#wolf von uberwald

[dimity-lawn]

[klinefelterrible]

Does anyone else cry at the last meeting with the King in Fifth Elephant? I was reading it at work yesterday and lucky me noone was around because fuuuuuck. Every single part hits hard

[ellieloves2read]

inspired by @ilexdiapason :]

not tagging anybody; this is for anybody who wants to! if you do, tag me! i wanna see your women

[mywingsareonwheels]

In which I get very feral about Angua von Uberwald, as I sometimes do

(Below is a quote from The Fifth Elephant, it contains some spoilers...)

""Carrot! I've got to know something."

"Yes?"

"That might happen to me. Have you ever thought about that? He was my brother, after all. Being two things at the same time, and never quite being one... we're not the most stable of creatures."

"Gold and muck come out of the same shaft," said Carrot.

"That's just a dwarf saying!"

"It"s true, though. You're not him."

"Well, if it happened... if it did... would you do what Vimes did? Carrot? Would it be you who picked up a weapon and came after me? I know you won't lie. I've got to know. Would it be you?"

A little snow slid down from the trees. The wolves watched. Carrot looked up for a moment at the grey sky and then nodded.

"Yes."

She sighed. "Promise?" she said." * * * * * * * * * * *

PRATCHETT HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU.

How am I supposed to be normal about Angua, the most all-round competent pretty much of all the Watch (and definitely the most alarming fighter), cynical and self-aware and judgemental and brilliant and passionately loyal and very compassionate at times, saying that to her boyfriend. An intensely idealistic and kind and simple and terrifyingly (no, truly terrifyingly) good man. It's implied that their relationship has an inevitable slight d/s-y element, because anything halfway between a human and a wolf is rather a dog, and she is absolutely aware that when he calls, she will come running. Even while she is continually the only person (other than Vimes) who gets seriously snarky about him and isn't easily influenced by his extreme levels of charisma.

And her sheer damn relief in this scene. They've just buried her other love interest, who died trying to save Carrot from Angua's horrifying brother Wolfgang. And Carrot's the only person she trusts this much. This is just the absolute classic monster x human relationship, there is so much going on with them over the course of the several books in which they both appear (though this is the one in which they are both the most in focus) and I am still waiting for any adaptation to do it full justice.

I do not usually get this intense about any m/f relationship, but FUCK.

I also note: we learn in The Fifth Elephant that Angua has another brother who is unable to change shape to looking like a human, and who got out of the family (and away from Wolfgang) too, to work as a sheepdog in Borogravia, where he wins prizes at agricultural shows. Carrot is clearly deeply proud of potentially having a prize-winning sheepdog brother-in-law. Angua finds this extremely irritating. :D

But Vimes and Angua are based in Borogravia in Monstrous Regiment, only a few books later, so I am working on the assumption that Angua visited Andreyi while she was there. :) :) :) I hope they had a good time together. I also wonder whether his human shepherd boss has any idea of his species. :D (I bet Granny Aching would have worked it out, but Granny Aching doesn't live in Borogravia. ;-) )

[princess-of-the-corner]

Because I'm such a big Discworld fan, and the recent topic is werewolves, let me tell you and monster-au-anon about the werewolves of Discworld!

The first two we meet aren't quite like the rest, Lupine is a wolf that turns into a humanoid at the full moon. He's quite annoyed at this because it's really hard to keep a pair of trousers that he only wears one week a month. The other is Ludmilla Cake, who is a wolf-person at the full moon, but otherwise merely quite hairy.

Then we meet Angua von Uberwald and (eventually) her family, all of whom are werewolves. They can transform at will, but find it very very hard to resist being a wolf at full moon. Her father actually spends so much time wolf-shaped that, when we meet him, he's nearly forgotten how to act human. Her brother, Wolfgang, is a fascist werewolf who is very dedicated to werewolf supremacy.

An interesting addition is that of these natural born werewolves, there's a chance for them to be born without the ability to change. Angua had a sister who was permanently human-shaped (until Wolfgang) and a brother who is permanently wolf-shaped (he ran away and became a champion sheepdog). They're still werewolves, they just can't transform.

Every single thing I learn about Discworld is the wildest fucking thing I could ever imagine (I say this with all the love in my heart, but the attention span of a cocker spaniel)

[incomingalbatross]

I think Murderbot would vibe with Angua von Uberwald. I think Angua's "you know what's halfway between a wolf and a human? a dog" line would resonate with Murderbot's own issues of "I don't want to be treated like a machine and I don't want to be treated like a human and I definitely don't want to be treated like the thing halfway in between those two"

[flaggermousseart]

Angua von Überwald

[benevolenterrancy]

Gaspode glanced sideways. Angua was sitting on her haunches, staring.

“Yer tongue’s hanging out,” he said.

@meso-mijali suggested I draw a werewolf, so have an Angua

[wendynerdwrites]

Okay but seriously

Think of all the things Bigby Wolf and Angua von Uberwald would have to talk about.

[morporkian-cryptid]

Re- Lupin III Discworld AU

Thank you all for the feedback!!

#oh gods Lupin AND Moist von Lipwig?? How is the city still standing? #Lupin tries to steal from the Witches. it Doesn't Go Well at all #jigen's response is 'that's what you get for going up against Weatherwax!' #that's her name right? it's been so long since i've read the books #Does this mean Cagliostro is some small offshoot of Uberwald? The Count is a vampire don't @ me #i should reread the discworld books

(via @saphura)

The only reason Ankh-Morpork is still standing is because Lupin has no interest in destroying his main source of income, and Lipwig is trying not to piss off Vimes and Vetinari too much.

Lupin vs Granny Weatherwax is something I would pay good money to see. What would he even try to steal from her, though?

ÜBERWALDIAN VAMPIRE COUNT CAGLIOSTRO YESSSSSS!!! Would that make Clarisse also a vampire (Überwald League of Temperance probably), or is she from the human branch of the family?

this. this is a magical gift i love everything about it though listen im not sure theyd have to blackmail ridcully into magicking the carriage like im pretty sure promising to let ridcully take a spin in a BRIGHT YELLOW FUCK-YOU-FAST SPORTS CARRIAGE is enough incentive for him to do it for a laugh they go careening over the hills - crossbows out - on one absolutely batshit insane hunting trip and ridcully is pleased as punch as for lupin and moist interacting god thatd be amazing and goemon having a really obnoxious talking sword that he actually likes is hilarious im sure thats fun to share a (fiat) carriage with aaaaaaah this really is just fantastic thank you for sharing discworld lupin

(via @carriagelamp )

You are entirely right, Ridcully would give his right arm for the opportunity to mod the shit out of Lupin's BRIGHT-ASS YELLOW CARRIAGE (I didn't think about it being yellow, but it's perfect)

Jigen: So, my friend has this funky carriage he needs to repair, and- Ridcully, already taking out his staff with a knob on the end: SAY NO MORE.

(also, I just realized Lupin would know al the lyrics to "The Wizard's staff has a knob on its head", "The Hedgehog Song", etc, and he'd be fucking insufferable when he's drunk. When he's sober too.) (he'd get along awfully well with Nanny Ogg, to Granny Weatherwax and Magrat's gret despair) (also Jigen and Nanny drinking contest) (Nanny flirts with Lupin and nobody knows how to react to that, least of all Lupin) (until he just goes "fuck it, might as well flirt back with the cheery eighty-year-old witch"

Sentient!Zantetsuken doing constant commentary about "filthy morporkian technology". Jigen fucking despises it. Lupin only tolorates it because it pisses Jigen off. Fujiko probably got the horse golem only so she could escape the carriage rides with the sword.

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Also I have more to add about werewolf Jigen (not much, but):

Imagine Angua passing him in the streets and doing a double take because 1) there aren't any other werewolves than her in the city and 2) this guy isn't even überwaldian??? are there werewolves in Agatea??? What the fuck?????

Lupin would def give Jigen one of those custom watches that tells the phases of the moon, like Carrot gave to Angua. Completely useless of course because Jigen can feel his fucking hair growing out when the full moon is coming, but it's still a thoughtful gift.

I was gonna say Goemon probably kept some silver around in the beginning, but then again, no werewolves in the Agatean Empire, so how would he know about silver.

Also, think of the angst and hurt/comfort potential of Jigen having always seen himself as a monster and a danger to other, but now having companions who don't see him as such, support him and value his gift. (having a guy on the crew who can literally smell the cops coming would be incredibly useful. Unfortunately they can't use smell bomb against Angua because that would hurt Jigen as well.

I'm imagining Jigen being really secretive about his "problem" and refusing to let anyone know about it, until the moment when he has to tell Lupin because he can't leave in the middle of a heist prep and he's worried he'll hurt his friends, so he gives him all the instructions on "how to deal with a feral wolf in the middle of the fucking city". Then the full moon comes, and Lupin's reaction upon seeing Jigen in wolf form is "OMG PUPPY!!!" and to immediately cuddle him. Jigen is too flabbergasted to even think of hurting him.

[takivvatanga]

“Wolves hate werewolves.' 'What? That can't be right! When she's wolf-shaped she's just like a wolf!' 'So? When she's human-shaped she's just like a human. And what's that got to do with anything? Humans don't like werewolves. Wolves don't like werewolves. People don't like wolves that can think like people, an' people don't like people who can act like wolves. Which just goes to show that people are the same everywhere.' said Gaspode. He assessed this sentence and added, 'Even when they're wolves.”

Terry Pratchett – The Fifth Elephant 

I need to talk about ANGUA.

I need to talk about Angua’s background.

Angua, essentially, was raised in a family that considered themselves superhuman. The von Uberwalds are werewolves, in Discworld canon being a werewolf is not a matter of curse or disease but of species (a subset of Undead, to be exact). Angua’s family were speciesist AS FUCK, considering themselves so highly superior, everyone else lesser. It is such a very clear code for white supremacism, it could not be any more obvious. On top of that, they are nobility.

So Angua grew up having her head filled with all this supremacist nonsense, she watched and she listened and she absorbed until eventually she started to question.

Angua’s brother killed one of their siblings purely for the fact that she could not shift shape – she was a yennork, a werewolf by blood but stuck in one form (in her case, human). And Angua’s father let it happen.

I think Angua likely questioned the status quo before – she is intelligent, she has an innate moral compass, but losing her sister and watching her family not just stand by but low key approve of this happening for reasons of racial purity – that was the push Angua needed to break away. Because FUCK THAT. 

Angua, by nature, is a social beast. She is meant to run with a pack, being alone will always be uncomfortable to her on some degree – hence, I think, her decision to join the Watch – Angua did her time as a lone wolf but she needed a pack to thrive. Although she would have rather spent her whole life being miserable alone than to ever go back to that family. Having no pack is still better than running with one that is morally so corrupted, so conceited, so absolutely vile. Angua would have rather died than go back to that family. 

The amount of guilt and shame that Angua carries regarding her background is UNREAL.

It’s interesting, actually – one would think that her internal conflict would be the whole human vs monster thing but given where she’s come from and having seen that high key fascist, supremacist side of people  - that is the conflict. Knowing that she has to some agree absorbed that ideology (she was a child, that was all she knew!) and having to constantly monitor how that might unconsciously affect her thoughts, her actions, her views of other people. Having to question herself constantly. Wanting to be a better person than that, and standing up for those who have been wronged by that kind of ideology.

Angua is not ashamed of being a werewolf as such - she’s ashamed of what it implies morally, about the connotations of it, about all this brain rot fascist bullshit that she associates with it by default. She’s so ashamed, and she very much wants to do better. 

[leescoresbies]

top five fictional werewolves?

thank you DEARLY

delphine angua von uberwald (discworld)

george sands (being human)

bigby wolf probably?? he’s a werewolf and a detective so bonus points

ginger fitzgerald (ginger snaps)

remus lupin

[beholdthemem]

We as a species need more media with female werewolves. 

I can think of a gazillion fictional dude werewolves, but the only wolf woman I know of is Angua Von Uberwald, and while she is magnificent she should not be having to carry the genre herself.

[rosepinkkate]

I was tagged by @montanabohemian, thanks buddy :)

Rules:  tag nine people to get to know better

Relationship status:  married to work/career/school rn... so... single.

Favorite color:  This Red [A81407, rgb(168, 20, 7)] and this Teal [005B29, rgb(0, 91, 41)] 

Lipstick or chapstick:  Chapstick, but that’s only because I drink so much throughout the day, lipstick NEVER stays

Last song i listened to: Lol this is funny... “What would you do with a drunken sailor” by the Irish Rovers 

Last movie i watched:  Moana (btw amazing soundtrack)

Top 3 TV shows:  Hmmm... Johnathan Strange and Mr Norrel, Sense8, and my guilty pleasure Supernatural

Top 3 characters:  Childermass (JSaMN), Granny Weatherwax (Discworld), Luthien (Silmarillion)(btw such a badass)

Top 3 ships:  I am so vanilla here lol... LuthienXBeren (Silmarillion), ZeldaXLink (Legend of Zelda), and MerryXPippin (Lord of the Rings)

Books I’m currently reading: Whoops I’m accidentally reading a lot :/

The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fist-Fight in Heaven - Sherman Alexie Reaper Man - Terry Pratchett The Financially Confident Woman - (I forget this author rn) The Magicians - Lev Grossman (I haven’t gotten very far in this one)

As for tagging people, IDK who hasn’t done one of these memes, but sometimes they’re fun... so last few people in my activity feed are: @amy-ghost @rainelily @wolf--shadow @the-tao-of-fandom @angua-von-uberwald @thesaucyninja @vaityadil @pipuhattar @glorfy-the-bright-haired-ellon

[flaggermousseart]

Angua von Überwald

[incorrectdiscworldquotes]

Wolfgang, you were named not after one wolf, but after a whole gang of wolves.

Baron von Uberwald, probably.