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agreed. Agreed. AGREED

confession #32

Genuinely Macaque's characterization is one of the most confusing things I've ever seen. I always felt like LMK leaned into fanon too much, and Macaque is example #1. He was nothing but an antagonist who suddenly turned into a main hero out of nowhere. He didn't make up for any of his actions, he just randomly became a good guy. Even saying "Oh he helped the gang" doesn't work when either he only did it when there was literally no other option or when other villains who have put in the same effort as him and more get shoved to the side. I feel like the team just desperately wanted the audience to like him and it unfortunately worked to the level of very poorly squeezing in a nonexistent redemption arc so he can suddenly do cool stuff with the heroes and people can squeal about how far he's come. When in reality he didn't even put in the bare minimum to be a better person. Just because he's a likable villain doesn't make him a good hero

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To me with macaque

I haven't forgive him for his actions,because he had change of heart you might say but his actions in past seasons like s1/2/3 is never held accountable and such with his behavior that harm other too,macaque never gets a call out like wukong does,the narrative doesn't remind macaque of what he did wrong and characters holding him accountable.

Nor does he get punishment like wukong does in the show and story,macaque deny that pain he cause mk in s4,saying he isn't like the other villains,only saying ldb and azure are the one that use mk.And sometimes it feels like the show is giving him the past and wukong doesn't get that treatment.

I wish the gang showed more distrust towards macaque,like the avatar gang did to zuko,because he doesn't get magical forgiven because he help once,he get call out for the harm,he did and he has to Earned each of the characters trust (I also wish I saw that wukong to btw)

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Question: Is Mk trans in this AU?

(By the way, I promise this isn't like some interrogation, like, there's nothing wrong with him NOT being trans in your comic. Just asking is all)

Yes, and OH BOY there’s more (Dadwukong bonding moment)

Shadowpeach Bio Parent AU (PREV / FIRST /)

Also I hope I haven't offended anyone in anyway, what I mean here's is that he's AFAB, and he looked at the two of them and went "mmh... I mean, they look AMAB but I could be wrong so-" since technically he's biologically a mix of the two. So his question was more of a "why did Nuwa made me AFAB if this is the case." If there's a better way to write the dialouge lemme know.

And with that the “Training Arc 2:Electric Boogaloo” is done! Next part will be coming this Friday, but I’ll post another Q&A post on Wednesday, as well I’ll be drawing the AU live on my Twitch page at 1PM ET!

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We should talk more about Wukongs shame temple.

I feel like we don't talk enough about the shame temple.

What even is a shame temple?

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How it started

How it's going

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chronic pain is genuinely so stupid

what did i do to deserve this?! (forgot to take my meds for like a week)

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This might be me

Sometimes I foolishly doubt I have autism, being all "I have hyperfixations, sure, but not a special interest--" and then I feel SICK and hella shaky cause I'm scrolling through Monkie Kid/Mo key King stuff online and now I can't sleep and I NEED to blab or write about it I can't stop thinkin--

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anyone else just wanted to read on ao3 and immediately got a crisis because it's not working?

No? Just me? Ok.

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I saw your LMK and JTTW timeline post and that you were having trouble with some things. I have some theories and ideas that may help.

To just get Xiang Liu out of the way first, it’s kind of implied that he remembers the past cycles (either that or I’m confusing headcanons with actual canon). If not than he either met Sun Wukong when he was messing with the underworld those times and they haven't actually meet. Or it could be a third thing, it isn't likely but it's possible. Xiang Liu says that he is from the chaos beyond, and with Macaque powers turning into chaos type of magic. That alongside his and Wukong's strange origins and seeming to be the only demon monkeys as well as them causing chaos wherever they go, they might also be connected to the chaos beyond. (unlikely due to Xiang Liu not seeming to know Macaque, and the fact Wukong and Macaque could very much not be from whatever the chaos beyond is).

LBD, she I would argue is not the first enemy they face when the crew is all together is based mainly on the fact that Sun Wukong was a FREAKING maniac for most part of the original story of JTTW. Meaning she would have probably died if she was the first enemy. that means LMK tone his craziness down (most likely considering some things, but Wukong was probably still a maniac at least in the beginning of JTTW). But even then, she probably was not the first enemy they went against in the LMK JTTW timeline. They might have faced her the beginning, but she was most definitely not the first.

Kui Mulang is probably right after LBD like you said, and Ao Lie was the one kidnapped instead. But it could be that they just face Kui Mulang again. However, it was shown in the memory scroll, meaning it could have definitely happened but not in the order we're thinking.

For Macaque own little timeline, it's clear that the scene with Macaque and the Brotherhood was more or less right after the attempt at the celestial realm takeover. It also seems to be before the argument between Wukong and Macaque base on how loyal and/or much how Macaque is sticking up for Wukong and don't seem to have hard feelings at the moment. (Their argument was probably somewhere between the near end or far middle of Wukong's imprisonment. Meaning the argument was still fresh and clear on their minds, causing Wukong not to either care or question where Macaque is whenever he got banish and/or sent to FFM.) Plus, the entire scene they did not once hinted or implied the JTTW crew, if they were it was more at Wukong surrendering. If you are wondering where DBK is at during the scene, he's most likely off trying to court PIF because love at first fight is very serious for him. It's kind of shown in the show that Macaque does not care about the brotherhood at all or is close to any of them and is just there because, well, Wukong's there. So, it makes sense for Macaque to split from the brotherhood at any chance he can get, and what's a more prefect reason for that when they declare Wukong a traitor. Finally, to end the little Macaque timeline, the burning of FFM and Macaque death. Sun Wukong does not seem to know about FFM burning, I don't think he or the show implied it or anything like that. If they did, then they are taking that way too casually or it was not that as serious as it was in the book version. I, however, offer this, it was that serious and the reason it seems so gloss over is because Wukong really did not know about the burning because Macaque lead the recovery. Macaque said it himself that FFM is home as long as it was Wukong's, plus the FFM burning happens during Wukong's imprisonment under the mountain. For Macaque's death there are two things being implied, Wukong does not know of Macaque's death, (could be wrong on that), and that it happens after JTTW. Of course, they could have meet during the JTTW and had a fight that helps fire up their fight that leads to Macaque's death. It would also help explain why Wukong was more hesitant of not wanting to physically fight Macaque. Another two things about the fight, it was mainly told by both LBD and Macaque, (Wukong hadn't really said anything about it), and Wukong seems to have two different outfits when fighting with Macaque. (Them meeting during the JTTW and after would explain the outfits changes). LBD and Macaque have shown to unreliable narrators when it comes to tell the whole story. They may have the truth about parts of the fight they do not have the whole truth. Also to add on the Wukong does not know or did not do it intentionally bandwagon, he really does seem to actually view him and Macaque as equals (at least in fighting), so he clearly did not expect nor know that one punch to kill Macaque.

For the imprisonment of brotherhood thing, definitely during JTTW without a doubt for multitude of reasons. Main one being the outfit. (Also, I am just looking at the picture again, where is Ao Lie? Where is the boy??) Don't exactly know where in the timeline, but it was probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe it could be before or after the fight during JTTW with Macaque, or a run-in with DBK. Either way he finds out how the brotherhood is doing, that he is viewed/declare a traitor, and what they were planning at the time.

For the needing Guanyin help, it could be as you said. Different fire, different demon. I would argue that this happens either during JTTW way before the sealing of fire, or way after JTTW but just before DBK sealing. Those are based and depended on two things, the outfit and Tang being the narrator. (Wukong, however, is shown to wear a certain type of armor after the JTTW and before DBK sealing. So, we are going to mainly going to be relaying on Tang being the narrator here). It makes sense that Tang knows a lot about the Monkey King because that seems to be his job as a scholar/historian, as well as being a fanboy/nerd. He is most definitely the most knowledgeable about things regarding Wukong, the fact he teaches Mk almost everything about the Monkey King. Even then he has shown to be unreliable in regards of other things base on the fact he does not know of Macaque, the Brotherhood and other things. Plus, I don't think the JTTW book exist in the LMK universe, meaning if he wants to fact check it would probably be days of research. So, honestly, I do not blame him not remembering the demon's name or not knowing everything, and more impress with much he seems to remember. Even if the demon was Red Son, I would still argue that it's during or after JTTW. It could be at the time the Samadhi fire was starting to show but is not an imminent threat. It could also be a time where Red Son thought, 'You know what would be fun? Setting a valley on fire.' Either way it would probably cause Wukong needing Guanyin help with putting it out.

For the whole Red Son's arc is a bloody mess. It is probably why people seem to put the sealing during JTTW instead of after like the show is trying to be implying. I, however, think the sealing is after JTTW based solely on the outfit. (Unless Heaven decides that somewhere along the journey Wukong had chilled out enough to both take both the circlet off and gave him armor. If that is the case throw everything to the fucking wall, no point in solving the timeline because heaven ruin it). Plus, the JTTW crew seem to be in no hurry to continue the story, and despite Red Son clearly having the Samadhi fire sealed as a baby/young person, we don't exactly when as a baby/young person. (Heck, we do not fully know how celestials or demons really age). It's also implied that the Samadhi fire came to Red Son later in his life, not right after he was born, another point of it being after JTTW. For Wukong memories regarding the Samadhi fire in Amnesia Rules ep. He clearly is not in his right mind and it's not just because of his memory loss, but by the fact he confuses a stick for his staff and not questioning where the circlet is at. So, who's to say it did not mess with Wukong's memories/mind then just making him think he is back on the journey? Certainly not Wukong.

Sorry, this is so long, I did not expect to write this much. I hope everything I talk any part about was clear and easy to understand, as well as helps you or others figure out the LMK and JTTW timeline better. Even if I got somethings wrong. Hope you have a good rest of your day.

Hi, hello i didn't think anyone would want to help me with this. Nice to know I was proven wrong!

First up, you made me realize how little we can actually rely on our JTTW to fill in the gaps (i.e. Macaque's death). The fandom - me included - uses JTTW as a sort of blueprint on which LMK is based on. Most of us see the events taking place in JTTW as the events that must have occured during LMK JTTW, which is obviously not quiet true now that I thought about it more.

For my original post I used the book to line up the events of LMK and JTTW, which is when I realized...nothing really lines up. So yeah, book ain't that reliable when it comes to the timeline.

Speaking of the JTTW book, you mentioned how you weren't sure if a book even existed in LMK and as far as I'm aware a version most likely does exist. In the season 4 special Macaque tells MK to read the book after he notices MK's lack of knowledge, but that doesn't have to mean he was referring to JTTW.

If a book exists in LMK I'm assuming it's not like ours, considering - as you said - Tang doesn't seem to know anything about the Brotherhood or Macaque, both of whom are in the JTTW book. So I'd say in universe there is probably a less accurate version.

Now about Xiangliu and the whole Chaos thing, I'll just ignore that for now and we'll see what season 6 has to offer. They'll have to touch on Macaque's connections with the Chaos there, so hopefully we'll get some answers. (also about the 'remembering the last cycles' thing: I'm not sure myself. Might have been implied but if it was it went over my head but i haven't rewatched season 5 yet.)

I'm just gonna straight up agree with you on the LBD stuff. LBD most likely appeared during a later time, maybe even after the journey cause I don't think we see Wukong in any flashbacks to her being buried meaning my main indicator of a timeline - clothes and circlet - aren't there :(

Actually I think it was definetly later during or after the journey because she sure as hell isn't underground when reviving Macaque.

But this could also again be misleading, since the only people who have been proven to be reliable narrators are Tang (with his knowledge) and Wukong (when he there's a flashback with the info he's providing).

However, if she really is one of Wukong's later enemies than that would mean Macaque died round about in the middle of the journey. I don't really wanna touch on his death too much though, because as you said we never hear Wukong talk about it and Macaque...isn't exactly a trustworthy source.

We've seen two flashbacks of Macaque and Wukong's fight so far, the first one Macaque's

(Which - and I just noticed this as I was looking for these images - shows Wukong looking so...weirdly stoic again. Macaque is so full of emotion, he looks mad as fuck, but in both pictures Wukong just...doesn't. He looks a little upset in the first image but still not notably angry. He has the same expression only during two other fights, when he's posessed by LBD and during the sealing of the Brotherhood. But I don't know how reliable Azure is either so might wanna take that one with a grain of salt.

Though, I'm gonna say this version of their fight isn't accurate either because based on Wukong's clothing it should be after JTTW. And this is just my personal believe and maybe headcanons getting to me but I think Macaque attacked during the journey.)

And the second Wukong's in season 5 which doesn't have a lot to go on considering we don't actually see them we only hear them. The "only" thing we can really get from that is that Wukong did not want to fight (which is why I'm guessing Macaque started it) and that Macaque has lost it or something because he's cackling like a maniac.

(I mean...I'd love a whole discussion about Macaque's death but the specifics aren't that relevant to the timeline so...ignoring it for now)

The Brotherhood was definetly during the Journey. And thank you for pointin out that Ao Lie wasn't with the rest of the gang! I somehow didn't notice (even tho I love him, how did i not notice??) but it's rather odd.

Maybe I'm reaching again but say Kui Mulang actually took Ao Lie in LMK JTTW. Let's also say that Kui Mulang attacked right when they were about to go fight the Brotherhood (which I think was implied to have been ordered by the Celestial Realm so it would make sense why they wouldn't save Ao Lie first). That would be an - far fetched but still - explanation as to why he wasn't there.

I'm also gonna agree with you that the sealing of the Samadhi Fire was probably after the journey.

I'm also gonna expand that by adding that when Red Son first gained the fire he accidentally burned down like a valley or something and that's why Guanyin came and because he was a baby his name wasn't written down which is why Tang wouldn't know the demon. After that, fire got sealed.

To summarize the only events we know of that happened during the journey are:

The Brotherhood getting sealed away

Maybe Macaque's death (huge maybe tho)

Unless I forgot something...that's it.

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I'm going insane. (LMK season 5 spoilers at the end)

Trying to put together a timeline for JTTW in LMK is fucking hard.

Like it starts with Sanzang getting the pilgrims together, that's the same as in the book. But after that it gets wacky.

LBD should be the first demon the group encounters so I'm gonna say that is what happens in LMK too. After that nothing major happens that involves LMK.

Not long after that they should encounter Kui Mulang (in JTTW without Wukong because he got banished for killing LBD but that didn't happen in LMK so...i guess he's still here. Probably. Maybe. Or he got banished for some other shit, but for the sake of my sanity we're gonna pretend like he's at Flower Fruit Mountain like he should be**) who captures Sanzang, prompting Bajie to bring Wukong back.

In season 4 we see Kui Mulang together with a captured Ao Lie. So maybe in LMK it was Ao Lie who got captured...which in my opinion would probably be a better reason for Wukong to come back, because LMK seems to imply that the two of them were friends and Wukong probably didn't really care for Sanzang at that moment. (Granted this was in the Memory Scroll so who know if that even actually happened)

But then again these two kidnappings could also have happened seperatly because in JTTW Kui Mulang is married to the maiden he lost in LMK...but we'll ignore that.

(** also i just noticed, if Wukong got banished in LMK too and went back to Flower Fruit Mountain...that would mean he still found it burnt down and was livid but I can't help but wonder if he questioned where Macaque was? Because LMK makes it seem like Macaque joined the Brotherhood at Camel Ridge after their argument under the Mountain so...you think Wukong thought about that? Because now I'm thinking about it)

Then we come to Red Son's arc...things start getting tricky here. In JTTW Red Boy uses the Samadhi Fire to hurt Wukong prompting him to get help from Guanyin.

Guanyin then brings an ocean's worth of water with her, which does happen in LMK.

Tang recalls this event during the episode "Dumpling Destruction" if i remembrer correctly. He also mentions that he doesn't remember which demon Wukong fought during that time, meaning in LMK's version it most likely wasn't because of Red Son.

(Also this could just be because Tang is telling the story, but in the first image you can see Wukong in his usual attire, not the one he wears during the journey. He also doesn't have the circlet on, which, even if this is Tang's interpretation, Wukong should still have that but we'll come back to that later.)

So let's say this event occured because of a different demon, that than begs the question: when was the sealing of the Samadhi Fire?

If it was, let's say, shortly after the Guanyin thing that would mean Wukong meets DBK (and consequently PIF) before he and the pilgrims reach the Burning Mountain which technically should put him in the Bull Family's good graces, I'd argue. But in JTTW neither PIF nor DBK trust him during that time so i don't know if that would make sense.

But the whole Burning Mountain arc itself sort of wouldn't make sense in LMK because PIF and DBK's relationship is actually functional here so...

And Wukong is - yet again - not wearing the circlet during the sealing of the fire.

"Amnesia Rules" also doesn't make this any easier because during his amnesiac state Wukong doesn't question why there's no torture crown on his head...but he also confuses a stick with his staff so he was probably just out of it in general.

Then there's the matter of Macaque's death and the impriosonment of the Brotherhood.

I'm gonna say that after Macaque split from the Brotherhood he died around the same time as in JTTW (so after the Kingdom of Women arc).

After that should be the Burning Mountains thing but...again wouldn't make a lot of sense if that was after the Samadhi Fire thing so...eh.

Some time after Macaque died the Brotherhood should have gotten sealed away.

Which - and this might be a long shot - but maybe that's why Wukong looks so...stoic when he had to fight the Brotherhood. Because his best friend just died and now he has to deal with his other former friends who are working on taking him out...

(I know this isn't technically a flashback but it is how Azure remembers Wukong being like during their fight. Stoic, kinda emotionless in general...just not exactly giving off cheeky-mischievious-Monkey-King Vibes like in...almost every other fight except LBD (looks a lot like posessed Wukong tho))

Just an emotional rollercoaster all around, I suppose.

But then again, when fighting the Brotherhood he wears the circlet, so that obviously happened during the journey.

Which can't be said about the other stuff because he isn't wearing the circlet this is driving me nuts!

But the Samadhi Fire can't have happened after the journey because during "Amnesia Rules" Wukong already knows about the four rings while thinking they're still going to the western heaven so obviously that must have happened during the journey.

BUT THEN WHY ISN'T HE WEARING THE CIRCLET THEN BUT HE'S WEARING IT DURING AN EVENT THAT HAPPENS YEARS LATER??

Don't even get me started on the Xiangliu thing. In season 5 he says that him and Wukong are old enemies and according to JTTW that's true because Wukong fights the Nine Headed Beast because Xiangliu and his father in law are conspiring or something so yeah. Wukong should know the guy.

That...doesn't explain why Xiangliu called him an old friend as well or why Wukong doesn't remember him. But honestly not important right now because all that does is fuck up the timeline even more.

That should have happened after the Brotherhood got sealed away. I'd theorize, because I have some far fetched theories, but this is exhausting to think about.

I just want answers...please

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They are also really fucking old (about 3 to 5 million years), which makes them older than the Grand Canyon, Hawaii, the Great Barrier Reef and the Alps.

The smell of their urine also apparently strongly resembles the smell of cannabis.

Shoutout to the maned wolf, which is technically neither wolf nor fox but has its own genus called Chrysocyon! Why -

why are your legs so long?

I mean, intellectually, I understand that it’s because you live in grasslands and have evolved to be able to see over the grass, but emotionally… why? Are they?? Like that??? Surely there was a way to make your body more cohesive and proportional-looking?

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Okay who wants to brainstorm some theories for Xiangliu and also season 6 with me?

...because...I've already started.

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LMK Season 5

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So we all agree Sean Schemmel needs an award after that scene, right?

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MONKIE KID S5 SPOILERS

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BITCH WHEN I SAY I CHOCKED?!?

Also does...does that mean he finally acknowledges Wukong as one of his father figures...??🥺

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MONKIE KID SEASON 5 SPOILERS

Hello yes just wanted to point out how worried and protective Wukong and Macaque were for each other this season