#william hastings

[blackboar]

What exactly was William Hastings killed for? He did not receive a public trial, did he really cooperate with the Woodville family? Was he killed at the banquet or a week later?

Oh it was a coup and murder. He still likely received a hasty and rigged trial before.

I'm not very interested and versed in the debate concerning the exact timing of his execution; however, the why is very clear.

Richard decided to usurp the throne and depose his nephews. He had supporters: Lord Howard, the northern Peerage and gentry and more amazingly the only other duke besides himself: Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham. Henry Stafford's support despite his seeming lack of relationship with Gloucester and his marriage link to the Woodville allowed the effect of surprise needed to capture Edward V and become the most powerful faction. The Woodville were a spent force by June 1483: Anthony Woodville and Richard Grey were in jail, Thomas was in exile, Edward Woodville failed to attract the royal fleet's support and the queen was secluded in Westminster Abbey.

Hence why the accusation from Richard that Hastings was plotting with the queen was a bit ludicrous: What is there to plot with? They're all in exile or in jail. They can't raise levies in the short term or do a strike attack. Hastings had serious squabbles with both the queen and Dorset, and there was no reason for him to support them over Gloucester, with whom he had a cordial relationship. I get people who say that he was afraid of either Gloucester's rise or Buckingham gaining importance but this isn't enough for him to do a speedy 180° turn back to a family he hurt and with whom he has some serious land feud.

The most probable conclusion was that he was killed because Gloucester wanted to overthrow his liege's heirs. Hastings couldn't accept that alongside the probable civil war it would trigger, which would destroy Edward IV's legacy. There is the theory that Hastings was plotting to block Gloucester's usurpation but I don't believe it considering he was utterly caught by surprise at the Council.

But why kill him by surprise and so quickly?

Richard knows Hastings' role in the Edwardian regime. He is the figurehead of the Household and most non-Woodville-related supporters. He is also a big source of manpower that was instrumental in Edward IV's triumph in 1471. From his lands and his personal retinue in the Midlands, Michael Hicks calculated he could raise thousands of men (I do not have his book with me so from my recollection it's either 3,000 or 8,000 men). Hastings is the king's friend, well-connected, popular and with a good military record and great control as Chamberlain over the Royal Household. In other words: he is a key player and a dangerous one on top of that.

But his fatal flaw is that he wields institutional power more than feudal power. He's powerful because he's the king's friend, his chamberlain and well-connected to his household and various official of the council. His son doesn't have the same connections. That's why Hastings disappearing is so attractive to Richard: he does not have an heir with enough might to avenge him as Edward IV did for his father.

Hence why I don't think that Richard even asked whether he would be open to Edward V's deposition. He couldn't afford a no and lost the effect of surprise. So he just went for it, struck before Hastings realized his intentions and executed him before his friends and servants could react.

Afterward he made his peace with Hastings' son by not attaining the father and seizing his lands. Edward Hastings was simply too young and not connected and experienced enough to pose a genuine threat to Richard.

So to sum up: I don't think he was cooperating with the Woodvilles and he was clearly killed because he could become an opponent to the usurpation that would happen soon after his death.

Thanks for the question!

[richmond-rex]

As a trusted councillor and friend of Henry VII, Daubeney held a position in Henry's court that was similar to that held by Hastings in the court of Edward IV. Both men served their kings as chamberlain of the household, Hastings appointed in 1461 and Daubeney in 1495. Both were captain or lieutenant of Calais. At the Exchequer, Daubeney was granted the chamberlainship for life on 20 December 1487. This chamberlainship had been held by William, Lord Hastings during the reign of Edward IV [...] Katherine of Aragon, Henry VII 's daughter-in law, considered Daubeney "the man who could do most in private with Henry VII".

— Sharon D. Michalove, 'Giles Daubeney: Hastings to Henry VII?' | Traditions and transformations in late medieval England

Daubeney performed a great deal of service in exchange for the patronage he received from the king. But more important, these grants help to show how Henry VII followed Edward IV's lead in building up centres of authority in various parts of the realm. In 1474 Hastings was made a counterweight to the duke of Clarence in the midlands, with his base at Tutbury Castle. His influence was felt most firmly in Devon, north Warwickshire, and in Staffordshire. Daubeney's power base was concentrated in the southwest-Somerset, Devonshire, and Cornwall.

[edwardslovelyelizabeth]

Can we talk about the land conflict between the Woodville family and William Hastings?

I don't know much about this conflict. I know that it concerned only Thomas Grey, Elizabeth's eldest son. He was married to Hasting's step-daughter Cecily Bonville who was a wealthy heiress. Both Hastings family and John Grey's (Thomas's father) were from Leicestershire and were contesting the same properties in that region. I think some of that land conflict went though Tudors times between decendents of Greys and Hastings.

[katabay]

desmond & friends modern day assassin sequences…..I miss you……..

[digitalninjaa]

the fun part about drawing your favorite characters is that you can do it however tf you want i can give desmond ugly and unkempt stubble if i want to and nothing is telling me i can’t do that

[burnbrighterthanever]

Okay, we've all heard abt Desmond accidentally calling Shaun "Leo" or "Malik" and Shaun freaking out. And that's fun and all, but allow me to propose:

- A very tired Desmond called Rebecca "Claudia," and Rebecca's heart melted a little.

- Shaun brough Desmond some tea after a long session in the Animus, and he said, "Thank you, Shay." It took Desmond a good ten seconds to realize why everyone was staring.

- William was being Awful as per usual, and Desmond snapped in a perfect English accent. "Charles, control yourself or I'll have to ask you leave." The resulting explosion was heard from Abstergo headquarters.

[hran-rad]

My dealer: got some straight gas this strain is called "the battle of hastings" you'll be zonked out of your gourd

Me: Yeah whatever I don't feel shit

5 minutes later: dude I swear I just saw some normans off the coast

My buddy Ælfric pacing: the king is lying to us

[blueiscoool]

A Hoard of 122 Anglo-Saxon Coins Sells at Auction

A hoard of more than 100 Anglo-Saxon coins discovered by two metal detectorists in a field near Braintree, Essex, has been sold auction at Noonans Mayfair on February 21. Believed to have been buried in 1066 and owned by an individual who died during the Battle of Hastings. The collection of Anglo-Saxon pennies found by two metal detectorists have been sold for £325,560 ($411,000) at auction.

The coins were each worth 12 shillings, a considerable sum back in 11th century, leading Noonans’s coin expert Bradley Hopper to hypothesize that the reason they were abandoned was due “some great personal misfortune” such as the death of their owner in the conflict. Hopper added, though, that “it was perhaps quite common for people who had access neither to banks nor vaults to conceal their wealth in the ground, even in times of peace.” All bar two of the coins were minted within five years of 1066.

A small selection of coins from the hoard were bought by Colchester Museum and the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge, following the protocol of the 1996 Treasure Act. The purchased coins include two 11th-century Byzantine coins.

The metal detectorists found the majority of the coins in 2019 over the course of a few days, all within a 100-foot radius, some just inches beneath ground’s surface. A further 70 coins were found when the site was revisited in 2020. The coins were minted in various southern English towns and cities, including London, Cambridge, Canterbury, and Hastings.

The coins date from the reigns of Edward the Confessor and Harold II, the last two Anglo-Saxon kings of England. Harold was killed during the 1066 Battle of Hastings, seen on the Bayeux Tapestry receiving a fatal arrow through the eye. His death marked the victory of William the Conqueror, the first Norman king of England.

The detectorists have kept several coins, with 122 of the remaining relics headed to Noonans. The proceeds will be shared between the finders and the owner of the land on which the coins were discovered. Some coins included in the sale are exceedingly rare and could fetch £6,000 ($7,600) individually.

Hopper said that Noonans is “particularly fortunate that the auction catalogue contains not only the rarest and most academically interesting English coins from the Braintree Hoard, but also those pieces in the finest state of preservation.” He hopes that the auction will “promote further research into this wonderful coinage.”

By Verity Babbs.

[illustratus]

The Battle of Hastings by Pierre Joubert

1982 Au temps des Vikings - Les Normands de Guillaume le Bâtard (1982 Viking Age - William the Bastard's Normans)

[acgames]

Things I hope happened after AC3:

Ratonhnhakè:ton found himself a partner who cared for him like he cared for everyone he considered his people.

Desmond reunited with Lucy in heaven.

Shaun and Rebecca got closer and took some time off to mourn Desmond.

Desmond's mother performed DDT on William and threw divorce papers on his knocked out body.

Edward and Ziio beat shit out of Haytham in afterlife.

People of Davenport took good care of Assassin Turkey

Bonus

Juno tripped on some wire while leaving the Temple.

[blackboar]

What is the relationship between William Hastings and his wife? She was a Neville, who made up with Richard III after his death, but according to their son Edward, Catherine Neville often cried during that time … It is said that she was really dissatisfied with the Tudor dynasty?

I don't think that Catherine Neville's deal with Richard III after her husband's death is indicative of anything. Her husband's dead and she has to think about her living children who need their father's estate to ensure their status. It does indicate that she's not an (openly) vengeful or highly-principled person but such a move is hardly unusual. So we don't know much about her relationship with her husband or her relationship with the Tudor dynasty but her son fought for Henry VII and she wasn't accused of any plot, which means it's safe to assume she got along with it.

[vox-anglosphere]

The last invasion of Britain was the Battle of Hastings, 957 years ago

[teecupangel]

What we expect Shaun to be like: uptight proper twat who would look at Desmond and Rebecca in disgust when they microwave their coffee

Canon Shaun:

[isa-belle1367]

In my mind, when desmond has a bleeding episode, he doesn't remember what triggered the effect.

So imagine desmond and Bill are arguing and desmond snaps in a native American accent "hythem you are unbelievable."

Then he just stops and blinks for a second before saying, "What were we talking about." Literally, any anger desmond had is now gone, and he just looks confused, and it's obvious that he has no clue what they were aguring about.

So now we have an angry bill, confused desmond, and extremely concerned Rebecca and Shaun

[insanityclause]

The cast is yet to be announced, but A-list actors being courted are thought to include Hayden Christensen, who played Anakin Skywalker in the Star Wars franchise, as William, and Tom Hiddleston, who became a household name playing Loki, the arch enemy of Thor in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as Harold.

A shoot is being planned for next year, in Australia and New Zealand as well as the UK.

Interesting. I could see Tom in either lead role Harold OR William, tbh.

[digitalninjaa]

they should’ve made desmond have a panic attack on screen he was so unrealistically fearless for a lot of things

especially when william got taken he should’ve actively been shitting his jeans