#why not focus on only one person?? like the comic thing?? cause im stupid and panicked and now i feel stupid

[starlooove]

ok I'm NOT much of a DC reader but your dukeblogging has convinced me. but do you have a reading list (DC has more crises than I do. it's intimidating) by any chance

YEAHAHSJS

Ok so like Im not a REAL dc blogger so I don’t really have my own reading list; I basically focus heavily on black characters across the board and then dive into wherever they’re from but I usually use other reading lists to do it and go at my own (slow ass) pace. For DC i started fandom only and then moved on to actually reading comics which is why my opinions are so strong there bc I KNOW WHAT YALL ARE LIKE!

Sorry but now for Duke specifically I KNOW there’s a specifc blogger who’s list I followed down to the T but I cannot remember their url rn so here’s a list/chart that has like. Listings for him specifically

That’s mostly to follow timeline but for me I think to get his character down u could do all star Batman, Batman and the signal, the outsiders, WAR and then branch out from there (but also saying this as someone who’s read most of it so like maybe I’m biased and missing or forgetting smth). I’m sorry if this isn’t helpful but as SOON as I find that reading list I’m posting it bc I swear I literally went down that list one by one.

Edit: the tags are part of the answer but I ran out of room so post tags;

- tbh when it comes down to it I personally try to absorb character by character and then put them all together at the end; it’s what I’m currently doing with green arrow (I know it’s been months y’all don’t call paw patrol I’m STUPID) and my plan for moving forward but also fully acknowledging this sucks as a way to interact with other established fans however. Other established fans have proven to be racist and misunderstand characterization and character interaction on a fundamental level SOMETIMES (BC y’all get mad) bc they’re so focused on their faves so in conclusion If I don’t find the specific lists I used I’d get them from stan blogs and then be careful cause u know everyone’s using their faves BEST comics so just remember this is what THEY think is the best or most accurate Interpretation and u don’t have to agree (RR the road home and YJ98 sorry to be shitting on them again. Not even them but how ppl read them. Diff story tho)

-but also despite me obviously shitting on certain characters runs or interpretations I think the best thing you could do is give everyone a fair chance. Blank slate in ur mind if ur JUST starting and see where u go from there but also remember to check ur biases and think about WHY certain things get included or retconned or explained away bc that’s where a lot of ppl falter in thinking their fave is just misunderstood or smth.

FOUND THE LIST sorry this has been in and out for the drafts while searching so in conclusion FR;

I hope this helped but I think I sound insane just please read these <3

[scruffyssketchbook]

im glad your moving more towards comedy and doing what you love for the comic! personally I've always been a big "plot" fan- I just love that for a story that is seemingly so silly and funny and childish on the outside, it has layers and character development and tragedy, yet can still remain happy and upbeat and goofy and, well, stupid. I'm not sure if you've ever watched Centaurworld, but SSEC gives me similar vibes of a story about a tragedy that lives in a super comedic/"magical" world that balances the tragedy and comedy together instead of completing becoming one or the other.

personally, ive never thought of SSEC as depressing? never once, even on the most darkest pages, have I thought of it as depressing. "edgy," perhaps, but I liked that, because it was a silly kind of edgy. an edgy that is serious- these characters' emotions and stories are real to them and they have their bad days, their absolutely awful days, but they can still do silly things.

i mean, Harmony, Miku, Bow, and similar are all my favorite characters. i loved Miku for being (or at least acting/pretending to be) insane in a yandere, "kill-for-my-true-love" kind of way, but also knowing she was Sora and that she had this wonderfully tragic story and that she wasn't a two-dimensional joke character but someone capable of love and wanting love and who could genuinely be nice and sweet and timid. I loved Harmony for being absolutely miserable, for being a character who feels so realistic because she wallows in her own misery and takes her anger out on everyone else when she really only has her self to blame in the end. I loved Bow for being a bully and a Mean Popular Girl who picked on Eve, and that she has her "reasons" for doing so but also she really has no excuse for bullying and excluding... and the backstory that she had once been so kind and caring to Eve! I ate it up! I also loved Eevui but i dont have a reason for loving him lmao

ive been loving the more "story driven" chapters recently, but i wont be sad to see a return to comedy focus. the fluffy outside was what drew me in anyway!

id also just like to say that i think the reason you couldnt find any real criticism is because your audience tends to skew younger? like, 10yo-kid vibes. kids who just really love pokemon and eevees especially and are just here for fun but are also kids and complain a lot and whine when things dont go there way. and if not younger, then, well, perverted, because the pokemon fandom is strangely perverted. which isnt to saw the entire SSEC fandom is either young or perverted (or both), just that it seems like a majority fall into one of two categories (on the Tumblr side of the fandom anyway, not sure what the Discord fandoms like!)

anyway i just love your work and im glad you can get back to enjoying it <3333

Author Chan: Ha ha ha, thank you so much!!!!! I am genuinely glad you enjoy the characters!!!

My goal is to keep the chapters story driven while plugging in the comedy more and making the drama less of a focus (it’ll still be there) also fixing a lot of plot things. (Like. A lot)

And, with the criticism thing. Ssec’s audience skews younger (I’d say middle school aged) but I was asking the more older fans. And like. They were CAPABLE of doing it cause after I started listening to ES fan stuff, the older, passionate ssec fans all of a sudden came together to criticize SSEC out of nowhere for hours on end. Best stuff I have gotten imo. It’s just that people were saying sorry to me for doing it after, which kinda shows why they didn’t do it beforehand. =w=;;

[falloutjay]

Can you please do Mysterion falling in love with a Civilian reader?

I was done much faster than expected honestly!

And Im pretty happy with my outcome and I hope so are you. I love Mysterion/ Kenny and was super happy to see a request for him, so thank you for that! (ɔ◔︣‿◔︣)ɔ ❤

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Mysterion x civillian!reader

“Stretch here….Ah….And a stretch there…Ha..” A deep voice mumbled. The tall and hooded figure enjoyed the newfound relieve and his eyes wandered once more over the streets below him.

Just an hour and Toolshed would take over.

Tonight, the hero known as Mysterion was bored out of his mind. Nothing really happened. No robberies. No drunk people causing problems. Not even a little bit of arguing.

He was happy of course, that nothing happened means that they did their job well. But a five-hour shift of just looking out and being on guard if anything happens can be annoying from time to time. Kenny, his civilian name, was just done for tonight.

He had this horrible headache, that came back ever so often after an especially violent fight with his arch nemesis Professor Chaos.

His body longed for a good long sleep and he was even a little hungry.

Oh, how he would kill for that half-eaten Bagel that was in the fridge at the hero hideout.

“Focus.” Mysterion reminded himself again and took a deep breath.

“Toolshed will be here soon, then we can sleep. We do this for Karen.” Just thinking about his little sister helped him regain control of his wandering thoughts and to get a better look at the city below him, he sat down at the edge of the building he was on and let his legs dangle in the air.

The streets looked so peaceful at… Blue eyes scanned the smartwatch display… 1 in the morning already.

Lazily, but still attentively those same blue eyes wandered from left to right and right to left, taking in everything that was going on, which wasn’t much. Just some people chatting her and there since he was close to the bars and clubs of the city.

Nothing of interest until a person caught his eye. They were young and seemingly alone, walking at a quick pace and looking somewhat out of place as they didn’t look like your typical party goer.

So naturally the hero was intrigued. He carefully got up and followed the young person that walked on the streets below.

Elegantly he jumped from rooftop to rooftop to keep up with the somewhat fast person he followed.

He didn’t do this because he was some kind of creep, but his gut feeling told him this was the right thing. Something seemed fishy and his gut had never disappointed him before.

And it really never disappointed him before, but he felt like an idiot after five more minutes of following. Maybe for once his gut was wrong? It looked like they arrived at their home and tried unlocking their door.

Mysterion let out a sigh, questioning if Toolshed had maybe already arrived? Just as he was about to turn around, he heard a commotion from below.

He peeked over the edge and the person he was following was now pressed against the door they had tried to open. Some tall man held them there and looked rather angry.

“I will never doubt you again.” Mysterion mumbled as he got ready to jump down. He landed as quiet as a cat and approached the two.

“Don’t lie to me Y/N. Why were you there?”

“Like I said, I just went and got my books back. Stop following me or I will call the police.”

“Don’t try to bullshit me, dipshit.”

“Leave them alone.” Mysterion now called out and stood firm just a few feet away.

“Wha-” The man mumbled, letting go of the other person. He now approached the hero and mustered him.

“What kind of clown are you?” He said and got all up in Mysterions face. The blonde could easily smell the alcohol in his breath as he asked the question.

“The only clown I see is you.” Mysterion growled, trying to look as intimidating as he could.

Which he did with ease.

The man scoffed, looking at the person he had followed one more time before leaving angrily.

Mysterion approached the still shocked person leaning on their door. “You alright?” Now Mysterions had the time to properly look at their face and he felt warm inside, despite the cold air.

“Yeah, I’m okay, thanks to you. Thank you for getting rid of him.” The blonde loved the sound of their voice. Wow, it sounded so brilliant and lovely in his ears.

“Who was that anyway?” Mysterion questioned as the person opened the door.

“My stupid jealous ex. It has been over for ages now, but he just keeps bugging me. I was picking up some book from my study buddy and he must have gone crazy.”

“Glad to hear he is an ex.” Mysterion said charmingly, a confident smile on his lips. “Yeah, me too.” The person kept standing there, not making a move to actually go inside just yet.

“May I know your name?” Mysterion asked. “It is Y/N. May I know my saviors name?” They asked, cocking their head and with a bright smile on their face.

“Mysterion.”

“You’re one of those heroes who watches over the town right? Like in the comics?” The hero laughed. His smokey voice was like a bittersweet melody in Y/N ears.

“Pretty much yeah.”

“That’s so cool honestly. That I would get a hero’s help someday… How lucky I must be. Maybe we will see each other again, Mysterion?” “I sure hope so. Good night, Y/N.”

Mysterion said, turning around to climb up a drainpipe to get back on the roofs. “Good night, Mysterion!” Y/N called out before disappearing inside.

Up on the roof, the hero could finally let go of his super serious façade and immediately he bit his lip. Normally he had no trouble keeping his civilian persona and Mysterion separate but goddamn that Y/N?

They actually had him stumble over his thoughts for a second.

“Okay, lets meet up with Toolshed and then we are fine.” He said to himself and quickly went on his way.

 A gloved hand went through golden locks and a dreamy sigh escaped pale peach lips. The owner of said things almost jumped up in surprise when a hand slammed down on his desk.

That hand belonged to a fellow superhero, named Human Kite. The most serious hero they had in their organization.

“Okay, what’s going on? You’re getting sick? Got shot? You’re not focused at all Mystery.” “Stop with that nickname or I’m gotta start calling you Human.”

“Fine…Fine.” The Human Kite said and sat on Mysterions desk. “I’m fine though, thanks for asking. I just had had an interesting encounter.” The redhaired hero raised an eyebrow.

“The high and mighty, super serious Mysterion is actually smiling and lost in thought? Must have been someone special…”

“I think…” Mysterion started and looked around, biting his lip. “I think I met my Mary-Jane or Lois Lane.” With a smug expression Mysterion looked up to the redhead.

“Damn, really? Must have been a real beauty, because I only know you as this super serious dude who everyone fears when they first see you.”

Mysterion leaned back in his chair, laughing. “Trust me, they are. Pretty h/c-colored hair, stunning e/c eyes and a body to die for.” Human Kite almost fell of the desk laughing.

“They really got ya. Better hope they like you too and are willing to be your Mary-Jane.” Kite chuckled, got up and walked away.

“Ah, come on, instead of being jealous I found someone pretty, go suck Toolshed’s dick. We all know you want it!”

Kite gave him the middle finger before leaving the facility. “You know it’s the truth.”

Mysterion shrugged, a big smile plastered across his face. Mosquito, who overheard the conversation over from his desk eyed Mysterion as he out his feet up.

“So, any plan in mind now, bsss?” He asked and looked over.

“I actually do, my Mosquito friend.”

 Y/N was on their way home. It has been an exhausting day. Right now, they just wanted to get home, lay on the couch and sleep. While searching for their keys, they felt like they were being watched.

“Come on, not today…” They mumbled, sincerely hoping their ex would not bother them today. Y/N quickly opened their mailbox, snatched the letters, and went inside, feeling relieved as soon as they got to sit on the couch.

After a few minutes, which they used to decompress, they looked through the mail.

“Bill, advertisement, trash, bill…Huh?” A blank envelope was left and curiously, Y/N opened it.

Their e/c eyes scanned over the neatly written words and immediately their inside felt all fuzzy and warm.

 “Dear Y/N,

I am not a man of many words nor can I write good letters.

But I have to say, I can’t get you out of my mind. My colleagues are already bullying me for it, saying you’re my Lois Lane or Mary-Jane.

If you would like to see me again, come to the old building next to the Raisins tomorrow night. I’ll be there at midnight, waiting for you.

M?”

[raisedandeaten]

the first picture looks like shit they all look like shit why did i do this fuck i feel inadequate

here you go. happy fuckin christmas hope you like them @howaremonstersborn

kevin day

whatever it takes, hollywood undead // morir cantando, shaka ponk // one too many, new medicine // egoist, kent //sober, FIDLAR  // pop song, STRFKR // black me out, against me! // bad habit, FIDLAR //

aaron minyard

game over, falling in reverse // i hate everyone, mindless self indulgence // bite my tongue, you me at six // the mother we share, chvrches // beaten in lips, beartooth // flying model rockets, the front bottoms // neon brother, nothing but thieves // afraid, the neighbourhood // blackout stout, FIDLAR // stupid decisions, FIDLAR //

nicky hemmick

twisted minda, shaka ponk // teen idle, marina and the diamonds // my name is stain, shaka ponk // even angels cry, reece mastin // into the storm, BANNERS // white on white, FIDLAR // shitty jobz, FIDLAR //

jean moreau

one more, beartooth // goats in trees, foster the people // human, of monsters and men // sadness disease, urban cone // stop me when you’ve had enough, nural // be your shadow, the wombats // black me out, against me! // you found me, the fray // gasoline, halsey //

[softer-ua]

in regards to what you pointed out a few posts ago, ngl one of my least favorite fandom things is when they make Kaminari the Har Har Stupid Joking ADHD Bi Playboy Who Is Never Serious Trope. like, he's very smart, 'worst in ___ area of a UA course' is very impressive and I don't remember if it even said that or just that he was studying with some other students, worried about his grades overall, calls himself stupid with implied insecurities about it, and didn't think he was very smart compared to the other people in the course. quirk overuse makes him loopy, incoherent, and think everything's funny. and yeah, he's a bit of a flirt and made a few perverted comments and actions that he clearly didn't think through that well. I'm pretty sure he's not ever stated to be bi in the manga because it was written by a coward, so I think people should think more about why they're associating and pairing together the idea of "hot flirty playboy who if legally able would sleep with everyone he meets" with emphasis or joke in the captions of whatever the content is on him being bi. I don't think this is inherently bad, even put together, but the execution feels kind of :/ and shallow. and I mainly just wish they'd pause to consider if there's any reason (subconscious or intentional) why one of those makes them think about the other, and at the very least lean back to see if they're blatantly making those traits centric around each other and tweak how they're showing them a little. Part of this is also because it's basically his fanon sexuality, but then they stick together "oh he's bi and everyone thinks that" and "he's made flirty or perverted comments and actions in canon at some point" and then mentally exaggerate and have this Canon Image of him as *waves hand at above* and I don't think that's happening consciously in most cases but. again. Cookiecutter Bi Party Playboy Who's Made a Date Offer to Everyone In The Building. not a flirty Person or a Playboy who is bi and flirts with more than one genders

I myself headcanon him as adhd and while the exact sexuality depends on my mood I think of/have him as bi in a lot of my content, but it's the same thing with why non adhd people see how he acts and label "adhd!" Especially about comprehension speed and derpy acting and intelligence and attention span jokes/tropes. Again, not bad in and of itself, but the specific parts of his behavior that make them think he's adhd, or that they start making jokes about or Ha Ha ADHD'ing, or that they think is why we project ADHD on him, (which they aren't necessarily wrong about, but like right in a really disrespectful look at how funny this is oh look squirrel way that's only funny when adhd people are doing it and it isn't all mocking like that) when they see other people calling him adhd, are the wrong ones, I think, and it shows in their characterization of him.

I'm not saying that any of those traits are bad in a character, but as a queer adhd girl with very high annual test scores and Gifted Kid Intelligence but extremely poor grades, focus, and brain damage (admittedly nothing like his, it was a longterm passive thing that mainly just made me have a Lot of Really Bad headaches, and closest thing it did to me was make me sluggish and emotional on bad days and also techincally have the potential kill my language bit if left untreated or the surgery messed up, which it didn't, and it won't be a problem again. but even after explaining that it wasn't cancer or any sort of tumor, and after seeing it do very little at all to affect my behavior outside of irritability and performance, because y'know, constant migraines, gone after the surgery but this was before that, Certain People I Was Vaguely Kind Of Acquaintances With started to treat my like I was a fragile glass thing going to to drop dead and revive myself speaking like a comic relief cartoon crazy person at any moment which was. patronizing.) I've since had surgery for, the way the fandom combines them into stereotypes and portrays them really just rubs me the wrong way- "Flirty Bi(tm) Playboy" "Har Har ADHD Can't Focus Or Get Things After They're Explained To Him, He's Still Confused And An Idiot" "Stupid Person With Brain Damage Who Can't Take Care Of Or Think For Themself And Acts Stupid And Funny For People To Laugh At" which tbh is super ableist even and especially when people irl do fit that description, and also reminds me of the Autistic Person Freaking Out And Being Dramatic sense of humor. And I know it's not helped by canon, because it done for comic relief and to limit his powers, but explored more I think it as a limitation could have been used way more interestingly than canon did and also call me biased but that quirk induced brain frying sounds at least as concerning as Izuku's quirk's backlash.

And it's a shame!! Because he's so much more interesting than that! Instead, the fandom gives me the Cookicutter Funny Bi ADHD Flirt Who's An Idiot and I am sad about it.

tbh it reminds me of what happened to percy jackson, esp with the ADHD Idiot Trope thing. which sucks because apparently it originated in the author making up stories around characters like his adhd and dyslexic kid inspired by Greek myths to tell him after running out of actual myths because it was his special interest and he wanted more. and then the series got kind of all over the place and the fandom processed that the adhd and dyslexic main character who does dumb things sometimes but is very combat smart and great at strategizing and leading gets bad grades and has trouble focusing and has, y'know, adhd, and made him the ADHD Idiot and erased his Gifted Kid girl friend's traits and ADHD and dyslexia into No Nonsense Calls Him an Idiot And Thinks He's Stupid And Has To Tell Him What To Do And Manage His Life For Him and honestly that just kind of sucks and it reminds me of what happened to fandom Kaminari. and now that I think of it people have jirou like that around him a lot too.

im fine with you answering this publicly if you want or have something to add but probably tag as ableism and maybe a biphobia mention content warning for people who don't have the energy to deal with thinking about those kinds of negative things rn because I kind of Went Off About It

I love this! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experiences 💚(and double thank you for tag suggestions)💚

I couldn’t agree more that a lot of fandom has messed up Kami’s character, which is why I’ve kinda been posting more about him cause he’s just stuck in my head.

I think a lot of fandoms have trouble with characters like this, people have a hard time with duality in characters and fast/fun posts are easier to make if you flatten a character down.

The did it to Kami, they did it to Percy, they did it to Ron Weasley, they do it to Thor, the list goes on. If being the Smart One ™️ isn’t your thing and you can be goofy than you get pigeonholed into the idiot trope.

I feel for Kami a lot(probably because I have adhd/brain damage too)

It sucks when you’re smart but it’s not the traditional, measurable kind of smart(even if by national comparison Kami technically is).

I got terrible grades growing up, and I pretty much got the absolute lowest gpa you can get and still graduate. But absolutely no one would have known if I didn’t tell them, because I’m not dumb.

(It’s okay if you are “dumb”, I love me a head empty just vibes friend. You’re 100% valid, stil worthy of joining discussions, and should be listened to and taken seriously. This just isn’t about that tho)

I joke sometimes that I’m clever and witty but not smart, because that’s exactly what it feels like.

I have lots of thoughts and ideas that I think I articulate pretty well, I am excellent at finding the humor in things and expressing it in a way that’s funny to others too, and there is almost zero problems I can’t find a work around. And the people in my life love it, and they love to use it.

But eventually everyone in my life finds out that I’m not smart. They see the way I have to pause to Google how to calculate a tip, that I don’t know the name of all 50 states or even where to find them on a map, or I legitimately just can not spell (if you ever see a post where it looks like I used a weird word choice it’s probably because I tried 4 times and autocorrect+Google couldn’t help me and voice to text wasn’t an option)

No one ever questions my intelligence until they find out about my adhd and/or catch me struggling with it. After the mask comes off it’s like they can’t even hear me anymore, nothing I say could be true or matter because I’m now just the goofy accident prone spacy girl. My family literally calls me Spacy

And ya know what sometimes I just let people think that because it’s easier, it’s easier than explaining that I’m dyslexic and that I didn’t have a single geography/history clas until 10th grade and shocker the capital of Iowa doesn’t come up much by then. And it’s easier for me to laugh off losing my keys again than dwell on the fact that sometimes it feels like I’m losing my marbles.

And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if after this post I get a lot more “fact checkers” and push back on anything else I post.(not talking about people who want to genuinely engage,y’all are always welcome, I’m talking those people who don’t wanna look it up themselves but no longer trust me to know what I’m talking about)

Kami is a sweet brilliant boy. He’s in a nationally high ranking school, he loves the weather channel, he’s careful about his quirk that could easily hurt his friends in combat, he has a very high emotional intelligence level, he wears dorky shirts with electricity puns on them, and he pays attention to his friends and remembers a lot of little things about them.

He wants to be a hero and he takes that seriously, and the series has tried time and time again to tell y’all that smiling and laughter are an important part of that. Kami excels at this part! So what if his history grades don’t rival the top of the class, the top 5 students would struggle hard to do what Kami does.

Iida can’t relax, Momos rather shy, Todo struggles with social cues, Midoriya is canonically not funny, and jfc where to even begin with Katsuki. I’m certain they’ll all grow up to be excellent heros in their own right, but none of them are going to bring the level of joy and camaraderie that Denki can. You can’t test that into someone.

Kami also just notices people differently and has any easy way of joining in with them, he doesn’t struggle approaching Katsuki or Shinso. Sure he doesn’t hit the the nail on the head the same way Deku does but he’s the only one who has the guts and skills to try. Also he’s not that kinda friend, he’s not looking to a save these guys but pal around with them

I think Kami 100% realizes what a special case and tough nut to crack Bakugo is, I don’t think he’s just careless or too dumb realize his life’s at stake or whatever.

I think he’s purposely testing Bakugos boundaries all while trying to not be a threat to Katsukis actual ego and calling Bakugo out when he needs it in a way that not to serious. Kami knows how to be just goofy enough that he’s approachable. He’s also keyed in that the way to Bakugo is through Deku, meanwhile everyone else is stuck believing the opposite.

Kami also realized how important music is to Jiro and saw an opportunity to let her display her skills and combin the two worlds she lives, and he wasn’t afraid to get some back lash from her for it.

Like Deku Kami isn’t afraid to be uncomfortable. You really can’t teach that level of social ease, you can teach the posture and feed people a couple of lines but it’ll never hit the same. Funny approachable people have spent a lifetime learning the craft, usually out of necessity.

It’s actually what gives me the biggest adhd vibes from him, because adhd is (speculated to be) a dopamine deficiency disorder. People with adhd are constantly trying to raise their dopamine levels, and that means looking for praise and reward and nothing makes the human brain light up faster than postative human connections.

Adhd children struggle a lot with connecting with peers and often find making people laugh a fast way into people’s circles and makes it more likely people will overlook being interrupted or spaced out on.

Also adhd people are pretty much forced by their own brain structures to be genuine in all they do, low dopamine levels make it very hard to do things you don’t enjoy because there no promise of dopamine from the activity and you don’t have enough to spare, plus impulsiveness makes it really hard to not show when you do or don’t enjoy something.

I agree that Kami is also painted as overly perverted at times, he’s a little flirty but in a fun casual way but it’s not the foundation of his personality and it’s really mellowed out over the course of the series.

And while I subscribe to the bi hc from his interactions with Jiro and Shinso, we should all be very mindful that we don’t lump these characteristics together. The are separate facets of his personality that are not dependent on each other in anyway.

Kami deserves all the respect and love, I can’t wait to see our electric king again 🖤⚡️🖤

[we8comic]

i was the anon who sent the eyeroll dream thing and genuinely actually do you have any feelings about like dream and by extension sapnap trying to assert themselves into pop off trio streams

because i’m not gonna lie as much as i love dream and sapnap and yeah the going dark thing was funny, they do have this problem where they show up and get confrontational about not being invited and when they do that shit and put everyone on the spot about “being left out” it’s very weird to me you should just accept they want to have a stream alone right..? i was wondering what you thought about that and whether you think they genuinely feel threatened about being left out

like let george hang out with his other friends maybe i doubt they’d do this if it was quackity and karl with anyone else or even just them alone

also i’m too much of a coward to discuss this on my own main idk if you know who this is but i have a feeling it’s smth you agree with and it’s veryyy nice to see someone calling sapnap and dream out for their occasional annoying and stream ruining behaviour

sorry this is so long!! you also totally don’t have to answer btw lmao i just notice the same frustration sometimes through your liveblogging whenever sapnap and dream crash a stream

anonymous: wait wait to add onto my last ask it was the biggest power move for karl to announce that the sex havers only consists of george karl and quackity and i really felt like that was a hint drop from him, i think jokingly adding that anyone else is “a friend of sex havers” was to lessen the impact but i still enjoy the fact that he asserted (and has been asserting) that their group when they’re together is an exclusive trio

i felt it that time he was like yeah well. we were the original sex havers groupchat and i feel like sapnap and dream kinda wriggled themselves into being included like i hope none of this sounds mean i just really want dream and sapnap to understand it’s okay to not be included in everything

oh MAN do i have feelings 😩 dream and sapnap are almost comically emasculated by any little thing that makes them feel inferior and that includes being excluded from things. and i personally feel they have no right to get angry about being left out and to then show up onto their streams to express that theyre upset in front of an audience of thousands. i say this because the other three ALWAYS mention that they dm'd them and invited them to the activity or otherwise said they had reason to believe dream or sapnap wouldnt be available (and even outside of that, theyre not required to tell the other about every single one of their plans lol)

i think getting confrontational about it on stream in the middle of planned activities is childish. take a look at bad for example, who also isnt a part of the trio but doesnt get confrontational about having been left out. the trio is full of lighthearted people, bad came into the call and they asked him if he wanted to join in the game they were playing and he did and that was it. compare that to dream or sapnap and when they join calls. theyre consistently immediately accusatory. the trio will take it in stride (cus again. an audience of over 100k is watching. its really not the time and place to whine and get mad about feeling left out, those are convos to have in private), theyll throw some facts like "we invited you" "you said you were busy" "we already had this planned for a while" etc., then theyll offer an invitation to join. this invitation is usually met w quite frankly STUPID debate about "well why wasnt i included in the first place" like dude. read the room, youre streamers for a living, talk about these things off stream like an adult. plus they literally already said you could join if you still wanted to, whats the problem, why drag it out for longer than it needs to be. it just stalls the stream and their plans and shifts the lighthearted tone into somethin a little more careful (however briefly it might be, it didnt need to happen)

i LOVE karl for saying that theyre their own group and joking that their attitude is why theyre friends of sex havers. it felt like a lighthearted way to lift the mood again and kinda say "hey, we do our own things sometimes, chill"

i cant speak for whether i think they genuinely feel threatened about being left out cus not only do i not know them personally, theyre also not ccs i focus energy on (thats for quackity and george 😌) i DO think that with all the times theyve brought it up when crashing the trio streams, they should really by this point have talked about it off screen. it feels almost like they use the audience as a safety net to avoid the consequence of intruding/being mean cus whoever theyre talking to has to keep a certain face and therefore cant say certain things (might even hazard a guess that off screen they probably still dont REALLY talk about it)

i dont blame them for wanting to be a part of things their friends are doing but i blame them for the way they express that. it makes the atmosphere tense by making it far too personal for something thats visible to a live public audience.

i know theyre around the same age, but the way dream an sapnap handle conflict on screen IS immature vs the way quackity and karl do. quackity and karl have been entertainers for A WHILE and understand how to stay entertaining and theyre far more aware of their audience and the overall mood and how to handle problems and conflict without things getting too tense. dream and sapnap (sapnap moreso) have a habit of being confrontational and not lightening the mood and instead continuing to be mad, making everyone else in the call responsible for the energy of the stream instead of them themselves dealing with the tenseness theyve caused. it makes things awkward and im always hoping itll end fast and that theyd please for the love of god talk about it off stream

thats worded a little dramatically cus its rarely ever THAT bad, but it would be SO much better if it just didnt happen yknow. if they understood that they dont have to be a part of everything their other friends do AND if they understood that getting mad on stream and stalling their plans and souring the vibe isnt the best way to handle it.

tl;dr: theyre their own group who do their own things and arent required to share their plans w the rest of their friends (and usually they dm in advance anyway asking if they wanna be a part of their plans). dream and sapnap feeling excluded isnt something they should get overly heated about on stream (its an immature way to bring up the issue especially without ever offering a solution). these are problems they should talk about off stream where the trio dont have to be so conscious about their audience and its perception. i love karl and quackity for emphasizing that theyre their own group with their own plans and joking that the way they act is WHY theyre not part of the group. i think they deal w it as well as they can and i think dream and sapnap need to learn just a little more spacial awareness and how to handle conflict

edit: quackity/karl/george should be fully able to have their own stream together without anyone else intruding. dream and sapnap arent their bosses, they dont need to run all their plans by them first. if they want to have streams with just their own established group, they should be able to have that.

[dullweapons-a]

🔥 wildcard, babey, speak what you feel

Send me a “ 🔥 “ for an unpopular opinion. / accepting !

Hopefully I can explain this well without sounding kinda . . . shitty ? I feel like this is unpopular because i’ve seen people attack writers for this very thing. hell i have a fear someone is gonna tell me i can’t have ray be so dark cause im a pale puerto rican - 

I think someone should be allowed to write anything. I heard the advice ‘ write what you know !’ or someone telling another they can’t write a character with X disability , gender or race because the writer doesn’t have it or is white / cis . I think that’s just bullshit -- if someone doesn’t open their world to different kind of people than they will remain closed minded forever and only know the stereotypes . I also feel like this advice is the reason why most movies , books , tv shows and more default to a mostly white cast of cishetero men with one like....black or asian woman to throw people a bone ( with the stereotype that she’s hot and exotic ) . like . . . there isn’t anything wrong with cishet men or woman but like that’s not the only people in the world ?

we’re going into a world were people are realizing that we need more diversity-- i’ve seen a lot more POC characters and some with different sexualities. i personally haven’t seen many for disabilities but im hoping to see more of that ! ( my comic is a fantasy dystopian with focus on ableism so i have a lot of characters with disabilities - @ovisac is the place to ask more comic questions if you want ! )

i see this kinda . . . gatekeeping ( for lack of a better word ) towards white neurotypical writers more ??? like if they are doing proper research , ask for advice and are respectful than i don’t see why not ? people complain that they don’t see diversity in muses within the RPC but than yell at people when they try which.....is stupid. 

( btw this isn’t directed at anyone who i’m mutrals with ! this is just something i’ve seen poking around tags and being in the RPC for a while now. sorry this got long ;; )

[bloomtech]

( Alberto Rosende + NB Man + He/They ) isn’t that Carlos Tavor over there singing?  they’ve been in bloom for one year and I didn’t know they did that. somehow i know they’re a twenty-six-year-old stage tech. i’m pretty sure they’re bi with a strong preference for men and i heard they’re into hair pulling + oral fixation they’re staying at bloom court so maybe you stand a chance. ♡ penned by Terry & pacific & he/they/it

mic.off: Hey!! My name is Terry and I’ll be penning for Carlos and another baby ( hopefully ) sdlfkj I haven’t been in a group RP in a while and I'm very excited. I'm twenty-five and I’m an nb trans man as well as being gay sdljkf Carlos is a new muse that I have yet to write for so bare with me if he’s not totally realized. Here’s some info about him! Apologies I’m not the BEST at writing bios. There are two people mentioned in his bio Iris and Iris’ ex-boyfriend, both id’ totally love to see realized here in wanted connections if anybody is at all interested. 

Name: Carlos Alvaro Tavor 

Age: Twenty six

Sexuality: Bi with a heavy preference for men, he’s not at all opposed to being with a woman and is attracted to them it’s just basically easier for a man/male aligned person to get in bed with him or have a flirty romantic relationship than for a binary woman

Gender: NB man, he’s amab but like what the fuck is gender anyway?

Family and friends: Carlos has four sisters, one mother, three best friends back home and little to no friends at bloom. He tends to focus all his energy and attention into his job so even if you know him, he’s only been there about a year so it’s likely he won’t consider anyone a friend yet. His father passed away in an incident he doesn’t wish to discuss. 

Sexually: Carlos is a verse, he tends to prefer being the submissive one but most definitely enjoys dominating the situation as well. Top or bottom is fine real men get pegged and he has an oral fixation and loves giving head to his partners regardless of what they have going on. He’s kinda into dirty talk but if you try and get him to speak Spanish during sex he’s just gonna fuckin leave lskjdhfjsdfg he has no patience for that Latin lover bullshit

Bio: Carlos was born the youngest of five children and the first and only boy of his parents. His father died when he was about two years old and only he, his family and his best friend Iris really know all the details, he really clams up when asked about it.

 When he was four he met Iris, an Irish girl who would later turn out to be his very best friend.

 They were inseparable and saw each other through so many hardships, their families even becoming very close and Iris’ father and Carlos’ mother even grew closer as well. 

Carlos lived a pretty basic childhood if you asked hi. He picked up music from a very young age as a way to stay connected to his Cuban roots, learning the guitar, piano and how to sing. He could never get lessons because his mother was working three jobs to support five children ( his two oldest sisters also had part-time jobs while attending high school ) so he would never even consider asking. He considered it a blessing when he got his acoustic for his fourteenth birthday, crying when his mom told him she’d been saving up for it since he was ten and she saw him dancing around the living room strumming an air guitar to some of his favorite songs. He hugged his mom and promised to keep it safe and loved ( which he has, he still owns it to this day though it’s age is beginning to show a bit he’s never let any harm come to it ) 

When he entered high school is when things got, complicated. He was still a pretty average guy, he loved comics and videogames and anime, he joined band and theater as a stage tech. There he found his other calling, production. Turns out he was just as comfortable behind the stage as he was on it and was a natural leader with keeping things in check and order. Freshman year was also a big change for him because of Iris’ boyfriend, and not ... why you’d think. Or maybe exactly why you’d think cause he’s a giant gay cliche. He ended up being very attracted to the tall, intimidating heterochromatic jock. 

which was, scary. like really really scary because he felt he’d never really been THAT into guys before. Sure he’d thought guys were hot but .. so do most guys right? Yeah no.  Throughout his freshman year, Carlos quickly realized he was more in the middle of the Kinsey scale, finding attraction in men, women and pretty much everyone he met depending on the person. Iris supported him fully in this discovery, though never knowing about his massive crush on her then-boyfriend, and even helped him understand his gender confusion and pick up the non-binary label and they pronouns. 

Which, is why come junior year when Iris is doubting her own sexuality, Carlos had her back and helped her come to realize she was, in fact, a lesbian. Her at the time boyfriend was surprisingly perfectly okay and supportive and stayed close friends with them both which just made Carlos fall even more smitten with the stupid sexy het jock goddamnit. 

Enough about his highschool pining drama, Carlos graduated with honors and worked his ass off to get a full-ride scholarship to a moderately known performing arts school where he honed his skills both behind and on the stage as a performer for years. Graduating with a degree in music production with a minor in stage management. 

With the support of two of his best friends he launched himself into the world and was, immediately exhausted and sad. Playing bar after underpaying bar, working low pay low appreciation stage tech and management jobs he was almost ready to quit the music industry entirely were it not for his sisters and Iris especially. Eventually, Iris ex saw an advertisement saying bloomfest was looking for new stage crew and tried to convince Carlos to go saying this would be good for him and help him find a place where his talent and craft are truly appreciated. 

After talking it over with Iris, his mom, his sisters he found they all agreed and said he should go so, taking a chance his basic ass never thought he would he packed up his bags and moved to bloomfest as a permanent resident and employee. While he hasn’t been there long he’s made a name for himself as a reliable tech who will go above and beyond to get what you need and get it done even if he’s a bit grumpy about it. While his official job is dealing with stage tech, he spreads himself wherever he is needed in bloomfest and can often be found doing many odd jobs around in bizarre places. It’s just the kind of person he is. Helpful to a fault. 

Personality: He’s a bit grumpy seeming when you first meet him, but that’s just because of how little sleep the idiot gets. He’s actually an absolute puppy if you don’t upset him. Loyal to a fault, eager to please and always willing to make friends if it’s not getting in the way of his work. He’s a bit more, bitter towards musicians at Bloom fest simply because he’s jealous, and a bit sick of catering to the needs of over specific spoiled musicians and recieving no credit for his hard work or even a thank you. Don’t take it personal, if you have a good additude he’s likely to warm up fast. He’s always down to play flirt or real flirt really, he’s a fuckign flirt of flirts nobody is safe ( unless they say like hey im uncomfortable don’t do that then of course he’d stop but you get the idea ) He’s got a passion for music and creative arts, and a special love for comics, videogames and anime. Due to his oral fixation you’ll often see him with hard candy or gum or his batman shaped chewey necklace! He’s also FIERCELY protective of women so watch out for that cause he can and will punch you.

Strengths: Loyal, skilled, charming, kind, creative, hard working.

Weaknesses: Too trusting, quick to solving things on his own without thinking, stretches himself too thin, kinda snippy at times, closed off to really falling in love due to emotional traumas from his past, 

[realsmileyclown]

Will Clowns Ever be viewed Favorably again?

I should start off by saying this is only regarding how clowns are viewed by the public in the United States as in other countries the art may/is viewed differently. I have experience where I live so that will be the focus here. Now I know there are lots of people who like clowns but anyone here can tell you those people are the minority and vocal minority as well. Thats not to say the majority dislike clowns but the vocal majority definitly does. Id rather say the actual majority kind of avoids clowns and only if it gets brought up usually just say they dont really like them. This wasn’t always the case though as back when circuses were very popular and a part of american entertainment, nearly on par with sports like baseball, clowns had to be at least in the positive view of the people. This is because clowns have always been the mascot of these circuses from the height of popularity until the recent closing of ringling. We can see both old and modern examples or clowns always being used in PR stunts or on advertisements.

Here we see and old style poster advertising the circus and we see Julia who has ben in many pictures promoting Ringling Brothers. We see that both use clowns. These are important details because if people viewed clowns how they do now back then we wouldn’t expect to see much interest in the circus with those types of promotions. Clearly the circus kept trying to use clowns for PR even after the clowns decline but that clearly didnt work anymore as circus attendance lowered and other reasons led to closings.

There are lots of reasons why clown popularity decreased and i dont want to make this post about that but in short basically media depictions of clowns started to use them as horror symbols to play off the fact that a few people actually had phobias of them.

The point here though is do I think clowns will ever be back to their status of public favor when the circuses were in their prime as well as how could they get there.

First off I do think they have a chance to get back to their old level. I think this because I dont think there is really that much standing in their way. The main difference I see is that back then clowns were part of the circus package and people thought their job was to look weird and act silly to make people laugh. People didnt necessarily like clowns but didnt dislike them. Probably if you asked someone at the circus if they liked them they’d just say yeah are funny but thats it. Now people think they are people whose job is to look strange and act stupid to try and get people to laugh. The difference may seem small but essentially im claiming that the experiences that caused clowns to be viewed unfavorably shifted the people’s perspective to go from thinking clowns had a weird look which made them look funny to instead a strange bizarre look which makes them look off putting or creepy. The same is true for their actions. We know that this is a subtle difference but explains the shift from a slight positive to a slightly more negative view. We also know that this is only a shift in how they view clowns and not the clowns faults due to the fact that clowns havent changed those two things about themselves. If anything on average their makeup got less weird. See the pictures below with an old clown and a new clown and try to tell me the new one looks more creepy than the old one.

Clearly it had everything to do with public perception and not to do with them. Now public views constantly change so i see no reason they cant change back to how they were but it will take the work of lots of clowns to make it happen. This time clowns will also have to work harder as they no longer have ringling brothers to help keep them working and in the public eye.

One of my first suggestions is to stop worrying and complaining about scary media depictions worsening the image and instead focus on ways to improve the image of clowns. Everytime people who like those movies hear clowns complain about movies like “It” they just think worse about clowns and wonder why they cant just let them enjoy their movie. Clowns should take hollywood using their image as a compliment and find a way to make it positive. Clowns should do what they do best and laugh when they see those movies because it really is funny that someone thought they’d take a clown, which is funny and makes people laugh in real life, and make a movie where they are scary instead. Its quite a funny contrast to be scared of something that is funny. Having a positive attitude like this instantly changes its dynamic and now whenever a thing like this comes out clowns can claim it as part of their culture so all the people looking into it are reminded that real clowns are the opposite instead of sore losers who cant have any fun. Clowns have to take jokes not just dish them out. For one i love the joker and harley quinn. I dont think they are bad for clowning as i appreciate seeing clowns become such iconic comic and movie characters.

Now im not saying just let the media get filled with scary clowns. We need to let them have their fun and make fools out of us cause clowns are fools. But we need to make sure for every 1 scary clown picture there are 10 nice ones to counter it. Currently the internet  probably has got as much creepy clowns as it has real clowns. Even just typing clown gets mostly scary results it seems. We need people to see a higher ratio of good clowns to bad ones. This is why I like sharing pictures and why i like taking more of me to help contribute to these numbers. I am waiting to get a nice set up ready for the next time I’m in full makeup so I can do a photoshoot and get tons of pictures to spread of myself to help but for now heres another of me.

Thats only the easy fixes we can make but even with those fixes I feel a significant improvement could be accomplished. The real task now is to get people watching clown performances and laughing. If they enjoy watching clowns then they enjoy clowns. Without the circus we need a new avenue for this as I personally dont think Birthday parties are reliable and parades dont allow for real performances. I dont know who or how this part will be improved but I can almost garentee it will be on the internet. Over the last 2 decades we saw the internet grow from almost nothing into the powerhouse of entertainment. Things like netflix have almost replaced cable. Youtube created whole new careers for film with categories never possible on tv or in theatres. As far as I have seen no clown has truly utilized the internet yet. Most either just make a post on their regular socials of them in makeup, others use it to promote their in person business for parties, or others sell their costumes to other clowns. These are great but what we need is someone to figure out how to revolutionize clowning online as so many other markets did. Using the internet to boost offline business is great but true progress is when the business is online as well.

I wish I knew what it will be that revolutionizes clowning online so I could share it with you. Mainly I wish I knew what it will be so I could do it, ha ha! Until that day comes however we can keep spreading positivity, nice images and trying new things online.

Keep on smiling and keep on clowning!

[ts-akhmim]

Episode 4 | “ladies and gays.......the games have OFFICIALLY begun “ - Adam

I was immune three times so far this season. Three times. and FOR WHAT? I'm so screwed if I don't win this immunity challenge. I know I'm a weak link, so if I don't win this, hopefully *dan* doesn't either cause I might have to target him to save my skin. This is where I'm really gonna have to be social over the next day, cause my ass is quite literally on the line right now. I'm not getting 18th-16th, screw this.

ladies and gays.......the games have OFFICIALLY begun, at least for me but hopefully not just for me or uh i might be in trouble... but anywho, another brain went home sorry to this person and right when we all thought a swap of some sort was coming, BOOM a twist of all twists... EVERYONE is going to tribal, that means after this vote, we're gonna be down to 16 people just like that. But before we get there we have to get through immunity and tribal first, i saw that time was one of the tiebreakers and was doing nothing better so i figured lets get this challenge with, its counting how hard can it really be, once again however i completely underestimed my stupid bitchness! i was all the way into the 400s almost through before i MESSED UP .... TWICE ... so in the end i somehow still got 211 which i guess we'll see if that was decent, i dont think ill win but hopefully im just not last. This also means its time to start talking game, i hope no one is scared to talk game because im absolutely not. I'm not here to just sit in the shadows right away, I started messaging just a couple of the people i feel ive built some small connections with and just start to plant seeds about the vote coming up, i dont wanna throw any names out there until at least after we see who wins immunity, but as of now, connor might be a first easy boot?? either that or thats just what people are telling me to blindside me...idk im also still completely shook that the idol is out there, so i really want to vote out whoever has it so i can try to find it again.... but the only problem is i have no idea who has it, it could very well be someone i trust just keeping it to themselves like i wouldve...so we'll see, today is the calm before the storm, and i can tell you the storm is right over the horizon on its way to cause chaos for the beauties because we've been sitting pretty for far too long (pun intened), tomorrow after 9 once we see who wins, thats when i predict at least for me alliance chats and plans will hopefully start coming to fruition and uh hopefully its not me 

When you survived that vote out when you thought you were leaving https://media.giphy.com/media/5GoVLqeAOo6PK/200_d.gif When that twist comes out where three people all leave in the same round https://media.giphy.com/media/W7RVlWfc1O9gY/giphy.gif It's moments like this that make me realize that I should have tried to convince Devon to split up Autumn & Duncan last round. Because if Isaac was here, I could have easily gotten Devon and either Duncan/Autumn on board with voting out Isaac. Now we have to go to tribal AGAIN where we have to vote out a daddy :'( I'm still up in the air about what I want to do. Part of me is thinking about doing 2 options. 1 would be to utilize Devon to split up Autumn/Duncan. OR, I can align with Autumn/Duncan and vote out Devon. It's obvious that Autumn and Duncan are a duo, and I'm almost 100% certain that they'll tell Devon to vote me and me to vote Devon. Doing so gives them full power on who to send home, so I think my best bet is to vote with Devon this round. If Devon is as with me as he says he is, then the vote should tie. If Autumn/Duncan decide to vote me out over Devon, then I would hope Devon allows it to go to a tiebreaker. If they vote Devon, then I might just flip my vote and send Devon out of the game. Devon is a "i'm 100% loyal" type of person but at the same time, he also said the same things to me that he said to Duncan. So I don't trust him 100%. I wouldn't be surprised if the three of them just decided to vote me out. If I happen to win immunity, I might actually consider allowing Devon to go to a tiebreaker. I don't have anything to lose by having Devon and either Autumn or Duncan duke it out in a challenge. Devon sucks at challenges so he'd probably go home anyways, but at least the chance at staying is better than nothing. My goal is to win this challenge first and foremost. I hope that if I win that I have some power or influence in how this vote turns out. Given that I have a 25% chance at being voted out, anything can happen.

its literally so sad to see that the daddies have to go to tribal council. i made sure i didn't f*ck up in the immunity challenge and hopefully i have a good shot at winning it. Granted i survive this vote regardless, its going to be amazing to see the other tribes go to tribal council and test their tribe dynamics.This is like the equivalent of giving everyone a survivor wake up call. Just because we've been sucking doesn't mean we get to be spared by a swap.  No one deserves anything, you have to earn it. Worst comes to worse I would like to think I have to make fire against scott or devon, which at that point if i lose then i would have done everything i can to stay in this god forsaken game. I'm leaning more towards wanting Scott out but obvi if he wins immunity i have no issue voting for Devon. Can you imagine us not swapping after this and then having to go to tribal again!? Its starting to get quite comical that we've had to play so much already and we're not even close to merge. Wish a bitch luck i guess 

Waiting for these results really has me terrified about how I did. Personally, I like to think I did well in that challenge. Not to toot my own horn or sound cocky, but I spent some time practicing beforehand. I went on a word doc and just kept typing numbers a few times. I also practiced breathing techniques so that I wouldn't let nerves get the best of me when it came to the challenge. AND I also played some mantras in my head to remind me to stay focus and not eat into stress. My mantras include "slow and steady wins the race" and "take a deep breath, go with the flow, just do your best, and show what you know." I also gave myself a time limit as to how long I could spend on each part. I allowed myself 13 minutes to go up, and 17 minutes to go down. I wanted more time going down since by the end my hands would get tired and having little time at the end leads to stress/a potential mess up. So I'm glad I paced myself out with it. I was really scared that my challenge wouldn't count at first because my internet froze up right as I was ending. Luckily, I took the time to take screenshots with time stamps on them just in case something happened. Cause at first I was told "you didn't complete it" and that had me PETRIFIED!! Like I desperately need to win this otherwise I'm gonna get voted out. But luckily my screenshots came through and they accepted my score of 533. If I win this immunity, I have a good chunk of power in deciding who gets voted out. And on top of that, there's no immediate consequences for my decisions. From the looks of it, it seems like Autumn and Devon did really bad in that challenge. I'm hoping that Duncan doesn't do better than me. As for this vote, I think Duncan/Autumn are definitely going to vote together. Which means that I need Devon and I to stick together for this vote. If I win immunity, then I am 100% on board with voting with Devon this round. Autumn/Duncan are too strong of a duo and they need to be split up. Otherwise if we're still together on this tribe, I get the boot soon. I realize after this that I need to work on getting new allies in this game. If I can make it up until a swap, I think I have the potential to go far. I plan to make new allies with whoever is on the swapped tribe, and I'll mention that brains tribe is dead and if they need me to prove my loyalty, I'd be willing to vote out the other two remaining brains. We'll see what happens though. If Duncan does win immunity, then I might feel out to see if Duncan/Autumn are honest about voting out Devon and if I get the vibe that they are, I'll jump on that just to get myself to the swap. Ideally, I want Devon around since I know he'll be loyal to me, but this is a situation that is far out of my control. So, let's hope I win immunity this round!

Are all the Socotra people going to leave or like…? RIP Isaac truly, what a king! I am completely expecting a swap soon just because it makes tons of sense numbers wise? I hope we don’t because I have footing on this tribe which doesn’t happen usually so ghfjdksla

So after results, I’m mentally preparing myself for a swap because it WOULD happen yknow? Well this new twist? Has me gagged, gooped, shook, quaking, and confused all at the same time so yay for that! But yeah, it seems we’re having a nice little triple tribal feature tonight so get your popcorn folks cause the show is about to start! This twist does have me sorta shook just cause 3 people are leaving this round and we’ll be at F15… so in my head, this only confirms the fact that someone is gonna come back in the game at merge cause why wouldn’t the hosts do that? Well, I’m keeping an eye out for it all (and for Selener ofc)

Did I want to win this immunity challenge? Yes! Did that happen? No! Is that a bad thing? Honestly, not really! Like I am not the type of player that likes to be on people’s radars whatsoever so not being a winner of this game’s first individual immunity challenge is not something I can particularly mad about! Amir winning is cute like I love that for him <3 Adam did have me spooked that he was winning because he kept mentioning slightly high numbers BUT him and I did about the same so yay for us! While this vote is gonna be messy most likely, I do feel pretty secure and safe? I hate that I feel that way because I stay being caught off-guard when I feel that way but I’ve really focused on getting to know everyone here and letting the strategy come later so yeah (‘:

okay so today was about tying up lose ends. I had to clean up anything that could be used against me, and the main issue in my game right now is that i have built a great relationship with adam and i want him to stay, but my alliance does not want him to stay. My options are to save him with my idol, or convince my alliance to keep him, however, both could completely destroy my game. all 3 of them want adam gone, and its not worth it for me to go against all their wishes and it could make them doubt my loyalty, instead im going with the plan to vote adam out (i am so sorry u dont deserve it). However, i told augusto that adam told me about numbers at the bottom of the cast reveal. I realized that now there is leverage against me, that he or adam could use, so i have told the rest of the alliance about the numbers that adam found, hopefully to show them that im insanely loyal nejkwnfke even tho im not. But now, if i go againt adam, he has no dirt on me at all, and i can go through with the alliance's plan. Furthermore, I have a relationship with both austin and aj, so if adam goes, thats fine, ill just get closer to austin. Replace the relationship. Austin is also way less likely to lie or be a rat than adam would. if i could be swapped onto a tribe with duncan and autumn from the brains, i might just have to scoop them up! but i know autumn and ali are close

Me when I found out I won individual immunity at today's tribal and had the overall highest score out of every person in the game: https://media.giphy.com/media/1kIvUyWrdz88GKgtON/200_d.gif I was NOT expecting to do as well as I thought I did in that challenge. I expected to have won within my tribe, but not beat every single person in the game. i hope this challenge doesn't put a huge target on my back. I'm so happy that I won! Based on the mood of the camp right now, it seems like I needed to win. The only person who spoke to me prior to the challenge was Devon. Duncan's talking to me now, but I feel like it's only because I won immunity. I strongly believe that I needed this immunity otherwise I would have been voted out 3-1. Or at least a 2-2 tie if Devon is actually with me. But knowing that I play a major role in this outcome is a beautiful thing. If there was any tribal that I needed to be immune for, it would be this one. As for what I am thinking for tonight's tribal, I think that Autumn/Duncan are going to vote together this round. So this means that I could either vote with them to eliminate Devon OR I vote with Devon to cause a tie and have a tiebreaker challenge take place. Do I think Devon has a shot at winning this challenge? Honestly no... But I think voting with him has some added benefits. The first one is that it shows to everyone in the game that I'm about loyalty this time around. Secondly if he loses, it allows for me to make connections at a future swap. I can state that Autumn/Duncan are an obvious duo and that I have no allies. Showing off that look could help me gain new allies within the other tribes. Plus if Devon does win the challenge, then that's an ally I have going forward and I can state that vote as a move I made in this game at final tribal. Granted I've made moves so far in every vote during this game, but this is one that I can really emphasize towards me winning. But another reason I'm leaning towards keeping Devon is in the event that a swap doesn't happen and we lose again! By showing Devon that he almost left last round, I think he would 100% remain loyal to me for the rest of this game. However, it doesn't mean that I'm not open to hearing out other options. Devon does suck at challenges, so voting him out could be a good thing going forward. Plus I know for a fact that he's shady since he preached the same things to me that he said to Duncan. So I don't appreciate how he isn't being 100% truthful. Personally, I just don't trust any of the brains and need to jump on another tribe's bandwagon. I hope if I can make it to the swap that I can try to gain some new allies around here. Because I need people to make sure I get to the end. For now, I'm just going to hear everyone out and weigh out all of my options moving forward. I need to do what's best for Scottica going forward.

Whhhhaaattttt? Me uploading a confessional before 4 minutes before the next day??????? What a twist!!!!!! 

Anyways, the vote has come down to Devon leaving this round. Which doesn't surprise me, I expect Duncan/Autumn to not want to vote each-other out. Knowing that these two are unbreakable makes me want to work with Devon. But then Duncan also made the point that Devon comes off as the least threatening. Which is also true, he's the only one on our tribe who hasn't made it to the FTC yet. This has me thinking "let me talk to Devon about the tiebreaker challenge so he can figure out who he thinks he can beat" So I went into a call with Devon tonight basically expecting him to be down for a tiebreaker challenge against whoever he thought he could beat in the challenge, but ended up leaving the call actually wanting to vote him out because of how annoying he was throughout the whole call.... Me: "Hey Devon, Autumn and Duncan are 100% going to vote you out tonight. I will vote with you, but I need to know who you think you can beat in a tiebreaker challenge because if I vote with you, you need to win this challenge. Otherwise, I'll be public enemy #1 if you lose" Devon: "Well I think I could beat Duncan in a tiebreaker because he's throwing my name out there to try and get me out. Also, I've been completely honest with you this whole time so I hope that you'll vote with me tonight because I was going to go to the end with you. Anytime I was under the hot seat in Guyana, I made sure to win that challenge." Me: *looks at Guyana's wikia to see he won 1 immunity challenge and read confessionals about how he's a liar, a backstabber, and can't be trusted* The whole time he kept asking me who I wanted out and I'm like "none of the politics matter this round" Why? Because if it's a 2-2 tie, it comes down to how well you do in that challenge. Like I tried to tell this man he needs to bring his A game in the challenges. And he isn't even seeing that as a factor. Personally, I think Devon has a better chance at beating Autumn in a tiebreaker. Duncan performed better in all of the previous challenges so far. So the fact that he isn't really seeing this on a challenge performance level and more of a threat level shows that he doesn't see the severity of this situation. Chances are we will swap next round, so I can try vote Devon out and use connections to say "hey, I'm next to go on this tribe please align with me" in an attempt to get new allies. Plus Devon's paranoia really has me saying forget the whole tiebreaker plan and vote him out. UPDATE: I had to stop typing this confessional because Duncan called me to tell me Devon told him about the tiebreaker challenge and in all honesty Devon is a dumbass (sorry Devon) like his lack of perception in this game is TRULY astounding. Duncan and I basically spent the time bonding over his lack of sincerity and that Autumn is better for a swap. And with the performance he's putting on tonight, I'm ready to vote him out. I just have to hope we actually swap because if we do another tribe challenge and we lose AGAIN I know I get the boot. Also, I realize more and more that Devon really sucks at challenges and there's no way he can beat Autumn or Duncan at a challenge. So I guess I'm voting him out this round and then HOPING this doesn't come to bite me in the butt at the end. Sorry Devon. I wish I could have kept you, but you should have kept your mouth shut to Duncan & Autumn :/

... yeah I don’t think I can vote out Adam. Which is a shame because I made a promise and an alliance chat with Austin. But realistically Adam is a better player to keep around. He’s more easy going than Austin and more vengeful against the Brawn tribe which is definitely something worth keeping around. Also I accidentally just made an alliance with him. I really need to stop doing that before I start to face actual repercussions for my actions. Austin didn’t tell me his plans to vote out Connor so in my mind that’s sketchy as fuck. And I know he just got voted out of a game and I’d feel like a prick for voting him out. But we don’t have room for doubt in our tribe alliance. What if he’s trapped alone with Connor on a different tribe? Can we trust him not to vote for him? What if we merge and he feels the need to go off script? Will he just fuck off and do his own thing? And sure Adam most likely has an idol but he won’t have it forever. Sooner or later he’s going to have to use it and wouldn’t we be better off if he used it for us rather than against us? Then we can go in for the kill with his weapon down the hatch and our trust in his back pocket. Now I just need to express this to my teammates with out sounding like a psycho or a loon.

*sarah maclachlan playing in the background* hello ladies and gays, my name is adam, and welcome to..... my survivor funeral. In all my times playing tumblr survivor, the same situation has just ironically always happened to me, the very first tribal i partake in, my name ALWAYS gets thrown out there and i almost go home, but i somehow weasel my way out of it, and i think this time may be the one that finally gets me and stops me dead in my tracks this is gonna be a lot of tea so buckle up and get your teacups gorls, so basically immunity ends, i lose whatever i came close but ive never been one to need to rely on challenges to win, except maybe i did need this one, anywho after the challenges i go around and try to pick some brains, im hesitant about throwing a name out there but i did innevitably mention connor's name only to augusto/amir and austin mentioned voting connor to me first, i did say i felt disconnected to connor to austin first but i didnt say anything about voting him out first, anywho so im sitting here thinking...ok this seems too easy especially because i messaged other people aka augusto/amir and literally was getting no responses from them right away?? like im not an idiot, im of course assuming theyre plotting against me and normally im just being paranoid but NOT this time because AJ comes to me, because little does everyone know aj is definitely a friend of mine so he mentioned to me that kendall allegedly messaged this group chat they had the other day from the challenge i WILLINGLY sat out in, and was like "so obvious alliance without alex or adam and lets vote one of them out xD" like ooh ok you got me, congrats the only way you can play survivor successfully is by creating an alliance of circumstance that has nothing to build off of, its so frustrating the ONE time i really come into this game playing, like ive messaged and genuinely tried building relationships and for them to basically just all of the sudden be null and void over nothing??? it irks me i wont lie. It dissappoints me, and honestly upsets me. Im not an outwardly emotional person usually but im kinda upset over this? i know its a game and i shouldnt be taking it personally, but for me to have started building connections with people like augusto and amir and for them to just throw me down the river just because i wasnt included in their group bothers me. i guess i know its the name of the game, but what really upsets me is ive been TRYING and then theres people like connor who aj has said wasnt even ON the other group call for long at all and made no contribution??? but youre gonna vote me out.......someone who genuinely wanted to work with you people and am here to do so??? i guess on the bright side i can take some flattery if i leave first because aj said if they vote me over austin its because they view me as a bigger threat than him.....which they are 150% right to do so, however....they dont know im a threat!!!!! like i said some of these people havent even tried to get to even know me so how can you try and make conclusions about me already?????? AND YALL ARE REALLY SO DIMWITTED YOU THINK ID WORK WITH JAKEY ON THE OTHET SIDE BECAUSE I KNOW HIM???? what part of i voted him OUT last game, he NOR i have played since which shows you how traumatic it was, like i know he's against me already so im 100% not wanting to work with him. but guess what, if by SOME miracle i survive this tribal, and i would really need a miracle, if a swap comes soon i am 100% going to flip because augusto? dead to me. he can stream jlo for all i care. amir? sorry to this man who i barely know and tried to work with because we had a brief tumblr history together, which i barely knew him then either, clearly i made the right call not associating with him often, kendall, she's perhaps the fakest of them all, she basically messaged me and when i said what were you thinking she said "ive heard austin and connor but i DONT want to vote austin" so in my mind i know its really me or austin so good job, you just told the person you want out that you want them out. my plan now is to simply try to survive right now, and if that means having to vote austin out its what im gonna do, but aj himself has told me amir/augusto would be open to working with me had i proposed some type of alliance to them, so thats my next plan, i hope i can make them want to work with me over kendall/connor, and the 4 of us form a REAL alliance, and if they want austin ill vote austin, at this point i switch into flight or fight mode and as much as i love a good fight, i have to keep my claws put away for this one,  no one knows how BAD i want to just call out all of this tribe for lying right to my face and keeping me in the dark for no reason other than a pure coincidence, if they vote me out ill tell them off as i walk out of course, but i really dont want to blow up ajs game and i want this plan to work.... so ive got to shut my big mouth right now and try to outplay as much as i would like to just outscream them all right now.. anywho, its not looking good for me. i have about a 45% chance of survival i feel like, so send me all the positive energy you can because a bitch needs it, god speed yall and ill see you on the other side one way or another...

ugh one last thing i forgot......if im really voted out first and get that cirie hvv treatmeant because in my mind i just WANT to be her.......lets omit this time! no need to update the wiki, we'll press delete and pretend this moment never happened because thats how im going to treat it especially these FAKE ass PHONY ass people. FRAUDS. all of them. like i get it, im a fake bitch at times obviously like thats the game but im not used to people being fake to ME like it hurts especially when you think youre feeling real bonds with people..... i- lemme not start going on and on again. im not a quitter, im a tough cookie, ive had way worst problems in life ive figured out on my own and luckily im not completely alone with aj unless he's just been playing me which then OUCH that would hurt 1000x more but i genuinely dont think he is, at this point i trust him with my life in this game because i feel like he's my key to staying. i need him, and i need augusto/amir, even though they've hurt my feelings and i want my revenge, i have to compose myself and play my cards right, this is a war, not a battle, and while i may lose all at once, i have to play the move i think will most best keep me here one night longer ...  

oh gorl ok i promise LAST ONE i just have to get this off my chest! ok so, after thinking about it and smoking a nighttime bowl i'm less UPSET about the possibility of me going home first on the beauty's and now i'm just more confused, augusto did message me back and was saying he'd be interested in my proposed alliance however he could easily be lying to me since he's been lying to me already this whole game however i have no choice other than to try this hail mary, i also think i'm gonna try to plant doubt against kendall because she directly told me she was basically voting me out, so i'm gonna go around and tell people she refused to vote austin out, because she did say that, and hopefully they don't just give in to her bidding. i can't really be mad, we won't be singing amigas cheetahs tonight, but i'm gonna turn my frustration into work, i see multiple scenarios in my head the moment i start to feel the one i'm in is heading south so right now my only chance of making it through is pushing this alliance and testing the connections i've been trying to build, wish me luck if i hear something good from amir there might be a glimmer of hope? probably not but i'll absolutely try just for the good edit of a dramatic tribal dahling 

So first off, fuck Skype. Because if Skype wasn't a laggy ass bitch, I would have won that immunity. But it's fine because I don't think I'm going anywhere just yet. It's been very refreshing to have multiple people come up to me and say they want to work with me. Like Jakey obviously has been the person I've been able to talk to openly since Day 2. And I knew Dan and I had a mutual bond that would allow a good amount of trust, so it was nice to see that become much more evident when he came to me to talk game. Now I have Jordan and Ali who both said they want to work with me / guaranteed not write my name down. And Liam is hardcore pitching to me and actually making a lot of sense. So now even though I thought I would go for Liam this round, I actually think I may push for Lovelis to go. It's a weird thought that the person I just finished a game with would be the one I'm going to probably vote tonight, but it may make the most sense for my game. I admittedly also don't think everyone voted out is going to get eliminated. My guess is one of them survive and then we have a swap with 2 tribes of 8, but we shall see!

It’s tribal time y’all! My alliance (me, Amir, Kendall, Connor) had the idea of adding AJ to our circle as it would be super easy to do so as we all are in a challenge chat together which is nice. I do really like AJ now like we’ve really connected these past few days and have had a little duo-bond going on so this 5 person alliance is the best chance for us to get even closer in a game-sense. We all went on call and discussed the topic of Adam versus Austin. While AJ and Amir would prefer to keep Adam, Kendall prefers to keep Austin. I’m genuinely on the fence because I like both of them and they both like me a lot? I tried to rationalize it in a game sense of Austin is slightly more transparent and easier to read while also having a weird social game that would keep one of us over him in a swap scenario. Adam, on the other hand, is probably more dangerous long term as he could cause more damage and his relationship with Jakey is very up in the air in terms how it affects us in a swap. So for the immediate future, Austin would be better to keep around because of a swap but thinking about the long-term, Adam could be better as he could be a shield? It’s interesting like this vote really is about weighing instant gratification versus delayed gratification and seeing which helps us out more?

While on our 5 person alliance chat call, AJ ended up revealing how the idol system works which…. YAAAAASSS we won! A thing that concerned me is that he said someone had already found something which is likely Adam considering he had told Amir about the numbers thing beforehand? That is just my gut telling me that though but it’s something we gotta think about hmmmm… very inch resting.

Not Kendall and I making an alliance with Austin ghfjdsk, it FINALLY happened but it’s kinda silent so far? I’m kinda side-eying Austin as when I talked to him about the vote, he had only mentioned Adam to me whereas he mentioned Adam and Connor to other people so it’s like… do you REALLY trust me? I don’t really know anymore, it’s something to keep in mind though!

We had agreed on voting Adam and not gonna lie, I feel awful about it from a personal standpoint? I really really like Adam like we have so many similarities and common interests so I’ve really grown to appreciate our bond. Adam had mentioned making an alliance with me, him, Amir, and AJ and told me that he wanted to ask me how I felt about that before he told the others because he really values my opinion which made my heart cry. To make matters worse, he told me how he feels he can FINALLY experience a game where he has genuine people he likes to work with and cause damage like AHHHH I feel so bad because a part of me wants to keep him but my loyalty to my people is outweighing that? Like I do genuinely want to keep Adam because he’s amazing and I would feel awful voting him out because I think he’ll take it the most personally from me and I don’t want to be the cause of someone else’s pain/sadness ever yknow? Ugh, it’s just a lot and I probably seem like an emotional mess but I think I have to put more value in my head over my heart in this game and this could be a start? 

I went to bed sad about having to vote Adam today and I woke up to Kendall wanting to call me. We go on call and debate whether the fact we wanna vote for Adam to begin with and we were both kinda like… we honestly don’t? Not just because we like Adam but Austin is not being as transparent or present as we would’ve hoped so it kinda helps us make our decision for us? I did tell her about Adam’s alliance proposal because I also want to be as transparent as possible and even flipped it in a way that we can make Adam feel extra comfortable with a false majority so if he does have an idol, we can keep him from ever playing it. Not just that, but we can also convince Adam to vote Austin instead of Connor like he wants to by us falsely stating Connor helped out tons in the challenge and while he won’t be completely active, that’s to our benefit and not a detriment at all. We then got on call with AJ and he agreed with our points so yay for saving Adam? I’m genuinely happy with this especially since Adam does benefit my longer term game and I love him so <3 

I am SHAKING right now. It's obviously come down to either between me or Liam L, and it sucks! I didn't want to vote out Liam but my hand has been forced at this point! He's been on away all morning so I've made my move, trying to hit up Ali, Jordan, Jakey, TJ, even Dan (who answered me then went on away c':) I THINK I've done a good job of speaking as to why I'd like to stay? Jordan is keeping me updated and TJ said he will as well, so I hope they're telling the truth..

Since it's been awhile, there are a few things to go over: 1. The alliance between myself/Scott/Duncan/Autumn has been so successful so far. We survived three straight tribal councils after losing three straight competitions. We didn't waiver a single bit from one another and that is so rare in Survivor. 2. Going into this round, I thought my only chance was to enter a tiebreaker against Duncan and try and win in a competition. I pleaded to Scott for his vote, but he was skeptical. 3. With my back up against the wall, I confronted Duncan in hopes of flipping his vote. As a result, a chat between myself/Duncan/Scott was created. 4. As long as Scott/Duncan aren't playing me, this could very well be the fourth tribal council in which I survived with my name being mentioned in three of them. Slithering doesn't always work, but this round has been the toughest one to date. 

it's still day 9 and SO much more has already happened... i could be writing to you from the grave with this, but i think, maybe just maybe, i might have a shot at staying now. its so crazy how fast this game really changes, last night i was in a horrible mood (so SORRY  to everyone i dragged in my last confessionals my feelings were hurt and i was moody i take it back! especially telling augusto to listen to jlo that was just CRUEL. howvever it was because i thought it was game over me, i saw this major alliance form right in front of my eyes that i was on the outs in, and with the help of AJ, i was able to just maybe infiltrate and create my own counter alliance with some of the people from that majority who just might like me a little bit more. Even if i get voted out tonight, i can go out with my head held high now because even if these people are playing me, ive tried my best and attempted to make some form of a move even if the move is just saving myself, i wanted to maybe work with austin but however i dont see it in the stars for us anymore This is why ive worked hard on maintaining steady social relationships, this right here, because today i made an offical alliance chat with Me, AJ, Augusto, and Amir, and while i definitely still have my doubts about Augusto/Amir, right now im stuck with them. If i want to survive this vote, i need to see if i can trust them, if they are legit about being real to my proposed alliance instead of their other one, theyll vote with me tonight and we'll take baby steps and go from there. I absolutely have been playing the pity card, with all of them and even kendall. I'm making sure people think im just this nice funny person who wants to play the game and have a shot, which is true, but im willing to do anything to stay, its just funny to me how last night i was having a breakdown over everyone saying im a threat and wanting me out, and i didnt completely get it at first, but you know what if the vote really doesnt fall on me tonight and i somehow survive, then maybe theyre right and maybe i am a threat if i can help to flip this whole tribe in a matter of hours. I even begun platning seeds against kendall because i know she was throwing my name around and you most certainly wont get away with that sis. I begun telling people she refused to vote for austin, because she did, she foolishly told me that and now im gonna use it against her. I dont think I can pull off voting her out this round, i need to focus on saving myself, but just know she's awoken the beast and i have her in my future sights. pray for me yall, im playing every single card i can in what could be a hopeless last ditch effort. But i think my odds of staying may really be going up, unless these people are just THAT good at being fake then....they got me gal. 

This tribal council is really about to raise my blood pressure huh? Its crazy cause I am quite confident I am not going home tonight, I would say most of the tribe as well feels that way and most i think should. As far as im concerned Myself, Dan (whose immune duh), Ali, Jakey and even TJ knows that its gonna be one of the Liams. Liam is aware that hes at risk cause hes been innactive and is throwing out lovelis name. Lovelis, I think doesnt know hes at risk, which is dumb cause he has not had a good social game so far and just thinks its easy on Liam. It might not be though, Liam has been ramping up his game a bit to try to stay safe (my advice to him of course) and I think it may be working. Obviously I know I can trust Liam and in most other circumstances i think I would work with him without question, however because this is a main season and he played in survivor jordan pines, its such an easy link to us that I just worry how it might affect ME down the road. Obviously if I can keep Liam safe tonight I will, but I am not fighting a hard fight to keep someone who may eventually be a detriment to my game whereas lovelis could be a lot of different possibilites. Im unsure where the road goes now, I think I am gonna call with my alliance of Ali Jakey and Dan later to try to think of a name, we just need to make a decision between the two already so I know which i should be priming up to be a goat for me and which I should cut loose haha.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LHsOiuD0RNMuor24fzziE04b_iTVsFRD/view?usp=sharing

okay so my video confessional is uploading but i think liam lovelis is doomed! he seems like a king but he needed to put in work to stay this round and i dont think he did unfortunately :(

well, in a sick turn of events, we did NOT swap tribes! in fact we were punished for god knows what as all tribes were required to go to tribal, so immunity was individual! the challenge itself was HELL and i am not going to talk about it other than the fact that i literally could've won if i didn't fuck up the second time. thankfully amir won, so i'm happy! going into tribal, however, i was in the mood to vote either austin or connor. i've kinda connected with everyone else on the tribe totally to the point where i don't want to vote them off right now, and while both are amazing, i ain't really CLICKING with them like that. but to be fair, they both have outside priorities like work and school so i can excuse the lack of conversation. i assumed initially that it was going to be a matter of no one wanting to step on any toes, so there'd just be a bunch of "oh i haven't heard anything yet" and beating around the bush, BUT kendall swooped in and declared our challenge chat from the last immunity (which consisted of her/me/augusto/amir/connor) an alliance, to which we all agreed. obviously i wasn't gonna turn it down! these were people who i really vibed with! it just sucks that someone like adam was a victim of circumstance and isn't able to be able to be apart of the alliance. we all (bar connor) hopped on call to discuss a vote and while it seemed like austin was gonna be the initial vote based off of what everyone was saying, ADAM ended up being the target that night. i played along and just went with it but i knew i had to do something since i wasn't gonna let adam go out like that. i tried to wave the caution of a potential idol play by bringing up the tomb system and how i cracked the code (per adam's hard work), but at the time it only pushed that vote further! we were under the impression that adam was throwing around connor's name, but on the contrary it was austin from what we've gauged. adam went to augusto i believe and brought up that he's heard connor, which only could've came from austin! this is where the conversation itself started to take a turn, so the vote went from adam to adam(?). everyone dispersed and like 5 minutes later i called adam DJKALSJFKJ. i had to let him know what was going on! he, of course, began panicking and started plotting on how he'd bounce back from this and i was a little weary at first. one thing i didn't want him to do was throw me under the bus or snap, it wouldn't his or my game for that matter. so i suggested he try to craft an alliance with myself, augusto, and amir. while he doesn't really trust the latter and plans on flipping in the event a swap comes, i knew that it'd be way harder for the vote to NOT be adam if he put them in this kind of position that austin isn't offering them. i went to sleep and when we woke up, kendall proposed another call! thankfully, she suggested flipping to austin, to which augusto and i agreed, because honestly adam does NOT deserve to be the first person gone from this tribe. so like that the vote went from adam to austin and things were pretty cemented, with it not changing as of the time i'm writing this. we're currently under the impression that austin is voting connor, which is fine since we got connor's blessing to keep his name out there since we DID here it, and it's best to keep adam feeling safe. ugh the way i was expecting a HEADACHE this morning if things didn't start the change like oh brother... bless up. p.s. chrissy hofbeck let me DOWN. i love that queen but she replied to my dm for the first challenge which was almost over a week ago today?! wow chrissy. 

So we're just a couple hours until tribal; essentially the whole tribe has agreed to do Lovelis at this point, and now somehow Lovelis knows that Liam had been targeting him. A couple people think that Ali is the reason why, but there's a chance it was me who actually is at fault because I confirmed it to Lovelis after he asked a second time, but I'm not going to full out admit that there was a chance that it was me (other than explaining the first half of my convo) because people doubting Ali is actually going to be kind of decent for my game. Ali is a huge threat moving forward and I trust Jakey, Dan, and Jordan more than him at the moment, so if it poses some doubt... it may not be the worst thing in the world. Russell hat might be out today ;)

okay so i have a video confessional uploading but i unfortunately think liam lovelis is going home! i love him so much he is so lovely, but i think he didn't put the work he needed to, to stay. would love to work with him in a different game, in a different situation but am sad it wasn't to be. i love my brawn men and i'm SO SAD that we are probably going to be separated. also im so sick and alyssa is gonna wonder who the old crone wheezing on call is and its me

So I won immunity hehehehe we love being masc and winning comps. But anyway I’m happy I’m safe going into the triple tribal. It’s all I really wanted. Should be an easy vote. Lovelis is just like not around enough. And he’s connected to TJ, so it will be nice having TJ somewhat to myself without distraction? That’s probably not actually the truth but let’s pretend it is. 

Adam wants to make an alliance with me and Augusto and Aj, but like, fuck. It’s too late. The 3 of us are already with Connor and Kendall, but Adam is being genuine and honest with us and it’s just really sad that this is the way this has to go down. If I was in his position I’d be so sad, so it’s making this game hard, but the logical part of me knows that eliminating him at this moment is the right move . I haven’t played these games in almost 3 years, and I know that you have to be a predator in this game, not prey, and you can’t let your emotions stop you from positioning yourself as best as possible. Do what u gotta do and feel bad later ! But for the record, I do feel damn awful for this , sorry adam

What in the fuck I literally woke up and my alliance wants to KEEEEP ADAMMMMMM KDJDJDSNSJSNKDNDKDDNDND AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CANNOT TELL IF IM HAPPY OR PISSED OFFFFFF I can work with Adam, and I can be tight with him, but the alliance known that Adam told me about numbers on the blog and i made ppl think he has the idol, so as long as Kendall Augusto and Aj don’t spill those beans to Adam, him staying is still okay in my game, this just puts me in a slight risk zone, it’s a loose end And I don’t really know how to go about it I’m not gonna try and convince them to remove Adam when he obviously trusts me Kendall is a damn crackhead I love her tho like in a weird way I really do trust her??? I feel like I can read her pretty well I literally can’t go to sleep without my alliance changing fucking everything I CANT SLEEEEP ever again huh Chile... tbis is our first vote and I’m ??  

is it against the rules to go to my alliance members houses one by one and jump them?

Amir u stupid ass bitch... dipping my hands into too many cookie jars i got close with adam and then distanced from him cuz he was leaving and now i got to get closer again cuz hes staying. but adam likes me and augusto the most on the tribe i think me and augusto are the closest with everyone on our tribe and that makes him my biggest social threat, but hes also my closest ally so like this is good at this stage, we have a lot of pull

okay so this twist is crazy and i'll like properly articulate my thoughts tomorrow but all i want to say is everytime autumn messages me i get such a rush of seretonin - wow do i stan her.

These are my pre-triple tribal thoughts https://youtu.be/18jIBeTw_lY

Well well it seems these bitches haven't got rid of me yet. I don't feel they will give me a chance to actually be back in the game but I'm gonna fight my ass off to try. I love the game and I dont go down easy.  I'll kiss ass or do whatever I have to do to save myself . Tumblr survivor gods please please please be with me 

hey you guys its me adam and im coming to you from the survivor afterlife because they succeeded and just voted me ou- wait.... wait a minute, wait what?? the hator beauties DIDNT vote me out?????? GORL i am counting my blessings that my dumbass somehow survived the first vote, ESPECIALLY after finding out my name was not only thrown out there, but that it was a LOCKED plan. Literally sent me into a whole tizzy and caused me to doubt my self worth because i felt so bad about my gameplay but BITCH, i still got it. Yes, the rumors are true, you CANT kill a bad bitch. MANY THANKS TO AJ. I absolutely give credit where credit is due, if it weren't for aj telling me about the plan to get me out, i never would have played as hard as i did today, before i went to bed last night i basically talked to everyone, kendall/amir/augusto and was just making sure they all heard me out, i played up big time that i wanted to just be here for the team, and how BADLY i wanted to be able to play with loyal people, especially when i made the alliance chat for me/amir/augusto/aj because aj told me they did say theyd be open to an alliance with me so i think me doing all that and then of course aj's impact from the inside definitely lead everyone to change their minds and so then today the plan was shifted to austin i didnt want to vote austin honestly, but at that point it was me or him and my instincts always are fine with it, AS LONG AS IT AINT ME. PERIOD. They absolutely made the wrong choice though, because especially LEARNING all the information i did, ill never trust a single person on this tribe again, except aj, and i will absolutely be looking for the cracks and to possibly flip in. also after tribal , we got bombarded with this twist, SOMEONE IS COMING BACK FROM ONE OF THESE 3 TRIBALS???AND WE'RE ON A ONE WORLD BEACH NOW??? gorl its time to get to WORK, immediately upon entering this beach with everyone, austin messages  ALL the beauties swearing he wants to work with us still if we bring him back- but then goes and messages EVERY other person, and here's the best part- INCLUDING THE OTHER PEOPLE VOTING TO COME BACK IN AJFSDKH LIKE WHAT HE ASKED DEVON TO VOTE HIM BACK IN I WAS SCREAMING austin, thank you for showing the beauties we made the right choice, and hopefully we pull it off and you dont come back, sorry nothing against you though!!! im immediately leaning towards bringing devon back, because well the brains are just not really a threat at the moment and the last thing we need is braun gaining a number on us. Austin also told me my name was an option for the vote from tribal, which i completely was aware of but had to act like i didnt know because i didnt want aj exposed, HOWEVER now that austin has brought this up i can freely mention it to whomever now, so i immediately bring it up in my chat with amir/augusto and lemme tell yall.... ive never heard a silence quite this loud. whats wrong? yall dont wanna be honest with me about having a whole alliance just to conspire to vote me out????? this was a test from me, i gave them the oppurtunity to come clean and they refused. it shows me i clearly cant trust them, but again, until i know what the hell is going on in this game now, im stuck with them until i can make a move against them. kendall also came to me saying "hey can i ask you something" so i go sure gal whats the tea and she asks me "was i an option for the vote because austin said i was" so i was like omg no! of course not!!! because realistically she wasnt, even though she absolutely shouldve been for daring to raise her tongue against me IM ONTO YOU SIS... i know exactly what shes doing, she knows austin is telling me i was an option so shes probably hoping by telling me that i wont believe austin, but silly girl, i already knew about all yall's trifling ways!!! anyway, send fucking help we need it, the beauties are the FAKEST group on this island. im having better conversations with people from the other tribes i dont even know during this one world twist... also was able to catch up with jakey....that was interesting, we always have great convos because like we just know each other so well, and he's acting like he's forgivven and forgotten about challengers vs. champions, but i know him well enough to know he's NOT going to trust me this game because well...if i were him i absolutely wouldnt trust me either, we're kinda like parvati/amanda in hvv. Ill keep him on my backburner, incase we swap and im with him i at least want a fighting chance, if i HAVE to work with him but i probably will end up having to target him because i know him all too well and how he plays, its dangerous for EVERYONE. (but mostly for me, which is what's most important) 

Of course it wasn't a swap! That would be too easy!!!!!!!!! No we had to make it as dramatic as fucking possible and vote some sap back into the game!!!! UGH Well, at least this gives us all time to scout out the competition. And believe you me it has taken a lot of will power to not compulsively make another alliance. I mean, I did, but like with Jordan Pines so that doesn't count. I have reunited with my Survivor Dad Scott, my pizza molester friend Liam, former Gorlley Duncan, and my former arch enemy Jakey. I say former but Jakey clearly doesn't see me that way. He still had me on block and allegedly the first thing he messaged Adam was if "it was safe to unblock me". Like dude, Neverland was 4 years ago get a grip. I mean yeah, I'm playing up the arch enemy aspect on my side but that's more for my own amusement/Adam's loyalty. I genuinely didn't have an opinion on him anymore. I mean, I do NOW but I assure you it is purely built on self defense. Admittedly, I wasn't on my best behavior during that time and I will apologize for it but damn dude keep my name out of your mouth. Speaking of people who won't shut the fuck up, we have Austin!!!!!! He has made a point to swear loyalty to Brains, Brawn and Beauty. Which I get you have only 24 hours to find safety but like do better. He also told Adam that we were targeting him at first tribal council, which is admittedly accurate but also incredibly inconvenient for the rest of us. Luckily Adam seems to hold us in higher regard plus I miggghhhhhtttttt have lied to him a wittle wit in order to make him doubt Austin. 9:49 PM Hey can I ask you a question? Adam, 9:52 PM omg of course 9:53 PM Was I an option for last tribal? Adam, 9:53 PM omg 9:53 PM It’s okay if I was but you have to tell me if my name was written down Adam, 9:54 PM absolutely not??? like im not even joking i did not HEAR your name once or even consider you myself and if anyone else did they never said it to me did austin tell you that? I know every season I'm very insistent on how evil I am but I genuinely believe this season I've crossed several ethical boundaries. Like damn, I voted out my first game ally, I tricked both AJ and Adam into thinking they are in a position of power, and now this bullshit? I genuinely hope that this doesn't blow up in my face cause it very well could but if it doesn't... well now I have a spare ally. So obviously Austin is not coming back under any circumstances. Which leaves the two other schmucks: Lovelis and Devon. Lovelis has yet to message me anything and Devon has been a fun conversation. So... as you can see this is going to be a very tough call. I am going to have to pray on it :/. What's that Survivor Jesus? You think we should save Devon? Ehhhh let me talk to Survivor Buddha first, I'll get back to you. 

just as much i know yall wish i would shut up these people CONTINUE TO TRY ME AND PUSH MY BUTTONS AND I CANT TRUST ANYONE CLEARLY SO I HAVE TO COME HERE TO RUN MY BIG MOUTH basically, i wake up this morning and while i know austin is just on a beauty tribe crusade throwing us all under the bus to try and get the votes back in, which i completely cant blame him for anyone considering we all did blindside him, HOWEVER i decided to message him again this morning and try and get some more tea out of him, i figure if he's hear i may as well hear him out now, in no way shape or form do i plan on voting for him to come back into the game, but i want this information for my own good, so i decide to ask him who all was telling him to vote for me and what was said, and he tells me that kendall, amir, and augusto all said my name AND that apparently they were calling me a rat too?? now, i know, he's desperate so he'll say whatever, but i firmly believe there's usually a little truth to every lie, so upon finding this out i decide im sick of holding it in, so i message augusto and amir to basically call them out. i wanted to play it very carefully because once again its a test of trust, are they gonna be upfront with me and let me know i was on the chopping block, even if they were considering voting for me as long as they told me, id possibly be able to move foward with them, but again, just like last night, i mention it today and i get LIED TO. augusto wants to play dumb and say "omg i never said that! why would i ever say that about you?!" well idk, why would you act like you're my friend and wanna work with me only to join a super alliance behind my back and make a plan to vote me out? he's lied to my face now more than once and so with that, CANCELLED. Amir at least told me he heard my name but guess what he obviously wasnt gonna do it, which is still a lie i know they all agreed to my name because of aj, but at least amir didnt completely undermine my intelligence and lie to me about it. THESE PEOPLE REALLY THINK IM ADAM THE CLOWN, ADAM THE FOOL, ADAM THE DUMMY WHO CANT FIGURE ANYTHING OUT, WELL GUESS WHAT BEAUTIES. I DID. i completely feel like sandra on the villains tribe, i cant STAND these people anymore and what annoys me more than them lying to me, is them thinking theyre clever enough to trick me with this stupid ass lie kendall made up about how austin was saying the vote was on her like gorl plea we still have a few hours on this one world beach, so i decide now is my time to START planting seeds to make my move. i have to be extremely careful here, because while the beautiues have completely enraged me and awoke the beast within, im absolutely gonna return their fakery with absolutely fraudulentism. yall wanna lie to me? ok game on, ill lie 10x as hard to you now. i obvioulsy want to just blow my top and make them feel stupid because i know theyre lying, but i have to be smart, for all i know after this person comes back, we could very well head to our same tribes still, or i end up with a beauty majority and i need them to think im with them .. BUT GOOD GOD PLEASE GIVE ME A TRIBE SWAP, AT THIS POINT ID PROBABLY GET MORE STIMULATING CONVERSATIONS WITH TREES THAN THIS TRIBE. Whoever told them they were beautiful people actually lied to them because theyre all UNQUALIFIED to be on the beautys. at this point i want devon to come back, ive had nice little convos with him and im trying to talk to all the brains to be quite honest because, if it were up to me, i would absolutely flip and work with the brains if they would allow me to work with them because clearly i cant trust the beauties???? HELL, I MIGHT EVEN HAVE TO WORK WITH JAKEY IF HE'D TRUST ME JUST BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY CANT TRUST THEM??? the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and at this point, the beauties are my enemy. im really hoping my big mouth doesnt get me in trouble because i could be talking to these brains and they very well could go behind my back to the other beauties and im voted off soon, but im hoping they just realize based on the convos im trying to have with them, that im absolutely open to flipping, the beauties may be the devil i know but id rather go home trying to make a move rather than just sitting on the bottom waiting to be picked off, and if the beauties think im gonna just be that person, they made a grave mistake in not voting me out then. If youre gonna throw my name out there, vote me out because i guarantee once i hear it, ill never trust you again. in conclusion, this video about sums up how i feel about the rest of the beauties: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_iM4Z8FkQg

Jeff Probst Voice: And meanwhile on One World Jakey teaches Kendall how food delivery works. djfadklajdkfajkfdjafklds; I feel like a bit of an ass. Me and Jakey talked it over, turns out neither of us entirely remember what our feud was about. We also agreed to be a secret duo while playing up our 'alleged" animosity. I'm keeping him at arms length because I don't entirely trust him but he's easy to talk to, and who am I to decline a free ally. Austin meanwhile continues to spiral further. I feel kind of bad honestly but not enough to save him. He apparently told Adam that we called him a rat? Which, we did a lot of things to Adam but nothing directly disparaging his personality. He's a really pleasant and nice person, he's so pleasant and nice everyone else in the alliance was super reluctant to vote for him while his name was on the table. Which was kind of infuriating at the time but now that we are dealing with this shit storm it's a nice quality. Devon is laying it on thick with me. He has said shit like "I'm rooting for you in the VL" and " I obviously want YOUR trust more than anything in this game" okay that one in hindsight could be a reference to needing a vote. On the other hand he's been very straightforward about not making any promises and I really respect that. It's interesting how everyone wants him back, including the people who voted him out. Which makes me curious, did they plan for this? Lovelis is still a non entity... tribal is in like an hour and fifteen minutes you think he'd pop in with a sup or something? In terms of the idol talk, Jordan and I have compared notes. I told him that Adam probably has it and he told me everyone on his tribe knew about the numbers. So... if we switch it up or go back we can double check and look to see if it's there. I don't entirely trust people on the outside. Don't get me wrong I get along splendidly with Brain and 4 out of the 6 Brawn players seem to enjoy my company. But my loyalty first and foremost belongs to the beauties. You know that, I know that, now let's keep them from figuring that part out. ;)  

okay so, i survived my first tribal. my anxiety was really acting up and i like astral-projected during it, but i survived which is what counts. i've tried to take today off because i dont want this game to be ali has an emotional meltdown the entire time and i think im doing okay. anyway SO liam lovelis went home and i really like him but its also like, he really was not putting in the work to stay, and i really respected Liam M's hustle! so it was what happened, and him fighting Liam M was kinda mean JASKDF like idk what he expected Liam M to do instead, it was just the way things shook out. okay and then we have this crazy twist.. the hosts really really said you are anxious? time to get anxious-er. so we are voting either devon, austin or lovelis back into the game. lovelis has fully gone ghost (at least for me), and i think he is kinda done with the game so i think its gonna be between austin and devon. i think devon is who is going to come back, he is handling this perfectly just chilling and being straight up. otherwise so the people i have spoken to since is: Duncan - a king!! he is one of my oldest org friends, he has a different energy now, am determined to prove to him i'm not annoying anymore - loved that he admitted to me he used to find me annoying Augusto - he is really lovely, already clearly MEGA social which is really scary! i like him a lot tho could be a good person in a swap Devon - seems like a king get good energy from him. think he is painting austin as messier than he is and is spreading the narrative of austin making deals but im not fussed austin- seems sweet but idk if he has handled this round right AJ - a king i like his energy!! but yes hopefully devon comes back and i get a good swap... that we pray for

This was such a simple game when I just had me and my cute lil alliance of 4 and that was just 2 days ago.So much has happened in the past 2 days. -Our alliance of 4 creates an alliance of 5 with aj included. -Adam makes a 4 person alliance of me aj and Augusto. - the vote goes to Adam and we all tell everyone it’s Adam, and then it’s changed to a Austin - Austin wants back and to end the beauties. Also exposed us to Adam -Devon wants to come back but brains also want him back, -Duncan wants to work with me -duncan is super tight with Scott and autumn and wants me to get close to them - I’m getting close to jakey, and building a bond with Jordan and dan. - an interesting dynamic is that Duncan doesn’t like Ali, Duncan loves autumn, and autumn loves Ali. - Adam and jakey are also at odds 

OH MY FUCKING GODDDDD I JUST ... HAD AN EPIPHANY AND IM PROBABLY BEING INSANE, but i think... i think that adam and aj are super close and have a final 2. The vote was originally adam, but the night after we told aj, adam compaigned hard and we all changed our minds. Furthermore, they both knew about the idol system. FURTHERMORE, adam was like "i feel like im missing out on so much" during the unscramble challenge but he had no way of knowing we were all on call. They both know l'shei, they both have the same emoji in their name, they both just replied to me saying something similar at the same time. It is basically all coming together in my head and long story short, we fucked up. Augusto, connor, and kendall have no idea how much we really fucked up but this all could be me making shit up but idk idk ahahahahahahhahahahhahahahaha we r FUCKED AJ HAS AN ALLIANCE WITH ME AND AUG KEND CONNOR IF HE TOLD ADAM LMAAOOOOO WE R FUCKKEDDD

WHEW this game, this game. Y'all have taken me on so many emotions in the past 48 hours I couldn't even stop to processing winning Survivor Reels lmaaaaooo. Y'all really had me do that ugly counting challenge, where I messed up twice and ended up with 5 points only for my Skype to stop working for a good 2+ hours. Then Scott won immunity, which meant I had to kill either my dad Duncan or my bb Devon, which was super darksided. THEN after all that and saying my dramatic ass goodbyes, y'all pull out a buyback??? https://i.imgur.com/kQ6umpV.gif BUT ITS OK BECAUSE NOW I GET TO KEEP BOTH AND THE DADS ARE STILL TOGETHER!!! Devon is staying and we been knew. You know I love him if I'm not even mad that he voted me so everyone remember this moment cause that's usually grounds for dismissal in my world. But ugh I'm so happy y'all don't even know. I've really hit it off with a few people too so I'm just feeling myself. I fucking love Augusto we are the same person no lie and I'm also a big fan of Adam, Jakey, and Amir. So even if I get separated from the dads, I can make this work. I'm ready to swap and I just gotta keep misting man after man which I can definitely handle https://media1.tenor.com/images/fe32b9e859965acabe245a41b77e2153/tenor.gif?itemid=4608580

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February 1st, 2018 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on February 1st, 2018, from 5PM - 7PM PST.  The chat focused on Ellie of the Stars by Shoona Browning.

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✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Ellie of the Stars by Shoona Browning~! (http://www.ellieofthestars.com/) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~!

With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

snuffysam

I love the face-off against the yarnweaver. It was cool seeing Ellie up against such a dangerous adversary.

🎵Tenor🎶

A1: Everything involving the Yarnweaver. That whole scene was a trip but also led to some good plot set up, as well as interesting character development

Eeey :D

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

The weaver scene is cool but my favorite is the slumber party going on right now(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Hiyo. Yeah, actually I liked the transition to the Yarnweaver the first time. Because it was a scene with Talia, and I thought we were transitioning out of a memory, but nope, stuff's actually happening. Got me there, clever.

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

I feel like the comic hadn’t had time to really breathe and make us love those kids as much as it could- it’s a needed scene and a really charming one at that!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Woooo!

I like the part after the faced-off the Yarnweaver and Marble and Nitta cheered Ellie up(edited)

I was like awwwwww

so touching

:'3

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

I have two favorite scenes right now. Firstly, this one, which I feel like was a directed at the audience as well as the characters: http://www.ellieofthestars.com/post/162641612678/thanks-for-reading-be-sure-to-follow-ellie-of And also this one: http://www.ellieofthestars.com/post/103646306306 Mostly because the puns are terrible and I love it.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah i really appreciated Ellie's breakdown cause regardless of her personality, shes still basically just a kid and fighting off against the yarnweaver sounds traumatic at best XD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Mharz - Right. I particularly liked the scene too because it addressed how Ellie was away from her family, which I felt was a thing that should happen.

Nattosoup

Art wise, I really love the transition from black and white to beautifully rendered color, and I feel like it denotes a transition from Ellie's normal life to a life of adventure and unknown.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Natto - Good point, I thought the time it switched to colour worked well.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Oh man those puns made me laugh so hard

snuffysam

Yeah, even though it was probably a coincidence, I feel like that really worked out story-wise

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Ellie is so adorable

:'3

snuffysam

in a wizard of oz sort of way

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

I agree, mharz, ellie is adorable. XD I just wanna hug her

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I like her enthusiasm

snuffysam

i want to hug all the characters

Nattosoup

I love her facial expressions too

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

also I wanna tell her to stop running off to go talk to gods which might actually just be gigantic jerks

Nattosoup

she's so cute and expressive

MathTans the Pun Prince

I think the description in the comic "are you for real" works for Ellie. ^.-

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Ikr, kabocha

ellie pls

MathTans the Pun Prince

Kabocha - Yeah, honestly? She kinda brought the whole Yarnweaver thing on herself. Glad that she considered that too in her breakdown.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

don't go wishing meeting god nilly nally

MathTans the Pun Prince

Marble: "This is a bad idea." Ellie: "No, no, it's fine, see?"

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I like that scene where she packed so much stuffs

MathTans the Pun Prince

Marble's the voice of reason sometimes.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

even duct tapes

Nattosoup

@Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨ Decisions are HARD! You need to be prepared for everything and anything

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i like how the ultimate outcome of that whole adventure was that whoops, no one is still able to read that map. that makes the whole adventure really bittersweet for me since all they gained was a tiny gawd and a lifetime of mental scars

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

peeks

Oh hello!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

xD(edited)

snuffysam

yo, superjustin!

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

eey it's the Snuff!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

LOL Rebel

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Nitta is arguably the cutest reward.

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Just thought I'd drop in and see what's going on in the CTP

Nattosoup

all worth it for Nitta

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Kinda a bit busy myself to participate in full

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

Yeah Nitta is awesome

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

yes

Nitta is adorable

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

(plus previous CTP's kinda burnt me out)

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Aww, that's a terrible shame, Justin. :< This week's comic is super cute and I really think you might like it!

Joichi the Comic Artist

Hi i just dropped by! Catching up on Ellie comic

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

They were even more adorable when Ellie transformed their outfit to a kitty pajama.

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

JOICHI

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

those were good choices in outfits

🎵Tenor🎶

It's been super cute

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

The blanket fort is also super awesome

Joichi the Comic Artist

Hey Justin!

Nattosoup

OMG the outfits

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

I need to learn some blanket fort making techniques

🎵Tenor🎶

/eatin g, sorry will b slow

Nattosoup

I really love Ellie's adorable magical girl outfit, it is the cutest thing ever with those pumpkin shorts

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

you can never go wrong with a good outfit

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, Nitta's the cat's meow.

🎵Tenor🎶

Dude blanket forts are the shit

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

I second that

Nattosoup

Although yes, Kitty PJs were so cute too

🎵Tenor🎶

Gold star on their creation lol

Joichi the Comic Artist

Aww I got hit with shoona's adorable style

Nattosoup

tbh the choices in clothing is really nice in EoS

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

Okay but Netti’s kigirumi aahh

Nattosoup

I really appreciate when comics/artists spend that time

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Also, the Q&A answers.

the last one is pretty amusing

Ellie's face

http://www.ellieofthestars.com/post/167603582969/second-installment-of-our-midchapter-qa

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

The comic has some pretty fun expressions

Overall and throughout

MathTans the Pun Prince

Ellie must already know some magic, right? She's in space without a helmet and breathing okay.

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

spaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

It's defnitely a fun read overall

everything is adorable

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

There's a cute childlike logic to it which I totally dig

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

my fave Q&A was actually i think the one @Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨ asked because the yarnweaver can also be a small jerk

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

and the transition from BW to color is really smooth

LOL

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

I like how much the artist improved over a few pages too

That’s always so gratifying as a reader

snuffysam

Yeah the improvement is really nice!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

ooof I wish my internet is faster so I can get screenies

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

@✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨ to be honest, it was not the answer I was expecting. XD

Nattosoup

@shoona 's art is really just lovely, I love their style in general. It's so soft and gentle

Jonny Aleksey

hi. I only got to read Ch3 but I liked what I read. It was really cute and I like the "kids on chill adventure" vibe.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

yis

:'3

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

eey Jonny

Joichi the Comic Artist

I agree, I'm noticing a nice change within the pages. EotS comic: Her characters are so expressive, I can also imagine how they may sound like.(edited)

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

@Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨ i dont think its the answer anyone was expecting which is what made it great XD

Jonny Aleksey

I remember when my bro and sisters used to make blanet forts. We took up the whole living room

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

dang those sounds like epic amazing forts. ellie clearly needs to up her game O_O

Jonny Aleksey

Oh I guess that answers Q1 :0

@✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨ we had a lot of chairs

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

LOL

🎵Tenor🎶

Desks make great supports too

MathTans the Pun Prince

They've showed great fortitude.

Jonny Aleksey

There was always too much stuff on my tables to use

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

I dunno, the stuff on the tables can be helpful for stabilizing the blanket forts and securing your roof

although it doesn't help much if you have a very stupid cat who likes to walk on them...

🎵Tenor🎶

Use heavier stuff than the cats

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

all of a sudden the contents of the desk, the cat, and the fort all come down

🎵Tenor🎶

I make a fort every other day just about lol

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Pffft

🎵Tenor🎶

Hey kid loves it

Jonny Aleksey

the fort has fallen. EVACUTE!

🎵Tenor🎶

LOL

shoona

ok thats honestly SO cute

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

oh hai shoona nice to see you your comic is super cute and we're enjoying it a lot

shoona

awwwww hahaha thanks!! im really digging the discussion

Jonny Aleksey

Your comic brings back childhood memories

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

thank you for coming @shoona ~!

🎵Tenor🎶

Haai

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

Lovely comic @shoona !

snuffysam

your comic is so cute @shoona !!!

shoona

awwwww thanks!!! and no problem, i really wanted to attend!!!

Joichi the Comic Artist

Hey shoona, your comic reminds me of my middle school days, I'd love to pick up these kind of stories. I was really into comics with fun girl leads and space(edited)

Nattosoup

if it's not too off topic, @shoona what are some of your big influences art and storywise?

shoona

aaaa that makes me so happy!!! i really wanted to make something i would have loved in elementary/middle school!!

MathTans the Pun Prince

So here's a question/wondering... I like how the hairstyles of grandma and the prince/princess resemble stars themselves. But others don't have that hairstyle... so it it only a royalty thing, maybe?

Nattosoup

Oh i thought they ARE stars?(edited)

am I missing something?

shoona

oh man @Nattosoup ....Cardcaptor Sakura (that ones p obvious) and other magical girl series, but also more recently webcomics like cucumber quest and shows like steven universe inspire me a lot

Jonny Aleksey

I didn't notice that! Just that her hair was like, a part of her.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe I'm misinterpreting because I play around with hairstyles myself.

Nattosoup

I really feel like Ellie of the Stars fits so well in that cadre too

like, i'd expect to see it b/w the SU artbook and CCS at a library

shoona

They're star people!!! the hairstyles are up to the individual person's style!

you'll get to see more star people with different hair styles soon :3

Joichi the Comic Artist

Answer: My favorite scene is with Grandma giving tea to Marble and Ellie: http://www.ellieofthestars.com/post/100187316614(edited)

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

granny is really just too adorable.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Another randomness, at first I thought Nitta was communicating by making words appear around her by magic that other characters would read... but I gather it's a telepathy thing? So I wonder if she just turns on general broadcast, or whether she could say something to Ellie that Marble couldn't hear, or vice versa.

shoona

nitta uses sign language :>

MathTans the Pun Prince

OH. That's awesome. I did not pick up on that, oops.

I guess when she was talking about the Yarnweaver being in her head, I got confuzzled.

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

These expressions

I love them

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

QUESTION 2. Despite Ellie being only 14 years old, she’s determined to save the Star Prince and Princess. However, at current, none of the kids seem to know where they are. How do you think they will find them? Will that map of the Yarnweaver’s reveal hidden secrets or will they figure out their location in some other fashion? How will Ellie’s astronomical knowledge hinder or help their quest? Besides finding the location, what other trials do you think our protagonists might face?

shoona

nah its cool!!! its never explicityly stated that thats how they talk so i can see how someone might miss it!

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Use the internet *shot

MathTans the Pun Prince

Do the Star People know computers? They had only a library and magic.

Like, legit question, I'm wondering.

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

I’m interested to see how the books Ellie brought on her quest and her astronomy knowledge will come into play

Nattosoup

@saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan) same here!

I love when creators are able to weave something that sorta starts off as a bit of a joke (Ellie overpacks) into something that can save the day!

snuffysam

I think the map itself will be a dead end, but Ellie's astronomy knowledge could save the day here!

shoona

it was really important to me that eots had a strong book/story motif so im sorta gently ignoring computers as wonderful as they are @MathTans the Pun Prince ;p

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe the map only seems like gibberish because Nitta's using the wrong point of reference. Which Ellie could figure out. Stars'll look different depending on the planet you see them from.

Nattosoup

@shoona that also gives it a timeless feel though

MathTans the Pun Prince

shoona: That's cool! I was glad they weren't just asking Siri stuff, just curious.

Nattosoup

which i think makes it relatable to a wider range of people

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

You know, I think while the map might not be any good... I think Ellie, Marble, and Nitta will probably find the Yarnweaver's journal or something. Or a book that was written by the Yarnweaver! And it'll have ALL THE SECRETS

and maybe a silly secret about how the yarnweaver really likes to wear bunny slippers when nobody's around

shoona

LMAO

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

oh geez that just makes me picture the yarnweaver even angrier as hes like how dare you read my private diary

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

really, the yarnweaver is just grumpy because nobody's let him have a nice cup of tea

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe Ellie's duct tape can help the Yarnweaver with those bandages.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I went to get breakfast

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

all yarnweaver wants to do is tell a story, get a cup of tea, and maybe be pampered

also listen to some tally hall

shoona

don't we ALL

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

XD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yarnweaver can really turn on the tears though when needed.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

but on with what @MathTans the Pun Prince was saying i am curious how ellie's knowledge factors in cause stars do look diff from diff locations so trying to follow constellations youre familiar with isnt so easy XD

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I wonder if the stars have different people living there

🎵Tenor🎶

2. I'd like to think that there's more to the map. Just because the Yarnweaver had a hand in little Nitta's creation doesn't mean they know everything. Besides, they say people can be inspired by the real deal, so maybe it's coded or something just enough Nitta has no clue and it just seems like nothing.

MathTans the Pun Prince

I liked how Marble was like, astronomy/geography, same diff.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

LOL Same Math

same difference

Nattosoup

it would be to a star traveller, so that was a pretty cute bit of dialogue

that does a good job implying that this sort of travel is casual for Marble.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

at least they don't worry about not being able to breathe in space

Nattosoup

TBH I'm really glad shoona set it up that way

b/c i feel like solving that problem in comic time would've been a bit slow for younger readers

plus it's sorta a magic adventure, and being able to breathe in space ties in to that IMO

shoona

tbh when it comes to logic stuff i like to play it fast and loose and just go with whatever is fun

MathTans the Pun Prince

Tenor: So they just need to crack the code.

🎵Tenor🎶

Well they'd have to realize it's a code first.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

just connect the dots or something

maybe it'll form an arrow

pointing to the location

🎵Tenor🎶

Lol "X marks the spot"

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

take three steps to the east

then fifteen to the north

shoona

LOL

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

then dig 5000 ft

shoona

"fifteen what? years?"

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

that's where the prince and princess lie

🎵Tenor🎶

"Lie"

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

fifteen steps

🎵Tenor🎶

JESUS MHARZ

Just straight up "Nah son dey ded"

shoona

hahahahaha

dam

MathTans the Pun Prince

They wouldn't lie! They should tell the truth.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

it's all written in the stars.

/shots

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i think because of how kid-oriented the comic comes off the leaps in logic are fine (like how they breathe in space). because part of it always makes me wonder if the story is exaggerated a bit cause kid imagination and logic. maybe its all a fantasy and marble is just some new kid who moved next door and theyre playing in the backyard

🎵Tenor🎶

Same could be true for Nitta. Explains why a god uses sign language and not, like, telepathy. Assuming it's not both since the kids seem to understand them

Now I imagine Marble crashed his bike in Ellie's backyard

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Ellie's mom is probably maaaaaaaaaaad

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

I heard something about sign language

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

and worried

Nattosoup

ahaha that would be such an adorable AU

MathTans the Pun Prince

Marble isn't a kid at all. He's just a marble that Ellie's been talking to this whole time, sitting in the backyard. Talia's worried about her.

Nattosoup

or even like bonus comic (or a really cute reveal)

🎵Tenor🎶

..would that make the yarnweaver Nitta's like, cranky highschool older sibling?

MathTans the Pun Prince

SuperJ: Nitta communicates using it.

🎵Tenor🎶

Asshole bully who just wants their lemon fanfic read

shoona

chokes

🎵Tenor🎶

;D

Nattosoup

this said though, I honestly really love that Nitta uses signlanguage and NOT telepathy

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

welp was still kid friendly and then tenor ruined it

shoona

TENOR OH MY GOD

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Yarnweaver should just weave comics and post it to tapas(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yarnweaver doesn't like that people reject his ships.

🎵Tenor🎶

Tenor's here to ruin everything hush.

Nattosoup

since this is an all ages comic, its really lovely to see that sort of rep in such a beautiful, sweet way

🎵Tenor🎶

Besides how many kids these days know what a lemon fanfic is?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

google is your friend

MathTans the Pun Prince

Tenor: You make me feel old with that.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

omg Tenor

I look away for ONE MINUTE and lemon comes up

🎵Tenor🎶

Natto: Yees~

Mharz: How many kids know how to use google

Fuck look at how many adults don't know how to google

Nattosoup

I feel like EotS is a super accessible comic that has a beautiful variety of characters and abilities

🎵Tenor🎶

I feel they're safe

Kabo: I'm not apologizing.

Nattosoup

and the world really needs that

snuffysam

tenor!!!

🎵Tenor🎶

:D

snuffysam

you swore in the middle of refusing to apologize for ruining the chat!!!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Natto: Agreed. And they have some flaws which they reveal too.

🎵Tenor🎶

Math: It's ok I'm probably older (but have heard cute stories about how people found out about what lemon meant lmao.)

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah i agree with @Nattosoup that the comic is just...really beautiful. like its filling a missing piece of lit for its target audience of kids

🎵Tenor🎶

Snuffy: ... but I always swear lol

MathTans the Pun Prince

Tenor: I'm over 40. x.x I'm not really in this comic's demographic, but still liked it. ^.-

🎵Tenor🎶

Also I figured out what Ellie's facial expressions remind me of. Steven Universe - in the sense of when you see it, you can feel the emotion because you k now that wide ass smile that that's probably how it feels to have it.

Math: -GASP- someone older then me what's this witchcraft

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

LOOL

MathTans the Pun Prince

Interesting, I hadn't picked up on that, but now that you mention it I can see it.

snuffysam

the sparkles that sometimes appear in the characters' eyes also help with feeling the emotion (see: "i'm in SPACE")

🎵Tenor🎶

Yeees

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

I will be so sad if this comic ends up being just a dream :<

MathTans the Pun Prince

They can't go to a space bar though. No computers.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

what struck me as SU like was the tears cause man those were huge tears. the sort of tears that bash you over the head with the sad and ask if youre feeling it yet

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

yus

🎵Tenor🎶

sslfkj

Nattosoup

i really love tears like that

you see them in Ghibli films too

snuffysam

at the same time, if it is just a dream, it's still a cute comic about childhood imagination

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

@Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨ really? i wouldnt sad if it was a dream. most just respectful of how robust child imagination can be.

Nattosoup

it's like, the emotion is so big, it's overflowing

bubbling forth

shoona

i love me some ghibli tears

Nattosoup

i really really love how emotive the kids are in EotS, and how @shoona not only draws that emotion, but the reactions to emotion

MathTans the Pun Prince

Anyone see the "Little Prince" movie? I'm suddenly reminded of it.

🎵Tenor🎶

Not me

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I DID

MathTans the Pun Prince

What with the trip to space and is it a dream.

shoona

i just wanna draw kids being friends and supporting eachother!!!!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I read the book too(edited)

one of my faves

shoona

i havent seen or read it but its on my list!!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yeah, I read the book long ago... it's here somewhere...

Could be more inspiration!

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I was actually thinking that it somehow reminds me of the Little Prince

I'd totally like to see Ellie travel to the stars

I mean different stars

MathTans the Pun Prince

Hollywood stars?

saetje (Tracy MacLauchlan)

I can see the little prince comparisons

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

in a way she has cause id assume shes no longer in our solar system. unless the star people live on like venus or something and nobody told me O_O

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I'm totally curious if there are different ppl living in the stars

Nattosoup

there was a really nice anime in the 80's for the Little Prince, it might be floating around YT

oh it would be interesting to sorta get idea of what star system EotS takes place

just from like a nerdy POV

MathTans the Pun Prince

There was a Saturday morning cartoon of Little Prince too, if memory serves. Unless it was a translation of the anime.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I bet Ellie will totally geek out of seeing the stars up close

Nattosoup

on that note, it also sorta gives me Little Nemo vibes

MathTans the Pun Prince

The sun's also a star though, and she's seen it.

Nattosoup

but i think it's b/c it's adorable, round cheeked expressive kiddos on big adventures(edited)

that are somewhat dreamlike

MathTans the Pun Prince

Then there's S.T.A.R.S., but no need to bring zombies into this...

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes i totally agree with the little nemo vibes which is why i wouldnt be miffed if ellie woke up and it was all a dream. because if it ended the way the movie did theres always that question of whether it was a dream or not.

Nattosoup

oh you know, that's a good point @✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

Nattosoup

a certain subset of readers have been somewhat primed by media that has a similar vibe to expect the "it was all a sweet dream' ending

that's not a bad thing either, it will be interesting to see how it pans out

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

QUESTION 3. All the current events are set into motion from the attack that happened on The Star Kingdom in the past. Where did the monster that attacked come from? Was it all just bad luck or is there a more sinister, complicated mystery going on? Additionally, why haven’t the Star Prince and Princess returned? Is it as Ellie was told that they’re so far away they don’t know it’s safe, or is there perhaps another reason that prevents their return? Lastly, if the Star Prince and Princess return, will they be able to restore the kingdom to its former glory?

MathTans the Pun Prince

It was a dream.... and then Ellie summons her sword. O.o

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Yarnweaver made it

Nattosoup

whoa, good questions in 3 there

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

@Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨ I'mma agree

Yarnweaver's pullin' strings.

Nattosoup

I have to think there's more going on than they just don't realize it's safe to return yet

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

that darn yarnweaver

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Yarnweaver likes to add spice to his story

snuffysam

Do we know for sure it's safe for them to return? Maybe the monster's been following the prince and princess all this time.

MathTans the Pun Prince

They don't have cab fare. Can't get back.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

cus happy and peaceful = boring

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Maybe the prince and princess got eaten, but they're little tiny stars right now

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

@snuffysam i wondered that myself. cause clearly the monster is nowhere in the star kingdom. so maybe its following them

snuffysam

and if they were to return, it would just put the kingdom in danger again

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

another theory is Prince and Princes might be behind all of this

🎵Tenor🎶

I'm banking on Yarnweaver myself

snuffysam

they just wanted a vacation

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

they made a family from a galaxy far far away.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Yarnweaver really just... wants some recognition for a well-told story. But if Yarnweaver wants to be recognized, yarnweaver needs to end the story with a happy ending

MathTans the Pun Prince

Don't we only have the Yarnweaver's word that there was a monster after the royalty? I mean, there was the attack from Marble's point of view, but maybe it was for another reason. Then Yarnweaver spun the story, because... ratings.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

poor yarnweaver. no wonder hes grumpy. everyone assumes hes the villain

🎵Tenor🎶

Because they 'wanted a story to be known' and well, why repeat that story when they could have literally caused the effects to happen - what if Yarnweaver was planning for Ellie to get away because they need a heroine to finish the story and bring it to a conclusion so cast themselves as the villian?

One big long con

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe it's a test. Fail the test, try on another planet.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Hey, if telling a tale is also known as spinning a yarn...

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe the monster was a test too, of the Prince.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

and weaving a tale

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Yarnweaver just wants to troll everyone

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Yarnweaver is silver, confirmed

🎵Tenor🎶

Also Yarnweaver's eye keeps changing colors

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

id buy this yarnweaver theory tho. its all just a game to weave a cool story.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

or maybe yarnweaver just wants to make friends

🎵Tenor🎶

spoiler: More than one yarnweaver, flee.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Yarnweaver wants to get on the NY Times bestseller list legitimately.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

in a not so pleasant way

🎵Tenor🎶

...what is Nitta's the one pulling the strings but needed a villian so made Yarnweaver.

if*

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

gasp

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Is Nitta an anagram for anything?! QUICK, LET'S DECONSTRUCT THIS

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

what if Ellie's mom is the yarnweaver(edited)

/shots

🎵Tenor🎶

xD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Nitta = Tan it.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Somehow I feel like nitta is a play for knit since Yarn

MathTans the Pun Prince

There are many Yarnweavers, all different sizes.

Nattosoup

ooo

MathTans the Pun Prince

Mharz: That's pretty brilliant, nice catch.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Oh, good point, Mharz

Nitta = Knitter

snuffysam

yeah thats probably it

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

@shoona can you confirm

Nattosoup

so perhaps a puppet? or a pawn?

MathTans the Pun Prince

We shouldn't be too nittapicky.

shoona

HEH

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

nitta was jealous of the yarnweaver always weaving good tales so she stole his to make it her own.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe Nitta was the monster. Yarnweaver imprisoned it inside her. When they finally meet the Prince, true colours are revealed.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

maybe the monster was created by a rival kingdom cause the star kingdom kept getting all the tourism.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

XD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Heh, I thought about that.

It's the fault of the Moon Kingdom. Darn it, Serenity.

snuffysam

we really dont know anything about nitta's backstory, huh? like, were they born, or were they created for some purpose?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

PFFT

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Looks like we need some more loredumps?

MathTans the Pun Prince

Snuffy: You mean Gods?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

all their chara profile says is "Nitta is related to The Yarnweaver, though to what extent nobody is entirely sure. Yarnweaver calls them his niece, which seems fake but ok."(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

(Or was that 'they' in the singular and I'm just dense...)

✨Respheal✨

Singular they yes

snuffysam

yeah i meant singular they

MathTans the Pun Prince

My bad.

✨Respheal✨

(Hi I derped on time but I'm hereeeeeeee and EotS is so cute <3)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Nitta's a niece person.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

best squad

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Pajama squad is where all the cool kids rule

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

yessss

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

oh lol i did not notice before that nitta was making the nya hand pose

✨Respheal✨

Yes there's no way Nitta could be menacing. I kinda got the gist they might take Yarnweaver's place some day?

MathTans the Pun Prince

Where DO the Gods come from though. Evolved from the Star Kingdom? Do they just hang out there?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

they did it in all the panels

of that page

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

They're Gods, they just exist

snuffysam

that might be it? like, nitta is a young yarnweaver?

if gods just exist, how old is nitta? infinite?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i assume nitta was created in a sense to apprentice to the yarnweaver. that is my assumption.

shoona

you're spot on

MathTans the Pun Prince

Rebel: But by whom?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

or maybe yarny is lonely so they made a company

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

by the yarnweaver.

i assume

once again

MathTans the Pun Prince

Is Nitta actually young, or is she 903 and just looks young for a God?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

he's yarning for someone to talk to

snuffysam

by yarnweaver's sibling? since thats what a niece is

Nattosoup

haha that's if Nitta is actually related to the Yarnweaver

a lot of people will refer to their friends kids as their nieces/nephews

or even just adopted family

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

^

snuffysam

true true

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

maybe Nitta is extracted from Yarny's body

snuffysam

gross

MathTans the Pun Prince

Um? My sister-in-law has a daughter who's a niece, but she's not directly related.

Nattosoup

yeah

like that.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

they're made of yarn at least

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

you don't get questioned as much if you say someone's your neice or nephew as you would if they were your child

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

or I least I think Nitta was made of yarn

Nattosoup

My godfather isn't related to me at all, but I grew up calling him Uncle Calvin

@Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨ I would 200% that if i could

hey Yarnweaver, why does this kid live with you?

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oooh, Yarnweaver is Nitta's GOD father.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Nitta is Yarny 2.0 -- cuter and overall better. Less bandaged. Not falling apart I guess

Nattosoup

no idk, i'm just giving an example of a non related niece

MathTans the Pun Prince

I'm using it to try to advance a strange theory.

snuffysam

as is the norm

MathTans the Pun Prince

(String theory? With yarn?)

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

aaaaaaaa

✨Respheal✨

Oh lord

Joichi the Comic Artist

whoa im so behind on reading answers.. I just chuckled at some and then missing 20+ messages later(edited)

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Math is pulling out the strings

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

I'm feeling awful strung along now

MathTans the Pun Prince

We've reached the puppet tier.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

you could say Yarny knitted Nitta(edited)

Nattosoup

gettin kinda strung out eh?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

wait maybe yarnweaver had to make nitta. maybe the bandages are more than just how yarnweaver likes to dress and more cause yarnweaver is falling apart

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yarnweaver is a god MUMMY.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Eventually Yarny will possess Nitta

✨Respheal✨

Nooooooo ;o;

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Someone hands shoona a Yarnweaver amigurumi and says: "I'm no Nitta, but I can crochet"(edited)

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

PFT

Yarny turns into a sweater

shoona

id be so charmed

snuffysam

yarnweaver is a mummy mummy that knitted nitta

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

You could say Yarnweaver is really Nitta's mummy?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Yarny will become a christmas sweater

snuffysam

yup, knitted nitta's mummy is a mummy

MathTans the Pun Prince

So, where could the Prince and Princess be hiding that couldn't be seen by a God? Can Nitta use her powers to know where she CAN'T see, thereby leading them to a possible location?

(Sorry for a suddenly intelligent question.)

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

A sweater? There's enough bandage there for a blanket!

@MathTans the Pun Prince --- Hm, I'm not sure Yarnweaver's omnipotent, so that might be working in their favor

MathTans the Pun Prince

I have a blanket denial for that. sweater drop

snuffysam

nitta is typically referred to as a demigod i think? so maybe that's just outside their power

MathTans the Pun Prince

Snuffy: Fair point. Would Yarnweaver know a possible place though, maybe that's what the crypitc map's about?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

5000 ft underground(edited)

O_O

MathTans the Pun Prince

What ground? It's space.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

considering nitta is treated like a kid regardless of nitta's actual age i imagine nitta wouldnt have good control over all the supposed weaving powers

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

there are huge stars in the galaxy

🎵Tenor🎶

@shoona Your style is hard to replicate but AH TRIED !

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

ooooh

it's adorable

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oh wow, that's real good.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

SO CUTE, TENOR

🎵Tenor🎶

THANK

snuffysam

yarny might just straight up know, but he's a jerk and isn't telling. he'd have a hard time telling stories if he didn't know where his characters were.

🎵Tenor🎶

STILL GOTTA PRACTICE CURVES

shoona

@🎵Tenor🎶 OH MY GOSH THIS IS WONDERFUL AND I LOVE IT SO MUCH??????????????? THIS IS BEAUTIFUL

🎵Tenor🎶

And cute 14 year old is excellent excuse lmao

snuffysam

also very cute, tenor!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Maybe he's hiding the truth from himself.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

maybe it's just ploy of the royalty

MathTans the Pun Prince

Prince: "We need a vacation. Let's wish for a monster attack and go to Tahiti in the confusion."

🎵Tenor🎶

@shoona Glad you like~ <3

klsdjhalk.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

im kind of in between and assume yarnweaver doesnt know. but could know if so desired. just hasnt bothered and is like "eh theyre somewhere. at least those star kingdom ppl arent sending em stuff anymore and i can take a vacation."

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Yarnweaver handwaved their location.

MathTans the Pun Prince

It's all about vacations.

IN SPACE.

🎵Tenor🎶

Maybe they wanted a baby star and to do that you needed to jump through legal hoops and they said screw that and found a way to dip out :D

MathTans the Pun Prince

I think that's the lemon Yarnweaver was writing.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

omg

math

🎵Tenor🎶

Hey ain't gotta write lemon for people to want a bby.

For all we know they just gotta cheek nuzzle and a baby pops out from the sparks

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

maybe theyre dead and ellie and marble become the new star royalty.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

They're star people, all you need is sufficient gravity and matter

MathTans the Pun Prince

But not too much, or you get a black hole.

🎵Tenor🎶

fFFf

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Well, depends on how much matter you have clumped together

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

LOOOL

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yis. It matters.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

now i like to think they havent returned cause theyre collecting stardust so they can make that baby

and are flying around with huge nets

✨Respheal✨

Playing katamari damacy with stardust(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Is it Ziggy stardust?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

QUESTION 4. The comic deals with several themes regarding family, self-confidence, and love. In particular, though, confidence plays a big role within the story. What do you think Ellie and Marble will learn about confidence over the course of their adventure? Will they both find themselves more confident after the adventure, or will there still be some kinks to work out? How might their lives change with a change in their self-confidence? Likewise, how might their lives change in general after the adventure (especially considering Ellie more or less ran away from home)?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

OMG RES

🎵Tenor🎶

Res + Rebel: Yup. Now my headcanon.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

what if they are playing katamari damacy

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Marble will learn not to be as much of a grouch.

snuffysam

assuming this isn't a dream, talia is probably pretty worried

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

And to forgive himself for not having gone to help his sister. He's a kid!

Marble needs to learn how to be a kid!

MathTans the Pun Prince

I think Marble's confidence will grow, like when he used that grappling hook like a BOSS.

snuffysam

actually how long has it been so far? like one day?

MathTans the Pun Prince

One day I think, yes.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

Ellie will learn that not all wishes has to come true

🎵Tenor🎶

4. I think just this twist with the Yarnweaver (Who I keep typing as yawnmaster for some reason) really showed the confidenc eblow and learning about finding one's footing because without a 'leg' to stand on you can have all the hope and tenacity you want but it won't get you anywhere. You need that focus to go with your drive or you'll miss your mark. I'm pretty sure they got more to explore though, we just got to see the tip of the iceberg. :D

MathTans the Pun Prince

Sometimes when you get what you wish for, it wasn't what you expected at all.

Pffffft, yawnmaster.

🎵Tenor🎶

He'd kill me I'm sure-

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Yawnmaster seems like a dig Ellie might throw at him

🎵Tenor🎶

LOL

omg I'd die

MathTans the Pun Prince

"Just go to sleep!"

shoona

i love it xDDD

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

(edited)

MathTans the Pun Prince

Has a master's degree in yawning.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

@🎵Tenor🎶 those are some excellent points about hope and tenacity and i really loved the comic played it that way.

Joichi the Comic Artist

rofl! master's degree

MathTans the Pun Prince

Truth. Granny's pretty good at imparting the wisdom too.

She's also great at rolling with the punches.

🎵Tenor🎶

I bet Granny's seen some shit in her time

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yeah i hope they visit granny lots. granny is wise and i think makes a good grounding element for the kids being...well kids

snuffysam

yeah i love how granny is the person to go to at the end of the day. or when things get too heavy to handle.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Granny used to run a tea shop, maybe. Had to close down. Yarnweaver misses her tea.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

or the opposite. yarnweaver wants to open a tea business and had to make sure granny was put out of business

Nattosoup

ohhh snap, cut throat

🎵Tenor🎶

LOL Had nothing to do with the royals, needed granny's shop destroyed

shoona

xDDD

i love this AU y'all are spinning

🎵Tenor🎶

Hey until shown otherwise it's potential canon ;D /shot

shoona

Ellie of the Stars: Tea Wars

🎵Tenor🎶

LOL

Yes xD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Prince and Princess won't come back until the tea shop's reopened.

That's all they need to do.

Nattosoup

they were all just a ploy

🎵Tenor🎶

The star they're now on is the last place to get that special blend untli the shop is reopened.

MathTans the Pun Prince

"special" blend.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

so the whole adventure is them figuring out how to reinvigorate granny's love of tea while hoping yarnweaver doesnt get that small business loan

shoona

xDDD

MathTans the Pun Prince

Yarnweaver tried to use Nitta as collateral. Didn't go well.

shoona

oh no!!!

MathTans the Pun Prince

We haven't talked that much about Marble and his sister. That was a nice relationship, I thought.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i really want to know why he was living with his sister tho.

MathTans the Pun Prince

I thought it was just while he was in town.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

XD

Joichi the Comic Artist

yeah I really like Marble and his sister River's relationship

MathTans the Pun Prince

Right, that's the name!

🎵Tenor🎶

Why didn't Marble go ohme. Not like he can't drive places >__>

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i thought it might be just cause he was in town. but maybe it was a perma solution.

MathTans the Pun Prince

Can't afford the gas.

Joichi the Comic Artist

hahah was he driving a spaceship without a license?(edited)

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

what tenor said

why hasnt he gone home

unless his parents are dead

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Good question

MathTans the Pun Prince

He doesn't want to go home without his sister, maybe.

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

is there any food at the house

or a bed?

shoona

LOL so this is something that will sortof be touched on later!!!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Oooh, spoilers.

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Poor marble :<

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

mmm spoiled rotten

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

aww marble

MathTans the Pun Prince

I wonder if Ellie reminds Marble of his sister in some ways? Maybe that's why he went to check her out?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

maybe. i think marble was just desperate tbh XDXD

MathTans the Pun Prince

(Did River have a loud voice?)

There's that too.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

couldnt find anyone whod help

was just like "okay first person theyre the one."

i wonder what he was doing in ellie's part of the galaxy tho

MathTans the Pun Prince

I figured searching for Prince and Princess. Though I guess he hadn't questioned the locals yet, since he talked to Ellie about doing that.

Seems like that'd be a better first step. Unless locals didn't like to talk to him.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

are there locals besides granny O_O

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Marble might have been looking for his sister, too

MathTans the Pun Prince

I guess I somehow figured his sister's with the Prince and Princess. Still trying to protec.

Rebel: There must be. Who would she play bridge with?

snuffysam

so if marble is away from home looking for his sister (and the royals)... i guess he's technically a runaway too?

did all three main characters run away from home to go on this adventure?

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

River left Marble to granny tho(edited)

snuffysam

oh yeah true

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

granny is a really bad babysitter

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

granny pls

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

Granny: Oh you're going on a deep space adventure, Marble? Well have fun.

Nattosoup

how old is Marble though, I assume he's the same age as Ellie, ish?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

hes 12

MathTans the Pun Prince

Granny left the keys to the star car right by the front door.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

according to his profile

Nattosoup

oh whoa really? I'd assumed he was older!(edited)

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

same

shoona

he's a baby boy

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

I thought Ellie was younger(edited)

Nattosoup

even 12 doesn't really require much babysitting though

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

derp

Nattosoup

I wouldn't say Granny is a bad babysitter, as she's allowing Marble to experience life

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

Marble's also VERY GROWN UP (don't tell him otherwise)

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Babies can be grown up, right?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

i guess it all depends on how far ellie is from the star kingdom. like for all i know marble getting there was just like...a few blocks from granny's house on a space scale

MathTans the Pun Prince

Granny's tagged Marble with a GPS. She knows where he is at all times. ^.^

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

O_O

MathTans the Pun Prince

Marble attend school at all then?

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

yes

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

http://www.ellieofthestars.com/

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

Marble smart

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

most recent Q&A

which marble's answer makes me go "oh nvm he can space adventure all he wants then i guess"

MathTans the Pun Prince

Well, that was his old school.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

oh if you mean at current

of course not

school gets in the way of ADVENTURE

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

I disliked most of school growing up

it's boring as f

MathTans the Pun Prince

Just wondering if he went out cruising on Friday night, it's been Saturday, and soon he'll need to get back to classes.

Or if Granny will write him sick notes.

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

awww granny sick notes >v>

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

@shoona -- what has marble's school life been like?

snuffysam

granny moonlights as a dj

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

tell us(edited)

snuffysam

drops sick notes

MathTans the Pun Prince

I'm sure it's been marbleous.

Not sworded at all.

shoona

@Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨ this might be a LITTLE in the spoiler zone but river and marble attended something that was sortof like a military training academy for knights and such

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

lol

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

so he IS sort of a knight!

Superjusting of ✨Time🕑&Space☄✨

So much spoilers

shoona

in training!

MathTans the Pun Prince

Ohhh, so he doesn't go to school in the day. Only at knight time.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

not just fully pledge yet

so Marble is not entirely lying

Kabocha, Marquess of ✨Sparkle✨

he has no prince or princess to swear fealty to right now

shoona

right

MathTans the Pun Prince

Well, maybe they should investigate the throne room next. Prince/Princess might have left a clue behind.

Lady Mharz of ✨Pretty Women✨

true

shoona

<v<

✨🐱 RebelVampire 🐱✨

they left their receipt for their cruise ship

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to Shoona Browning, as well, for volunteering Ellie of the Stars for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support Shoona Browning’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at rebelvampire@startfaire.com.

With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on Petra’s Apartment by Krazy. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (February 8th) from 5PM to 7PM PST~! Until then~! Comic: https://krazy-dog.deviantart.com/gallery/62827187/Petra-s-Apartment

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okay HOLY SHIT

I just remembered that show Gargoyles that I loved as a kid, and I decided to rewatch it, and its SOMEHOW EVEN BETTER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS?? Like holy fuck?? It has one of the best introductions to any show ever! Did I just never see the first episode as a kid, or did all the implications fly over my head when I watched it??

Okay so.. like.. I knew the PREMISE but I didnt expect it all happened in the least expected way! The friggin theme tune tells us that blablabla ancient magical guardian creatures fell under some sort of curse and now they’re revived in modern times, such and such, there you go a one sentence plot. BUT HOW IT HAPPENED HOW it happened oh GOD And like the show starts with a whole hour long flashback to the gargoyles back in olden times?? like thats a really bold move! usually in kids shows theyre like ‘you MUST establish the status quo/episode formula right away’. here we literally only saw two minutes of modern times america. TWO MINUTES! some person we dont know finds some mysterious monster. now lets throw that all away and spend a whole glorious hour establishing how much of an upstanding man that damn monster is, and how the universe treats him like shit. like weirdly enough it raises hype for the modern day episode formula even as it shows none of it?? it makes the audience think ‘WAIT WTF THEYRE NOT EVIL, OH NO WE ALREADY KNOW THE MODERN POLICE IS GONNA ATTACK THEM’ :< And then also we get ANOTHER HOUR AND A HALF of establishing the modern day status quo too?? theyre labelled on dvds and stuff as the first five episodes, but really this was just one big 2 and half hour movie premiere! i wish i could have seen it in its original form back when it first aired, i just remember that it was really hard to catch reruns of the multi part stuff cos toon disney had a lot of airing issues

anyway WHY IS THIS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER?

okay

OKAY OKAY

Here’s our premise! We start off in some ambiguously set medieval kingdom where everyone dresses like a mashup of vikings and englishmen yet have scottish accents ok seriously thats kinda distracting And we’re introduced to this small castle kingdom that’s protected by mysterious guardian creatures of amazing character design. Like seriously i wish they didnt focus so much on this ‘all the main gargoyles have to look more human’ thing, the comic relief teenagers trio was my favourite and also THE COOL GRANDPA EYEPATCH GARGOYLE ok ok im getting offtopic So in this universe gargoyles are a sentient species of winged noble warrior doods, who just happen to have a problem of turning to stone in sunlight. And they protect these humans but the humans are all assholes who’re like WAH BUT THEY LOOK LIKE CHRISTIAN DEMONS THEY MUST BE EVIL even as theyre like.. mid-being-saved. Absolute dumbasses. And seriously YOU BUILT YOUR CITY ON THE GARGOYLES’S LAND! You should count yourself lucky their leader is Niceman Mc Patience who agreed to a peace treaty instead of kicking your ass. Seriously Goliath you kinda comprimised too much! It really fuckin sucks!! The gargoyles are like.. employed by the humans for no form of pay?? They get literally nothing out of it! Except less room to live in their own home, and constant degredation.

Okay so THE HUMAN CHARACTERS AND THEIR CONSTANT DEGREDATION

We’re introduced to the princess and royal vizier dude when the kindly knight captain is like ‘hey you should say thank you to the gargoyles, not me’, and she’s like HOW DARE YOU LET THE BEASTS INSIDE THE HOUSE! Like seriouslt the gargoyles arent even allowed to be seen by humans?? Theyre supposed to protect them every damn day but also should never speak and never have any form of rights as sentient beings. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR DAMAGE, MEDIEVAL DOODS?? So yeah here’s our brief summary of the everyone here: * Fucking asshole princess who acts like you let your dog shit on the floor if you give a friggin sentient being and king of another civilization the basic courtesy of being allowed to STAND INSIDE THE HOUSE * Cliche evil vizier lookin dood who doesnt really have much personality shown yet except being a sycophant to her anti gargoyle shit, and like.. from his character design you totally expect he’s gonna be evil. *shrug* * Niceman mc guardman who treats Goliath like a friend and is being all activist for gargoyle rights amoung the court. But also he’s really low ranking apparantly, and doesnt have any power to affect change. It seems that he’s been treated like shit by these royals for a long time... * One innocent nice kiddo who wants to hug the gargoyles for saving him, but his jerkass mum is all OMG HOW DARE YOU TOUCH HIM HEY EVERYONE YOU SAW THEY TOTALLY ATTACKED US RIGHT Like seriously he just fuckin tries to start a conversation with the younger gargoyles, and is all ‘youre my hero!’ and they have a nice talk that establishes a load of worldbuilding like how gargoyle culture doesnt have any form of names and Goliath only has one cos the humans gave it to him. Screw you, worldbuilding interruption predjudice mom!

Okay so now we have our premise, and we see some mysterious guy in a hood sneaking out of the castle to ally with some raiders who wanna overthrow the country and steal all its riches. Also a minor scene of the teen and kid gargoyle group being sent to their room for 'causing trouble’ even though seriously the humans started it >_> So like.. we all know where this is going, right? Its a pretty big omen when you give us a contrived circumstance for the children to be the only ones who can be safe from this impending catastrophe... And the voice was very gruff and deep so its probably not the princess doing this shit, plus duh she already has all the power so why would she need to stage a coup? Really, the question now is just what vizier man’s motives are for wanting to betray her!

... EXCEPT

This is where the story gets fuckin great, and also where My Soul Is Pained

hey guess who was really the traitor? its.... nice guard man! fffffuck its sooo creepy when the princess is running for help and she’s like HEY THANK GOD YOURE HERE and then he has this big slasher smile and reveals his plan T_T And like.. he’s still.. not really evil?? Nobody here is evil, except the personalityless plot device raider guys who just exist to set up this circumstance. The princess is an ungrateful predjudiced asshole, but she’s beloved by her human subjects and i mean., she never actually does anything evil, she’s just rude and nasty. And the vizier was a complete red herring and actually all his mysterious shit was just him hiding a crush on the princess, so he breaks down when he thinks she’s dead :( And then guard guy also wasnt lying about caring about the gargoyles. he tried to get them to leave so that only the humans would die, but then like.. his ambition overtook that one shred of loyalty he had to his friends. He thought he could get through all this without having to kill them, but when the raider guy insists upon it he ends up agreeing rather than lose his chance at stealing the throne. And then its really slimy how he’s all ‘BUT I DIDNT INTEND THIS ORIGINALLY, ITS ALL RAIDER GUY’S FAULT’ after goliath shows up and cries over the corpses of his family, like seriously what the fuck dude dont try and weasel out of consequences for your actions. But still it feels like he was once a genuinely good guy who just gave in to his selfishness and abandoned his morals?? And i mean its super justified for him to be angry at how he was treated by the princess, and to want to affect change in this society. WE WERE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!! Seriously its so fuckin surprisingly deep to have some guy who’s a fakeout hero in the first damn episode. And some guy who’s a villain just because he stooped to any means necessary to carry out his once-heroic ambitions. Instead of changing society for the sake of the people, he’s sacrificing all the people just to gain the throne, and forgetting why he ever wanted it! SERIOUSLY HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO BE EVEN WORSE THAN ASSHOLE PRINCESS

so yeah then the plot just goes in SO MANY UNEXPECTED DIRECTIONS to get to the same expected conclusion! Instead of just being cursed by the bad guys, the gargoyles were betrayed by the one closest to them, while those bad guys all died innefectually offscreen. And the curse wasnt even an evil act! It happens because of a REALLY COMPLEX GREY MORALITY SITUATION, where the princess and vizier were gonna be sold off for cash, but then because the gargoyles tried to save them the guard guy decided to just execute them instead. So after their triumphant rescue of all the villagers, they find the vizier man sobbing over his dead love, and then he tells them its THEIR FAULT IT HAPPENED. And he doesnt want to live without her, so he makes a really stupid reckless decision and decides to attack the last few living gargoyles. And like RIGHT AFTER he casts the spell on them, he finds out the princess is still alive and its all oh Fuck What The Fuck Have I Done So vizier man tries to undo the curse, but his book of spells got damaged in the fight and (OF COURSE) coincidentally the page about curse lifting is gone. Cue fuckin Everyone Crying. SO FEW EVIL PEOPLE IN THIS STORY SO MANY EVIL ACTS DONE BY THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE THE HERO like even the vizier and princess realize they were wrong about their anti gargoyle bigotry after they have to see the consequences of it here but its just WAY TOO LATE FOR THAT

and then yo the EVEN MORE UNEXPECTED AND SAD BIT cos our protagonist gargoyle was the only one who didnt get cursed thats unexpected and he basically COMMITS SUICIDE TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY THATS KINDA MORE UNEXPECTED Well its more like a g-rated suicide metaphor?? Everyone thinks the curse will never be broken, so he curses himself too cos he cant live without them. And its really depressing cos even though we know they all eventually get uncursed, so many others just straight up died and also theyll never see their human friends again and also the castle is all destroyed so the fate of the kingdom is really ambiguous too?? we just know that the now-redeemed princess and vizier are gonna do anything they can to protect their citizens and atone for what happened. and they take the last few gargoyle eggs that werent destroyed, and promise to raise them with all of the love and respect they nevr gave poor goliath... and seriously they never say whose children those eggs were but he’s like the only person left who could have given them a proper gargoyle childhood. So like its morally grey that goliath is choosing death together with the people he knows, rather than living and trying to ressurect his dying civilization. i absolutely wouldnt blame him for it though, its not like suicide is an active choice, he wasnt exactly in his right mind at the time! But its just REALLY NICE AND COMPLEX! And raises a lot of questions about what will happen to these new gargoyles who’re raised by humans, how different would they be if goliath and co met them someday? i really hope thats actually a plot thats gonna happen, i cant rememebr ANYTHING about this show lol...

so yeah theres all the FUCKIN COMPLEX DARK MORAL AMBIGUITY IN ANCIENT ENGLANDSCOTLANDGERMANYKINDA and it is AMAZING and it absolutely baffles me how they ahve such great plots when other parts of the writing are kinda awful standard disney cliches?? like seriously they wasted so much screentime on Comic Relief: A Fat Guy Exists. Seriously he just.. exists. They show these really slow and overanimated scenes of him just.. eating things. not even exaggerated or comedic. he ate one pie, lets all make fun of him for twenty minutes but man, no show in the 90s was perfect, lol! this is still pretty damn great! AND VERY EMOTIONAL

oh oh oh and i didnt mention THE OTHER CRYING BIT cos the guard guy gets a cliche disney villain death, the whole accidentally falling off a cliff due to his own actions, so the protagonist isnt morally responsible for killing a man but then what makes it a really unique scene is that THATS NOT THE MORAL STANCE THE SHOW TAKES goliath WANTED to kill that damn man or, at the very least, give him some sort of punishment for what he’d done goliath has a fucking huge despair moment over the fact this villain man died and he wasnt the one who did it “you took everything from me, even my chance at revenge” cue ugly sobbing as this buff ass demon man screams at the heavens and cradles the stone dust that was once his damn wife what the fuck show why are you doing this to me

ITS REALLY GOOD

[kappasigmalife]

Characters for a story im doing

Christopher “Chrisper” Matthews Age: 22 (chp 1), 24(chp 2) Eye Color: Brown (Chp 1), (Greyish-brown, Chp 2) Hair color: Brunette, crew cut, greyish brown (Chp 2) Identifying feature (Beginning comics): Rectangular glasses, sapphire stud on right ear Cause of death: Freezing, taken off life support Spectral Ability: Cryomancy, Emotional Calming Family: Helen Monroe: Half-sister         Joesph Matthews: Little brother         Laura Matthews: Mother         Andrew Matthews: Father Skills: massaging people, fencing, able to write almost anything, only person who can calm Robby down without violence, freezing the school to get out of class. Interests: reading, writing, bass guitar, walking in the dark, smoking, gaming, keep his area clean Background: Fairly neutral and stands by his beliefs, but keeps them to himself before causing a scene, caring to all that aren’t assholes to him, and ready to help his friends when they need it. While in chapter one he is normally happy on the outside, but deep down has loneliness building up from failed dates until meeting the man of his dreams at pride. An asshole with a heart of gold, many see him as any other dick, but when you need a massage or a talking to, he’s your man, seen with a hand of ice in one and a joint in the other; he still can’t get to the level of chill as Paul. Despite being abused emotionally and physically by his father, he still holds his head high. While considered the heir to a major industrial corporation ran by his father, Chris was more of a reclusive creative thinker, jotting down ideas for stories in a journal he kept hidden away, despite what his father wanted, Chris went to university under a liberal studies major focusing on natural and social sciences, hoping to get into social media coordination in conjunction of being a writer. As payback his father forced him to join a frat or risk losing his college tuition as a result, this ultimately led to his untimely death. Confused of what he really wanted, Chris explored dating both genders and always fell flat on his face either from superficial morons or people who confuse lust for love. He comes to love the man of his dreams, brendan a chubby goth who also happens to be a werewolf, they moved in mated and got married, all the while during an ritual for the mateship, chris is turned into a frost wolf and remains to devote his love to his one true love. Despite everything, chris slowly becomes cold and regretful after murdering a werewolf while being jumped after a meeting, leading to his imprisonment, and trial. While detained he was tortured by the guards as a turned werewolf instead of pureblood now scarred and having no lasting look in his eyes, even when gazing in the heart of brendan. Although slowly turns back after being hugged.

Paul Stone Age: 23(Chp 1), 25(Chp 2) Eye Color: Blue Hair color: blonde hair to the neck Identifying feature (beginning comics): Wireless headset on head Cause of Death: Electrocution by speaker Spectral Ability: Technological Transport, Omnipotence Family: Eh doesn’t care to say Skills: Hacking, engineering, singing, expert gamer, arson, canny ability to remain calm in any situation. Interests: gaming, singing, listening to metal, smoking, drinking, going on warpaths, setting the campuses forest on fire. Background: stoner genius, Paul complies with society’s bullshit and tends to stay away from drama by getting high as much as he can. Completing a collection of games from the human world keeps him occupied while learning about gender studies and music production while at AU. Moreover he relies on his RD of the house Reefer to get him the good shit before he’s got to deal with more crap around the house. While knowing everything about everyone, he tends to wait for the perfect moment to pop out and tell someone off for a witty comeback or just film a sex tape with his friends involved with no consent and a measly 10% of the profits. A natural ladies man ready for a polyromantic night in or out of his house tends to go well for him, although many end up falling for another. Being friends with a cryomancer massage therapist helps his stress during finals week, but if he’s pushed over the edge, you’ll be knocking on heaven’s door with his growling voice. Born into a moderately decent home, Paul was drawn to the art of metal at a young age and developed his voice by the time puberty hit; his longtime friends formed a band originally covering popular tracks of the time but soon after making original music on soundcloud got gigs ranging from their hometown to the upper levels of city limits, growing in popularity, only for his dreams being shot down by a bolt of lightning hitting a speaker and ending up being the newest edition to AU. despite knowing everything the only thing paul does know is why helen falls for robby, which baffles him to no end, until he tokes up again.

Robert Esposito Age: 21(Chp 1), 23(Chp 2) Eye color: Green Hair color: Dirty Blonde, cut short Identifying feature (Beginning comics): Naruto headband around forehead Cause of Death: Exhaustion from a 13 day watching spree of Naruto from beginning to end Spectral ability: Can enter any known fantasy world, accumulates a cartoon body Family: repressed so much of his childhood he doesn’t even remember being born. Skills: Filibustering, knowing way too much about anime and manga, sketching and painting, taking a punch, getting a girl out of his league to go out with him. Interests: Reading manga, fighting his roommates on chores, peeking on Chris’s failed romance life, making smart jokes, making his own manga a reality, organizing his dvd collection Background: Not much known in the past of his 6 ft. muscled nerd and his manga collection, he just showed up out of nowhere and was sent to live with Paul to get off Arthurs back about the amount of “flaws” of the afterlife. Going through 4 houses, he finally found someone who could tolerate his filibuster, or at least stoned enough to not care. Although ready to jump into a issue and help as much as he can, he is far more doing harm than good, probably from being doped too much as a kid. Usually buried in his collection of every one piece and Naruto issue known to man, he usually fights Chris on his taste of bad anime like gurren laggan, fate/stay, and Magi. Always ready for an adventure while everyone else wants to smoke and chill with a few games, he’s ready to drag them into any world he chooses, even without consent. Known for his abrasive commentary the housemates have their own way of dealing with Robby’s tirades of ranting, mostly with a hammer to the head or ice to the mouth, either way he’s quiet for an hour. While many find his words confusing, no one can compete with his art style and his attention to details and knowledge of chemistry

Helen Monroe Age: 24(Chp 1), 26(Chp 2) Eye Color: Hazel Hair color: Light brown Identifying Feature (Beginning comics): Black choker with a rose petal Cause of Death: Overdose of Adderall Spectral ability: Magic bag of weapons, can pull them out of thin air for comedic relief Family: Sophia Monroe: Mother         Andrew Matthews: Father Christopher Mathews: Half-brother         Joseph Matthews: Half-brother Skills: Weapon proficiency, singing, fencing, dealing with Robby’s attitude, make people pay for their crap against others. Interests: Singing with the band, cuddling with Robby, listening to Chris’s stories, smoking joints, singing Disney songs with Paul. Background: Born from an affair with Andrew Matthews and a woman he picked up from the bar one night while engaged to Chris’s mother Laura, Helen was born into a bad part of the neighborhood after Matthew viewed her mother as nothing but a druggie and herself a waste of life. She struggled with her mom’s issues but saw the love Lauren gave her working two jobs to make ends meet. She put herself through college thanks to odd jobs in babysitting her bitch of a landlords child and being paid with cash and half their rent taken down as a result. She made it to university where she finally met her half-brother during the first day of orientation, while the two saw their uncanny resemblance from their mutual bastard father, the two found no ill will towards the other, knowing in each other’s eyes that they had it rough.  Struggling with classes led her to purchasing Adderall just to focus on the majority of work piling up, only to later overdose one night while her roommate was away. When in the university she’s placed with Chris and his friends and finally feels like she got a family, a horrible dysfunctional family, but one she loves, and while loves Robby with all her heart, doesn’t stop her from correcting his behavior when he does something stupid. A true badass at heart, even Paul warns never to get on her bad side.Reefer Age: Unknown Eye Color: I don’t know red I think Hair color: Bro I’m a skeleton Cause of death: Something stupid I’m sure Family: All dead Spectral Ability: reap souls, create weed, somehow can be high without getting high Skills: Growing and cultivating weed, reaping through super smash brawl in one hour, smoking a literal farm of weed in a day, pyrotechnics. Interests: Watching the gang grow up, play with the band, smoke weed, go on crazy adventures with Paul, customize his scythe to fit his mood, disobey Arthur's commands. Background: a lovable dealer from god knows where and god knows who, reefer comes from the command of Arthur and acts as the groups guiding force of growth and weed collection. Knowing Paul since he got to AU, considers him to be his little bro and chilliest of anyone on campus, randomly sleeps in the house and allowed to stay, he lurks around cleaning and cooking while everyone does their own thing. His main prerogative is to follow the few rules he keeps close to his few remaining brain cells, being that no more than 3 pets at a time. also provides many gadgets and pieces that result in consequences later on usually in the form of Arthur visiting the house enough times to have a welcome mat saying, hi Arthur sorry don’t care. Generally the calmest RD in the whole campus, but can lose his shit whenever he senses shit going down. 

Brendan Balfour Wolfheart Age: 21(Chp 1), 23(Chp 2) Eye Color: golden brown/ red when turned Hair color: black Nickname: Fluffy butt Cause of death: Illness when an infant Family: Alasdair Wolfheart: Father Veronica Wolfheart: Mother Baltair Wolfheart: Grandfather Alicia Wolfheart: Adoptive younger sister Christopher Matthews Wolfheart: Husband/mateship Helen Monroe: Sister In Law Joseph Matthews: Brother in law Andrew Matthews: Father in law Laura Matthews: Mother in law Spectral Ability: Echolocation Growl Skills: Photography, hunting, cuddling, making chris happy, flaunting his body, tracking people Interests: Getting to see chris naked any chance he gets, cuddling to him every night, making sure paul gets the best angle of his furry ass for the channel, trying to get his dad to stop being so embarrassing, eating (like a lot of food), the only man who can make chris smile like an spaz. Background: Born to a wealthy family of werewolves, brendan is the firstborn son of alasdair and veronica, whom were pleased to shower their pup with acceptance. By the time high school hit, he came out as homosexual but kept it within the family to avoid bullies, like being chubby wasn't bad enough. Not being much of a musical prowess like his father, brendan would focus on film and photography as a hobby always getting the latest equipment, until Azazel got to them. Going to AU began a new chapter of his life and was welcomed into the gay community with open arms, and asses. He was nervous of meeting someone special, until he took western civilization and noticed a certain brown eyed cub sitting next to him who got his attention, but being shy he turned his tail and ran off when he offered to help him study. Only after running to the bathroom and feeling his chest pound did he think otherwise to respond with a yes to the question. Brendan would see him around campus smoking and drinking with his friends and get red faced by his genuine smile and wisecracks. It wasn't until he went to pride with link and was given an invite to Pans wedding that he was given the chance to talk to him, after 15 shots of liquid courage though. After talking and finding their love of art, scifi, fantasy, horror, and mythology, they danced under the spotlight gazing with him making the first move by stepping on his foot, leading him to follow his heart. While normally a shy boy and a little self conscience of his appearance, chris would always reassure him he loved him no matter what, to the point that he was asked to move in with the gang not one month after beginning to date. But was hiding a side of himself, and showed chris his werewolf form with a sexy striptease only for chris to look shocked but ultimately showed who was top dog that very night. It wasn't long before they became mates for life and engaged, with hijinks ensuing including robby kissing his man, flying into a blind rage, trapped in castlevania and falling into a coma, only to see his love in his lap worried. All together this shy boy knows how to come out of his shell but also has a habit of stepping back in when times get too rough.

Alicia Fiona Wolfheart Age: 20(Chp 1), 22(Chp 2) Eye color: Emerald green Hair color: Raven black Cause of death: Stillborn Family: Alasdair Wolfheart: adoptive Father Veronica Wolfheart: adoptive  Mother Baltair Wolfheart: Grandfather Brendan Wolfheart: Adoptive Brother Christopher Wolfheart: brother in law Spectral Ability: Matchmaking Skills: swordplay, event planning, playing piano and guitar, being daddy's little girl, blood draining, matchmaking, spying on paul. Interests: Being with paul, making sure daddy doesn't embarrass the family with his nudity, wrestling her brother, trying to get Robbie to stop being a idiot. Background: oh bet you didn't expect a vampire to be adopted by werewolves, well that just makes you a bigot, now it may be shocking but alasdair and veronica love their badass daughter even if of different blood and race. From an young age alicia ran around crapping on alasdair's car changing into a bat and spooking the neighbors around the islands. Her mastery of swords comes from teaching of veronica and how to cut a bitch who messes with your man, although alicia depends more on sabotage and mental torture. Her affection for paul comes from a odd attraction to him despite not feeling a connection using her skill as a matchmaker. Growing up with brendan was all about chases and seeing his werewolf dick running around the house, truly he grew up to be dad. While developed early, alasdair played overprotective daddy by hunting them and keeping the boys from hurting his baby girl. In high school, she did fall in love, only to be played as a fool and humiliated by the boys saying she was just a rich girl looking to play. After being homeschooled, she discovered her love of music playing guitar and piano and working with her father at the record studio, although only for the summer as she demanded to go to college. Being sent to a werewolf school kinda sucked without brendan, so after meeting paul the first time, she decided to transfer to AU where she would bunk with helen, further cockblocking robby and enjoying every minute. After seeing chris and brendan marry, as well as copious amounts of alcohol and weed, she slept with paul and soon began a nice relationship that would be short lived after not seeing her matchmaking working with the two of them, only to discover her limitations are on herself, while she can see the matches of everyone else. Telling paul her true feelings, even after seeing him marry led her to find happiness with another, a man named hiro who she would meet in the later chapters and help raise a child together. Her father may see her grown up but will tackle pounce at any second to hug and praise her as his little angel.

Alasdair “Romulus” Wolfheart Age: 42(Chp 2), 44(Chp 3) Eye color: Orange Hair color: Reddish Brown Cause of Death: Impaled on Excalibur Family: Veronica Wolfheart: Wife Baltair Wolfheart: Father Brendan Wolfheart: Son Alicia Wolfheart: Adoptive daughter Remus Wolfheart: Older brother Christopher Matthews Wolfheart: Son in law Skills: Music production, tracking, loving his family, giving it to veronica all night long, flaunting his stuff, tearing apart anyone who messes with his daughter, metal music, stoning out with paul and chris, stripping naked in a matter of moments. Interests: Planning weddings, ensuring his children have a bright future, getting belly rubs from his wife, reminding robby to pay for his busted wall. Background: raised to a middle class family of werewolves, alasdair used to go by romulus by his family until college when he met his best friend Arthur, while the two were utterly different, they both saw the good in each other and would hang out around the house as much as possible. Although when the years came to a close at university and a race war was starting, arthur would change his demeanor and go on an all out kill spree against the others that stood in his way. In the chaos romulus lost his love and committed suicide on arthur's sword telling him to live with his choices before dying. As he awoke he was reunited with veronica and his son, who he lost at the age of 1 to illness, now able to grow as a healthy child and start a new life, he gave himself the name alastair to repress his old life and make himself a new man. While in the afterlife he is able to create his own record label. While his personality is optimistic and cheery at least for the first few chapters, he does come with some things in his life he keeps secret, like why he wants to break arthur's neck, why he's protective of his kids and why he never goes to a council meeting. Joining the crusades at the age of 22 way back when really cost him after seeing nothing else of the world after losing the child he and veronica loved most. Only to be reunited later on.

[kingofthewilderwest]

So httyd came from the imagination of a person, so , everything comes from imagination planet, if there is something someone doesnt like about the shows and movies, change it in your imagination and it shall still be cannon, (cause its definitley not REAL with everything that reality comes with again NOTREAL) there, problems solved for everyone, even though i dont own the properties of httyd (though maybe anyone could buy them) since it has been shared with the world im sticking with this :D

For my perspective on why canon is canon regardless of inconsistencies or fandom preference, see here. Essentially, if an official source publishes the material, it is canon. Canon =/= consistency; canon = source (ALL stories have inconsistencies). It doesn’t matter if there are plot inconsistencies or different writers because it has been given the stamp of being official and being produced and distributed by an official source with official permission. Whatever we like or don’t like about it, it’s still official and we can’t take that away even if we’re not fans of it. It’s still official. It’s still canon.

I believe, friend, that you’ve already submitted this to other blogs to speak your thoughts. You might not need to broadcast to everyone by submitting to multiple blogs. ;) You have been heard already. I would please respectively ask that you don’t use my own blog as a bulletin board or loudspeaker. Take care and thanks!

I appreciate your attempt to placate yourself and other people who may not be fans of everything that appears in canon for the shows/movies/comics/books/etc. In a way, you have a very valid point: stories are stories, they’re imagination, and we as creative audience members can imagine new things to the story as we like. That is the power of fanfiction and fanart: we can rework something into new ways and experience the power of the story in a new, altered, or perhaps even improved form. We have the power of our own imagination to go new directions with the source material.

And it is a good thing not to get too worked up about some small nuance in a story that we’re not fans of. Fiction is fiction; if something doesn’t happen exactly the way we like it in a story, it doesn’t have to be a monumental deal because the story is not exactly “concrete” reality. There are some things we might not prefer in fiction that really aren’t worth having a row over, and it’s good to be mature, get past that, and imagine things as we would prefer them happen without getting into conflict or complaint.

However, there are several things to consider with this sort of argumentation. Since you did send your perspective to me, I hope it’s okay if I return to you why I personally wouldn’t use this as an optimal solution. Please, of course, continue to have fun celebrating what you love about the story! I just fear that this sort of phraseology can glaze over some very important things: namely, that the creators do have the right and power over their own stories, unlike audience members; that canon materials are the common ground in fandom and not our headcanons; and that sometimes it is important for fandom to be able to discuss the pros and cons of the material that legitimately exists without trying to erase it away in bliss.

There is a difference between the official creator’s imagination and the audiences’ imaginations

While it is true that a fictional work comes from one person’s imagination, and we also have the rights to imagination, they’re not on “equal planes” when it comes to one specific fictional work. The creator of the fiction is the person who has the authority to broadcast and provide the official story. The audience does not have this authority. One person creates canon. The other person does not and that is a concrete fact. That is reality in our real world.

Who does or does not create something is concrete reality; fiction might be made-up stories, but it doesn’t erase the concrete reality of who created what.

The point is that anyone who creates an official story directly through DreamWorks creates canon for the How to Train Your Dragon world. We as fans do not have official status and cannot create canon for the How to Train Your Dragon world. The most that we as unofficial fans can do is create fanwork and headcanons on the topic.

Consider if you were the author of a story that you put your heart and soul into. You know exactly how the characters operate, what happens, how the world works, how the story unfolds. Then one of your readers approached you and said, “No, you wrote that wrong. That can’t be canon.” That is, unfortunately, very disrespectful, and not very legitimate. You as the author have a right to what you have done. You’re the expert, you’re the creator, not them! The point is that the reader doesn’t have the right to tell you what is and isn’t canon in your own story. The author is the one and only maker of canon. Anyone telling you otherwise is wrong.

Now the consumer can go and imagine how the story goes however they like it. They’re free to do that and that’s cool. But there’s definitely a distinction between what the audience wants and what is concrete canon. No matter how much we say “I reject X from canon,” X is still canon. We can’t erase that away with words.

Where we can all be on the same plane is with the official material

Fans know official canon together. It’s widely accessed and it’s the thing that got us into the fandom in the first place. We’ll all be on the same plane and level of knowledge and understanding about the official material. We won’t, by contrast, have the same widespread level of shared familiarity or knowledge with headcanoned musings. Canon supersedes headcanon, even if the headcanon has things we would prefer! As you say, you don’t own the properties of HTTYD. The people who own the properties of HTTYD do, however, spread their material officially, and it’s something we all fans can acknowledge as something that exists within the fandom body. This is where we do have our legitimate, real, common ground.

Fiction has impact and we need to acknowledge what it is head on

Acknowledging canon is important because fiction does have impact. Fiction changes lives. Fiction imparts messages, morals, and more to us. Fiction can get in our heads what is the “norm” and what is “unusual,” what is preferable and what is socially scorned, what is cool and what is stupid, what is admirable and what is deplorable. Fiction might be stories with imagination, but it has very real impact.

The perpetuation of certain types of representations or stereotypes of people groups in fiction has consequence. It legitimately does affect how people perceive the concrete world around them. The telling of morals, of heroicism, has huge consequence, too.

If an official story has a really good message, or if an official story has some problems with representation or morals or meaning, then it’s important that we acknowledge it as it is - flaws and all. Ignoring what we don’t want and pretending it’s not in existence does not tackle the important issues of fiction. We don’t solve fandom and consumer concerns through drifting into headcanon. Any time we avoid issues, we fail to understand them to their fullest, and we certainly fail to solve them. Only by acknowledging the good and the bad as it actually stands can we legitimately get somewhere.

This dialogue is important.

I believe that constructive criticism is extraordinarily important. We should be able to analyze something with acuity and say, “Maybe how this story represents women isn’t ideal. Here are the things that are wrong with it.” In that way, we can all be edified with our dialogue and understand together what is going on, rather than ignoring it and saying, “I reject your reality and substitute it with my own.” We can’t disappear into our own imagination planet where everything is glib and happy. If we do that, and completely ignore what canon actually gives us, hoping to get a happy solution that way, then we might fail to engage in dialogue that is important to our understanding of what is good and what is bad in fiction, and how it impacts all the consumers who have experienced this shared canon fiction.

Respecting canon is respecting what started your fandom

I believe in level-headed constructive criticism in the right contexts, but I definitely don’t believe in whining. Complaining and trashing a story and being rude about something doesn’t reflect well on our character. It also doesn’t do good things for the fandom community. I hope that people who have been on my blog notice that I intentionally prefer to focus on the positive and celebrate the great aspects of the fandom. I don’t ignore or wave away serious problems, but I do show myself to be a respectful fan who shows what I love about my fandom and fandom materials.

I do believe that we can legitimately enjoy a story even if it has flaws. All stories have flaws. We as adults can respectfully acknowledge what isn’t perfect and at the same time celebrate what is legitimately good about the fiction. That does not mean endorsing what is bad or trying to justify things that are legitimately morally wrong. But in cases where a fandom canon has something benign that I wouldn’t prefer - say, who ends up hooking up with who - I can still respectfully acknowledge that event as canon reality because I respect the creators who gave the fandom to me. I’m not going to say, “That didn’t happen.” It did happen, and I am going to respect the fact that the creators are the ones who gave me the story I love in the first place. I’m not going to trash the creators for not writing my optimal story; I’m going to thank them for giving me their story, and acknowledge the fact that they wrote the story that they did. 

I believe that we should give the creators the credit they are due: they made it, and their story isn’t “rejectable” or “not canon” in our own minds just because it’s not the story we would have told.

If we are fans of a material, we got drawn into the canon at some point and love it to some level. The canon material is what got us into the fandom in the first place. That’s why it’s called a fandom: we’re fans of that fiction. By then going in and hating on canon is counter to why we are in the fandom in the first place: to have fun with the canon we have been impacted by and enjoy. Trashing on the creators of the fiction material we’re fans for is a little… disconcerting.

So in summary…

1. As much as you can say everything comes from imagination planet, stories come from different imaginations. Who created the story is a real fact that isn’t imagination land. The creator(s) of the story is/are the maker(s) of the story. They are the legitimate authority over the story and only they create canon. People who provide official canon are canon. No matter how much we go into our own imagination lands, it doesn’t take away from the concrete reality that someone else created this story and characters and world.

2. The common ground of fans is the official source material. Not headcanons. We don’t all share the same headcanons, but we can all talk about the canon material with objectivity because it has been given to us officially.

3. In some areas that people have problems with canon, the issue is serious because it’s about something that impacts society. Going into imagination land and changing it there without confronting the issue means we don’t understand the issue in full and means we don’t solve the issue.

4. In the areas of canon that we just don’t prefer because they’re not our ideal story, we can imagine alternates, but we still have to acknowledge canon is canon. To whine and say “I reject your reality and substitute it with my own” just because the story doesn’t go as we want it comes at the cost of being disrespectful to the creators of the story we consume. We should be able to be respectful to the creators for giving us what they gave us rather than saying, “You didn’t write this right.”

I hope that we can all come together as fans and celebrate and enjoy the story for what it is rather than rejecting it simply because we don’t prefer some elements of it. The story is story. Canon is canon. The official sources are the official sources. We cannot change that.

But we can create headcanons.

We can create fanfictions and fanart and fan comics.

We can always go into our own imaginations, as you say, to a fun world of headcanons. Swim in your headcanons, have fun in them! They shall never be canon, but they can have the fun merits of imagination.

Take care, stay awesome, and have a wonderful day, friend.

[comicteaparty]

January 10th, 2019 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on January 10th, 2019, from 5PM - 7PM PST.  The chat focused on Chasing Little Lights by Evelyn Shi.

Featured Comment:

Chat:

RebelVampire

COMIC TEA PARTY- THURSDAY BOOK CLUB START!

Good evening, everyone~! This week’s Thursday Book Club is officially beginning! Today we are discussing Chasing Little Lights by Evelyn Shi~! (http://www.cllcomic.com/)

Remember that Thursday discussions are completely freeform! However, every 30 minutes I will drop in OPTIONAL discussion questions in case you’d like a bit of a prompt. If you miss out on one of these prompts, you can find them pinned for the chat’s duration. Additionally, remember that while constructive criticism is allowed, our focus is fun and respectfully appreciating the comic. All that said, let’s begin!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

my favorite scene so far is probably...well okay its not really a scene so much as a moment in a scene. but when soren is walking around with valentin and noticing that valentin already has like 1 billion friends. i can just severely relate to soren in that moment. it has some fantastic facial expression and i just love the panel framing too. theres kind of this sense of isolation whenever you see valentin interact. and even though soren is there, you get this sense he is the one out of place. and i just really think the visual aspects alone express that kind of loner thing he has going on

eleviken

haha hi! i'm the creator of Chasing Little Lights and i'll stick around here for a bit!

RebelVampire

glad to have you, @eleviken ~!

eleviken

i'm really glad you took note of that scene! i wanted to capture their different personalities - they are friends and get closer as the comic progresses, but soren is quite shy and valentin is a classic extrovert! i think valentin doesn't intend to single out people sometimes but he can give off that vibe

RebelVampire

actually honestly i really love valentin and soren's interactions. theyre very different people, and usually when you have an extrovert and an introvert they kind of butt heads. but nah, in this case valentin is like "hey buddy lets get bubble tea" and to me thats just super refreshing to see.

another scene i really like was the fencing scene. it played out exactly how i imagined it would: elena got her arrogant butt beaten by someone with infinite more years experience. but what i like more is that she doesnt expect this. instead to retreats further into her belief that she just wasnt on her a-game. cause i feel this is a moment that is true to how a real person would act.

and i also like how it preps for future drama

eleviken

that's great!! yeah i wanted valentin to be a good hearted person inside, even if he gives off an absentmindedly popular vibe! but of course there will be fights between the characters>:)

mhm! for me the fencing scene got quite tedious actually, as i wanted to have the action play out in maybe a few weeks, rather than dragging on for over a month. but i can only make a page per week with school and all, so i'm glad you enjoyed that!

all the characters are good people despite their flaws- elena's is arrogance obviously. we'll see how her character growth plays out in the future!

RebelVampire

yeah theres no doubt in my mind theyre good people. but i love all their flaws because theyre poignant and feel super realistic. not to mention i really enjoy a lot of the elements that stress them out cause to a degree it helps to make them feel their age.

eleviken

mhm, in future chapters - especially chapter 4, which is coming up soon, there will be more dramatic/challenging obstacles in the plot that will test their innocence as kids

i wanted to emphasize the coming of age aspect in the story because some challenges force you to grow up

RebelVampire

exactly what im hoping for. cause these kids are def in a situation where their innocence is gonna be tested. what with all the air pollution.

this is not s etting of happiness

K.E. Karlsen

yeah thats a theme i like seeing in stories and i can definitely see it happening in yours, whatever may happen

can i ask where you got the idea of a setting with air pollution sickness?

mathtans

The little one is in bed for the moment, but I might have to leave unexpectedly. ^.^

Rebel - I kind of liked that scene with Valentin having all the friends, but I think what I liked more was kind of the follow-up, when Kasen sees Soren with Valentin and thinks, geez, that guy's already got a friend. Kind of a perspective shift.

eleviken

i live in Shanghai, China, and air pollution has been a pretty big issue here! it has gotten better over the past few years but it's still very polluted. air pollution is also quite bad in areas like mongolia and india and other parts of asia

mathtans

Nice closer to Chapter 2 also.

RebelVampire

QUESTION 2. The comic’s setting is one where air pollution can be rampant enough to cause a fatal sickness called contamina. Given Valentin’s blood-filled coughing, do you believe he has contracted contamina? Why do you believe he is so intent on hiding his symptoms, especially from Elena? If Valentin does have contamina, do you believe he’d come to accept it or continue to live in denial? Whether he has contamina or not, how do you believe the others will react to finding out about the coughing? Overall, do you think Valentin’s health problems will change the group’s opinions on how normalized the air pollution is? How might this change their future goals?

mathtans

Characters need flaws, or it's boring.

eleviken

mathtans - to add on i think soren and kasen are more similar in personality than elena and val, defnitely! but they face very different challenges, so i think it makes them different in that way too:))

i am also a high school student! so i think CLL is at least semi-autobiographical in many ways

mathtans

Truth, probably makes sense that the siblings are a bit alike too.

eleviken

on question 2 - i won't give away too much

mathtans

I've been reading most of your little author notes btw eleviken. I think it's very cool that you're using your location as a setting. (Also, your field trip to Mongolia sounds really interesting, possibly more interesting than it was, I dunno.)

eleviken

but of course val will eventually be forced to face the issue

mathtans

I think Valentin is hiding the symptoms for a couple reasons. One, if people start talking about it, that makes it "real" and harder to deny to himself. Second, since his parents died due to pollution, he doesn't want his sister to have to go through the same kind of thing again.

eleviken

what really!!! i love leaving the author notes as a record to what i'm up to that week, but i didn't expect too many people to take note! my trip was a culture/service trip and it was definitely interesting, as it was quite different from the big city life in Shanghai

RebelVampire

you mean val doesnt just gain immortality and thus is rewarded for his denial?

XD

eleviken

Maybe val /is/ an immortal!

RebelVampire

see

confirmed

no problems here

O_O;;;;;

mathtans

I wonder if on some level, like subconsciously, Valentin is hoping for a breakthrough that helps out his own health. And Elena's dismissal of his attempts at research may not be helping with that (though I get why she does it).

Valentin - There can be only one.

eleviken: Yup, I'm one of those readers who tends to check out Q&As and Author Notes and stuff. In particular I was interested because I've never been to China or anywhere in the far East. Cool!

(I'm also a high school teacher, so there's that side of me, pleased to see students doing creative things. )

RebelVampire

i honestly feel the denial is more for valentin's sake than elena's sake. because hes what, 14? 14 is not the age where youre ready to accept mortality. 14 is the age where you believe youre super invincible and nothing ever bad will happen to you ever. can do whatever you want for you are the immortal one. and to accept he has contamina is to accept that whatever he had planned in his future is now kaput. and i just dont think hes ready for that, thus the hiding.

not to mention denial is the first stage of the 5 stages of grief

eleviken

valentin is definitely an optimist, and as the creator it even makes /me/ sad to see (or make lol) him suffer. he's definitely holding out hope for a miracle about his health, whether it turns out to be contamina or not. he is definitely at a point of denial, by filling his life with fun and his new friends to forget about the problem!

mathtans

Oh, the denial is probably more for his sake, you're right. The not telling might be for Elena's sake a bit though.

eleviken

mathtans - no way, that's amazing! Thank you for teaching, it's definitely hard work!

mathtans

Valentin is kind of the type to throw caution to the wind too, like I don't know the specifics of the disease, but he wanders around without a mask like that won't make the problem get worse faster or something.

Oh, thank you eleviken.

RebelVampire

eh i feel that the hiding it from others goes along with hiding it from himself. cause i get more the impression hes hiding it from the others to protect himself more than to protect the others. cause if he told elena, shes going to make a fuss and treat him like hes dying. and he cant very well live in denial about dying if everyone treats him like hes dying.

mathtans

That's a good point too, Rebel. (Who knows what's going on in his head!)

RebelVampire

although im sure there isnt no element about protecting elena cause of what happened to their parents. i just think self preservation is the overriding factor

eleviken

val and elena definitely have the petty sibling dynamic, but with their parents gone they are also looking out for each other. elena isn't good at expressing her emotions, though, so it's not directly stated that she's protective! i think part of his not-wearing-a-mask-stupidity is denial as well. as someone who's inclined to be happy, Val really wants to hold on to that happiness!

mathtans

Maybe Soren will come up with the cure. Can't kick him out of school if he does that.

eleviken

Ah soren's grade issue is quite important too! i think the pressure to achieve perfect grades is a reality for many students, and i especially see it at my school.

RebelVampire

although tbh i get the hint of a stigma? like at least that guy in the bathroom was kind of...apprehensive when he thought valentin might have contamina. even tho its established contamina is not contagious, its kind of got the cancer affect it seems. where everyone is like eww gross stay away from me sick person. and for an extrovert like valentin, that would probably be devastating. to be avoided because of something like being sick.

mathtans

Speaking as a teacher, I feel like society (well, North American society at least) is starting to put way too much emphasis on grades, and not enough emphasis on, y'know, actually learning stuff. Students tend to ask me "how can I get an 80%" not "how can I understand this unit better".

Rebel: Good point. It's said to not be contagious, but if people think that only poorer types who can't afford to replace their masks get the disease, that might be part of it.

eleviken

that's definitely very true at my school - as an asian school with an american system, the pressure to get 4.0s, have extracurriculars, and get into ivies is supersupersuper high. i'm under that pressure myself!

RebelVampire

haha that emphasis on grades over learning has been in the us for a looooong time. but now you have helicopter parents so a good portion of teachers in the us are just giving the grades anyway. because administration wont back the teachers up in the face of angry parents.

but i digress.

eleviken

mathtans - i'm going to admit i never thought about the "poorer people" part, that's very smart!

mathtans

You never know what will be read into things, feel free to run with it.

Yeah, it's not as bad here in Canada, but we still have some standardized testing. Anyway.

Hope you're able to weather the pressure, eleviken. The fact that you can keep up with a comic shows pretty good time management skills.

RebelVampire

i definitely feel that valentin's dilemma will make all the kids confront the air pollution. especially elena cause seeing another person she loves get contamina has to make her confront the idea that air pollution is bad and they shouldnt just go "nah its fine and normal were kids"

eleviken

thanks mathtans! i'm managing to keep up :))

i think high school can definitely be a bubble from real-world issues, and val's problem is forcing him to face the real world. that's a big coming of age part!

RebelVampire

yeah and i definitely love that about this story. that theres this whole conflict and theme of the child bubble world vs the actual world with all its huge problems that are overwhelming to deal with

mathtans

It's one of those things too where, if you see it every day, it just becomes normal. Why confront something that's normal? Whereas for the transfer students, it's not a normal thing, so maybe they can help with that.

Superjustinbros

peeks in

eleviken

hi!

mathtans

Good point, eleviken.

Superjustinbros

Hello there~

Just thought I'd drop in till the end

and this comic of yours is pretty interesting, @eleviken

eleviken

speaking of that, i am heading to class! i will still be here for the most part, though. :))

thanks!

Superjustinbros

You're welcome! Kudos too for representing all these different countries

(And shoutouts to Soren's hair)

RebelVampire

hey super~!

Superjustinbros

Hi Rebel!

RebelVampire

good luck in class, eleviken!

Superjustinbros

Secodned!

RebelVampire

and thats also true math. i definitely get that impression from val and elena

mathtans

All the best with classes!

RebelVampire

that theyre just so used to it they cant even fathom what clean air is like even

too normal

just everyday life

mathtans

Yeah, the choice to have a bunch of countries was cool. I like the little flags in the dialogue bubbles.

RebelVampire

although speaking of normalization though, i really loved that dialogue piece where kasen was saying "did you hear about that celebrity who died of contamina" to elena and elena just said what a shame i liked their music.

like man

mathtans

I'm also impressed that Valentin can already speak 5 languages.

RebelVampire

thats great characterization on how they view the world

yeah

valentin dying is a tragedy

dawgofdawgness

Is this still going? For CLL

mathtans

Rebel - Great point there.

RebelVampire

cause he seems super smart

yes it is~!

we still have another hour left

eleviken

DAWG!!! HEY!!!

dawgofdawgness

HALLO

RebelVampire

QUESTION 3. Kasen and Soren are both characters who have to deal with academic and parental pressure for various reasons. Do you believe Soren will be able to maintain a 3.5 grade average? Or, do you think even with the help of the others he’ll continue to struggle and fall behind? Whether he fails or succeeds, do you believe the school will continue to honor their scholarship agreement? In the long run, do you believe Soren will be able to help pull his family out of poverty with his potential academic success? Kasen, being the headmaster’s daughter, has to deal with similar pressures. Do you believe that Kasen will be able to convince her father to let her go to art school? How might she accomplish this? Alternatively, do you believe she’ll give into her father’s reasoning? Lastly, how might these similar struggles help or hurt the groups’ relationships with each other?

dawgofdawgness

I saw your wall post lmao

eleviken

rebel - ngl i added that dialogue in later, probably about a year into the comic. i really wanted to emphasize the air pollution part!

dawgofdawgness

I thiiiiink that Soren is gonna have to make some sort of sacrifice to maintain his GPA

eleviken

ok i love these questions! i won't spoil but it's great to see this discussion

dawgofdawgness

I think what's keeping Sore n back is his self confidence lol, that's one of the things about his character - he's always putting himself down and getting really anxious about everything

Superjustinbros

That's pretty much what happens at all these CTP's

dawgofdawgness

and Kasen , she's a bright student but needs to be pushed - what's holding her back, I think, is inexperience

mathtans

Just want to add, I think all the characters have parental issues, even the other two mains because of how their parents passed on. It's an interesting theme.

Superjustinbros

That's sad.

eleviken

yeah! kasen is quite smart, but she doesn't want to ~try~ at school because she wants to do art. as a creator i think she still should to an extent, but the pressure from her father is quite high

Superjustinbros

I can relate to that so much

dawgofdawgness

oooh that's relatable

mathtans

Dawg: Yeah, I'm reminded of the "reading difficulties" thing that was alluded to, and how the book he was reading at one point said "you're going to fail" or words to that effect. So definite self confidence issues. I wonder if Soren does have some kind of learning disability though, like dyslexia or something? Or maybe just has trouble with English, is better with German.

eleviken

me too! i don't have plans to go to art school, but the pressure to do well is quite high

dawgofdawgness

ohhh right yeah

Superjustinbros

I was good in school but lots of times I would just zone out and think of making art/games because it gets really tedious.

RebelVampire

i definitely think soren has self confidence issues, but i dont think thats the only thing holding him back persay. i think hes probably suffering a bit from actually being educationally behind. because private schools have way more intense curriculum and generally better educational programs than public schools. so its like someone whose only taken algebra that now they have to do calculus.

dawgofdawgness

Soren maybe has a language barrier as well? Since he's going to a prestigious college out of the country

eleviken

mathtans - nope! english is just not soren's native language

yeah, and ASI is a very competitive school

Superjustinbros

But yeah just saying I can relate to that feeling of wanting freedom

mathtans

I also don't feel like Soren will be able to pull off the 3.5, but that maybe there will be extenuating circumstances (from his friends advocating for him to Soren discovering a cure for the disease) that might prevent him from being kicked out.

Superjustinbros

Perhaps

dawgofdawgness

wait what's soren's gpa at right now?

or is it unknown

mathtans

Rebel: That's also a good point, about private schooling.

RebelVampire

he mentioned it

its under 3.5

close but under

eleviken

under!

dawgofdawgness

oh ok

he'll be fine pfpfttt

RebelVampire

3.2

dawgofdawgness

I have a feeling that he's going to reach that GPA through hard academic studies, and then get kicked out for smoking weed or something

RebelVampire

http://www.cllcomic.com/comic/83/

Superjustinbros

These feels

eleviken

HAHAHA SOREN SMOKING WEED!!

it seems like the most unlikely thing he'd do but at the same time i can see him doing it

RebelVampire

i think he can do it cause hes super close to a 3.5. so he only has to do a smidgen better in a few classes and just not do worse in others

Superjustinbros

Meanwhile I'm looking at these pages and just feeling sorry for Soren

RebelVampire

this is what soren will do in college when he find out high school was worthless and basically a cruise ship

Superjustinbros

I second that

RebelVampire

buuuuuut

i also feel if he hits 3.5 theyre gonna raise the bar on him

and say "good job soren. now get a 4.0 or we kick you out"

cause i feel like that counselor would not care at all about the struggles and triumphs he went through to even get a 3.5

Superjustinbros

D:

That's harsh.

RebelVampire

i mean not that im hoping thats the direction

but that counselor gives me bad vibes man

like theyre just waiting and hoping to kick soren out

Superjustinbros

Yeah.

RebelVampire

i feel bad for soren that its being put on him to pull his family out of poverty

especially cause his academic success doesnt even gurantee that

getting a job is a whole other ballpark

dawgofdawgness

With Kasen, wasn't it also implied that she has social problems on top of academic problems?

I remember there beeing a scene where she looks out the window and is sad i think

RebelVampire

idk if she has social problems? she seems better adjusted than soren socially speaking. although shes definitely less outgoing than elena and val

although i do get the impression shes maybe not the best at expressing herself?

like i kind of feel she holds back some

dawgofdawgness

oh right

ShaRose49

Hi!! I really wanted to make it to this chat cause I read all of the comic. I think poor Valentin is misguidedly thinking he’s being selfless in that he doesn’t tell anyone. And he probably doesn’t think it’s contamina

Superjustinbros

Oh hello there. ^^

ShaRose49

Hullo!

mathtans

Back. Little one was fussing in her crib.

Superjustinbros

Welcoem back!

dawgofdawgness

Yupp, Val's gonna have to accept his sickness or else he will have consequencesss

Superjustinbros

Hope the little one's doing alright @mathtans

RebelVampire

tbf val's acceptance is irrelevant to the consequences

dawgofdawgness

I gotta go, I have to do AP bio (which is a course that Soren takes) no wonder he has a 3.2 GPA the homework is ass

mathtans

I was wondering about that counselor, if she had hearing problems or something. Because the first time we meet her, we see Soren knock at the door, he comes in, and then she says "knock next time". I was thinking, like... he did? Where were you?

dawgofdawgness

goodluck @eleviken !! goodbyee

mathtans

SJB: Oh yeah, she's fine, just not much of a sleeper.

Superjustinbros

Bye!

mathtans

Dawg: Best with it!

(I was never into bio.)

RebelVampire

good luck dawg!

i dont think the counselor has a hearing problem

she was probably just focused

which i get

when im focused i legit cancel out all sound

Superjustinbros

aah I see, Math.

mathtans

ShaRose: Interesting point, about the being selfless thing.

RebelVampire

i think the counselor has a being a bitch problem cough cough

ShaRose49

@mathtans yeah I guess

mathtans

Prejudiced against Germans.

ShaRose49

Yeah that counsellor sucked

RebelVampire

but im sure she has reasons and stuff

Superjustinbros

I'd believe it if she did have a bitch problem

RebelVampire

but admittedly as someone who was as socially anxious as soren at that age

i wouldve been in tears if i had knocked and someone's reply to me was "knock first"

so that moment specifically angered me to no end

in the good way

mathtans

Yeah, character feels.

ShaRose49

Yeah I felt sorry for Soren. My Dad is German so I guess that makes me half

Superjustinbros

Soren is nothing but feels

ShaRose49

And nice hair

Superjustinbros

yes the hair too

I just want to hug him.

mathtans

I want to see Soren do some of his music stuff.

ShaRose49

Same

Superjustinbros

Secodning the music stuff

ShaRose49

Also the hug

eleviken

i love drawing soren's hair!

it's my favorite

RebelVampire

im personally more interested in seeing kasen and art stuff. cause just cause she wants to go to art school doesnt necessarily mean shes good enough to get in.

which actually would be an ironic twist

Superjustinbros

That would be interesting

Also great to hear Eleviken!

I love drawing characters with fun/wild hair myself, it can be pretty fun sometimes, is a biiiit hard.(edited)

mathtans

That's true. Kasen's possibly my fave character, just because she's in a tight spot by virtue of her father, which she can't do anything about.

ShaRose49

But the pollution aspect was really intriguing to me. It’s a real problem in China. But I can relate a little because here in Canada there have been so many fires in the summer especially BC that the air is all smoky all the time and some people have respiratory issues. I could be wrong but I think some people died because of it or at least got sick. I wasn’t bothered by the air when I visited bc

mathtans

Oooh, I should be shipping Kasen and Elena.

ShaRose49

@eleviken Hi there, author!! I was hoping you’d be here

Superjustinbros

That sounds scary, ShaRose

ShaRose49

But I was surprised that the air in BC didn’t really bother me at all

It was a little. I hope next summer isn’t bad. I’m sure it was very scary and awful for the people in BC @Superjustinbros

Superjustinbros

yeah...

Hopefully it's not so bad next year

mathtans

Roommate ships are best ships. ^.^

ShaRose49

Yeah. The news said the pollution because of the smoke was as bad as the air quality in China this summer

Superjustinbros

...Jesus christ.

RebelVampire

QUESTION 4. Despite her generally good nature, Elena has her own sorts of troubles to deal with. Do you think Elena should have been captain of the fencing team as she believes she should have? Why or why not? Do you think Fenya views Elena with the same disdain Elena has for her, or might Fenya feel differently? Regardless, how might their rivalry affect their teamwork? Overall, do you think that Fenya and Elena might be able to patch things up and become friends? As shown recently, Elena also has to deal with her parents having died from contamina. Assuming she finds out, how might Valentin’s situation change her opinion about her parents’ work (if at all)? In general, how might Elena’s experiences at school change her as a person?

ShaRose49

I think Fenya might be just ignorant but I could be reme,Bering her wrong

RebelVampire

i really love kasen and the dad's dynamics as far as the future goes. cause as a child i def was kasen, wanting to pursue that creative dream. but as an older adult i actually get a lot more with the dad is coming from cause creative pursuits are a hard path. which is why im curious how talented kasen is in the first place. cause she might come to realize that even if she wants to art, she may just not have the talent for it

K.E. Karlsen

no i dont think she should have been captain of the fencing team.

ShaRose49

I liked fenya she was big and strong and had green hair

Superjustinbros

Green Hair is always good

K.E. Karlsen

the girl who won (apologies its been awhile since i read, i have been reading since its updates and havent had time for a reread and forgot her name ;;;) i think it was best she won, she clearly knew more what she was doing

mathtans

Oh yeah! I wanted to mention that was real clever, having Fenya and Elena meet early on, then have them become rivals later. Though I don't think Fenya really sees Elena as a rival or with disdain or anything, like just, there's this other girl who fences decently but doesn't watch where she's going, whatever.

ShaRose49

@K.E. Karlsen @Superjustinbros yup yup

K.E. Karlsen

oh is her name fenya?

RebelVampire

yeah i agree. elena did not deserve to be captain. especially cause she was a sore loser.

yes her name is fenya

ShaRose49

Yup

K.E. Karlsen

ok thats who im talking about sorry!! im bad at remembering names

RebelVampire

thats okay

no shame in getting help with names

mathtans

I'm also bad. It's why I have the cast page up in another window. (For a teacher, I'm soooo bad at names.)

Superjustinbros

I'm bad at names in general

ShaRose49

I forgot too the question helped me remember

RebelVampire

fenya is a passable offense anyway cause shes more a side chara than main cast. so her name isnt mentioned a whole ton compared to others

i kind of agree that i actually dont think fenya views elena as a rival at all. i kind of feel fenya is just like "oh yeah its that teammate i wonder why shes glaring at me how weird."

Superjustinbros

Perhaps

RebelVampire

and that any rivalry elena has just created in her own mind

cause the world revolves around her

Superjustinbros

Plot twist: it does

ShaRose49

Just what I was thinking

mathtans

She's also an immortal.

ShaRose49

I really want the story to show more of the streets on China, like I’d love for them to have a downtown scene, and I want to see more of the relationship between the brother and sister characters

I want to visit China someday

mathtans

Actually it's funny, when I first went to the comic I saw the latest update, with Elena talking about how they were going to get Soren's grades up, and I thought, huh, is she their mother or TA or something but why are they all laughing. Made more sense in context. All that to say, Elena does have leadership skills in terms of motivating people, but I'm not sure about delegation and such.

eleviken

hey yeah!

mathtans

It would be interesting to see more China.

eleviken

rebel - kasen's artsy side has yet to eb elaborated on

Superjustinbros

Yeah, do some more worldbuilding and more excuses for epic landscape shots (edited)

RebelVampire

id be interested in seeing more of china as well. though more to see how the world in general deals with the pollution. like i feel thered be other world things goes on besides the masks.

math- i do feel like elena has potential as a leader, but i also think she lacks the humility to do so. i think as she is right now shed be a self absorbed leader. so concerned with her own skills and showing off than helping anyone else on the team to get better

ShaRose49

Like Leonardo ughhh

Superjustinbros

And I just realized that's why everyone wears the masks on the main visual(edited)

ShaRose49

But she’s not all bad

Hooboy ya just noticed now?! Lol it’s alright

mathtans

Good point, humility's a problem.

RebelVampire

nah i dont think elena is all bad at all

i just dont think shes ready to be captain

mathtans

SJB: It's because it's Halloween.

RebelVampire

cause arrogance is a big thing to work through and elena isnt confronting her own flaw as of yet

ShaRose49

@RebelVampire wow you seem wise

I’m not being sarcastic sorry if that’s weird

Superjustinbros

lol

Guess I'll wear a "sick" mask on Halloween

ShaRose49

XD

RebelVampire

thank you i think XD idk if id label myself as wise, but i appreciate the sentiment

Superjustinbros

That'll scare the trick-or-treaters real good

RebelVampire

ya know the comic did give me halloween vibes from teh banner. so before i read it i thought it was gonna be some spooky halloween thing

ShaRose49

Yeah me too!

Superjustinbros

I did not think that at all, I jsut thought "why is everyone wearing masks"

ShaRose49

But I was pleasantly surprised. No offence but the other comics I tried were all too dark for me

mathtans

Huh. I didn't think about it at all tbh.

Just figured there'd be an explanation and there was.

RebelVampire

i was also guessing post apocalyptic so i was pleasantly surprised it wasnt that either

did not expect a coming of age story

ShaRose49

We got another wise person here

Haha I was kidding mostly I meant that @mathtans knew and we didn’t

Or well he guessed better

mathtans

Incidentally, any thoughts on the title? "Chasing Little Lights"? Like, I wonder if it's sort of metaphorical, like you need to chase after the people or subjects who bring light into your life... or if it's more about the idea of chasing grades and things, thinking they'll bring enlightenment or something.

ShaRose49

I think it’s a compelling drama I just hope it doesn’t get so sad it’s depressing

Maybe there are actually little lights that help stop pollution or something and that’s why they’re chasing them! CRAZY THEORY TIME

RebelVampire

i assumed it was metaphorical about chasing dreams or something

thats what val was talking about that elena didnt want to listen to

they separated the lights form the pollution

ShaRose49

I can’t remember that very well. What Lights?

Superjustinbros

All these wise people

mathtans

Oooh, didn't think of the pollution analogy.

ShaRose49

@Superjustinbros We a buncha sages we are

Superjustinbros

\o/

ShaRose49

I’m too into science fiction so my theory is probably too fun for this kind of story

Superjustinbros

Nothing like a tea party for all the Sages to gather

ShaRose49

Not that it sin’t fun

Superjustinbros

also Science Fiction is good

mathtans

Oh yeah, we haven't had enough crazy theories yet. So, Kasen is going to practice her art by drawing nude models of Elena, which is how the two of them end up dating.

ShaRose49

@Superjustinbros amen

mathtans

The modelling also helps with the fencing, in terms of seeing how Elena's weight is balanced.

ShaRose49

@mathtans I was thinking more about crazy theories about the pollution aspect I guess

RebelVampire

tbh i ship elena and fenya more

gotta have that slow burn rivalry turned to romance

Superjustinbros

we setting ships on sail already?

mathtans

Rebel: I am okay with that.

I still find Kasen precious though. Hope there's more of her. That was a cool image of her to start off Chapter 3.

Superjustinbros

Also before the comic tea party ends, I'd like to wish you luck with developing the story further, @eleviken. It's really developing well so far.

RebelVampire

they can bond when elena needs fencing help and asks for some private lessons

mathtans

Agreed.

About the developing that is, not the fencing. Though that'd be fun too.

RebelVampire

kasen is adorable though. i really like her hair in particular for some reason. its so fluffy and bouncy seeming

mathtans

"Don't fence me in."

ShaRose49

I don’t think this story is super romantic I’m not a huge romance person

@mathtans great pun

RebelVampire

oh its not. i will be surprised if theres romance at all. but shipping can be part of fun theory time

mathtans

True, I don't see the comic veering heavy into romance. (I just like adding yuri romance wherever I can.)

I also wonder if we'll see Soren's sister again. Like maybe one of the others will end up talking to her.

ShaRose49

I guess I like adding cartoony scifi wherever I can

Superjustinbros

No probs with that

ShaRose49

I loooove stories about siblings

mathtans

In fact maybe Soren and his sister is a parellel to the relationships between the Lins? Hmm.

ShaRose49

@Superjustinbros thanks I think you and I would get along fine XD scifi in me bloood

@mathtans oooh, I like this theory

eleviken

i am currently in class but i want to say thanks you all for coming!

Superjustinbros

You're welcome!

Glad to be here. ^^

ShaRose49

@eleviken thank you for coming and giving us something to talk about!

RebelVampire

i would like to see soren's sister again. cause theres gotta be a degree of tension there since soren can come off as the favorite since hes the one who gets to go to the prestigious academy

mathtans

Thanks for putting it out there, eleviken! (Also, maybe you shouldn't be messaging in class while the teacher is talking, the way Valentin got called out. )

I tease.

RebelVampire

thank you as well, eleviken~!

eleviken

i wil catch up later, sorry i couldnt participate!

mathtans

Rebel: Good point about that.

Superjustinbros

Have a good rest of the day/evening, Eleviken!

mathtans

I also wonder a bit why the headmaster's from Sweden, if they're in China. I wonder if that will be addressed.

Anyway, best with the comic!

RebelVampire

COMIC TEA PARTY- THURSDAY BOOK CLUB END!

Sadly, this wraps up this week’s Thursday Book Club chat for now. Thank you so much to everyone for reading and joining us! We want to give a special thank you to Evelyn Shi, as well, for making Chasing Little Lights. If you liked the comic, make sure to support Evelyn Shi’s efforts however you’re able to~!

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June 29th, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on June 29th, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PST.  The chat focused on Chaotic Nation by Zyephen.

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RebelVampire

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Chaotic Nation by Zyephen~! (https://tapas.io/series/Chaotic-Nation) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~! With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i'm torn

Zyephen

will not be surprised if everyone picks the bath scene

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

looooooooooooool

IT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT

Zyephen

lol

RebelVampire

i like to refer to it as the almost dicks scene cause that was the scene while evaluating rating made me the most nervous for the innocent eyes XD

Zyephen

LOL

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm still reading...

:V

Zyephen

yes dat's fairly accurate

RebelVampire

thats ok you can insert thoughts as reading.

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i also liked the scene where arei pretty much kicks taron's butt in front of everyone xD

Zyephen

poor Taron. Ego pains

RebelVampire

actually almost dicks scene was not my fave tho. i really liked the scene where Taron and Arei came to that burned down village and Taron found that girl in the well. I thought it was cute because up till this point taron had mostly been a rough around the edges sort of person. so i thought it was sweet and ironic he was the one who actually found a survivor.

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

oh yeah there was that too

RebelVampire

granted i also liked most of the fight scenes cause i think the magic effects look genuinely cool and exciting

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

yissssss

the fight scenes are really nicely drawn

Zyephen

That's nice to hear, cause i think fight scenes are my weakest point.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

hmmm there seems to be many pages per episode... this is gonna take a while

RebelVampire

i believe in you mharz

throws all the belief

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Sorry I was too busy yesterday. (edited)

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i read it on the smackjeeves site lol

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

maybe I should switch

I only saw tapas link

RebelVampire

admittedly i think the fight scenes could work on clarity as far as the action goes, but i think overall aesthetically theyre nice to look at and exciting.

i think i pinned the smackjeeves mirror on this channel

Tenor

You did.

It's how I found it lol

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

this guy is totally presh

Tenor

HI LATE, don't have much to add to the question because I didn't get to read (weh busy) but I wanted to drop off that from a glance in the first chapter I especially liked the backgrounds being painted vaguely, yet detailed enough to give each panel a nice, fleshed world but it didn't pull at all from the attention on the main characters and I HOPE I CAN READ IT SOON <3

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I kinda wish Areitus was a girl.... prefers fictional women over men

you know I like me some pretty girls

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

theres daya

she's a pretty girl

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

errrh

Zyephen

Bast is pretty

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

oh yeah bast is pretty too

Zyephen

pretty dangerous

RebelVampire

yeah bast is pretty hot

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm still on chapter 1 so I don't know the character yet

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

they pick up a girl later thats also pretty cute too

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

gimme the smackjeeves links I'll read there

tapas is giving me a hard time with all the scrolling

RebelVampire

http://chaoticnation.smackjeeves.com/

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

rebel was faster thanb me

Zyephen

Yeah the art from chapter 1 to chapter 14 is pretty drastically improved

Been working on it for over 10 years

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i noticed that

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I don't think I can read this in one sitting

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

it was p cool seeing the art progress

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

D:

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

from chapter 1 to now

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

it's even longer than cali's volumes

Zyephen

4....28 pages i think

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

>A>

Zyephen

328*

RebelVampire

not really in total im pretty sure cali's is longer

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

yeaaaaaah

LOL

RebelVampire

but just read what you can

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

you did start in 2011 so for sure there will be tons of improvement

Zyephen

http://orig11.deviantart.net/4f72/f/2016/108/2/1/taron_dakimakura_by_zyephens_insanity-d9zeliv.jpg this is in my bed atm

lol

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

hubba hubba

RebelVampire

omg thats awesome

Zyephen

rofl

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I dunno... It has more texts than cali's so I'm slower to read

OMG

RebelVampire

i do like how the art improved. particularly with the line work. i always like really polished linework

yeah it does have more text. thats the catch.

Zyephen

http://orig12.deviantart.net/f76f/f/2016/108/6/6/areitus_dakimakura_by_zyephens_insanity-d9z2u25.jpg the other side

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

areeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Zyephen

lol arei is your fave?

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I'm gonna look for that pretty girl your saying

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

of the two, yeah

Zyephen

Daya comes in chapter 3, I think Bast in the end of chapter 4

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

toooo faaaaaaaaaarrrr

screms

RebelVampire

those are really beautiful dakimakura

Zyephen

thanks

RebelVampire

this reminds me that overall i really enjoy how everything took a turn for the worst really quickly for final ground. i thought it presented some really good extra conflict and was kind of a good twist since you usually dont expect things to go south so soon

mathtans

Hiyo. I'm late. Also only had a chance to read the first 3 books earlier this week. Also fights and stuff isn't really my preference, so I'm not sure how much my opinion counts for. I will say, I like the "human mage" concept.

zetina

I'm appreciating the existence of nipples. And nice muscles

mathtans

I wonder if there's really more to it.

Queen Brave Hikari of Memes

I couldn't read it, I'm still on chapter 1, but I must say I love the art, hot guys

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i felt really sad for tisik how that fight went down too

Zyephen

Tisik always get the short stick

poor guy

mathtans

Possibly not even the short stick, if it's sold.

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i wanna give him all the hugs

RebelVampire

ah tisik will be fine. just needs to be dusted off. told not to worry that everone he knows is dead.

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

loooooooool

Zyephen

shake it off it's just your only good eye

you're fine.

lol

RebelVampire

ah cali's doodles appear

Zyephen

Tisik still needs to show off his nipples

RebelVampire

QUESTION 2. Towards the beginning of the comic, Areitus ominously mentions that the Karian are up to something since humans are disappearing. Even more so, various scenes do depict the Karians hauling people away. What do you think the Karians are up to? What does this have to do (if anything) with the king’s inaction and the tense treaty with the Karians?

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

oh yeah

mathtans

Maybe they're making human mages, but one has now gone rogue on them!

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i'm really interested on why they keep abducting people

omg

RebelVampire

random fact, wrote this question before i noticed there was a new page about this topic. and was like

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

keeps forgetting that this will be archived and our derp convo will be recorded forever

RebelVampire

to be fair discord saves the convo forever. so its archived in some sense already

mathtans

(My speculations will probably be off target since I've only read, like, 20%....)

Zyephen

You can never escape your own stupid shiet - zyeph 2017

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

sounds about right

RebelVampire

truer words have never been spoken

if they were making human mages i dont think theyd be surprised one exists

Zyephen

dat scene with naked Bast wearing all her jewelry, she was like - wtf human mage?

RebelVampire

but to be fair to the theory, maybe she just too low ranking O_O and only the highest of the highest know

tbh im waiting for a twist like theyre using the humans in some massive magical blood sacrifice

and the king is just a super fan of blood sacrifice rituals

Zyephen

I can't say anything lol

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i was thinking either slavery or sacrifices too lol

RebelVampire

as you shouldnt. should just sit back and watch us wildly speculate

slavery seems the most likely but hence why i feel thats too simple

things feel more ominous then that

Zyephen

maniacal laughter

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

or they're eating them

gotta love bbq humans

Zyephen

dey got dos pointy teeth

RebelVampire

gotta use the pointy teeth for something

but if we assume the king is in on something then i think slavery still just too simple. its gotta be bigger. cause if they just wanted slaves i doubt they would need a treaty. could just defeat all humanity and say "well that was fun now we have our cattle humans."

mathtans

Didn't one of 'em say a particular human "bled too much"? If they wanted a blood sacrifice, seems like that would've been an advantage. Maybe they're used for target practice.

Like a Hunger Games kinda thing.

RebelVampire

omg that made me picture them tying to like a dart board and throwing knives at them just from how it was worded

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I see nekkid ladies!!!

Zyephen

Vade probably likes the ones that bleed

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

ooops wrong emoji

Zyephen

lol

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

looool

mathtans

Well, dart board humans could be a thing too.

Zyephen

just hope Vade never runs into poor lil Hisu alone, cause he'd prob carve him up and serve him with taters.

RebelVampire

on a side note, i really love vade's design. particularly his tattoo things. idk why exactly but they just make me think "man, this is a cool guy....if not murderous"

idk Hisu so giant would be too big for one meal

Zyephen

LOl

he's like a giant puppy

RebelVampire

like youd at least have to invite the other generals

make a feast out of it

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

NOT THE CUTIE

zetina

tuning in to say that my first impression of Hisu is "they're adorable and i want to be their friend"

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I like how Bast has a spine on her spine

RebelVampire

LOL

omg

Zyephen

she got the back bone

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

she couldnt remember where the spine would be

RebelVampire

i think Hisu is literally the most easily likeable

cause hes too adorable

cant hate

Zyephen

lol.... he has a horrible back story too

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

HE NEEDS HUGS TOO

Zyephen

but only hugs from boys

rofl

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

tisik or taron should hug him

/shot

RebelVampire

you mean...you mean his backstory isnt he was born from clouds and rainbows in a field of flowers?

Zyephen

well... maybe initially

but then shit hit the fan

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

imagines him riding unicorns

and accidentally squishes it cus he too big

Zyephen

it'd have to be like clydesdale unicorns

What characters are you guys most curious about their backstory?

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I wanna boop his nose.

Zyephen

LOl

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

and pinch his cheeks

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

all of them

RebelVampire

everyone

O_O

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

looooooool

like

how taron and arei met

RebelVampire

uh if i had to pick..... sweats the choice is too hard

Zyephen

has a non-posted chapter about just that

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

and arei in general cus dat pic in the buried box

>A>

Zyephen

lol people were like - wtf his hair

RebelVampire

im sure it was instyle then O_O

Zyephen

maybe the chick liked to braid hair

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

I like the design on this one

Zyephen

my critters

RebelVampire

ah yeah i really thought the art on the creatures was really well done. like you really get a feel for what the texture is

and that these creatures are 2 spook

should probably run

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

yus

RebelVampire

or become a karian and learn to just implode things

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

would totes have one as a pet

name it fido

Zyephen

http://img11.deviantart.net/4a0f/i/2016/359/f/6/general_thiel_by_zyephens_insanity-dasu6ko.jpg yet to be introduced

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

have it eat my enemies

Zyephen

he's fun to draw

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

ooooooo

he looks awesome

O_O

RebelVampire

2 spook for me. mostly cause of the scorpion like tail. shivers and hides; mayhappen to live in the desert where scorpions are a literal house pest

rip whoever meets that

Zyephen

his mouth is on his stomach too

RebelVampire

ooh thats cool. O_O but still rip. can just imagine someone getting their arm stuck and ripped off

Zyephen

I'm currently writing his back story

he bites the top of a guy's head off.

fun

that will be fun to draw

RebelVampire

i bet itll look awesome cause i think the gore bits as it were are well done in general

Zyephen

I love drawing gore.. >>;

idk

RebelVampire

i finally picked. the characters whose background i most wanna know is actually kesthius and deviar

Zyephen

the bros!

RebelVampire

because im really curious about their relationship and why they so close. cause they do seem especially clingy in a way. always looking out for each other. which i really sweet. but also makes me hmm did something happen that they felt they had only each other

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Sorry that I am late

So far I am enjoying the comic but didn't have time to read a lot

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

So i was weighing them down...

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I only read the first two chapters

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

but I prefer Daya over Bast

Zyephen

only 12 more to go!

hah

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

buuuuut Stil prefer Arie as a girl

slaps self

Zyephen

lol well he's pretty like a girl?

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I have to admit I am really enjoying the story so far. Seems like my type of reading but I will need to get back to it soon

Zyephen

Taron prob preffers him as a girl too

prefers*

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

no I prefer girls

and yuri

/shots

RebelVampire

mharz no. youve got to move on. accept the truth.

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

screms

D:

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

accept arei is lovely as a pretty boy >V>

RebelVampire

and thats ok feather a lot of ppl seem to have been busy this week tears

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

nuuuuuuu

Zyephen

lol well to each their own!

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I appreciate all types of love in every single angle

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

gimme all the yuris

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

So I am hoping to get to know more about the mage and magic system

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

gimmie all the yaois

throws tables

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Zyephen

My friend said she doesn't like that they have to say the spells aloud to cast

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

gimme kissy ladies

:V

RebelVampire

lol i have no qualms about them saying the spells aloud to cast. a lot of magic systems do.

Zyephen

I like it, idk

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i don't mind it either

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Yeah I personally would like to know more about the spell system so I guess I will need to read more

RebelVampire

i mean to be fair i do appreciate yours are pretty short incantations. cause that alleviates the tactical disadvantages of longer incantations

Queen Mharz of Buffers and Wings

Anyway, I'm gonna get breakfast so please enjoy yourselves... I'll be here crying while eating...

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Points at Prompt and Perfection for yaoi yuri straight odd weird everything pairings

RebelVampire

cause rebel assess by tactical advantage apparently

pats mharz

QUESTION 3. Areitus is unique because he is a human mage, something that hasn’t existed for a very long time. Even more so, it is only the Karians who are truly adept at magic so far. How do you think Areitus came into his powers? Does the reason have something to do with the bigger conflict that is going on?

its the question for you mathtans

mathtans

If spells have to be said aloud, that's a way of preventing people from casting.

RebelVampire

O_O

zetina

mmm lovin' the cover for chapter 7

mathtans

Heh. Well, he had to learn it from someone, right?

Zyephen

one of my faves

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I bet the wizards did it slapped

mathtans

Oooh, maybe he's a half breed?

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Naw let's see what convulted theory I can do here

mathtans

Cosmetic surgery? Wait, that's not a thing... magic surgery?

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i wondered about if he could be a half breed too lol

RebelVampire

i thought half breed but then was like "maybe thats too obvious"

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

So he went on a long journey to see a magic tree who sent him to see a magic whale who was like get in my belly to get magic and then shot him out of the blowhole all magical and shit

RebelVampire

i dont believe in occams razor for theories. O_O

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

I just like dumb theories

Zyephen

giggle

mathtans

Actually, if Karians can do magic, why don't they do it to try and blend in more? Like, spies?

Zyephen

how do you know that haven't done that already?

mathtans

I do not know. O.O

Zyephen

hehe

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Anyways I will read more after exams

got to go now

RebelVampire

my wonder is more if the karians can just point and implode their cattle dragon monsters, why cant they point and just implode humans. or do they think thats not fun enough

good luck on exams feather~!

mathtans

Humans have souls! .... Random speculation!

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

human pinatas

Zyephen

Bast did one shot one of the soldiers in chapter 7 or 8... forget

zetina

So far, I'm really appreciating that there aren't any huge infodumps. All the lore so far has come up organically through dialogue and events. I know who the enemies are, I know magic isn't a human thing, I know there's a treaty etc etc. You can infer everything. No one chimed in to ask what the two leads' relationship is - so far I have been able to understand that Arei is teaching the other and is much more experienced. I imagine I'll find out even more like this as I go along.(edited)

mathtans

That's a good point.

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

and also seems like arei found taron when he was younger

too

judging by that one panel

zetina

Yeah! there was that brief one-panel flashback near the start

Zyephen

chapter 2

zetina

is Arei older than he looks? that's what i wonder now

RebelVampire

yes i do like how the lore is presented too. and i like its not all infodumped cause it does leave room for interesting speculation.

Zyephen

we did get that peek at the "buried treasure" as mercedes called it

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Oh yes I agree with that

I love the writing it's good

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

he so magical that he keeps his young looks despite beinga thousand years old

Feather, Duke of Comedic Timing

Ahhh I need to stop looking back

RebelVampire

yeah cause when taron found that picture arei was like "that was another life" so what if arei is like some ancient immortal that existed before the cataclysm

since the lore does hint human mages existed before

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

OH

OH OH

HE'S THE AVATAR

Zyephen

LOL

RebelVampire

i just choked on my soda. i now conclude cali is behind everything

zetina

Another good example of what I brought up is the fact that no one explained how Karians are different. It's obviously the ears. So when Taron focuses on Bast's ears, you immediately get that he realized "what" she is. It's nothing, like, WHOA. It's basic visual storytelling or whatever but

hey most of us are amateurs and it's a good example

Zyephen

Sure he was looking at her ears, not her ass.

zetina

Arei has eyes that look kinda pupil-less or misty too. So he deff has this mythical feel to him like he's not quite human.

Zyephen

we'll go with that

RebelVampire

maybe he was looking at both

taron can multitask

Zyephen

XD

zetina

ofc what he saw first was the bod hence the and blush B)

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

"if only arei had that bod...."

shot

zetina

the ears were a disappointing realization

Zyephen

well... Taron's moral compass is just south of moral

lol

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

the bath scene made me think taron could have a lil crush on arei lol

zetina

Taron just wants to be cool and get tail but he forgot that you need social skills and charm to get tail and be cool :'(

Zyephen

X3 dat blush

RebelVampire

Taron just a grumpy bear. wants to be strong like big brother arei but is still so tiny.

Zyephen

http://orig02.deviantart.net/27db/f/2012/128/a/a/defeat_by_zyephens_insanity-d4yzmqa.jpg

X3

zetina

physically big but skill-wise tiny haha

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

BAES

RebelVampire

i was gonna say cute but they look half dead

so more babies no

zetina

i still say cute

because napping together while half dead is super cute

Zyephen

Aw Taron just needs to have the chance to shine! and not get tea-bagged by a dragon.

RebelVampire

i always feel a bit bad for taron cause i feel like he does have his moments of shine....just ya know, when no one is around to see

Zyephen

lol

RebelVampire

like saving mercedes. that was him doing good. but only arei was really around

Zyephen

http://orig15.deviantart.net/a9d2/f/2011/290/b/1/meeting_your_enemy_by_zyephens_insanity-d4d5ey6.jpg

zetina

Yeah! I dunno of the main draw is fighting but if so, I deff wanna see other characters show off their skills. Then when Arei does something really amazing, it'll be enhanced by how much better than those cool guys he is! Though I haven't caught up yet so..

RebelVampire

omg this is the best page

Zyephen

lol

zetina

THOSE FACES

Zyephen

Taron. such a tease

mathtans

Yeah, some of the side comedy is nice. Expressions help with that.

Zyephen

lol i liek doing stupid faces sometimes

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

HAHAHA TARON

zetina

i love that Taron gets to only shine out of public eye? he does shit to be seen so it's like karma or something. i just know that i like that whole trope where people underestimate a character cuz they haven't seen them at their best. and then it can pay off with Taron doing something amazing in front of everyone when he's matured a bit.

Zyephen

Bast like - hold on shoots him in the forhead ok, carry on.

Taron is the king of getting into trouble really

RebelVampire

of all the comedic moments this one is definitely my favorite

Zyephen

a cute behemoth

RebelVampire

taron's face is so perfect for the moment tho.

but also man is hisu tall.

Zyephen

I like the face he makes at the end of the shower scene

when he's like- are you being sarcastic?

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

hisu is like a gentle giant

Zyephen

Everyone's so mean to him too. poor guy

RebelVampire

haha that is a good face. relatedly, i also enjoy that taron got his petty revenge by having already looted the talisman

zetina

i want to sit on Hisu's shoulders

Zyephen

lol Hisu pony

http://orig02.deviantart.net/b164/f/2016/236/9/9/kiss_after_training_by_zyephens_insanity-daf70e8.jpg

have shameless kissy doodle

RebelVampire

i like how you call it a doodle but its still pretty clean. XD

at least...tisik is blind atm and doesnt have to witness this

Zyephen

wel.... it's not done, it's a doodle

Tisik like- THERE'S ONLY ROOM IN THIS ARMY FOR ONE GAY MAN! AND THE SPOT IF FILLED!

is*

Hisu - points at self quizzically

RebelVampire

LOL

i can only picture him screaming that during where the comic is currently at

since thats the most inappropriate time for that

Zyephen

LOL screams at the lake cause he's blind

RebelVampire

everyone just sitting by, looking at him with remorse as they wonder what the lake ever did to him

QUESTION 4. The comic often mentions a cataclysm that resulted in the characters’ current world. There are hints throughout that the world had advanced technology before this cataclysm, most prominently alluded to by the car Hisu was fixing. What do you think this cataclysm was? Do you think this leftover technology will ever play a part in the story?

Deity Cali of Speed and Dis Pear

i forgot about the car being a thing

loooool

RebelVampire

i wanted him to fix it so they could have a fun road trip through the countryside :"D

Zyephen

Well I guess Hisu's car got burned with the rest of the castle.

ff15cough

mathtans

Hmmm. Natural event? Or manmade?

RebelVampire

omg cannot unsee ff15 now.

that is the question

granted i usually assume manmade

cause bad humans

mathtans

Perhaps it was the discovery of magic. Which got the attention of the Karians.

RebelVampire

except the description on tap says "Karians were first born during the cataclysm."

which if thats still accurate

Zyephen

yup that's accurate

RebelVampire

so maybe it couldve been the discovery of magic but maybe that discovery led to the creation of the karian cause human bodies too fragile for magic

mathtans

Oh yeah. Hmmmm. Well, could still discover magic and that causes babies to change?

Or that.

Or maybe just everyone's cell phone died at once and people lost it.

They tried to genetically engineer people with built in wifi.

RebelVampire

well to be fair if there was a really bad solar flare itd take out the entire world's power grid. and thats not a good thing

Zyephen

I have no cell service!!! scene from the kingsman movie ensues

mathtans

That's true.

RebelVampire

thatd be a sad cataclysm. as like hisu finds a cell phone and everyone is like "hiss that was the cause of the cataclysm"

Zyephen

lol

hisu- I'm gonna fix it

mathtans

Makes the thumb/index symbol for 'call me'.

RebelVampire

LOL

Zyephen

haha

mathtans

(Oh wait, thumb pinkie... you know what I mean...)

Zyephen

http://orig15.deviantart.net/1134/f/2017/179/1/b/chaotic_nation_ch14_pg05_by_zyephens_insanity-dbeedpa.jpg how bout dis new page. new character

human character =x

RebelVampire

LOL i was just looking at that page and thinking man this is the most interesting page to suddenly appear

i really like general kaash's design

like he looks like a badass

Zyephen

I just redesigned him recently. Pretty happy with him.

mathtans

Curious, how much is scripted in advance?

Zyephen

I have a rough plot with just like bullet points

but i write out the chapter's dialogue before i do it

mathtans

Makes sense.

Zyephen

I have 9 arcs planned

currently on arc 2...

mathtans

Wowwww. I admire the ambition.

Zyephen

lol

when I'm 70 It should be done

lol

RebelVampire

ah good. id hate the story to end so soon since it does feel like its getting really good. and also cause theres so much character development potential. and so many questions

like i really wanna know about the king

and why he sucks at kinging

Zyephen

lol it'll be obvious in a few pages

since he's about to come in

mathtans

He's a midget.

Zyephen

lol

RebelVampire

to hisu everyone is a midget

zetina

king comes in late with starbucks "hey hi where's some peasants i can step on and ignore"

Zyephen

tyron lanester?

tyrion*

RebelVampire

if tyrion was king i might side with him

Zyephen

lol for sho

RebelVampire

and just be like "ah man the peasants are having problems? thats umm...unfortunate. plz say something witty to aleive the situation."

mathtans

Could the king be married to a Karian or something?

zetina

SCANDALOUS

RebelVampire

of the possibilities i ran through my head never considered that one

cause itd make sense why there was suddenly a treaty or if it was part of the treaty agreement

mathtans

"Meet my waifu, she does all the governing stuff."

(Or he. Not to judge.)

Zyephen

the king just goes and plays golf

maybe he's married to vade

rofl

RebelVampire

HAHA

thats why theyre like "sure come on in vade"

zetina

agh it's almost 5am and i'm dyin of hunger. im going to bed <'D made it to chapter 11 tho. i wasn't sure on the story at first, but Arei and Taron have grown on me so I'm looking forward to learn more about them in the future. As well as learning more about the actual conflict and its history.

Zyephen

thanks for reading

zetina

thanks for making the story =v=

RebelVampire

thank you for coming zetina~!

Zyephen

^-^

RebelVampire

my semi-joke theory is that the king is a minor. and the karians were like "well give you these cool toys if you give us humans"

so king was like sure thats awesome

whoo toys

Zyephen

haha

mathtans

King plays video games all day. He has the only working electronics.

Zyephen

or maybe he's a teenager and they gave him hot ladies

they're liek we'll give you this whore house if you just sit back and chill

king's like- k

RebelVampire

ah man taron, go usurp the king. then you can get the hot ladies and be set for life.

Zyephen

lol

there's gonig to be a brothel in this chapter

should be fun

mathtans

For who?

Zyephen

that's the question

RebelVampire

clearly its for hisu

Zyephen

Hisu would be like... the whore

lol

RebelVampire

HAHA

at least hed be a popular whore. with so many adorable faces

mathtans

"You want me to what?"

Zyephen

Taron comes in and hisu is like, my body is ready. and Taron is like fck. this is not what i paid for.

RebelVampire

and arei is outside just shaking his head in shame at taron.

Zyephen

arei like- am i not enough?!

RebelVampire

arei just needs to put on something sexy

problem solved

Zyephen

lol banana hammock

mathtans

A peeling.

RebelVampire

Unfortunately, the scheduled Comic Tea Party is now complete~! Thank you everyone so much for joining this week’s chat~! That being said, if you would like to continue discussing the comic, we encourage you to do so~! We want to give a big thank you to Zyephen, as well, for volunteering Chaotic Nation for our reading queue. If you liked the comic, please be sure to support Zyephen’s efforts. If you have questions, concerns, or suggestions about CTP, please feel free to PM me, or e-mail me at rebelvampire@startfaire.com.

With that said, next week’s Comic Tea Party will focus on Oops Comic Adventure by Cyndi Foster and Jeramy Hobz. Please use this week to read as much of the comic as you would like. Hope to see you next Thursday (July 6th) from 5PM to 7PM PST~! Until then~! Comic: https://tapas.io/series/Oops-Comic-Adventure-3