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rainbowresurrection · 9 months ago

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Kinda got a love/hate relationship with the history of K/S because it's like. Can I please have a queer discussion about this 1960s television show without it being reduced to "shipper discourse". I thought Spock and Kirk were homo long before I knew that their characters spawned a fanfiction counterculture. The bisexual dude who wrote the episode that really kick-started the movement didn't know it was going to coalesce into the fan phenomenon that it did, he was just writing what he knew how to write best: the repression of burning male desire, and two dudes doing homoerotic shit. Can I just talk about the repressed burning male desire please, and the implications of a gay angle to Kirk and Spock's story, without it being referred to as shipper discourse. Can I do that. Does this make sense

#yes queer men write fanfiction but the subculture itself wasnt really centered around us or around closeted male desire which is the part #i related to #and I don't always think it gets to be talked about in a way thats ever fully divorced from that context if that makes sense?#one could argue it never WILL be divorced from that context but I believe said subtext existed before k/s was invented so #anyway this is one if my most autistic posts to date #historic moment #i hope this makes sense #k/s #star trek #the premise #like i just feel like glossing it over as ship discourse is demeaning to the actual GAY part of the discussion. this was even seen when #Gay-Gay Abrams was making his reboots and people brought up the subtext as a possibility #and creators were like “grrrrr you shippers just want your two favs to kiss onscreen” which downplays the significance of two men #being INTIMATE ONSCREEN #and is a lazy way to sweep queer male rep under the rug idk idk Im tired #Kirk and Spock will always be dismissed as a possibility and thats the excuse thats always used #its just so tied up in that fandom culture #i mean its interesting its just also frustrating at times

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