#who knows if these ppl are gendercrit

[vintage-bentley]

I’m gendercrit but holy hell I’m still shocked at how bad those comments were. I love how so many of the negative ones are like “as a polyace as a trans gay guy as an asexual,” go on to insist that PIV can be gay, when they have absolutely zero stake or should have any opinion on homosexuality at all. I’m also sure the author is probably gay or lesbian and they jumped on them for this - chastising them for being a bad gay basically, a bigot a terrible person, because having an opinion that’s absolutely 100% correct and based in the reality of sex and calling out homophobia is a sure fire way to get yourself crucified by people who appropriate shit. These people are batshit insane and hate gay people. Author should do an updated essay where they’re even more upfront and angry tbh especially since this GO attitude of ‘they’re not human they can mix match sex and still be gay” has literally spread to other fandoms with human gay couples and so where’s this excuse now? They don’t respect gay characters and they def don’t understand or share any common goals with actual gay ppl

The worst thing about those people acting like they have any say on topics about homosexuality, is that you can’t tell them otherwise without being told you’re some sort of phobic!! When it comes to all their made up issues, they have no problem saying “only ace people get an opinion!” But when it comes to actual real issues regarding homosexuals, suddenly it’s open to everyone. I wonder if it has to do with the way they’ve hijacked the word gay to no longer mean homosexual, but to instead mean “anyone who wants to call themselves gay to feel special”. As in, they think they’re gay because they want multiple partners, so they get a say in anything regarding gay people.

It’s even worse with “trans gays”…because you know damn well they’re literally homophobic heterosexuals…but you can’t tell them that unless you want to be called transphobic. And you know they won’t listen to you when you say “Aiden, you’re a homophobic straight woman, you get no say on this topic” because they’re so self-absorbed and so caught up in their own ideology that they don’t even listen to anyone who begins to invalidate their fantasy.

Point of that little rant is to say, it is so damn frustrating to see a bunch of non-homosexuals acting like their opinion holds the same weight as homosexuals when it comes to discussing our sexuality…and knowing that their ideology enables them so much that you can’t say anything about it, they’ll just tune you out. It’s frustrating to know that I can give my opinion as a homosexual, only to be overruled by a straight woman calling herself an “aromantic trans nonbinary man” who thinks her fake identities give her more say than me.

And yes, the backlash to the essay absolutely has to do with the idea of a (presumed) homosexual stepping out of line. These people see gays as pawns and objects they own, and hate to see us having our own voice that opposes theirs. Because they think they’re entitled to our agreement and compliance.

They’re also accustomed to being in a community where everyone has the same opinions, everyone claims they’re gay, and everyone validates them. So I think it’s an absolute shock to them when somebody they assume would be in this same boat, has a mind of their own. It’s like, “what? You’re supposed to be Mindless Genderist #200, especially because you’re gay! How could you betray our community like this?”

If the author is still around here and reading this, please please please write another essay, I will eat it up. The first one did a really good job of being respectful and not heavy-handed on the gender critical aspect, which I think is the reason it resonated with me. If it was explicitly a “terf” essay, all my critical thinking would’ve been shut down because Terf Bad. But because it was just laying out points with no belief system attached, I was able to go into it just as a homosexual and find my agreement that way, not swayed by any pressures to believe a certain ideology. But it would be great to read another one that is more firm and angry, because lord knows it would be more than justified.

And I’ve noticed that too, that the “they’re not human, so they can’t be gay” excuse has spread to other fandoms. It’ll just take different forms depending on what’s available in the media’s universe. So for example, in a universe with magic, the fandom will use the magic system as an excuse for why the characters can’t possibly be gay (but they can be anything else). In a universe without magic, it’ll be something like “well, these characters are so deep and complex, so it’s not good to limit them to a label like gay (but they can be anything else)”.

It’s very clear to me that it’s not actually about trying to find interesting and complex ways of worldbuilding like these fandoms claim. Because if that was the case, why would homosexuality need to be ruled out? Wouldn’t it be interesting to discuss how this very real and important experience fits in with the universe in question? Instead, this is clearly about how fandom has always been homophobic, and they’ve finally found an acceptable excuse for it. Why else would the focus constantly be on explaining why characters can’t possibly be gay?

[butchviking]

was just thinking but when people say stuff like oh gender criticals dont interact while also saying to criticize and abolish gender i believe its bc the definition of that term has gotten extremely diluted and associated with a certain group of people. same with radfems. its not a bad thing but there are people who use those terms or claim to have those ideologies (when they usually really dont) and just use it to be assholes who are ruining it for everyone else. which might explain the cognitive dissonance of seeing people say gendercrits dni on a post about being critical of gender.

yeah so tru honestly. u know what i was talking 2 someone recently who got told i was a terf and they asked me abt it and i was like 'no that word doesnt mean anything i have no problem w trans ppl im just gender-critical' and they went n looked that phrase up and the definition they got for it literally used 'terf' as part of its defintion and said that gender-critical ideology was by definition against trans rights. (tho godbless they then just asked me to explain how that related to my views and i got to say 'yeah that doesnt represent me') its stupid and i get that this is being pushed out to people i get that everyone is supposed to take it as a given that "terf" and "gender-critical" and "radfem" and "transphobe" and even fucking. "feminist" are the same thing because it's been muddled up on purpose specifically TO confuse people but. jesus christ is it so much to ask for people to start thinking for themselves and looking into these things for themselves. i know everyone has told u that communicating with the enemy is evil terrible awful you will die but... if you make a post and your 'enemy' group seems to really agree with what ur saying... for gods sake just see why just ask them why instead of saying 'ew stop agreeing with me' maybe wonder WHY theyre agreeing with you maybe find out wht they actually have to say about it!!

[radicalectomy]

Seeing comments like these on a popular detransitioners tiktok does make me happy.

[angelsaxis]

oh that post actually reminds me--currently T3RFs and radfems and the like have the monopoly on criticizing like. basic gender roles like shaving and the like because lots of mainstream feminism is still too libfem/white feminist/supportive of capitalism and patriarchy to have basic statements like "the concept of beauty maintenance that women are subjected too from puberty is actually deeply fucked up" not seem like the most radical and out-there T3RFy statements. they're the only ppl to talk about makeup and that shit in a non hand holdy "its actually okay uwu" voice, and they obviously go out of their way to shit on trans women. both shitting on trans women and hating makeup and stuff became the marks of T3RF rhetoric so people associate the latter with the former, which is how you get people saying "hm OP is criticizing make up and body hair or writing something deep about girlhood? must be a radfem" and then radfems see the OP and they start crawling all over it. and then OP suffers and ppl get mad at OP for "inviting" T3RFs to come play instead of getting mad at T3RFs for showing up in the first place, and then tangentially getting mad at mainstream feminists for letting that rhetoric get co-opted in the first place.

so remember: criticizing gender roles isn't automatically T3RF rhetoric, a T3RF is a "Trans Exlusionary Radical Feminist" and hating gender roles doesn't automatically mean you hate transgender women, and as usual: T3RFs, radfems, gendercrits, all those other people who touch this post will not know peace and will not know heaven. everything I say and do is in defense of trans women.

[thisdiscontentedwinter]

You don't get a pass from me either, not for putting words into my mouth and into JKR's mouth, or for misconstruing what gendercritical people actually think. Yeah, we don't think trans women are biological women, or that womanhood is something to identify into. That's not hateful. It's not hate to point out science and reality. You've been told it is - by whom? Online ppl who need constant validation? Trans people know who they are and that their bodies are at the base of their experiences.

DW: Trans people know who they are, but you’re telling them they’re wrong? 

Fuck off. 

And guess what? I don’t need a pass from you on my own fucking Tumblr. 

Imagine coming into someone’s house uninvited, shitting on their floor, and then telling them they should give you a pass. 

[radfem-gossip-reborn]

(1/2)I am really, really not a fan of self dx but i feel like some gendercrits and radfems use it's frequency on this site as an excuse to assume everyone is self rx so they can mock them. Sharts comment abt "actual autistics, not kool aid haired community college students fidgeting w expensive toys" annoyed the shit out of me bc those traits have nothing to do with whether theyre #validue. As someome was diagnosed with autism, i feel so fucking bad for legitamately autistic genderists you mfers

“(2/2) come across bc i know youre going to use their disability as fodder against them. I know one of the sharts mods are autistic. Im autistic too. It still shows that gender crits + radfems only care abt hostility towards autistic ppl until its a blue haired genderist they cant relate to who dares to bring a tangle to class. It scares the shit out of me bc those of us who've actually been diagnosed could be accused of faking it if we get too cringey + once that happens, all bullying is excused”

x

[discyours]

Idk if U answered this type of ask before but what of post SRS trans ppl? I've been on T for years, I've done metoidioplasty. Ignoring the scars, I look like any other (sterile, of course) guy with a micropenis*. Ignoring the fact that's* sadly a deal breaker in itself... and I can accept lesbians can date trans men, but... Would they still date someone entirely post transition? Are straight girls I date Bi? Is it still harmful for them to date me? Where do post SRS trans fit in this discourse?

Sorry, I got this a few days ago but didn’t get around to answering it until now so now it seems very out of context.

My general policy on cotton ceiling discourse and post-SRS trans people is that I mostly stay out of it. It’s pretty uncommon for trans people to get bottom surgery, and the vast, vast majority of those who do are homosexual (attracted to the same biological sex) and have 0 intention of getting homosexuals of the opposite sex to be attracted to them. I’ve never personally slept with a trans person and it’d be really weird for me to start researching trans genitals just to have a more informed opinion on who should and should not fuck a tran. I will say that post-SRS genitals just aren’t the same as natal ones and that that’s a 100% valid reason to reject someone, but I don’t know and am not interested in knowing how big of a difference it actually makes when the person you’re having sex with is trans. 

That being said, I feel like the dynamic with trans men and straight women is very very different than with, say, trans women and lesbians. I do feel like it’s easier for trans men to pass (though I can’t speak on how much that actually affects attraction for obvious reasons) and since straight is the default I feel like it’s far more common for people who identify as straight to actually be a little bi. Straight people don’t have a history of having the possibility of bisexuality held over their heads in order to attempt to convert them so when someone who’s actually bi “identifies” as straight (ie Joey Sarson, Blaire White’s boyfriend who’s known for only dating trans women) not much harm is done and I have very little interest in convincing them to identify differently unless they start applying their own logic to their sexuality to gay people. 

But as for your original question; there’s a long history of trans men dating lesbians and while transition definitely shrinks your dating pool, I don’t think it’s impossible for lesbians to date fully transitioned trans men. I don’t like to talk about this because it just makes people dysphoric for no reason. but I definitely still recognise a lot of fully transitioned trans men as female (which I couldn’t before I was gendercrit so I think it really depends on your perspective). Transitioning probably isn’t going to make you more attractive to any lesbians, but completely unattractive to 100% of them? Nope.

I don’t think straight girls you date are automatically bi, like I’ve said before I don’t think it’s impossible for people to go against their orientation, just harmful. Whether “going against their orientation” still applies when straight women date fully transitioned trans men? I honestly don’t know. I don’t know how straight women’s attraction works. It’s not something I care to find an answer to unless straight trans men start a movement against the transmisandrist straight women who refuse to accept boipussy as being truly male, which doesn’t seem likely.

As to where you fit in? Generally somewhere as a prop for het trans people to use in arguments you’re not relevant in, honestly. 

[four-for-fidelity]

idk if it bothers you when it comes to reblogs but i thought i'd tell you that the devils advocate post was made by a transphobe who id's as an "ex-transman and ex-liberal feminist" and has been reblogged by many gendercritical/transphobic ppl and it's cool if that kinda thing doesn't bother you (bc tumblr is a hellscape for that kinda thing) but I'd rather mention it in case it does bc you deserve to take care of yourself if that does bother you

i feel so jaded by this goddamn website and i shouldn’t even be surprised at this point but i sure am surprised every time something like this happens

thank you for letting me know though, i really appreciate it!