#wkole

[myplasticadversary]

Tbh I do believe that "Roman has rationalized a belief in having a special connection with his dad due to being physically abused the most as a kid" and "Kendall/Shiv experienced their own more covert and insidious psychological violence as well that's harder for Roman to accept and acknowledge" can coexist.

[kimwexlers-brownhair]

@myplasticadversary Logan and CGK?

[myplasticadversary]

Idk, I think Logan did believe it at the time. It's just that what he thought he wanted from Kendall shifted around constantly and he never really figured it out, and also who Kendall is and was becoming fundamentally clashed with this ideal he had of "My Boy" in his head. Logan loves him as property but when it comes to him as a person and challenger he couldn't stomach it, though in another way I feel like he got a bit of a thrill out of their "game" that had him unable to write Kendall off entirely.

it really never was gonna be kendall actually. even if logan wanted him to be heir even if logan put him in that will even if logan underlined his name there was never gonna be a possibility where that jealous old bitch could ever give kendall the company willingly. the entire show logan hates kendall when he isn’t good enough to take over and hates him when he Is. he gets mad when kendall isnt worth giving the company to and he gets furious at the thought that kendall could ever have the company at all. he sat him down at seven years old and said one day this would be yours and i know in the back his head he knew he was fucking lying. that old man was never gonna give it up kendall really Did have to steal it or pry it out of his cold dead hands like ​No Goddamn Way did an orphaned logan who got smuggled in a ship hull to the home of an abusive aunt and uncle and built an empire out of nothing look at kendall in his princely thousand dollar vacation clothes eating a sundae as big as his face in the hamptons and think he genuinely wants this kid to have whats his.

[ofide]

kendall and logan song of all time

[myplasticadversary]

Thinking about how Kenrome and Kenshiv both mirror very different parts of Kenlogan, with Roman sharing Kendall's want to submit and be violently cared for and Shiv sharing the repulsion to that very thing and the want to fight back and be on top.

[louisironson]

Oh I have no doubt in my mind that if Kendall had a sick lover he would dip and perpetually seek either assurance from his self-loathing or masochistic vindication of it

absoLUTELY he’s. the worst. personally i think kendall’s a little more bipolar and louis is a little more ocd but they’re also both autistic at the end of the day. anyway i found the post i made this is from march of this year as dated in the picture

[myplasticadversary]

And his sympathy amounted to "they're embarrassed that their kid was a junkie", with of course the heavy implication to Kendall of how lucky he is.

GIF Request Meme: Most Heartbreaking Scene for @spectacolour

No real person involved.

[myplasticadversary]

Still thinking about how demented "Dinners For Winners" is, with Logan making his teenage son's best friend participate in humiliating him and treating him like an NRP, probably making little comments throughout that range from demeaning at best to blatant sexual harassment at worst but of course it doesn't count because he's Just Kidding, "it's a game, Stewart, play along." And in the back of Stewy's head he's gotta be wondering not only what awful shit's going on that he doesn't know about but if Kendall would let his dad do this to him if their roles were reversed.

[myplasticadversary]

For me the whole thing of it is, Kendall isn't his father at heart but he has this yearning to spiritually annihilate himself so he can regrow as Logan. It's both a want to surrender and absorb him entirely, a dream of resolving their power struggle by becoming one being.

honestly the Kendall Logan thing is very fun and all but also. that's all fronting. Kendall hasn't had a second to himself since the wake. he can cosplay as Logan like anyone else (as we have seen previously in the 3 seasons?) but he is not. Logan. all he can do is replicate Logan behavior in a more convincing and cutthroat way than, let's say, Roman. the entire show is about how Kendall is not Logan. please tell me you understood that

[wkole]

My David Beckham window!!

[myplasticadversary]

TW INCEST CSA -- Tangentially related to your last post, but it made me think about why I started seeing kendall as being SA'd by logan and I remember how it really hit me in the s1 finale, like the fact they had this dynamic of "there is this secret and it will be just between us and it will allow me to control you because if anyone finds out, your reputation will be ruined" and the way kendall 'caved in' to that (and behaved around logan subsequently as well) made me feel like there are very interesting layers here

Oh definitely, the double meanings are very thick there to me. The way that his agency is stripped down to that of a scared small child being coached on what to say, juxtaposed with him repeatedly being referred to as a sex object by multiple people and going all NIN "help me get away from myself" at the Vaulter party. And everyone asking him "what's going on with you and Dad" and being both jealous and disturbed by their closeness, it's like. The waiter really isn't the only thing being hidden.

[myplasticadversary]

I mean I think it's pretty clearly him talking from Logan's perspective (though granted he never really does much to step outside it but it is what it is), with the gross jealous projecting onto Stewy because he can't stand someone else having more of an influence over Kendall and Logan's so sure he knows what's best.

Someone needs to find out what script Brian Cox read to come up with these opinions because it was definitely not from succession

[myplasticadversary]

Currently thinking on the hypothetical Kenlogan Off To The Races fanvid, and my idea for lines like "with every beat of his cocaine heart" and the overall gambling motif is that this could be framed along with how Kendall's addiction relates to his relationship with Logan, his need for something to have power over him and drowning in excess and his golden cage.

[myplasticadversary]

CSA Warning – Just wanted to add to the earlier posts and say the S1 finale also gave me a disquieted vibe. There’s something inherently disturbing about the Kendall-Logan relationship that I haven’t been able to define but CSA works for me and how I read the show to add another layer to the subtext and adds additional dimension to both the way Kendall was groomed from childhood onwards and to his use of the cruise victims as a proxy for his battle with Logan.

That being said, I do wonder how Logan views and understands his abusive actions towards Kendall both now and in childhood. Logan obviously doesn’t see himself as abusive generally – he loves his kids and because he loves them he believes he’s toughening them up, or playing a game, or teaching them lessons. We’ve already seen the way he immediately rewrites acts of violence (“I hardly touched him” on hitting Iverson at Thanksgiving; “Did I even make contact?” to Roman in the car after Argestes). Do you think it’s just the same here? I know we focus on the kids, in this case Kendall, a lot when talking about CSA implications but I’m fascinated by how Logan may be able to compartmentalize or process SAing his kid.  How do you think he thinks about it and justifies it?

Oh yeah, I've turned it over in my head many times and I think there's a lot of different dimensions going into it. I made a post the other day that I think sums up what I see as Logan's thought process fairly well though, so I'll probably just copy and paste those paragraphs.

"So I guess the core of it is, I see Logan as being very fucked up in his views about sex and power and bodies and masculinity and "might makes right" and so on. And it's all deeply rooted in a combination of the violence he experienced as a child, seeing his own children as his property or extensions of himself, and the culture and actions he's had to become jaded and tolerant to in his line of business. That is to say, family is business and business is fucking.

I think he definitely doesn't see himself as a deviant or pervert and would be furious at any kind of pathologizing him that way, but it's that very cognitive dissonance that allows him to rationalize the unspeakable acts he's done and see them as not Real or mattering. With Kendall specifically, my interpretation is that any sexual grooming that happened with him was closely entwined with his being groomed to take over Waystar, which functions as both a cover and a reward, but is also part of why he has so thoroughly dehumanized his son. And I don't think Logan consciously intended it in the beginning, but it was like a slow eroding of boundaries fueled by his need to assert the family hierarchy and possibly insecurity about Caroline becoming cold and hostile to him (because of his abuse of her as well), and also in his mind a way of controlling and containing the deviance he saw in Kendall so that he could still be grown into a tough ruthless alpha."

[myplasticadversary]

raises my hand. do you have any thoughts on kendall being the kid who most resembles caroline (there is a handful of pictures of harriet walter when she was younger on imdb and... wow) and how that relates to logan's abuse? it's been driving me insane for a while

Oh yeah, I definitely feel a connection there. It's always been something I found kinda interesting, in how even though Kendall is the child Logan identifies with and wants to embody himself the most he also looks the least like him. And I feel like that plays a bit into the duality of their relationship, with Logan being the most affectionate to Kendall when he's his eunuch servant. Plus him being the oldest when Caroline would've left, and I think even if she saw herself in Kendall she just couldn't ever look past the role Logan put him in and thought of him as unreachable. In a way, maybe that could also be a mirror to Shiv resembling Logan the most, because she could never get him to see her in all her complexity.

[myplasticadversary]

Mm this reminds me of that moment before the vote of no confidence where Kendall has a burger with him, and he's all self-conscious and doesn't really know how to navigate being with him like this because that kind of simple intimacy is so rare between them, or often it's a test of scrutiny in some way or something else messed up, on top of the guilt he's already feeling about business-killing his dad. I feel like that's what their closeness has always kinda been like, that strange mix of comfort and unease over which way it could go or what Logan may be thinking.

do you guys think about the nights kendall and logan spent together at waystar working? sometimes they maybe ordered take out food and ate together while going over papers, numbers and all that. probably shared a lot of laughs together at maybe everyone else‘s expense. pre canon, early days before kendall‘s big fuck ups. they‘d argue to of course but it didnt lead anywhere bc they both know its late and work is getting to them. kendall being the one ending the nights most times „c‘mon dad, it‘s getting late.“