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[delisae]

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[aizenat]

I honestly am really done (for now) of caring about other groups of ppl who show time and time again they don’t care about me/us. White women voted for Trump in majority. Latinos voted for him in majority. Other groups; fucking indigenous Americans voted for Trump in overwhelming majority like he wasn’t literally trying to rip land from yall for a pipeline the last time he was in office!

Even black men voted for Kamala in higher numbers than these ppl. More than Latinos (of any gender). More than Asians and other races. The group of men telling women to “be their peace,” telling women to be submissive, and talking about how western (American) women aren’t “feminine” enough so they’re going overseas to find a submissive wife STILL showed up in higher droves to vote for Kamala than the rest of yall hoes.

Like white women especially, let this be the lesson on why Black women tend to side with Black men over yall all the time: because we can count on THEM to stand by us a hell of a lot more than we can YOU. White women are NOT Black women’s sisters. Yall made that loud and clear this year. Every last one of yall.

And in the aftermath, do I see white women coming together to say “what are we doing? We need to do better” and discussing how to organize and be better in the future? Nope. Instead I’m seeing tedious diatribes about how white women just couldn’t help but vote for Trump because they’re indoctrinated with fundamentalist white nationalist propaganda their entire lives, meaning they’re coerced and shouldn’t be held responsible for their voting choices as grown adults 🥺.

Yall don’t support us, so I’m done supporting yall. Immigrants who get deported: sorry for your luck. Sorry natives, but I will be cooking and celebrating thanksgiving this year. Asian girlies, since yall love talking about our pussies so much, I’ll be quiet and not correct creeps who fetishize and tokenize yall. Also, hope you can get into some good PWIs since ivy leagues are starting to be off the table after yall fought so hard to overturn affirmative action. Latinos who were white in their home countries and think voting for trump will make them magically white in America, hope white ppl care about your green cards when they’re chasing your children off their lawn with a gun because they don’t want your children playing with their pure white babies. I’m sure if you flash that, that’ll make them come around, right? White gays? Yall could have beaten the queerios by just being more vocal on your disapproval and finding solidarity and community with the rest of us over them too. You didn’t have to vote for the fascist. I guess it’s fine if you never wanted to get married or have kids, because that’s going to get reversed and we won’t be able to adopt or anything now. So thanks for that.

Yall gonna find out. Black people been here before so we’ll make it through. The rest of yall? Good fucking luck. And don’t look for us for help or assistance the next four years. We ain’t marching for or with yall. We ain’t lobbying for or with yall. We’re not organizing with yall. Get fucking bent.

Yall did it. Yall finally killed my faith in humanity. If you ain’t black, specifically a black WOMAN, especially BLACK LESBIANS, I don’t want to talk to you. I don’t want to know you. If it ain’t business, keep it hella moving. Fix your own communities and get yall asses together. And until then, stay the fuck away from me and leave me and mines alone. Yall sit in this mess yall created. Black people—BLACK WOMEN—are beyond done trying to fix shit just for you to undermine us at every opportunity. FUCK OFF.

It’s y’all’s season: leave Black women alone and suffer in the new hell yall created.

[thetimekeepers]

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queer stuff we support ALL contradictory labels, including mspec lesbians and gays, lesboys and gaygirls, aspec people, nondysphoric trans people, multigender people, etc etc. i am anti-exclusion and anti-transmed. i support bodily autonomy and safe body modification unconditionally. i am pro-kink.

shipcourse i guess i'm technically profiction but i stay away from darkship content, as it makes me uncomfortable. fiction can be a helpful tool in processing trauma. writing/drawing content including dark topics is not inherently bad, in fact it can be good for healing trauma. however, fetishizing topics such as csem, abuse, and bestiality can only be harmful.

syscourse most plurality can be explained neurologically, but not all plurality is traumagenic. human consciousness is unexplained scientifically. perhaps you just have multiple people in one body with no particular cause. until there is more in-depth research into DID and plurality, i will not exclude any kind of system. i guess we're a pro-endo sysmed? idk. with that said, system hopping does not and cannot exist. leave body-swapping in science fiction.

paraphilic disorders we avoid paraphilia discourse, but technically we could be called pro-para. HOWEVER, para communities often devlove into anti-recovery pro-contact abusive echo chambers that endanger children. if you have a paraphilic disorder, acknowledge it's an illness, and work towards bettering yourself, you're fine. if you are pro-contact or if you engage in paraphilia communities, DNI. animals, children, and corpses cannot consent.

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I’ll preface this by saying I’m not attractive enough to be able to have more than a single partner at once, but there is a reason for that, and really, the thesis of this wall of text below: heteronormative relationship standards in every culture have always been, and will continue to always be, more about possession than love in a post-imperialistic world.

Personally, I’m a huge proponent of engendered sexuality variance to the tone of males have a constant slow drip of libido and a female’s sex drive hits them like a freight train once a month (in mammalian bioepigenetics, this makes sense). I’m inclined to infer, because I’m not idyllically normatively attractive, only a fraction of a percentage of women will be attracted to me 24-27 days of any given month. As a cisgendered man who is regrettably straight, having the least attractive genoethnic identity intersection (South Asian Muslim) in Western culture, I’m never actually presented with the choices to act on a poly mindset (in fact, I would be ridiculed for it because people think it aligns with some other gross tribal stereotype when it couldn’t be further from the truth). In retrospect, I have everything to gain from interpreting the main benefit of an intimate relationship as ownership like heteronormative culture generally does yet I still think disavowing poly as a legitimate personal choice is immoral.

I know saying monogamous relationships are more about possession than love will offend lots of people, so before you throw hate at me for your emotionally defensive skepticism, hear me out. An unflinching, unyielding love is seen as the highest parameter in any type of romance. So why is it cheating is so much of a bigger problem than a dry spell specifically? Is it because it’s legitimately a breach of trust, or is it more about “if I can’t have you, no one can”? More importantly, does it go a step further and say “if I don’t want you, no one should”? To me, any sort of dry spell (whether physically, emotionally, mentally) signifies a much larger breach of trust than simply having been shared because it shows said commitment in the relationship was not unflinching, not unyielding. The monogamous lens looks at others like: I want to have the best partner, not just so that I’m happy, but no one else can receive the specific happiness I get. Doesn’t that whole mindset come off as brutish? Just me? Well, maybe your pitchforks will start coming down when you realize monogamy is a function of toxic patriarchy on both feminine and masculine ends.

There are bioevolutionary reasons for toxic femininity to value the possession aspect of a relationship over its substantive “quality of life” components, the birth-giving gender in any animalistic specie always had to be beheld to a provider they reproduce with. Does it not then represent a sense of feminine fragility when a single mother immediately demands a long-term relationship and nothing else? If I’m to believe said woman is capable of genuine lust in her system, having a child shouldn’t evaporate all carnal desires completely and, therefore, should leave room for compromise. Said stance also indicates she made some sort of error in judgment of her chosen reproductive mate and feels entitled another man ought remedy her strife even though, evolutionarily speaking, he has nothing to gain from helping to rear offspring not of his kin. Harsh, to be sure, but it does show in the obnoxiousness of the connotation of becoming a stepdad being a positive one and becoming a stepmom assumes the motivation of some gain in status (wealth, fame, power, etc.) which I would argue is negative. Where does toxic masculinity come into play? Desire for possession on the part of a male promotes the viability and exclusivity of his own children with his most desirable partner. While that’s damn near nowhere as compelling, it has to be stated because there are always two benefactors to patriarchy. Patriarchy is not a zero sum game, patriarchy seeks to concentrate all familial social benefits in the monogamously-driven, heteronormative genus, away from those who deviate from the ideal picture of stereotypical gender roles. The ill effects of patriarchal standards exist in every human civilization, but the ontological root to the specific brand of patriarchy that oppresses all genders today was spread by a culture that uniquely preached monogamy.

Polygamy, in a historical sense, was a testament to the more status a person of the provider gender could achieve, the more their genetics would proliferate. Many cultures globally practiced this, the issue is, the ones that didn’t were the ones who, often violently, “conquered” the ones that did. Christian fundamentalism is in every fiber of international morality, whether the nation in question believes in Christianity or not is often irrelevant. Monogamy is enforced, anything outside of that is deemed as necessarily being deviant (whether choosing to be alone or choosing more connections than a monocule). Fetishization of the step relation is eluding to this deviance in a not-so-subtle way because it’s something where its allure is derived from its forbiddenness moreso than its convenience, every one of these scenarios has a subtext of implicit gain, not loss, in engagement. Meaning, the idea is planted because a hot person is there not because a person in general is there and can satiate an urge. Tl;dr - we believe polyamory is a morally negative act because the Holy Roman Empire did and every nation that spawned from it spread, imparted, and coerced that ideal on every culture it came into contact with. Before the Holy Roman Empire, no historical documents made distinctions to behest multiple lovers as desanctifying of life itself, not even the coalescing of nations that made up the Holy Roman Empire before its inception.

We are now in an era when women have access to full reproductive control, yet we still see men lust more than women, e.g. archetypal lesbian tendencies versus archetypal gay male tendencies. Do we not question why this is the case? All lifeforms are hardwired with a desire to survive and reproduce, so why does that drive not reach equity when risk does? There are two answers, and it could even be both: women are only socially conditioned to have sex via patriarchal pressures and don’t have as much inherent desire to reproduce OR sex is a means-to-an-end to exclusively possess a desired provider, whatever said person provides. If said person has a trait valuable enough to want to possess, is it not self-contrived to keep that quality to oneself, not share it with the world where it can provide more utility? Heteronormative relationships, in a sense, are anti-altruistic at their very core. As facetious as this sounds, either of these trains of thought are validated by men being more willing to engage in polyamory than women, not because men are somehow any less loyal than women. On its own, I feel this line of reasoning is enough to justify a vehement disgust of polyamory as immoral, but I want to conclude on the most pivotal facet to this conversation and not just heavily imply monogamy encroachment on moral turpitude is problematic at best.

As I mentioned a few times, I am likely to be a spoke on a polycule, not a member with multiple connections. Exclusive possession is something I probably stand more to gain from than any woman, logically and realistically, given the current social climate and general global beauty standards. My advocacy of polyamory stems from me accepting I may not be enough to be the full extent of happiness my romantic interest desires. That doesn’t even come from a place of insecurity, it comes from a place knowing I could never be perfect even if its pursuit is a righteous cause. I see real insecurity as a fear of loss when the rules of engagement you put into place were exclusivity: you don’t want your partner looking at anyone else because it’s disadvantageous to you, meaning you’re not fixated on their best interest and looking at relationships in said manner is deliberately selfish. To me, the best frame of reference to morality in interpersonal social connections is altruism. Yeah, self-love is important and knowing your own boundaries is beneficial but everyone else’s boundaries don’t have to match yours. I’m not anti-monogamist, really. I’m more anti-polyamorist discontent.

Not having thought this deeply isn’t an excuse, either.

[maoist-mizer]

I think you completely misunderstand the concept of fetishization. Because 1) fetishization is more than just a wrongly said statement, it's a pattern in behavior. Like, for example, someone dating one Asian person or writing a thirst tweet about some Asian celebrity wouldn’t be fetishization but person dating exclusively Asian people, referring to them as 'exotic', having some romanticized idea of what Asian people are like, etc. could be considered as fetishizing them and 2) lesbians can't fetishise mlm intentionally OR unintentionally . Fetishization often involves personal sexual gratification for the fetishiser and lesbians aren't interested in men of any kind, much less their sex lives.

Please learn more about fetishization and what it actually is before you make posts concerning it. This isn't meant to be an attack in any way, btw.

Okay so let’s unpack this

(1) I never said it was a “wrongly said statement”, I know it’s a pattern of behaviour as I’ve frequently been on the receiving end of people that fetishise biracial people. Dw I get it, it’s a whole ass gross mess.

(2) yes lesbians can in fact fetishise mlm. And also ace people as well. Fetishisation isn’t exclusively about wanting to have sex with the person being fetishised. If I’m taking me for example, going back to my example of biracial fetishisation, it’s not the fact that people want to have sex with biracial people, that may be true in some cases but not all. It also can be the fact that they are obsessed with them and want to either be biracial themselves since they think it’s eXotiC or whatever or have biracial children of their own. So not necessarily wanting to have sex with them is the default. Fetishisation is about irrational obsession.

Similarly, in the case of mlm fetishisation, it isn’t just exclusively people wanting to have sex with them. Quite frankly, you can see it with how some ppl are like (apologies for the incoming cringe) oMg lOok aT my gAyBies tHey’re sO Uwu Cute SoFt toGeTher ciNnamoN roLLs teeHee.... 🤮 so it’s not necessarily sexual attraction, it’s obsession because they’ve cultivated in their minds a warped idea of what a mlm couple looks like. There are varying reasons why an individual grows an obsession for someone and it doesn’t always necessarily have to be because they want to fuck them.

You can go ahead and say that lesbians or ace people can’t fetishise mlm no matter what, but that doesn’t change the fact that you can find plenty of examples of lesbians and ace people acting in the same way any other mlm fetishiser would towards mlm. It’s idiotic to think they can tick all the boxes for acting like a mlm fetishiser, but just because they’re not wanting to have sex with them it cannot be fetishisation. Make it make sense. So call it whatever you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’ve seen it happen plenty, and I’m sure I’m not imagining it. You see it in the way how some mlm couples are drawn, written, etc. One always super uwu feminine and submission and one very Buff™️ masculine and dominant. To me, this sounds a whole lot like trying to reimagine stereotypical straight relationships through mlm couples but that’s a lot to unpack and I’m sure there’s some psychological stuff that goes into play with that. And also, almost always exclusively the mlm is white, but that’s a discussion for another time.

Overall, it’s not the idea that all fetishisers are sexually attracted to mlm, they may also just be obsessed with the idea of them. They like the dynamic they’ve created in their mind. I’m sure there’s more to it psychologically than just sex. Regardless, it’s fucking gross, I’m sure we can all agree. But anyways, back to my main point. Fetishisation isn’t necessarily linked to wanting to have sex with x group that is being obsessed over. Which is why it’s possible to see in some instances of where mlm have been fetishised by lesbians or even ace people.

Anyways, that’s all I’m gonna say on this matter because I’m tired. If you don’t agree, there’s nothing I can do about that. I just don’t like fetishisers and I hope they all have a shitty day. Thanks for the ask, I guess? ahsdjkdkdka

[reallyverynormal]

hey im a proshipper, but i have a friend who isnt either proship or anti. she wants to know more about the anti side of things, if you dont mind could you tell me why you are anti ship? and why you believe others should be? i wanna let her make this decision on her own, but idk how anti shippers think and i cant find informational posts on it

this ended up getting kind of long so i’m just going to put it under a readmore but basically anti shippers are people who say this: don’t fetishize minorities, abuse and abuse survivors and also don’t write paedophilic porn and act like that’s a normal thing for cishet women to get off to.

-don’t fetishize abuse and act like it’s hot or cute. by that i mean don’t take a character that is canonically abusive to another character and write some romanticized tortured love story about it, or act like victims have to or can forgive their abusers for abusing them (not saying they can’t, but perpetuating the idea that they can/have to is bad, actually). just fucking don’t -don’t fetishize paedophilia and act like it’s hot or cute. by that i mean don’t write porn of children, don’t write porn of ‘aged up’ children, don’t write porn of adults raping/being in sexual contact with children and act like it’s hot or cute or something normal to get off to -don’t dehumanize gay men, lesbians, trans people--basically the entire LGBT community--by fetishizing them, calling porn of us “sin”, only writing smut fics about us and nothing else, trying to constantly find ways to ship two men in every piece of media, hate literally any female character that could potentially be a love interest just because she gets in the way of your ship. don’t fucking fetishize us, actually! -don’t act like rape/sexual abuse/sexual assault is hot. period. -also don’t write porn about real life fuckin people without their permission, especially, in the cases of people like dan and phil, when they are very clearly deeply uncomfortable with it and the abuse/harassment they have received from this, (tomska and tord from the eddsworld team and 1direction as a whole are also good examples of this shit affecting real life people).

and by these things, i don’t mean that you can’t write about these subjects ever or portray characters involving some of these subjects ever, i’m saying don’t fetishize them. don’t act like fiction doesn’t affect reality, because it does, (look up the jaws affect, as a huge example), and don’t act like you are above the law, because even the law (in the US and canada, at least), can and will punish you for drawing and writing porn about children. 

fetishizing minorities is, you guessed it, dehumanizing and wrong! black people, asian people and the LGBT community especially get this kind of treatment, and if you go around agreeing with the black and asian people who are talking about the fetishization of their races by white people, and you don’t agree with actual LGBT people talking about the fetishization of their gender/sexuality, you’re a fucking hypocrite*. fetishizing any fucking minority is bad, even in fiction.

note that there is also a difference between LGBT people going out of their way to ship two characters together in a queer/gay/etc ship and a cishet girl going out of their way to constantly ship two men together in every piece of media no matter what, especially if those two characters are white/light-skinned, skinny, conventionally attractive cis men. in the case of LGBT people, we’re doing it to create the representation we don’t get in media. for a cishet girl to go out of their way to ship two men in every fandom they join is just fetishization and it’s dehumanizing because we are not your fetish, we are not here to entertain you, we have lives to live outside of entertaining you and getting you off and often times we have spent years trying to get out of circles where people only see us as sex objects. fuck off. 

fetishizing people’s abuse and turning something horrific into something you can get off to is also extremely shitty and spits in the faces of actual abuse survivors because you’re acting like it’s cute, hot, something to get off to when we’ve often spent years trying to forget what’s happened to us. when we’re still going through this every fuckin day. when people have killed themselves because of the abuse that we’ve gone through. when you do this, you act like what we went through is just something for you to get off to when it is often so bad we are left permanently scarred, our consciousnesses permanently broken, struggling with life-long mental health issues directly caused by the abuse we went through. that is not your fucking fetish.

again--i’m not saying you can’t write about these subjects, i’m saying don’t fetishize them, i.e. don’t act like any of these things can be a good thing, don’t write them like they’re something to get off to, don’t write them like they’re something to strive for or can be in any way, shape or form healthy. write them as they are: horrific, scarring, mentally and physically draining, terrifying, and nightmare-inducing. do not portray these things in a positive light is all we are fucking asking.

inb4 “so we’re not allowed to write characters who think their abuse is good???” or some bullshit like that, no, that’s not what i’m saying. you can write a character who has an extremely complicated relationship with their abuse, for example being sexually abused from childhood and “liking” it because that’s how they were trained to respond to sexual situations, that’s how they were introduced to sex and their body responds to sexually violent situations by being aroused, even if the person doesn’t want to be because biology =/= consent, and that’s how sexual trauma works, albeit not for everyone, but for some people like me. you can write about a character that struggles with “liking” their trauma because sexual violence and being a victim of it is what feels safe, “normal” and familiar to them, while healthy sex is foreign and terrifying because they don’t know how to behave in a healthy sexual environment. that is a normal thing to write about and should, in fact, be written about more because i don’t see anything like that being written by anyone anywhere, and is, in my opinion, FAR more interesting than forcefully writing a character to be in love with their abuser and entirely romanticizing their abusive relationship, (that isn’t to say that you can’t write a character that’s in love with their abuser and wants to forgive them/make it work/ignores the abuse/doesn’t know it’s abuse/etc, just stop acting like their relationship is in any way healthy or something to strive for or cute/hot/etc, just don’t fucking romanticize the abuse they’re going through, portray it as a bad thing because that’s what it is--a bad thing).

that’s the anti-shipper argument: don’t fetishize people, don’t fetishize (sexual) abuse, don’t fetishize (sexual) abuse survivors, and don’t fetishize paedophilia.

it’s pretty simple once you break it down, but i hope my relatively detailed explanation shows you why you’re an asshole, and i desperately hope your friend doesn’t turn out to be like you in this regard :)

*i’m a white person, so if any POC finds this statement racist or offensive or knows of a better way to word it, feel free to let me know and i’ll delete it/change it/etc

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[marissabrameyer]

5/24 Pop Culture

I have a ton of thoughts on this! This: https://www.tiktok.com/@andrew.callaghan/video/7056525255120014639?lang=en is a tik tok/youtube video that got huge last year. It sparked a tik tok trend and speaks exactly to what we're talking about today, the objectification of Latina women. Context surrounding the video, Andrew Callaghan is an independent reporter/journalist who creates videos on Youtube and Patreon under the handle Channel 5 News (formerly, All Gas No Brakes). Andrew has been lauded for doing some incredible work with documenting the BLM protests in 2020, the Chauvin trial verdict, the January 6th riots, etc. The work he has done is incredible. He really captures what it felt like in those moments. However, he also platforms the most insane right-wing takes ever. He is very clearly against these types of beliefs, but nonetheless provides a platform for them. And if there's one thing that is true about art, it is that the creator loses control of the art the moment it enters the public sphere. So oftentimes Andrew's long-form interviews, which were done in good faith, will get clipped and take on a life and trend of their own. This happened with the above tik tok and it gets at something that I've been feeling recently. I feel like fetishization is now being disguised as acceptance. This language is going to be awkward but I'm not sure how else to write it, but as it has become more acceptable to date outside of your race, I think many white people have done so and have seen themselves as a white savior. We saw this with enlisted men marrying East and South Asian women during the Vietnam war. We see this with the fetishization of Filipina women. We see this with the fetishization of kpop artists. And while there has long been a white savior complex in American men, I think the important distinction is that while I was growing up I heard J.Lo called exotic and different in derogatory ways. Now, I feel like people will objectify non-white women and try to disguise it as acceptance and being woke. As if being a misogynist to a larger array of women makes you progressive.

I most recently butted up against the fetishization of specifically Latina women in Chris DiStefano's new Netflix special "Speshy Weshy" I turned the special off after about ten minutes when he spent those first ten minutes of the show talking about how he (a white man) was now Puerto Rican because his wife and children are Puerto Rican. He kept going on about how he was a proud Puerto Rican man and blah blah blah. The vibe was that he objectified his wife. By marrying her, he now had access to this new world of cultural experiences that he felt entitled to.

I thought the readings paired well with each other. I didn't know a lot about Frida Kahlo other than that she was queer. The two readings we had on her lead me to an debate that I've been having with myself for a while.... which is that we firstly need to unwhitewash and unwater-down historical figures, understand them for the political people that they were, and celebrate that. On the other hand, some of the best representation we have is problematic. Ellen, great for lesbian representation, also hangs out with George Bush and is famously abusive to her staff. Ru Paul, made drag more mainstream and accessible, also is transphobic and really into fracking. Caitlyn Jenner, great that we have a famous trans person to initiate conversations, also got away with manslaughter and actively works against the trans community in favor of siding with the rich. All of this is to say that the representation we have is complicated. I am of course grateful to everyone above for being themselves publicly, that can be enough, but we also have to understand that rich people are first and foremost rich, they may also be trans and queer and black and brown, but they are rich above all else and so it's never really full and complete representation. I of course put none of this baggage on J. Lo because I simply do not know enough about her life based on one day's worth of readings. Representation matters, life is messy, I'm proud of those who stand up in the face of objectification even if they are super rich and far removed from my own experience with queerness.

I think that objectification can be empowerment if that is what you're looking for. If objectifying yourself makes you feel good and it is done on your terms and with your boundaries then go for it. There is liberation in dressing outside of the norm and if you are doing it for yourself and it makes you feel powerful, then go for it - though it is vitally important that these things are negotiated on the individual level.

I feel that my thoughts aren't as cogent as they have been other days, this is a complicated topic. Representation and objectification are tricky, and I'm not sure that I have fully parsed out what I understand them to be, but I'm on my way there.

[shattered-catalyst]

I understand that asking why anyone would ship Deadpool and Shatterstar is a stupid thing. But seriously, why? CABLE IS LITERALLY RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. AND ITS, THEY JUST, GUYS. THEY REFER TO THEIR FALLING OUT AS THEIR DIVORCE. people please.

For real: DEADPOOL and CABLE are a couple and quite honestly I am SO here for them. I am excited and hopeful for cablepool in this movie: it’s a Longshot(lol) but I am hopeful for it. I haven’t read much of their relationship together but I love both characters and their dynamics are fantastic so I cannot imagine cablepool as being anything other than fantastic.

But lbr for a minute and go over the infuriating reasons why people are shipping this instead of canon cablepool: this is what I’ve seen so far and reasons I’m no longer following the Shatterstar tag. Annd the Rictor tag.

1. Shatterstar looks younger so people are being douchebags about shipping him with Deadpool because it’s all about couples looking how they want them to

1a: I am not sure and I cannot look it up right now but even with the age difference in cablepool it’s fine because THEY BOTH MET AS ADULTS

1b: fans do not think age differences in ships matters because of the prevailing idea that Internet doesn’t effect real life.

Newsflash:it effects the people who see the content so shut that shit down. Anyone who ships DP and Star is basically shipping a minor and an adult because timeline wise Shatterstar is a teenager when he meets dp and they fight and dp kicks his ass and it’s great but whatever read the comic it’s great.

1b i: THIS IS THE SAME WITH DOMINO ANS JIMMY. that is a harmful student teacher relationship it is not okay!!!

1c: age differences like this in ships wth special attention to LGBT couples is important to recognize as minor adult and teacher student relationships promote harmful HARMFUL LGBT stereotypes. SO DO NOT SUPPORT THEM.Why important?1c I: see laws that state children can be taken from LGBT couples and how teachers are fired or suspended when outed because people still assume LGBT adults are sex predators.

2. They’re both LGBT so of course they sleep together (I AM CALLING THIS THE ICEMAN EFFECT BECAUSE ACCORDING TO FANS AND WRITERS APPARENTLY ALL LGBT INDIVIDUALS SLEEP/FLIRT WITH EACH OTHER. WHICH AS A FRESH FROM THE CLOSET LESBIAN I CAN POINT OUT IS WRONG)

3. Rictor isn’t in the movie so people cannot handle not having a boyfriend for star because star is basically a figure for them to ship with and therefore he does not exist outside of a relationship or murdering things. The ground exploded y'all. It’s an action movie. It does that sometimes. I know that sounds hecka harsh and I am glad people are excited and hopeful: but from every post I’ve read they are excited because Ric and star will be together. They are not excited about getting the individual characters/ again it’s all for the ship.

4. Shatterstar not being respected as a character and instead being boiled down to sexualized tropes (see PADs x factor investigations run and how Ooc that is. I highly suspect that this will be played out in DP for comedic effect and have braced myself for it)

4a. STOP SEXUALIZING CHARACTERS

4b. Lewis Tan is playing Star so if you start fetishizing the actor I will start blocking. Asian America and Asian actors and actresses get enough shit as is. Respect Tan and his career and the specialized skills he brings to Stars character. ( this same thing goes for Diego Luna and Gael too)

AGSJSHAJAK anyway as you can tell I feel passionately and probably too personally on this topic and I hope I didn’t word anything too aggressively.

I am excited and optimistic for the movie but I am disappointed in how the characters are treated by the fan base in general.

[blautitlewave]

I just need to get my complaints and whining out of my system for tonight, don’t care who reads it if anyone does.

Sick and tired of gay people acting like they’re the only people in the LGBT community that matter. It’s a similar problem I have with people thinking “diversity” = “Black people are included”. What about Asian people (Central and East and South East), what about Natives. Hey what about the bisexuals, Gays? Oh yeah you forgot we existed, didn’t you? 

If you wnt to just be the LG community, that’s cool. We oft-forgotten Trans and Bisexuals and Asexuals will be over here actually having dialogue and cook outs while you stick your noses up at us and refuse to sleep with us because “Eww, your privates once touched privates I wouldn’t touch”, “Bi girls just return to men, there’s no point in having relationships with them oh woe is me”. Fuck your gold star bullshit, Elizabeth, STEVEN.

I also literally don’t care if I hurt your sensibilities if I use “gay” as an insult. I use it as a compliment, I use it as a stupid meme, I use it because I like to ironically label straight people doing straight love shit “gay” to unnerve homophobes. And yes I use it as an insult because fuck, there ain’t no other way to describe things sometimes except to call a gay person “gay” or a “faggot” in the same way you call a woman a “bitch” or a “Cunt” as a joke or to insult them. People I know call me “autistic” and “gay” as insults and I’m fine with it because I know what they’re implying --the things I do can be fucking weird and stupid. Yeah, call me out on my autistic behavior because there’s really no other way to describe the phenomenon, negative, neutral, or positive.

If that makes me gross, then literally don’t interact. Just peace out and look at some flowery tumblr aesthetics or a gif set of wonder woman. You know that’s wohat you were going to do before you decided to write a dissertation on “Why This Particular Tumblr User is Literally the Reason Why Gay Children are Being Kicked Out of their Homes and Bullied To Suicide In Our Schools”. Trust me, I’m not the reason.

Another thing. To a certain point I understand the idea of fetishization but on another point? I don’t care. It’s your fantasy, do what you fucking need to to get off. Fetishizing gay people, lesbians, trans people, “bisexual” and actual bisexuals, whatever. I consider it better than wishing us dead. Yeah you’re sex objects but news flash, everything is a sex object. If I want to put two characters together to see them bang I fucking will and I don’t care if you don’t like it. No one is being murdered over them, stop acting like they are. Are straight people guilty of acting like gay people are their little handbag accessories? Yeah, but that’s why you get better friends. Don’t settle for them. If you can’t do that much, then that’s your problem, isn’t it.

INB4 oh wow this user is a piece of trash yikes lmao bye felicia gross bad post op blahditty fucking blah [sassy gif] 

[shingekinoheadcannons]

EVERY AOT CHARACTER DESCRIBED BY YOURS TRULY

EREN YEAGER  - Little piece of shit who tends to have mental breakdowns if he has’nt revenge himself. Suffers anger management issues and prefers killing things then solving problems. Too honest to say things that he’s scream at a horse if he hates them.

MIKASA ACKERMAN - OP Exotic Asian who is the only one left who doesn’t play Starcraft, star in JAVs or eat exotic Asian food, because she’s the last Asian in the walls. Obsessed with angery little boys who likes to kill giant mexicans that hate Trump and his three coencetric walls.

ARMIN ARTLERT - Coconut cinnamon roll that looks exactly like some trap in a shitty hentai. oh wait, he does... Likes to think all day and possibly can become the next Archimedes without the barrel thing that is. Screams in E minor when his friends get eaten.

LEVI ACKERMAN - Probably the only one who shoplifts all the cleaning products and the growth pills in your friendly neighboorhood marketplace. Too sazzy to hide his depression and really likes to drink tea so much that everytime you say black tea is shit, he’ll dfksdafrfskerfoejnmtienbiwanbdkasn msdfsdfgsdgujuyiujjhgxdfhthyt

JEAN KIRSCHTEIN - probably came to be from a new magical breed of unicorns and humans. They say that if you hate Eren, you’ll be given magical powers by Jean like flight, laser vision and teleportation. His hobbies is cosplaying everyone he hates and @hajime-isayama-official likes him so much that even @zekejaegerofficial​ considered him as a seedling.

SASHA BRAUS - The only reason why @asktrollkeithshadis even existed... Eats everything she sees and will leave you paying for the bill. She gets exhausted easily but can run up to 200km/s if potatoes were involved.

CONNIE SPRINGER - Not to be confused with Springles, he might be Krillin teleported into another universe, he might be the avatar or the One Punch Man or possibly Mr. Clean’s child but from what I know, he’s actually the Hobbit.

REINER BRAUN - Mad delusional shipperfag as they say. He ships himself with Krista all the time if he’s not busy breaking other’s walls or sneaking in girls rooms to watch them sleep while breathing heavily like a gorilla.

BERTOLT HOOVER - The only one in the group who seems indifferent, is it because the way he only stick to his friends or is it because he’s gay for Annie or is it because the way he smells just because he sweats 24/7?

ANNIE LEONHART - Possibly the pre-existence of pure anger and a perfect example of confining objects, in this case anger in a small space. Likes Eren secretly which makes her a big target to Mikasa and little did we know that she actually turns into a titan by extending her nose

MARCO BODT - The one in the squad who probably died a virgin. Never got the chance to use his freckles in battle which is originally a missile launcher and doubles up as christmas lights. His favorite song is “Half Way There” by Big Time Rush.

KRISTA LENZ / HISTORIA REISS - Bow down to the queen, bitches! She’s best in playing hide-and-seek especially when it comes to her identity and getting away with her bitch of a father. Hangs out with lesbians and would likely join the girl scouts if she hadn't had a choice between the military or the labor camp.

YMIR - Lesbian titan deity of some sort, thinks of marrying blondies when they become queens and is too much of a dick or pussy in helping the enemy get away. The reason also why Krista’s mind is broken AF.

HANGE ZOE - likes to discover the world in dirty ways like dissecting giagantic humanoids and tortures the fuck outta them. would never hesitate to kill you if you never gave her a titan body pillow before she sleeps.

MOBLIT BERNER - Alcohol is his favorite pasttime. He enjoys weekends by finding ways to never be Hange’s assistant. And probably throws people into wells when explosions as big as Tsar Bomba or Megumin’s explosions were involved.

ERWIN SMITH - Lonely man who wants a peek to what he tought the greates Porn Stash in all of the Walls. His eyebrows were actually culture and it actually grows hands to punch the next person to insult hifokmadndfnsaknamsadfasfkdsgmfrlhmfdghdfgdfgd

NILE DOK - Much of a chicken he is... A good family man and is just man of honor. Too bad he did’nt join the Survey for the laughs everytime someone they hate gets eaten by a titan.

DOT PIXIS - Not to be confused with Springles, After his retirement, Pixis who is also called by his alternate name Mr. Clean; enjoyed life by joining the military. He enjoys drinking Wine and having long naps atop the walls... Too bad he doesn't fall down.

DARIUS ZACKLY - Pedophile who enjoys torturing nobles by his favorite fetishes. Calls his hobby, art... And possibly holds the World Recored for Man With The Best Facial Hair.

GRISHA YEAGER - Stole the BEST DAD AWARD from Van Hohenheim, Goku and Gendo Ikari for the act of turning his children into titans. 

ZEKE YEAGER - Isayama’s fetish buddy. has too many good attributes that I can describe off.. @zekejaegerofficial​, do you even have bad attributes? Best son ever, ironically speaking...

HAJIME ISAYAMA - Award winning author of the whole goddamn series. His favorite pastime is watching UFC, Game of Thrones, fapping to Momoiro Color Z members and drinking the tears of all his fans everytime he kills a character in the manga.

[milfnipples]

the bad part about wanting lgbt representation in overwatch is that there is almost always gonna be more cons than pros…. i’m not saying that as i am against the representation but when you have to depend on a company where their main demographic are straight men, it will never be handled correctly. either from the company or the fans.

for example:

when tracer was announced as being canonically in a relationship with emily, most straight men players (sadly the main demographic) who read the comic lost their shit. others who didnt read the comic had no idea that she was even dating emily because of lack of content in game. the ones who did read the comic either celebrated it, assumed she was bisexual so that men gamers still “had a chance” with a fictional woman, or hated that she was with emily.

most of the current characters have more cons than pros if they were to be announced as lgbt. either straight men gamers would be upset with the choices if the next character to be confirmed as lgbt was a man or they’d fetishize the character if they were a woman. or straight women would fetishize the lgbt men characters and alienate the women characters.

mei, mercy, widowmaker, d.va, sombra being lesbian, trans, or bisexual would either cause straight men to fetishize them or they would get upset because they don’t have the chance to project their toxic masculinity against these femme characters and try to “date” them. this would also cause the straight women “yaoi” communities to alienate these characters or treat them as an annoyance for getting in the middle of their gay ships. as for mei and d.va, they would get worse treatment because of straight men’s infantization of eastern asian women. 

genji being gay, trans, or bisexual is extremely unlikely just because of the overwhelming amount of gency lines and lore in game. or cause an uproar from straight men gaming community.

mccree, reaper, solder: 76, or hanzo being lgbt would most likely cause an uproar from straight men gamers who hate mlm and/or think that those characters being gay, bisexual, or trans lowers the masculinity factor that most straight men gamers enjoy and love playing them for. the flip side is that because the four of these men characters are conventionally attractive, it would make the straight women who enjoy the game fetishize the men even more than they already do.

roadhog being gay, trans, or bisexual would cause the straight men gamers to treat him even worse than they already do because of his weight and age. they’d lose more respect for his character because of his orientation, gender, and appearance.

junkrat being gay, trans, or bisexual would give the same response as roadhog. the straight men playing the game would lose more respect than they had already because he is designed to be a comic relief character. not only does that cause an uproar, but its also just bad representation because of his implied mental issues and his comic relief position in the game’s lore.

lucio being gay, trans, or bisexual would cause more problems because already the community spews very racist jokes at the expense of lucio. it could only get worse if he was confirmed as a black lgbt man.

reinhardt or torbjorn being lgbt would most likely cause an uproar from straight men gamers think that those characters being gay, bisexual, or trans lowers the masculinity factor that most straight men gamers enjoy and love playing them for. it also would cause both characters to lose respect because of their age or appearances.

ana being lesbian, trans, or bisexual would cause straight men to either fetishize her or become angry and confused about her being pharah’s mother (lesbians or trans people can have biological children if they choose) it could also cause her to lose respect because of her being an lgbt egyptian woman.

pharah being lesbian, trans, or bisexual could cause straight men to fetishize her, or get upset because of no longer having a chance with her (she’s fictional?) it could also cause them to no longer play her because she would be an lgbt egyptian woman.

zarya being lesbian, trans, or bisexual is likely just because of her heavily butch woman coding but it would also cause straight men to alienate her more and lose more respect for her character than there is already.

symmetra being lesbian, trans, or bisexual would cause straight men to either fetishize her even more or alienate her because she is already confirmed as autistic in canon. they’d lose respect for her more than they already have because of her being an lgbt autistic indian woman.

bastion, orisa, or zenyatta being lgbt would cause more people to treat them as a joke because “robots shouldn’t have sexualities or genders.” (even though they are projected onto them anyway) it also is bad representation because it shows that blizzard is just kinda slapping them onto non-human characters which alienates the lgbt community from the gaming community

winston being gay, trans, or bisexual would cause more people to lose respect for his character because he is non-human which alienates the lgbt community from the gaming community. it would also lead to more furry jokes at his expense from the gaming community.

while i am not happy with the way blizzard has treated tracer’s sexuality in canon by not including any content in game or expanding on her and emily’s relationship, you can tell they chose tracer because of her strong butch woman coding.

the lgbt needs more representation in the gaming community and blizzard is trying but not enough and still cares more about profit from straight men gamers than true representation of lgbt gamers. 

[sableaire]

I never said you said people can't enjoy KS. Never even hinted at it. What I find stupid, is the fact you actually believe fiction has a hold on people's minds. When Harry Potter came out no one thought they were wizard, no one attempted to do spells or find hogwarts. When The Hunger Games came out, nobody got in a ring to fight their friends to the death. Should I go on? Wanting 2 characters to have sex or be together doesn't mean you're making a fetish or a goal out of the relationship...

There’s a reason that during political regimes, certain books are banned and why books are sorted by age categories for the content within it. Repeated exposure to a subject can lead to desensitization towards its subject matter. Though studies have not found that kids who play violent video games significantly demonstrate violent behavior, studies have shown that kids who play violent video games are less affected by violence in media. 

Constant exposure to fetishization of a social group, be it ethnicity or a same-sex relationship, without critical thinking on the reader’s part reduces the reader’s ability to recognize fetishization as a problem in reality as well due to internalized normalization of the content. There’s a reason why fetishization of Asian women (’yellow fever’ is such an ugly term) and desexualization of Asian men is so prevalent in the current, real world, and it’s all to do with the works of fiction and basically fictional accounts of the Western world about the Orient. 

If you’re going to make it easy for me and bring in the big works like Harry Potter, I don’t even have to pull out my psych book - I can just link you the studies. First of all, no one may have thought they were a wizard or attempt to do spells, but the number of kids who waited for their Hogwarts letter is more than you might think, and that’s only approaching the issue in the way you have narrowly defined it.

Fiction has social, transformative capabilities. Here’s a piece in the New York Times about how the themes present in Harry Potter has been influential to an entire generation. Here’s an article in the Scientific American about how the series instills empathy in children. Here’s the NPR’s on a study that claims reading Harry Potter leads to more positive social attitudes in children. Johns Hopkins University wrote a whole book on the subject. The Conversation also touches on this, and further, links to other studies on how fiction influences audience thinking.

Those are just the big-name publications I could link on Tumblr. The number of scholarly sources I can access through my university’s database is astronomical. Everyone wants to write their thesis on Harry Potter, I suppose, aha.

The Hunger Games has not been around for as long as Harry Potter nor comparably internationally successful, so there aren’t as many studies completed, but there is still this article from the Huffington Post with quotes from students remarking on real-world connections to the story and this Daily Dot piece on the series’ cultural impact. Oh, would you look at that. No one got in a ring to fight to the death, but there’s been an uptick in archery lessons for girls.

And to address your last point, no, wanting two characters to have sex or be in a relationship does not mean you are fetishizing them. It depends on why you want the characters to have sex or be in a relationship and how you portray it, and with Killing Stalking, it’s all too easy to get it wrong. 

If the primary reason you want the characters to have sex is because ‘it would be hot’, it’s fetishistic, and not just in the case of LGBT relationships. However, it is more damaging to LGBT people because proportionally, there are fewer LGBT sex scenes in media, so proportionally, there are fewer LGBT sex scenes done without a fetishistic gaze. If the primary reason you want the characters to be in a relationship is because you find it titillating, then it’s fetishistic, and it’s more damaging to LGBT people for the same reason: There are fewer LGBT relationships in mainstream media. 

Real-life lesbians have to deal with men who think they can butt in with a threesome, an idea popularized by pornographic fiction. Real-life gay men have to deal with gay-ship fangirls who tactlessly ask, “Which of you tops?” without realizing that asking about someone’s sex life might be intensely intrusive, thanks to yaoi culture. Bisexual and people with low sex-drive in general all have to deal with people who think that they can be the ‘exception’ and change their mind once they have sex, thanks to a lot of damaging fiction and ‘no means yes’ fiction written in the past.

Fiction can very much exert cultural and social influence, and trying to claim otherwise is a discredit to many great storytellers of the past and an offense to many aspiring storytellers of the future.

[ageofdragon]

Posting because I saw someone try to explain how you have to let people in fandoms have what they want, because it isn’t hurting anyone and you can just ignore them.

And No. I won’t ignore bigotry and fetishism just to appease their poor, greedy souls. Especially when it is absolutely reflective of how they see real people in their real lives. Trust me, as someone who actively participates in Fandom, how you behave towards fictional people and their real-life counterparts are definitely related.

(i.e. See the straight men and woman who fetishize same-sex relationship and then deny them in real-life “because their all about sex”)

And I always hear about “but the children don’t know better”, and no maybe they don’t but I’m sure as hell going to correct them (not in a terribly nasty way, but I’m going to do it) and let them know they can’t grow up to be adults who rely on “but the children” to protect them and their childhood fed bigotry too.

The year is 2017:

Gays belong to themselves Lesbians belong to themselves Bisexuals belong to themselves Pansexuals belong to themselves Trans people belong to themselves Non-Binary people belong to themselves Queer people belong to themselves

None Of Them Belong To Straights

The year is 2017:

Blacks belong to themselves Latinos belong to themselves Asians belong to themselves Natives belong to themselves People of Color belong to themselves

None Of Them Belong To White People

Not as your fetish, not as your kink, and not as your escapism fantasies. I don’t care what argument you have, you’re wrong. A person, a culture, a community, a representation belongs only to themselves and No One Else.

You want to support the ships and people, awesome. Don’t be a creep and make them about you.