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lighthouse-enjoyers-anonymous · 2 years ago

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The CSH pipeline (aka my downfall)(aka my favorite band ever)

Last year around June, I listened to Car Seat Headrest for the first time, I think starting with Sober to Death. I had seen mention of the band before in memes about it being "incel" "male manipulator" music, but it was associated with a lot of bands I already had an interest in. My first instinct when seeing that something is being shit on is to go and consume the media so I can judge for myself whether it's actually that bad or if the fanbase is just being characterized by a couple shitty fans and if it's being meme-ified like Weezer. This has lead me down some questionable paths but I ultimately like this way of consuming media because I do end up finding new stuff I enjoy without being restricted to what's popular. I started listening to Mitski because I saw a tumblr post about how people don't like her work. Idk. Anyways I loved Sober to Death and started listening to their other top songs to get a feel for it. I think I mainly just listened to Twin Fantasy and Teens of Denial at first, then ToS and MBIKMB after a while. I wasn't hardcore into it and I knew barely anything about the band except I had picked up somewhere that Will was a furry (I have zero idea when I learned this but at the time I thought it was the most hilarious thing I've ever heard). I was just focused on my other interests much more (you know how it is). Fun fact, my ex included "It's Only Sex" on our relationship playlist when we dated in March, which

1- is an absolutely insane red flag 2- proves I knew about the band earlier than I remember Flash forward to February. I must have seen CSH mentioned a lot more on tiktok or pinterest or something, because I suddenly had a lot of interest in it. Sometimes I get waves of "oh god i'm a fake fan for not knowing everything about this subject" and that spurs some manic search to CONSUME ALL. I started listening to every album available on spotify, learned about Will's pre-CSH projects, and was instantly hooked.

This guy had written songs that spoke to me in a way only several other artists had in the past. On top of that, he had lived less than an hour away from me for the majority of my life (until he relocated to Seattle in 2014), AND most of his music was written at the age I am now. There was something so personal to me about it. Obviously, it was a popular-ish band so it wasn't really underground or anything, but it wasn't known by everyone so I still had the opportunity to introduce it to my friends for the first time. That being said, I still got teased a bit for listening to "sad gay furry music" :/ Touché.

Anyways, I then learned about 1 Trait Danger. Oh boy. I had heard the "Timmis" sound going around on tiktok without realizing it. God Andrew Katz is amazing too. It was silly, it was stupid, it had a new plotline to follow for each album, there was a discord server, there were costumes, there was Will Toledo, there was SO MUCH TO LEARN. So naturally I joined the Patreon so now I get some sick behind the scenes video game development content.

Deeper into the rabbithole comes Cate Wurtz's comics, which are mentioned in several CSH songs, and generally help to contextualize Will's work. Holy Shit I love Crow Cillers. I only started reading it yesterday. I have yet to fully understand what's going on because there is such a mash up of themes. It's entirely possible I made a mistake and managed to skip some crucial lore, but I'll figure it out eventually. Ynce Iche is badass. Other things that this hyperfixation has caused me to get into:

Radiohead and Weezer. more stereotypical incel music but I D K

Costume design? I'm in the process of building a trait mask, and I will make another post about this because I need help!!

animation, possibly. I'm hoping to animate parts, if not all, of 1 Trait Bangers. I have no prior experience with animating so this will be.... fun...

video production. I am ALSO in the process of creating a series of tiktok style videos to all of twin fantasy. if each one is about a minute, I should have... 71 videos. 1 down, 70 to go! This is cool because I got to visit the spot in Harper's Ferry mentioned in BL-I-D.

CSH livestreams. I looove the acoustic sound. Do miss the other band members though. Lots of his covers have lead me to find new music as well.

Will Toledo's tumblr. I scrolled all the way to the bottom of it and i'm attempting to compile a playlist of every song he mentions on there.

Will Toledo's spotify monthly playlists. That funky guy is listening to soooo much welsh folk. This raises questions about what the possible new album will sound like, but I'm down for anything!

Andrew Katz's instagram reels. I love these funky little videos it's like a vine revival with all of our favorite band members.

Will Toledo's high school bands/comics. The Mr. Yay Okay facebook page is so blessed I love seeing shitty home video recordings of them playing with a Ouija board.

New friends! Shout out to the cool people on the 1td discord server. game nights are always hilarious

Pop culture references. I have been convinced to buy several books simply bc they were mentioned in a song or his tumblr. also I started NGE and I will eventually get to Twin Peaks.

That's all for now! I should be able to update as I find more stuff to deep dive into, and as my creative projects unfold. It's going to be a busy couple of months in my house though, as I prepare for college. If I end up switching hyperfixations before I complete anything, I must apologize. But I don't owe "you" anything. I say to my singular follower, cheezbot. Hi cheezbot.

#car seat headrest #cshr #csh #will toledo #infodump #1 trait danger

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queenfredegund · 5 years ago

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Other RDS question. the feelings I got abt its characters were: Fredegund slutty, brutal, witchy, evil (maternal love being her only redeeming qualitiy); Chilperic swings from violence to indecision, always ends up controlled by Fred; pretty& pure Galswintha, accepts her mistreatment like a martyr;Fred's stepsons adore Gals& suffer under Fred; Brunhilde 100% perfect, wise, pretty, good queen. Do u think the BD got any of the characters right? What's ur own opinion of this people's personalities?

I totally agree on your descriptions, according to the comics this is just it and anything else. For a point of view based on historical evidences only, I refer to my 3 parts post on Fredegund here (x) (x) (x).

Now, for a personal point of view, and even if as an historian I should not have a vision based on my own perception (but come on, this is just so tempting…), this is some of my own reflexions:

Fredegund was a smart and perhaps beautiful woman who came to emerge thanks to her fertility (hello, 6 children, 5 sons…). Based on her actions, I think she would also be the kind of “down to earth” person as she managed to control her situation and finish as the queen-mother of an infant boy of less than one year but still succeed. Now, if we speak about the first part of her life, as Chilperich’s concubine, I think she would have been his loved one, so I kind of imagine a smooth, joyful girl, but it’s also because I’m pretty sick of the bitch usually depicted…

Chilperich is for me a though character to picture, but we know for sure he was a cultivated person (he wrote poetry, religious eulogy and even made an alphabetic reform in wanting to add greek letters in the roman alphabet in order to catch more fluently ancient german sonorities). He seems also to be a devoted husband as he kept a close relationship with his wife until his very last time.

Galswintha… Oh god Galswintha is for me is THE character we need to restore, cause she had been so wronged during so many years that I constantly feel sorry for her. For some people she is an ugly weeping woman, for others a fallen angel. In my opinion she was a royal princess from Toledo, which means she had some guts towards the respect Chilperich may have given to her and she did not suffer any offense. I picture her as capable, but perhaps too much proud woman, which cause her downfall. I also imagined her waiting for her death with no illusion but dignity.

Brunehilde is for me a sort of mix of Fredegund and Galswintha: a clever and proud woman. As she grew old, she was also the matriarch of a family with too much young people and not enough adult men, so I see her as a very dutiful mother, grandmother and great-grandmother, but also a very political addict (not in a bad way, it’s just that when you lack of male support like in her place, you need to take the situation by your own).

For Audovera’s sons, I think that until a certain moment for each of them, there is no actual reasons for them to despite her. Again, if we take the situation as “Fredegund and Audovera were concubines at the same time”, it’s much probable to imagine the boys growing up near their stepmother. Plus we have some hints saying that Fredegund was in charge of at least Merovech and Chlodovech after becoming the new chief wife. So, I think they were certainly proud and perhaps ambitious young men who tried to attain their own objectives, but found sometimes Fredegund before them for different reasons.

I hope I answer correctly to your demand!

#ask #anon #fredegund regina #les reines de sang #merovingian period #6th century #kind of sick of all that trash #why everybody always portray them like they were demons??

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bxautifulchaos · 6 years ago

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FIFTEEN, JELLYBEAN JONES is a (student) residing in the (SOUTHSIDE). The (cis female) is well known for their +SMART, and +LOYAL personality. The only downfall is that they’re also well known to be -STUBBORN, and -RECKLESS. We are told they look very similar to SABRINA CARPENTER.

heyo! i’m swan, i have 20 and my timezone is est. i will be playing jellybean jones and if you want to plot with me i would gladly do it, i’m open for all plots!

she moved with her mom to toledo since she had two years old but always or most of the time kept in contact most with her brother.

but a year ago, when she had fourteen she decided to move to riverdale and her mom let her, she just missed her brother and also her dad, even if deep down she doesn’t admit it.

now she wants people to call her jb, mostly.

jellybean still has those negative feelings, is a bit resentful to her dad because he was absent most of her childhood so she felt really bad about it but now that she’s living here, she’s trying to at least get along.

#rewindshq: intro #about

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southsidesweetpea · 7 years ago

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so i’ve been thinking about the wonderful commentary on this post and i’ve decided that "Riverdale as purgatory / hell” is possibly my favourite theory of all time.

think about it: the weird weather. the odd aesthetic choices. the super-human healing abilities of Riverdale residents.

and why is Riverdale constantly invaded by such thick fog no matter what the actual weather is doing? why does no one mention it, or even acknowledge it?

you know what it reminds me of? that Nicole Kidman movie The Others. similarly to Riverdale, Nicole Kidman’s house is surrounded by incredibly thick fog that makes leaving impossible. at the end of the film, we find out that Nicole Kidman and her children were [ spoiler ] dead the whole time and are in some kind of purgatory, unable to move on to the next life.

so... what if Riverdale is the same? this explains the lack of seasonal continuity or a fixed timeline, as well as the anachronistic clothing and aesthetic choices. perhaps all of Riverdale’s residents come from different eras - perhaps they are all dead, or have somehow wandered away from their respective worlds and found themselves in the liminal space that is Riverdale.

come to think of it, we never actually see anyone coming or going from Riverdale. we’re told other places exist - New York, Chicago, Toledo - because our characters talk about them all the time. but the few times that other character have talked about leaving - Archie to live with his mom, Jughead ditto, something always happens to thwart their plans. something always pulls them back.

what would happen if one of our beloved characters actually tried to leave? would the fog simply become impassable, forcing them to turn around and go back the way they came?

sometimes visitors come from out of town, sure, but we never see them in transit. they are there and then they’re not, like Mary Andrews in season two. the closest we get is Veronica pulling up in a limo in 1.01 and Jason crossing the River. also possibly grundy skipping town, but in these last two examples Jason and Grundy only made it as far as Greendale, which seems to exist in the same kind of liminal state as Riverdale (possibly things are even weirder there, given the whole magic thing).

going back to aesthetic choices, "Riverdale as purgatory / hell” could also explain so many of the hyper unrealistic meta moments that we’ve collectively written off as winks and nods from the writers. the first that comes to mind is FP’s prisoner number - 24601, a reference to to Les Mis.

have you ever heard that theory that when you’re dreaming, your brain can’t actually synthesize things it hasn’t seen before? so if you see someone’s face in a dream, it’s one you’ve already seen when you were awake, even if you don’t remember. so, what if FP having this prisoner number is simply Purgatory!Riverdale’s way of filling in a gap? of building a world?

and, when Joaquin leaves town in season 1, he boards a bus bound for “San Junipero.” is this simply a fun reference to another TV show? maybe. but think about it: what is San Junipero? oh, nothing special, just a town that exists only in the minds of people who can choose to spend eternity there after death.

so, hear me out here - what if Riverdale is a dream? what if these characters are all somehow trapped in a reality constructed by one person’s subconscious? what if that person is Jughead? this would explain the pop culture references. the insane mysteries. the incredibly over-the-top commitment to aesthetic.

or, what if Riverdale is purgatory/the afterlife? what if our characters all ended up there together because something catastrophic happened?

Jason’s death was the catalyst. what if this single event caused a chain reaction that led to the downfall of Riverdale’s founding families, a subsequent civil war, and an eruption of violence? we have heard whispers of something like this before - the Riverdale Riots.

but what if the riots were deadly? deadly enough to claim the lives of hundreds of Riverdale citizens who are now forced to relive these events for the rest of eternity within the dreamlike confines of a town that no longer exists?

#pepesilvia.jpg #riverdale #riverdale meta #marble.txt #meta #ignore me

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outakuofyaoi · 4 years ago

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Ha! I was right! The picture on @machinegunkelly's microphone in the Concert For Aliens music video was the cover for Tickets To My Downfall. (at Toledo, Ohio) https://www.instagram.com/p/CEuZ2W_gQ55/?igshid=di0ir2w5mesz

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hviral · 5 years ago

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Making money off of politics isn’t new – it was business as usual in the Gilded Age

When the political leader “Boss” Tweed was arrested in New York on corruption charges in the fall of 1871, among his many assets was a luxury hotel.

Located up the road from City Hall, the Metropolitan was a 400-room, five-story building described at its 1852 opening as a site that “fairly dazzles and bewilders the visitor, and causes him to think of the palaces of ‘Arabian Nights’ tales.” Tweed had acquired the hotel at the peak of his political power. He renovated the Italian Renaissance-style building at great expense, and he turned over management to his son, Richard.

The city’s elite patronized the hotel from day one, and it was the epicenter of business and politics in New York. Tweed held court there when managing public affairs as the head of Tammany Hall, a powerful Democratic political machine.

His downfall, however, transformed the Metropolitan into an unlikely monument to scandal. Boss Tweed had bankrupted the city by embezzling funds while building himself a vast business empire.

Today, politics is again a place to make a fortune, at least for one prominent politician. Shortly before winning the 2016 election, Donald Trump celebrated the grand opening of Trump International Hotel, down the street from the White House. In 2018 alone, the D.C. hotel generated US$40 million in revenue by drawing heavily from a clientele with government business.

Unlike other modern presidents, Trump refuses to divest from personal business, raising the question where the search for profit ends and his public service begins.

But if the situation appears new, it is hardly unprecedented.

Party business

The Gilded Age, which lasted from the end of the Civil War to the turn of the 20th century, was a period when wealth flowed from success in politics.

Leaders in both parties became powerful and rich, building personal influence, crafting alliances, generating money and constructing the political machines necessary to win elections — all while serving in government.

When researching my upcoming book, “Electoral Capitalism: The Party System In New York’s Gilded Age,” I found political fortunes that were quite impressive. Politicians in New York and elsewhere made themselves into some of the country’s earliest millionaires.

During that period, what qualified individuals for party leadership was their ability to use the electoral system to finance a range of personal and political ventures.

For example, Tweed’s political ascent spawned an entire financial sector owned and managed by Tammany Hall.

As state senator, he supported the legislative charter of new savings banks headed by himself and other Tammany politicians. The capital of these banks came from city funds which Tweed controlled from his seat on the Board of Audit, corporate donors looking for political favors, religious charities receiving public subsidies and immigrant workers, who were encouraged to deposit their earnings. These Tammany banks helped to make Tweed the third-largest landowner in New York City.

The banking house Morton, Bliss & Company was built upon marketing U.S. government debt, a lucrative privilege secured by party connections in the Grant administration. Levi P. Morton then used his private firm to manage the personal finances of the day’s most influential Republicans, from Roscoe Conkling to James Blaine, before becoming himself a congressman, vice president and governor.

Morton’s firm sold U.S. debt in every administration from the 1870s onward, with the exception of the Democratic President Grover Cleveland, before selling to J.P. Morgan in 1909. Morton went into retirement as one of the wealthiest men of the day.

Gilded democracy

The politicans’ newfound wealth — mansions on Fifth Avenue or buying race tracks — generated a public outcry over the so-called “bogus aristocracy.”

In language common among working-class reformers, “John Swinton’s Paper” called upon voters to “up and cleanse” public office of the “filthy slugs, roaches, and bloated spiders that fatten on the stealings” from taxpayer money and corporate lobbies.

Where did the public till end and the private purse begin? It was not so clear. Virtually no laws, state or federal, existed to prevent self-dealing or embezzlement.

Private property was often treated as sacrosanct, however acquired, and politicians were skilled in making arguments about their fortune’s legitimacy. Fernando Wood became a millionaire by flipping public land during his several mayoral terms. Yet, throughout a long career Wood maintained he was a respectable “merchant.” Critics questioned his reputation, but they could do little else.

Personal enrichment was encouraged through public office-holding because profits fueled party politics. Then, as now, elections were expensive. Party committees were always in need of cash infusions. Few questions were asked about the origins of donated funds.

This period was also the spoils system’s heyday, when parties rewarded their supporters by giving them jobs and contracts.

Thomas Platt climbed the party ladder to the presidency of the U.S. Express Company by securing it generous federal subsidies as a congressman. Platt’s family took advantage of sweetheart company loans and paid themselves huge salaries.

An old question now

Is politics a legitimate way to become wealthy? Historical debates help to consider the role of money in politics today.

During the 19th century’s final decades, mass movements of farmers and laborers protested loudly against the growing wealth of politicians, as living conditions for them worsened.

Reformers from across the political spectrum believed the sudden growth of political fortunes was part of the problem — a “conspiracy of officeholders” is what George William Curtis, head of the Civil Service Reform Association, called it.

Still, no easy consensus was reached on the proper remedy.

Where reformers did agree was in the view that democracy was more than just another place to do business. Otherwise, competition shifts among politicians from a struggle for votes to a scramble over dollars, and the only policies advanced are those that line the pockets of party leaders and their patrons.

Jeff Broxmeyer, Assistant Professor of Political Science and Public Administration, University of Toledo

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craftycreationworld-blog · 7 years ago

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What can I say that hasn’t been said and still make it relevant. Maybe I have and maybe I haven’t but, I am going to talk about my mom’s anorexia.

While she and I did not share the same experiences and her battles began long before I was ever born, I was in the front lines witnessing what she was doing most of the time. She admitted to me when she was sick her battles with anorexia began when she was in elementary school. She had been horrifically abused by multiple people. Her own mom put her on diet pills and she wasn’t even fat. When she died she had just missed her 65th birthday. Now, I am not saying she did not have good years. Unfortunately her demons stayed with her throughout her life. At times more controlled than others but, the demons were there.

My mom was very smart. She excelled in nursing school. However that inclination to have to be perfect was her downfall. Her struggles were not reflected in her grades. My mom kept her room-mate up at night by wearing one of the suits that make you sweat and exercising all night long. It got to the point where my mom’s room mate needed to say something for her own sanity. My mom was asked to leave the nursing school at that time. Truthfully she was so small and sickly looking, she looked worse than the patients the student nurses took care during clinical. The nursing school said mom was welcomed to come back when her health returned. My grandma in the meantime took care of her at home giving her these high calorie shakes. I have no idea if any other outside intervention took place. Either way when my mom was doing better, she chose not to. As a result, my mom started working at Ohio Bell where she later met my dad.

Even if mom was doing well weight wise, mentally things weighed on her. When she married my dad, the ceremony was simple and no pictures were taken. My mom would not allow them. She absolutely hated her picture being taken. So much so that I was given instruction years later when she was dying not to include a picture in her obituary or I would be haunted and not in a good way.

I was born three years after my parents married. She was thrilled to have me but, unfortunately the parenting skills she learned from my grandma were not the best. I am not saying she did not love me. She loved me immensely. I understand why things happened and I respect and love my mom. Yes, some things happened that should not have happened. However, my mom was so much more than that and I focus on the beauty of her. My mom gave me so many wonderful things and many of them are not material which is even better.

When I was about two years old or so, my mom was pregnant with her second child. I have no memory of this. Partly because I was so young and partly because I was battling some medical issues of my own. My mom struggled with gaining weight during her second pregnancy. When my mom was considered at term, she was told by her doctor her baby was not going to make it. My younger sister had spinal bifida so bad she only had half a brain. The medical staff induced my mom and she had to endure the entire labor process. That had to have been hell. On the one hand you know what the doctor said, on the other hand you are praying God steps in with a miracle. From what I was told, my sister took two breaths and died. My mom did not get her miracle. During that same hospital stay, my mom had her tubes tied.

Throughout the years I remember glimpses of some of my mom’s unhealthy habits. She definitely cleaned more than what was necessary. She abused laxatives and water pills. I remember she always had ex lax on hand. I was later told by my aunt I got caught hoarding food under my bed. I honestly don’t know why and I have no memory of this. At the time, I was not battling a weight problem. Maybe as a child I could sense my mom’s battles. I really do not know. At one point mom would change some of our eating habits. We would have mock beef casseroles. In other words turkey.

Then my grandpa got sick with lung cancer. By the time they caught the cancer, it was pretty advanced. He still underwent treatment, but he lost his battle and passed away when I was in 8th grade. Then when my grandma came to live with us. I am sure the stress of it all did not help. My mom’s anorexia reared its head. I remember one time saying to my dad, I think mom had a problem. He tried to tell me he had a handle on it. I knew he was full of it but, I wasn’t about to tell him that. At some point my mom was hospitalized for dehydration. She was basically told she had to go to rehab.

I am not sure how many times mom was in therapy or rehab. I know she was not a fan of any of it and had a strong distrust later in life. Eventually my parents divorced. It was not good for her. There no longer was someone to have her back whether she liked it or not. I could only do so much. I was only allowed to do so much.

When my mom left Toledo in hopes that another town would give her a fresh start, she was maybe 110 pounds. She moved about two to two and half hours away. She loved the little town. Sometimes she would visit. Even though she complained, she did not always like getting visits. One time when she was in town staying with me and sleeping on my love seat, the love seat seemed to dwarf her tiny body. My mom was getting so small, I was almost afraid to hug her. She would keep us from visiting her I later learned after my mom had an accident or had a fall. My mom kept a lot from us.

When the doctors came in to tell her how extensive her cancer was, they were surprised the stomach cancer hadn’t been caught sooner. The doctors asked her if she had any pain over the past year. She replied “of course, I just ignored it”. That’s how my mom was. I knew something was wrong one day when I was talking to her on the phone. She always complained about being too full to eat. This time she complained of difficulty swallowing. That was new. I told my mom to call the doctor and let them know right away. I couldn’t drive down there since I had just finished a 12 hour shift and never would have made it safely. Mom contacted the doctors and the testing schedule began. By the time she had her operation, the cancer took over her entire stomach and the abdominal wall. My mom was dying.

Ironically when I was begging my mom to turn off the tube feed months later since it wasn’t doing her any good. Hardly any of it was able to get past her stomach and nourish her body, she told me, “I am afraid people will think I am starving myself to death”. Yea, the irony was not lost on me either. Mom finally agreed to stopping the tube feed and taking something for the pain. She passed away the next morning. As much as I miss her, I am happy she is finally free of her demons. My mom as a beautiful tragedy. She was truly and angel.

–Sarah Cobble

Anorexia and my mom What can I say that hasn't been said and still make it relevant. Maybe I have and maybe I haven't but, I am going to talk about my mom's anorexia.

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gillespialfredoe01806ld · 8 years ago

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Not-So-Mobile America: What Honolulu and Detroit Residents Have in Common

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Whether we’re setting out across the country or just changing neighborhoods, upgrading or downsizing—movin’ on up or movin’ on out—the idea of pulling up stakes has always been a core part of the American DNA. Our willingness and eagerness to move is emblematic of our faith in the idea that we can always make a fresh start in a new home.

But actually, we don’t move as often as we used to. Figures for 2015 show that only about 12% of Americans had swapped their address for a new one within the past year. In 1948, when the U.S. Census Bureau first collected moving data, the percentage of those who had moved within the past year was 20%.

We decided to take a look at the U.S. cities that have the most mobile populations—and those where people are most likely to stay in home, sweet home. To gauge which cities had the highest and which had the lowest number of residents moving to new homes—whether across the street or across the country—our data team reviewed the latest U.S. Census Bureau data. For each of the United States’ 100 largest cities, we calculated the percentage of households (both homeowners and renters) that had moved since 2010, to figure out where residents are most mobile.

Then we looked at the places where the largest percentage of households had been in the same home since 1990, to see where folks are staying put.

We found some surprising juxtapositions on our Top 10 “sticking around” list. Do Honolulu and Detroit really have so much in common? Turns out the cities were ranked high on the list for completely different reasons.

“There are two main determining factors whether people move or not,” says Nathalie Williams, a sociology professor from the University of Washington. The good: “The better people feel their lives are going, the less likely they are to move elsewhere.” The bad: Lousy economies can force people to head for greener pastures.

But of course, economic insecurity can also keep people in the same place.

After the housing bust in 2007, migration slowed down, because uncertainties about the job market had made people nervous about changing jobs and deciding to move on. They were less likely to upgrade to a bigger and nicer home. Plenty even found their homes deep underwater, and were unable to sell.

Now that the recession is over, mobility is finally picking up again, says Kenneth Johnson, a demographer at the University of New Hampshire. And jobs lure people, especially younger ones who haven’t put down deep roots, to new centers of employment.

So where are the folks the most and least mobile? The answers just might surprise you.

Detroit: When the going gets tough, the tough stay put

In the mid-20th century, Detroit, our least mobile city, drew thousands of workers, because it was the home of the Big Three automakers. But as the American auto industry lost market share and began to shed workers, the population dwindled. And while young people are streaming out, many longtime residents are staying put. The Census data show that 21.4% of Detroit families moved into their homes before 1990, the highest percentage in our study.

One reason is that owners are simply stuck in their homes.

About one in five Detroit homes is still seriously underwater, with a loan amount that is at least 25% higher than the property’s market value, according to ATTOM Data Solutions, a real estate information company. The median home value in Wayne County, where Detroit is located, is only $149,602, but the median loan amount is $161,965.

“If your house is upside down, you can’t move. You can abandon your house, but there’s no way to sell it,” says Eli Lehrer, president of R Street Institute, a policy research organization. He notes that people receiving government assistance typically have to reapply if they relocate to another state—and might not qualify, or have their benefits reduced.

Many Detroit residents live and shop near hulking vacant buildings that have been abandoned, overtaken by weeds, graffiti, and trash. But as the city recovers, its longtime residents are an integral part of the city’s growth, says Tahirih Ziegler, executive director of Local Initiatives Support Corporation, which promotes safe communities and affordable housing.

“Longtime residents stabilize their communities by mowing their lawns, keeping properties in good condition, investing in their homes. Overall, that’s helping the city stabilize the population,” Ziegler says.

Similar narratives of decline play out in Midwestern cities like Pittsburgh (No. 3), Cleveland (No. 6), and Toledo, OH (No. 7), after the steel industry’s downfall.

The high costs of moving often prevent the poorest folks from relocating, says retired New York University journalism professor William Serrin. Serrin wrote about the fate of a former steel town outside Pittsburgh in his book “Homestead: The Glory and Tragedy of an American Steel Town.”

“When you are 52 years old and have five kids, you don’t just move to Arizona—it’s just not in the cards,” Serrin says.

On the East Coast, Philadelphia (No. 4) and Baltimore (No. 5) are some of the country’s oldest cities. So it’s no surprise to see generations with deep ties to their metros.

Honolulu: Why ever leave?

Blue ocean waters, soft sand, mountains of Spam, and tropical weather all year round—it makes sense that people wouldn’t want to leave Honolulu, right?

But it also may come down to dollars and cents. The median list price of single-family home in this U.S. paradise is a whopping $730,000, according to realtor.com®. So while longtime homeowners stand to profit if they sell, they might not be able to afford another home in this town—or perhaps anywhere in Hawaii.

In addition, established homeowners benefit from the fact that the 50th state has, by far, the lowest property tax rates in the country.

And the unique culture of Hawaii binds people together.

Leonard Kam, 60, was born in Honolulu and runs Alicia’s Market, a general store that sells Chinese-style roast duck alongside Hawaiian poke bowls of marinated raw fish. His parents, who were originally from China, started the store in 1949 in a small wooden hut. Now Kam’s two sons help him develop new recipes. It’s a third-generation business, Kam says with pride.

“Honolulu is a small community. Everybody knows everybody, we are all family,” says his son Chris Kam. “You don’t move to the mainland unless you have to.”

New York and San Francisco: America’s meccas of the stubborn Once you go BK, you never go back.

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Once a New Yorker, always a New Yorker. Maybe it’s because it’s so hard to find a foothold—or a decent apartment—in this town, just as it is in San Francisco (No. 9). You hang on to what you can get for as long as you can. That’s why, despite skyrocketing home prices and rents, many residents have managed to stay in their homes for decades. And low housing inventories don’t make intercity moves easy.

About 16.1% of New Yorkers and 15.6% of San Franciscans have been living in the same home since 1990, according to Census data. That’s compared with 13% of the population nationally. Yes, gentrification is pricing out longtime residents in some areas, especially renters. But luckily, both cities have rent control or rent stabilization, which keep some renters in their homes.

A certain amount of stubbornness helps too.

Regina Karp, 78, a retired public school teacher, has lived in a rent-controlled apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan for 47 years. Her children grew up there and left, her husband passed away, and now she’s living by herself. For two bedrooms, she pays almost $3,000 a month, which she says is her entire pension. Still, she nevertheless refuses to leave.

“This is my apartment. I was born in New York City, I’ve lived here my entire life. All my friends are here. I’m simply not going to live in the middle of a suburb in Jersey,” Karp says.

Orlando: Life beyond Shamu

Outsiders may think of Orlando as the home of Mickey Mouse and poor Shamu, but increasingly, this is the city that leads Florida in job creation. The metro added 50,300 jobs in December, according to the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity.

Health care is one of the fastest-growing local employment sectors: Orlando’s newest asset is a medical research park with a medical school, three major hospitals, and multiple research labs. The city even benefits from the Disney World expansion, including an “Avatar”-themed addition opening in May and a “Star Wars”-themed addition that is in the planning phase.

Orlando sprawl

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All this economic prosperity means that more people are moving here—and those already established may now have the means to upgrade their living situation.

“Economic development is usually glacial, but it’s been like a volcano erupting in Orlando. The development happened very rapidly,” says Sean Snaith, director of the Institute for Economic Competitiveness with the University of Central Florida in Orlando.

Orlando is trying out different remedies for its infamous sprawl, from bike rentals to commuter rail.

Nevada: A good place to start a business

The low cost of living and business-friendly atmosphere also makes Nevada an appealing place to call home. Reno (No. 3), the self-proclaimed “Biggest Little City in the World” has long been better known as a pauper’s version of Las Vegas. But put all that aside: The place is fast becoming a high-tech manufacturing hub. A few miles east of Reno, Tesla’s Gigafactory manufactures batteries for its electric cars.

“We have no corporate tax, no income tax, a very pro-business government,” says Mike Kazmierski, president of the Economic Development Authority of Western Nevada. That makes it easier for newcomers as well as locals to become entrepreneurs.

Big brother Las Vegas (No. 4), too, is adding people in its many master-planned communities. The high cost of living in Los Angeles and San Diego is pushing Californians to look for greener pastures—or even desert living.

Jacob Orth, a 29-year-old hospitality worker, moved to Vegas from San Jose four years ago. At the time he left, San Jose was the most expensive housing market in the country (it still is). Orth says he cut his living costs by half after the move. And he’s not alone—millennials are flocking to Vegas for its abundant entry-level jobs.

“The big secret about the Las Vegas area is that it’s a lot more family-oriented than people realize. The Strip is kind of like its own little world; once you get outside it, life is pretty normal,” says Orth, who writes about Sin City in his blog, “Jacob’s Life in Vegas.”

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Texas’ population boom

It’s hard not to see the appeal of Austin (No. 5): with the booming tech scene, friendly people, great live music, and amazing barbecue, just for starters. No wonder 20-something engineers, boomer corporate hot shots, and even retirees are flocking to the place. And plenty of them live in sweet high-rise apartments that were built over the past decade.

Grandmother Susi Spies moved to Austin two years ago, to be close to her children and their families.

“My children asked me to babysit for them, but I’m too busy having fun [with] food trucks, hiking trails, bat-watching cruises,” says Spies, president of Austin Newcomers, an association that connects new residents with one another and to their new neighborhoods. “It’s an amazing city.”

Texas’ population boom is no secret, but few cities add people as fast as Irving (No. 2), a suburb of Dallas. Home to ExxonMobil, and surrounded by corporation headquarters, like those of AT&T and J.C. Penney, the city’s flourishing job market is powering its exponential growth.

Fast turnover in college towns

Some of America’s most transient cities are college towns. In addition to Austin, there are Irvine, CA (No. 7), Madison, WI (No. 8), and Durham, NC (No. 9). For obvious reasons, incoming students and departing graduates help raise the turnover figures as they move back home or to different parts of the country to start careers.

“College towns are more transient, because new students come every year, and four years later, they are out,” says Realtor Alex Saloutos of First Weber Realtors in Madison. Plus, they tend to move around quite a bit during their tenure. “Students don’t buy homes, they rent.”

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Not-So-Mobile America: What Honolulu and Detroit Residents Have in Common

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Then we looked at the places where the largest percentage of households had been in the same home since 1990, to see where folks are staying put.

But of course, economic insecurity can also keep people in the same place.

So where are the folks the most and least mobile? The answers just might surprise you.

Detroit: When the going gets tough, the tough stay put

One reason is that owners are simply stuck in their homes.

Similar narratives of decline play out in Midwestern cities like Pittsburgh (No. 3), Cleveland (No. 6), and Toledo, OH (No. 7), after the steel industry’s downfall.

“When you are 52 years old and have five kids, you don’t just move to Arizona—it’s just not in the cards,” Serrin says.

On the East Coast, Philadelphia (No. 4) and Baltimore (No. 5) are some of the country’s oldest cities. So it’s no surprise to see generations with deep ties to their metros.

Honolulu: Why ever leave?

Blue ocean waters, soft sand, mountains of Spam, and tropical weather all year round—it makes sense that people wouldn’t want to leave Honolulu, right?

In addition, established homeowners benefit from the fact that the 50th state has, by far, the lowest property tax rates in the country.

And the unique culture of Hawaii binds people together.

“Honolulu is a small community. Everybody knows everybody, we are all family,” says his son Chris Kam. “You don’t move to the mainland unless you have to.”

New York and San Francisco: America’s meccas of the stubborn Once you go BK, you never go back.

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A certain amount of stubbornness helps too.

“This is my apartment. I was born in New York City, I’ve lived here my entire life. All my friends are here. I’m simply not going to live in the middle of a suburb in Jersey,” Karp says.

Orlando: Life beyond Shamu

Orlando sprawl

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All this economic prosperity means that more people are moving here—and those already established may now have the means to upgrade their living situation.

Orlando is trying out different remedies for its infamous sprawl, from bike rentals to commuter rail.

Nevada: A good place to start a business

Las Vegas

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Texas’ population boom

Grandmother Susi Spies moved to Austin two years ago, to be close to her children and their families.

Fast turnover in college towns

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