#wicked liir

[officersnickers]

I will never go not insane about Liir basically radicalizing himself, much like Elphaba did, with directly going (or better, flying) against the Emperor aka bitch ass Wizard replacement. And you know I#d go even more insane if there was any chance for an adaptation of "Son of a Witch" with Liir using the same war declaration as Elphaba, with Glinda standing right there and then with Trism and having the biggest flashback of her dear life 😔

[azural83]

The limited time fiyero spent with dorothy probably made him realize that he's a girl dad

[reybitesback]

twitter saw him first but here's Liir! wanted to do my own take on him (and make him movieverse gelphie lovechild). hes a cutie i love him

[txicyuri]

thinking about that one gelphie fic

[ichiwashername-o]

Liir brain rot go BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I am being enabled and I can't stop help.

This is stupid please enjoy

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Also, inspiration from this came from a bit of an IRL scenario. I have two cousins who were pregnant at roughly the same time. One had an incredibly easy pregnancy, very little issues, hardly any of the typical ailments, birth was straightforward and simple, no stress no worries. But the other cousin? ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE PREGNANCY. Every day was torture. This poor woman endured every agony known to womankind to then shove a 9 lb baby out of her tiny 120lb frame THIS POOR WOMAN.

Knowing Elphaba, I headcanon her as also having a rough pregnancy so she'd grab Fiyero by the neck and say "NO MORE I'M DONE"

[rainbowfish1099]

fiyero: liir if you don’t eat your vegetables the wicked witch of the west is gonna get you!

elphaba: that’s NOT funny

(later)

elphaba: you know i love you but you really do drive me crazy sometimes <3

fiyero: what are you gonna do about it? stuff your mattress with me? please? please? please? please?

elphaba: ok bye nvm

[thetametoast]

I just finished reading the book "Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West".

It wasn't the best book I've ever read, but it had some nice scenes. One particular scene is when Liir asks Elphaba to come with him, and for some reason, it stayed in my mind and turned into this picture. :)

I also really love the derpy crows hehe ~

[daughter-of-sapph0]

and thats how Liir was born

[phantomstatistician]

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[penguin--nipples]

truly nothing has affected me the way that reading the wicked years this past week is affecting me I have a million disorganized thoughts and I'm only partway through son of a witch:

Glinda and Elphaba's relationship is so much more fleshed out in the books than it is in the musical - the yearning and the pining and Elphaba showing up at the cloister of St glinda over and over again

Elphaba has two soulmates and that affects me deeply what do you mean someone who feels like they could never be loved has two soulmates

Why the fuck did Gregory include a line about Fiyero shitting his guts out right before dying?? Did the guy at the bar poison him?? Did the guy at the bar purposefully show him the bears being killed/hurt and then poison him?

Elphaba and her son both being bisexual disasters is actually my favorite thing

Elphaba and Fiyeros deaths both occur somewhat 'offscreen' and there is no evidence of their bodies

BOQ in the book is such a loveable character I despised him in the musical

Glinda is absolutely bat shit but also some kind of intuitive genius, the way she sees Fiyero after a decade and immediately deduces he's fucking somebody and minutes later says something along the lines of "send my love to elphie". And the way she interacts with Liir for the first time is also absolutely insane, but she also instinctively knows by the end of her conversation with him that he is Elphaba's son

Why is Nanny immortal? And how did Chistery learn to talk so well with her as the only human around?

As much as I hated watching Liir get bullied I loved the chapters at kiamo ko with sarima/her sisters and Nanny randomly showing up to terrorize the group, nothing like a found family of mostly women

I understand the queer reading of Elphaba's character obviously, but I don't understand why people think she is intersex. The book literally states "Only after a second and third rub was it clear that the child was indeed feminine. Perhaps in labor some bit of organic effluvia had become caught and quickly dried in the cloven place." - I always read this more as an acknowledgement of what Sarima explains later on as hot and cold anger and Elphaba having both. I feel like this is more of a trans allegory or that Elphaba has elements of being male and female (2 Spirit?)/a dissolution of gender, than her being intersex. and yet this rumour persists among discussion posts and boards, making it feel like a real life propaganda trail for the book since I've seen it said in the context of "woahhh the book is so much freakier than the movie omg". Although I guess it could be androgen insensitivity syndrome as well

What the FUCK is Yackle? She is described as the opposite of a guardian angel but idk what that means

Did gelphie fuck or not I'm so confused, they "spent a night together" and I see people saying they canonically had sex and maybe it's the nature of the book enjoying switching perspectives every time something interesting happened but I feel like they didn't? Or it's something I haven't read yet?

I feel like Liir becomes an audience surrogate when he goes into Southstairs guided by Shell - this is genuinely how it felt reading the books sometimes, he saw Shell be sketchy multiple times before putting it together like 'wait are you having sex with them???' which is basically me every time Gregory implied a sex scene subtly, making me not super sure if it happened or not

[moon-axolotl]

The Thropp family line is pervasive in generations of emotional neglect and abuse. They are, however, deeply connected by 4 generations of doomed bisexuality and toxic polyamory representation 🥰

[officersnickers]

Okay, so the end of "Out of Oz" made me think - Liir throws a shoe at Shell aka The Emperor aka the Dictator that ruled Oz almost to the ground aka his uncle he hated since he was barely a teen. And I don't know if it's confirmed but I remember reading the musical version of "Wicked" was slightly changed due to the Iraq War of 2003 and definitly less political than the original books (and those that followed).

Back to the shoe throwing and I'm to 99% sure this wasn't the influence of the scene but I can't help but believing in the 1% 🤔

[musicalyeetreblr]

Liir: lady Glinda can you please help me find Nor

Glinda:

[mx-kit]

People have been doing Liir form the books as a Gelphie kid instead so heres my version of them (they/he, gave them a tail, hair is untameable partially because hes autistic and doesnt like anyone touching, teef)

[gelphiesupremacy]

Elphaba got pregnant with Liir right before Fiyero died so what if it’s the same in the musical. I KNOW they did more than just kiss after As Long As You’re Mine

[ichiwashername-o]

Just curious. What would your character design for Fiyeraba’s son Liir look like?

I do! First we have an ooooooooold drawing of him I did way back in 2009:

And now have a much needed update from 2025!

Talk about a glow-up!