Tommy's reluctance to immediately go after Techno would have changed that outcome either. It would have at best lead to Tommy not being informed of the situation and ending up in a similar situation to Ranboo, or at worst Tommy also being put under house arrest cause he tried to stop them from making a very obvious bad decision.

Though none of this is to say I hated this arc, in all honesty I think it's a good example of how the different perspectives of the characters affected them. Tubbo, Quackity and Fundy all had mainly negative interactions with Techno and Techno never got the chance to know them outside of L'Manburg's government up to that point like he did with Tommy. Honestly I may be of the opinion that a lot of things would have changed if the plot happened differently but Doomsday is one of the only circumstances that I think were unavoidable.

I just wish the hypocrisy of the Butcher Army happening right after Tommy was exiled was addressed at some point (If it was addressed though please tell me cause honestly don't think it ever was).

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Since I'm being dragged back into this fandom I have something I personally believe and want to share;

c!Tommy is a lot more of a ranger archetype then a rouge archetype (which is a common trope I see and even one I wrote myself) and I wish he was treated more as a survivalist by the fandom. Yes he has an affinity for stealing, but I personally argue that his affinity for nature and animals is a lot more important to his character.

(If anyone has any fic reconandations where Tommy is basically a ranger and is competent at being one, please send them to me)

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The fact that most DSMP epilogue fan art depicts cTommy looking like cTechno and cPhil makes me so sad yet so happy, cause that is the best ending for him.

He was always expected to end up like cWilbur, then later there was the threat of him turning out like cDream. That was what the other characters expected, that's what other characters saw, but no. cTommy ended up like cPhil and cTechno.

And he's not happy, not yet anyway, but he's getting there.

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One of the things that got me crying was the realisation that the reason c!Tommy visits c!Techno's house the most is likely because that's the only place he truly felt protected. Both Techno and c!Phil protected him from c!Dream when no one else would. Despite everything it's the one place on the main server he feels safe in, the one place he wants to remain untouched and protected.

And that really hit me with a fucking gut punch.

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A rebooted DSMP finale in 2024 wasn't something I was expecting but God does it make me feel things....

The DSMP was a big part of my life and was a big comfort for me during lockdown. It will likely always hold a special place in my heart. It's the thing that got me back into reading with its fanfics, it made me so many friends that even if I'm not close with anymore, they will always be a part of me, and even altered the way I write my own stories on a fundamental level.

Even though I didn't have a big problem with the previous ending, I do prefer this ending. It leaves a lot open ended so the fanbase can continue, but is also fully final. The previous ending was made with a season 2 in mind and I think that hurt it, I understand why it was written that way. This ending was far better in my opinion and gave closure to a lot of people, including me.