#young Justice 1998

[mantimae]

Larger than life, brighter than night.

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// f slur use (non derogatory?)

Kon's jacket!! the fuckin guy ever dude

close up of these freaks also bc i love them

and here is it without its pizazz or fun

[y0-yo-yo]

Anything you'd like to share with the class Timothy 🤨

(from young justice 1998 issue 1)

[ohmygodshesinsane]

this is an insane thing to say

[professoruber]

Thoughts regarding the Spoiler vs Secret fight… (Young Justice 1998 #30)

So been reading the original Young Justice recently, been really great and I really like the characters. But just wanted to pause and take a moment to talk about this issue, namely the fight between Spoiler and Secret.

While the conclusion does frame it as more of a mutual fight, with both Steph and Greta being sat down and lectured by Robin and Red Tornado, I honestly found myself siding more so with Steph.

Perhaps I am biased somewhat, since Steph is a character I enjoy and I read Batgirl 2009 prior to this, and also because Greta's "befriending" Darkseid in the issue before this kinda casts a negative light on her actions. But I also really like Greta, and as I mentioned, this directly coming off her interaction with Darkseid does explain her acting more hostile than normal.

As for why exactly I sided more-so with Steph (based primarily off the events of this issue, I will admit I am not wholly familiar with all the comics). I will note that Steph did technically strike first, but I think Greta was the one pushing the fight forward.

However, even if Steph was the one to throw the first kick, Greta doesn't really do herself any favours with her role in this.

Because while Steph might have resorted to violence first, Greta was still the one who entered Steph's bedroom and revealed herself in a very threatening manner. Attacking someone who just aggressively broke into your bed room is, I think, pretty understandable.

Especially since Steph does not know Greta, she only knows of her. They've never met.

Also, even the kick itself can be argued to be self-defence. After all, Steph was confronted by a dangerous and hostile stranger in her own home, and her immediate next action after the kick is to flee out the window (only to be subsequently pursued).

Granted, Steph does also say the kick is in retribution for reading her diary. But I don’t think that changes that Steph had legitimate reasons to feel threatened, and keeps trying to escape following this.

Greta is the one who pursues Steph and continued the fight. Instead of just leaving. Given that Greta is a trespasser and a stranger, I think Steph had every right to feel threatened.

Apart from that first kick, Steph is largely on the defensive. Not once in this fight does Steph ever pursue or seek out Greta, instead it is Greta who is shown continuing to chase Steph.

The worst thing Steph does is using the electricity lines against Greta.

But I think this is somewhat mitigated by...

The only reason Greta flew into the cut cables was due to her pursuing Steph

Greta is clearly made of mist, and so it seems reasonable for Steph to assume she's not easy to kill (and she was correct)

Steph's stated intention was "buying a few second"

Steph was shocked at Greta apparently blowing up (while "Robin is going to kill me" is one of her reactions, she has barely any time to process this or what she apparently did before Greta reveals herself not exploded)

Electricity is something understandably traumatic for Suzie, which makes her increased/continued aggression more understandable, but Steph had no way of knowing any of that.

Most of the attacks Steph has made against Greta throughout this fight appears to be towards the goal of escape. She kicked Greta, and then leapt from the window. She zapped Greta, by outright said she was only trying to buy herself a few seconds.

Beating Greta never seems to be the goal for Steph, escaping is. Also Greta's "he's going to have to stand in line" would only give Steph more reason to fear for her life, apart from how outmatched she is.

Greta is never in danger here, she could leave at anytime, and if she has concerns about Steph invading Robin's privacy... then the correct thing to do would be to talk to Robin about it. Greta is the one who keeps pushing for this fight to continue, while Steph is just trying to get away.

Steph's the one dealing with an actual threat, someone with superpowers who clearly outmatches her and invaded her home and continues to pursue her. From Steph's perspective, she's fighting/fleeing for her life.

Which is why I think it was kinda "eh" that they both got equally lectured in the end. Not gonna to hold it against her, because chatting with Darkseid and getting advice from him would mess up a lot of people, but still.

Another reason why I kinda sympathise with Steph more, is that I find her frustration with Tim's secrecy pretty understandable. It kinda is unequal for him to know everything about her, while she does not even know his real name.

Although it is also arguable that Steph should just break up with him rather than push this boundary. So Steph isn't blameless, even if what Greta did was extremely disproportionate and needless escalation.

On the other hand though, the topic of power imbalance is also quite applicable to the Spoiler vs Secret fight. As noted, there was literally nothing Steph was able to do to actually harm Greta. So Greta was able to enter Steph's home, know her identity, and there was nothing which Steph could do about it, because the moment she did do something it turned into a fight she could not win.

I think that might be one of the main reasons why I thought Steph got an unfair deal from all this...

Because Steph was the one who clearly had less power and agency in this situation. Greta was the one making most of the choices, and could have ended the fight anytime, while Steph could not.

For final point...

As I mentioned before, this fight with Steph comes just about immediately after her "befriending" Darkseid and getting a pep talk from him. This is something Tim himself is a aware of...

So, maybe, just maybe, this all should've been seen as a bit of a bigger red flag. Just saying.

[roppiepop]

Typical role dustribution

[abisalli]

I bet wearing spandex in summer is no fun

Bonus: summer suits!?

[incorrectbatfamandfriends]

Bart: So your half Superman-half Lex Luther right?

Kon, grumbling: yes.

Bart: Does that mean you’re genetically predisposed to loosing your hair?

Kon:

Bart:

*4 hours Later*

Kon: What do you mean you don’t know how he lost his hair?

Tim: I mean I’ve been through 20 years of articles and none of them mention it. There’s like a five year gap between the last picture of him with hair and his first appearance bald.

Kon: Tim, you’re one of the world’s greatest detectives, I need you to find out how he lost his hair.

Tim: Why does it-

Kon: I can’t be bald, Tim!

Tim:

Tim: You could call and ask-

Kon: I’d rather go bald, thanks.

[valrixian]

The Superboys🤔

[clingonlikeclingwrap]

YJ98 as shit my friends and I have said pt. 1

Pt. 2 / Pt. 3 / Pt. 4 / Pt. 5 / Pt. 6

[wobubling]

Tim drake outed as #1 nightwing fan

Text transcript:

Bart: Hey, Kon, doesn’t that guy remind you of Robin?

Kon: No way! Robin would never do something as geeky as wearing superhero merch! And aren’t him and Nightwing like siblings anyways?

[yjcorefourenjoyer]

*Jason walks into the living room to see Tim flopped on the couch sniffing*

Jason: “Oh. my. gosh. What could you possibly be crying about now?”

Tim *looks up and sniffles*: “I miss the supercycle… you know, my beloved sentient vehicle who used to fly me and young justice around… ”

Jason:

“THE WHO-”

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my special little guys!!!!!

[nightskywrites]

“save young justice!” “bring young justice back for season 5!” NO. give me a comic accurate young justice show. i want punk conner kent. i want robin breaking into government facilities and coming up with ridiculous aliases. i want bart to adopt the super cycle and annoy red tornado into reactivating. where is the tiny clone of lobo or team leader wonder girl. let me see them play baseball for the fate of the planet and illegally invade a country full of supervillains and also kill santa.

[lesansnom]

I'm frustrated that there's no more young justice so I made my own one-shot :)

[miiuxue]

the rumor