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i love the trend of tumblr users making polls to settle a trivial little argument where they confidently assert how right they think they are and then the poll results overwhelmingly prove that they were wrong

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Prompt #636

Headmate A is aroallo, and Headmate B is alloace. Both are attracted to the same person, but are worried that the attraction they lack might be a deal-breaker for this person, so they decide to try to team up and "make up" for each other's lack of attraction by pretending to be a single, completely allo headmate.

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Person A: “I hate arrogant pricks like you, always strutting around acting like you’re better than us!”

Person B: “Oh believe me, there’s no acting necessary.”

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my therapist: so how are you doing today?

me:

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Person A: “Are you trying to pick a fight with me?”

Person B: “No dumbarse, I’m flirting with you! Have been for days!”

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"Any chance you'll turn against your leader and help me break out of here?"

"Nope."

"Rats."

"Has that ever actually worked for you before?"

"You'd be surprised."

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So, IT?

-Quill

Person A: “Something is seriously wrong with you.”

Person B: “Of course, people in my line of work aren’t exactly known for being well adjusted.”

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dark and brooding guy with horrible regrets yells "I HAVE BLOOD ON MY HANDS!" in a moment of vulnerability but theres a cutaway transition where hes at a state fair eating a banana and he throws the peel over his shoulder and the tilt-a-whirl operator slips on it causing him to fall on the controls and shift it into a skull and crossbones setting called OVERDRIVE and the tilt-a-whirl spins so fast it lifts off the ground and carries the people away screaming

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space lint

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@ corporations, stop using TTS "testimonies"

You are defeating the purpose

Of a testimony

And it makes me unreasonably annoyed

-Quill

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I do want to clarify I don't think the TOSD is inherently a sysmed thing– I just see it regurgitated a lot in sysmedicalist spaces. That's why I said I didn't want that to be part of the discussion, because my personal experience has been seeing the TOSD taken very literally and weaponized against other systems. It being associated with how disordered systems develop has made some people use it as proof that only disordered systems can. I mentioned it in another rb but I'll say it here too, I'm not sure if it's just because of the unpleasant places I've ended up in or if it's commonplace and I won't pretend to know. I didn't mean for it to come across as me saying the TOSD is exclusive to sysmeds or a sysmed ideology in and of itself.

The explanation I'm most familiar with of the TOSD is this very vague simplification of these mysterious ego states you have as a child with no real clarification as to what they are or why they seem to be unique (using those terms, at the very least) to the TOSD itself. It always felt like this island that split off from other understandings of child development and didn't care much for other schools of thought– the griffin system helped clarify that a lot. I was never aware of anyone contributing to it or any related theories other than Onno Van Der Hart and his two coworkers I can't remember the names of, so his background didn't lend it much legitimacy (to someone thinking only those people were involved.) I think so far it's been bad explanations from nasty people making me very disinterested in the TOSD as a whole rather than remembering that any theory can be twisted to harm people if you try hard enough.

Again, I appreciate the people that decided to bear with me on this. Getting so many resources and information drops has been very overwhelming but I'll try to get into them when I have the mental capacity to do so.

As a side note, what is the right word to use in the first place? "Theorists" sounded redundant and "believers" felt like I was a flat earther or something talking about ~globe believers~ which is actually part of why I used the word fandom instead since like I mentioned somewhere else since the "Christ fandom" is a frequent substitute for Christianity in my vocabulary and I thought it would hold a similar energy, which it very clearly did not.

-Rev

Okay TOSD(theory of structural dissociation) fandom, I have a question:

So according to the TOSD before the age of what, 8-9 or something you're made up of these ego states that then integrate if you're a singlet and if you experience extreme trauma don't.

What are the ego states? How many are they? What happens to them? Can you tell me who in your system developed from what ego state? Is the hungry ego state just always hungry? Do they become the sin of gluttony or something? I genuinely want to know because not only can I find nothing about these ego states other than specific references to the TOSD, I have never heard anyone mention how many ego states you have and what they are. The most popularized version of ego states I could find applied to everyone, and was about adult/child and I think a third, as well as Freud's ego states.

As much as this does genuinely baffle me I know it'll be more useful to have a respectful conversation about it so I will try not to be too sarcastic. This isn't the right place for sysmed shit or talking about why Onno van der Hart lost his license, trust me we are aware of all that but that isn't the purpose of this post so please save it for another place and another time.

-Rev

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Calling it a stepping stone is definitely more helpful in understanding its usefulness– pretty much every case I've seen of the TOSD being referenced is people taking it as gospel and even borderline weaponizing it. That's where the bad association comes from for me. In a lot of conversations DID, OSDD and plurality get lumped together, especially since some people seem to forget that plurality exists in forms other than DID at all. That's definitely one of the reasons I tend to throw out the idea of those diagnoses as useful in discussion. It's definitely an issue that the TOSD is overemphasized and seen as perfect by what feels like a disproportionate amount of people (but might just be a loud minority) in some plural spaces.

Thanks for bearing with me. I've never seen anyone that sees value in the TOSD look at it with any form of criticism. I can't say if that's because of the spaces I've had the displeasure of being in or if it's how most people genuinely are. Either way, it's definitely refreshing to see a different perspective where I was expecting things to be a lot more polarized. I think I might have started with the same level of hostility that I expected rather than coming into the conversation with the level I wanted it to have.

-Rev

Okay TOSD(theory of structural dissociation) fandom, I have a question:

So according to the TOSD before the age of what, 8-9 or something you're made up of these ego states that then integrate if you're a singlet and if you experience extreme trauma don't.

What are the ego states? How many are they? What happens to them? Can you tell me who in your system developed from what ego state? Is the hungry ego state just always hungry? Do they become the sin of gluttony or something? I genuinely want to know because not only can I find nothing about these ego states other than specific references to the TOSD, I have never heard anyone mention how many ego states you have and what they are. The most popularized version of ego states I could find applied to everyone, and was about adult/child and I think a third, as well as Freud's ego states.

As much as this does genuinely baffle me I know it'll be more useful to have a respectful conversation about it so I will try not to be too sarcastic. This isn't the right place for sysmed shit or talking about why Onno van der Hart lost his license, trust me we are aware of all that but that isn't the purpose of this post so please save it for another place and another time.

-Rev

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We have ADHD so it might take like, several days to get through all the links from this and the other replies I haven't even looked at yet

I'm in the middle of the paper cited in the first link you sent me atm, already pretty confused about the difference between child ego states and EPs and ANPs as well as which ones are what- not to mention getting into emotional systems, which I'm not really getting a clear picture of what they are. As of right now I'm at the first table used in it(Structural Dissociation of the Personality.)

I do get your point about me calling TOSD theorists(?? believers?) a fandom being offensive and I'm not going to say it's not since I see how it can be. I do also refer to Christianity as the "Christ fandom" so it's not specific to the TOSD– it was meant to be more lighthearted than anything. As for the "sysmed shit", I wasn't using that to reference the TOSD as a whole. I've just noticed that a lot of people that reference the TOSD are sysmeds/exclusionists and it's often used as a reason to fakeclaim non-traumagenic systems so I wanted to clarify that's not something I wanted to involve in the discussion. (If you don't know what sysmeds are, that's probably for the best. It's just a bunch of pointless infighting.)

I think one of our reservations regarding the TOSD overall is that it references ego states integrating as children, but they aren't really mentioned in anything I've seen about child development. Links/resources are definitely appreciated(though again, they'll take a while to get through) since keywords are hard and the algorithm can be a bitch when it comes to giving certain links priority.

Since I personally see getting to know systems individually as more valuable than understanding diagnoses themselves, that definitely does leave me undereducated when it comes to DID and OSDD versus systems without either diagnosis. We're diagnosed with plain OSDD(not 1a or 1b,) which is basically the equivalent of "well... you dissociate."

I apologize for coming across a bit rude/hostile, the TOSD comes with a lot of negative association for us since it often correlates with other.. unpleasant traits and conversations, which isn't exactly fair to project onto everyone involved. I kind of tacked onto the end of the post that I want a respectful/amicable discussion but never went back to remove any of the snark at the beginning.

-Rev

Okay TOSD(theory of structural dissociation) fandom, I have a question:

So according to the TOSD before the age of what, 8-9 or something you're made up of these ego states that then integrate if you're a singlet and if you experience extreme trauma don't.

What are the ego states? How many are they? What happens to them? Can you tell me who in your system developed from what ego state? Is the hungry ego state just always hungry? Do they become the sin of gluttony or something? I genuinely want to know because not only can I find nothing about these ego states other than specific references to the TOSD, I have never heard anyone mention how many ego states you have and what they are. The most popularized version of ego states I could find applied to everyone, and was about adult/child and I think a third, as well as Freud's ego states.

As much as this does genuinely baffle me I know it'll be more useful to have a respectful conversation about it so I will try not to be too sarcastic. This isn't the right place for sysmed shit or talking about why Onno van der Hart lost his license, trust me we are aware of all that but that isn't the purpose of this post so please save it for another place and another time.

-Rev

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⏳Time Is Always Ticking⏳

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Okay TOSD(theory of structural dissociation) fandom, I have a question:

So according to the TOSD before the age of what, 8-9 or something you're made up of these ego states that then integrate if you're a singlet and if you experience extreme trauma don't.

What are the ego states? How many are they? What happens to them? Can you tell me who in your system developed from what ego state? Is the hungry ego state just always hungry? Do they become the sin of gluttony or something? I genuinely want to know because not only can I find nothing about these ego states other than specific references to the TOSD, I have never heard anyone mention how many ego states you have and what they are. The most popularized version of ego states I could find applied to everyone, and was about adult/child and I think a third, as well as Freud's ego states.

As much as this does genuinely baffle me I know it'll be more useful to have a respectful conversation about it so I will try not to be too sarcastic. This isn't the right place for sysmed shit or talking about why Onno van der Hart lost his license, trust me we are aware of all that but that isn't the purpose of this post so please save it for another place and another time.

-Rev

Edit: I apologize for coming across as rude/hostile, the TOSD comes with a lot of negative association for us since it often correlates with other.. unpleasant traits and conversations, which isn't exactly fair to project onto everyone involved. I kind of tacked onto the end of the post that I want a respectful/amicable discussion but never went back to remove any of the snark at the beginning. I'm leaving it as is just for transparency's sake so nobody is wondering what the hell the reblogs are talking about.

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quiet storm

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evil scott evil scott evil scott this is evil scott properganda (with bonus aimseys and owens) (this is area unknown scott btw please look at him)