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tabellae-rex-in-sui · 3 months ago
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I'm new to Sade so sorry if this is a stupid question, but was Sade gay? I'm currently reading Justine and noticed the passionate, semi-romantic descriptions of m/m sex, which contrast with the crude descriptions of f/m sex. I've not read all of Sade's books, but the ones I have read also feature characters who're mostly disinterested in women, who give off self-insert vibes (e.g. Dolmancé). Am I reading too much into it? IDK but I was wondering if you could shed some light.
Happy deathday to Sade!! lol
Really all that can be said with certainty is that he definitely wasn't straight lol. Like anyone who died before modern queer theory, Sade's sexuality can be difficult to label with today's terminology. He was certainly attracted to both men and women, so for simplicity's sake I just say he was bisexual. But really, who knows...
Characters that he uses as self-inserts like Dolmancé in PitB or Bressac in Justine are pretty exclusively attracted to men. Like you said, there's multiple times in his writing where characters will praise m/m sex and show blatant disgust towards sex with women. But if you look at Sade's life, there's only one known* male sex partner and many women. There's also several women Sade was in love with throughout his life, but there exists no letters of him professing love to any man. Could this be because male victims were less likely to go to the police, therefore less known to us? because women were easier to pursue in public? because even he felt the pressure of societal norms? because he kept relations with men better hidden? because any such letters or records were selectively destroyed by a relative? Who knows! It could be some, all, or none of these things. It's really up to the interpretation of the reader. The misogyny, philosophical extremism, and very culturally different ideas about sex add so many different variables to Sade's sexuality.
To add further confusion: gender and sexuality were much more correlated in Sade's writing (and seemingly in the time period in general, I mean look at the bisexual Lord Hervey being referred to as "the third sex"), male characters who get sodimized call it them "becoming women", women who put on strap-ons "become men", even women who get sodimized are masculinized: Saint-Ange says she wants to be a "Ganymede" to Dolmancé. So sodomy seemed inherently gay to Sade, regardless of the sexes involved or what roles they played. Whereas today, that's definitely not the case. Beauvoir follows along with the sexuality-gender correlation and suggests that Sade felt more feminine than masculine and his written contempt for female genitalia was a product of his own gender frustrations. From what I've read, most modern historians tend to avoid labeling Sade with anything other than "sodomite" and "libertine" only using "bisexual" and "homosexual" to label certain actions he performed like "homosexual sex" "bisexual orgy" etc. This is when the word queer is godsent.
Tldr; He's too 18th century libertine for modern labels. Colloquially, I default to calling him bi, but we'll never really know. Maybe he would have preferred gay due to his preferences/philosophies. Who knows. Safest bet is to just call him queer.
*Should go without saying but, there were obviously more. Latour is just the only named one with recorded proof.
#sade not really having any close male friends throughout his life is so crazy to me#like its the 1700s and you DONT have a homosocial-homoerotic Friend you profess eternal devotion and love to???#get with the fucking program man#but it does make sense for Sade tho; he was so antisocial and insecure I can't be too shocked he didn't have male friends#Ive always seen his prefernce for female friendships as an extension of his control freakness and misogyny#I don't think hed be able to maintain a genuine friendship with anyone he considered a societal threat; which eliminates any other noblemen#he liked to be the most powerful person in the room; so he only befriended those he saw as ''beneath'' him#We have that very telling letter he wrote as a teen to his father where he became close to another boy in his regiment#he says smth like ''I am his friend; I have reason to believe he may be mine but what can we believe anyway? Friends often prove defective''#he just did not befriend many men in his life#I think it's an ego thing but who knows#maybe he genuinely did enjoy the company of women more; or like how Beauvoir suggests; he identified more with women than men#or both idk; those aren't mutually exclusive#maybe sade would have liked the split attraction model lol#prefers sex with men but relationships with women?#or maybe he would have hated labeling everything#but he did love his numbers and data and theorizing so maybe he would have liked it#the machinations of his mind are an enigma#Fritz is so obvious. Like that man way gay; no doubt#Sade??? uh.. queer#but thats just my opinion on it all. there's no right answer and I'm not a historian/anthropologist/psychologist#ask#anon ask
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fighting-these-demons · 9 months ago
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Divorce Saga Domon - A Haunted Honk Prequel
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This is an idea for a fic set in an Alternate Universe involving Queer Non-Canon Relationships between the characters of the series.
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Ended up outlining a completely different fic as a Segway for an explanation instead of making progress on the Royal Flush Haunted Honk AU's Clown Motel Fic like I wanted to but uh....
For y'all's review for the AU: A Prequel Outline - Divorce Saga Domon
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Hey real quick - I'm thinking of maybe changing the timeline to 2 years post canon as opposed to 3 years and change post canon.
The reason being: I had a thought that this scene could either be part if the fic or if it's getting to big then it could be a stand alone tie-in prequel fic as part of this AU but - like
Immediately Post Divorce Domon Needs Space and runs off. As one does. And he runs to Earth because he just wants to Get Lost for a while.
He has Argo smuggle him out to avoid detection.
Argo has Andrew help stow Domon in a storage hanger of a Neo Canadian supply ship that's returning to the US - they have trade often enough and share agricultural resources - which leads to Domon ending up in New York when he hits Earthside pavement.
He's privately worked on his English the last couple of months and after being dropped in New York with a different hairstyle, outfit, and accent he's unrecognizable. 
He considers making his way west to get some solitude in the wilderness, but something about that initial plan feels off now that he's on the ground.
Chibodee is also Earthside for a special series of prize fights aimed at raising charitable appeal for the US in the eyes of Neo Americans.
Domon decides to hit up Chibodee for a fight on a day between matches hoping it'll clear his head and give him the clarity to decide on a course of action. What ends up happening is an unexpected heart to heart via blows and a breakdown.
Domon is happy for Rain and Kyoji, and he knows it's not true; but he feels like he lost a piece of himself when his relationship with Rain fell apart.
Domon's instinct is to run after that but Chibodee knows this city and Domon doesn't hide out for long before Chibodee drags him back to his place to stay and just "Chill out and breathe. You don't have to be anyone but yourself here. You can take as long as you need to find out what everything changing means for you." Friends and teammates stick together.
So Domon spends a few weeks with Chibodee sparring and hanging out in New York. Chibodee does a frankly awesome job at containing his feelings because he's focusing on Domons feelings and being a good friend first and foremost. Whatever he's feeling can wait until after Domon is done going though it.
There's a bit of a twinge in Domon's heart as he leaves that he can't really place.
After he returns to Neo Japan and gets settled back into life with his family, The Dreams start.
They're mainly set in New York. Small things first like noticing Chibodee's smile and his eyes. Then sparring sessions that begin to turn lurid.
He thought these kinds of dreams would stop after he was married.... he doesn't know what to do about this.
I just figure it gives more clarity and sense of time for the journey from Comphet Marriage Dissolution to Feelings to Confession. Idk.
But I got stuck on a bit and then had this thought and needed to get it down before I lost it and it was so long it made sense to make it its own post as opposed to several replies.
The Maize and Clown Motel will probably still be 3 years and change post canon for clarification.
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#Domon Kasshu/Chibodee Crocket#Royal Flush#Chibodee Crocket/Domon Kasshu#Royal Flush Haunted Honk AU#mobile fighter g gundam#I imagine he hasn't had time for a Big Gay Crisis yet but the time is absolutely now#Kyoji absolutely helps him through this crisis because he had a normal environment and university to figure his own shit out.#Kyoji has to figure out WHY Domon is imploding and explosive and avoiding everyone a second time though.#This doesn't seem related to the Divorce but it doesn't seem immediately obvious either. 🤔#Cue Schwarz FINALLY getting a fucking break and immediately coming to stay with Rain and Kyoji at their place.#Domon was aware that they had been living together in Neo Japan briefly before Schwarz was called back to Neo Germany for questioning#Once his rank was stripped of him he was back with Kyoji for a short period before the Divorce as part of Kyoji and Dr. Kasshu's study of#DG Cells. Once they had a breakthrough - Schwarz was sent abroad with a small military group and Doctors Without Borders group to assist#With immediate infection cases on behalf of Neo Japan as part of reparations. So Domon hadn't seen him in quite some time.#Domon certainly wasn't expecting to see him in the garden when he rounded the corner of the Mikamura residence#Leaned over Kyoji who appears to have been working outside on his laptop. Fingers intertwined a hand on Kyojis jaw and locked in a kiss.#Which ends pretty much instantly as they sense Domon and break apart. It occurs to Kyoji and Schwarz that Kyoji never#Got the chance to actually tell Domon much about himself and the man he'd grown into while Domon was training in Hong Kong with Master Asia#This might be a pretty significant shock to him.#I can't decide between Domon running from his Gay Revelation or IMMEDIATELY Losing His Shit at the thought of Rain's SECOND marriage ending#And knowing for sure now the reason why his and Rain's marriage didn't work out. He really does prefer men.#Bu HOW DARE Kyoji do this to her!!! She's been through enough!!!! This will HURT her SO BADLY!!! (Projection of guiiillllttt)#Back to square 1 fir a moment like damn#And once he starts fighting Kyoji about it (Thank God the ressurection gave them the option to make Kyojis new build similar to Schwarz's)#It comes out that Rain cant go through this AGAIN and he won't let him do this to her! Her honor means something to Domon#And it should mean something to Kyoji too as HER HUSBAND#Kyoji and Schwarz catch on the Again bit and Kyoji makes it clear that Rain has known about his situation with Schwarz since they returned#That they're quite literally inseparable and that Rain married him knowing this. She's fully aware and an active participant.#Domon takes a leg sweep and doesn't quite make his recovery as Schwarz steps in#Pinning his arms and one leg in place so he can't run from Kyojis question. Kyoji grabs Domon's hair to turn his head and asks
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kismetconstellations · 4 months ago
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Why is it trendy to cast Shiro as a police officer in Modern Day AUs, instead of, I don't know-- a honorably discharged veteran, an astronaut, an astronomer, an astrophysicist, or a pilot?
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akuma-tenshi · 5 months ago
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i'm still baffled about sterling's trailer. was it impossible for them to be like. slightly more clear about his intentions?? about his story?? you guys released a video that makes it seem like this guy is so obsessed with his sister he pushed her down the stairs, don't be surprised when people think you're doing some fuckshit with him!!!!
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thegreatyin · 6 months ago
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Oh wait did The Scoundrel change to she/her pronouns while I wasn't looking? Congrats on her (non bat kind) transition
the scoundrel uses any pronouns! always has ^w^ i just tend to default to it/its or they/them, just for simplicities sake
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dirtyoldmanhole · 9 months ago
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i think another reason why rev!route gunter/corrin specifically is so compelling to me - (how many are we on krad, 23?)
- is that you can very legitimately read it as the canon ship in revalation, specifically. yeah yeah yeah, his supports are greyed out, whatever (truthfuly doesn't even matter when you play the version with unlocked supports or use the in-game library).
it's the .... i hesitate to call it subtext when you've got whatever the hell is going on in ch25/ch26, ha. but more than that it's the symbolic, thematic, explicitly continuously layered importance of their dynamic. he's there in the very first scene with corrin, he's there in the very last scene, the gut-punches of scenes involve him or echo him somehow. the game very literally falls apart storytelling wise if you don't put gunter (+azura/arete/mikoto/anankos, all of who are honestly more my favorites than the playable cast) at the center, and i think that's a large part of why most folks bounced off of rev because it wasn't about the sibling royals.
see - my general otp archetype falls into the category of 'no way in hell would become canon' (too Weird with power dynamics, too kinky) -- with pretty much the sole exception of hellsing (integra/alucard).
and like, i'm a shipper for life. i don't have the time or energy or fucks to sit through 32453 episodes of a mediocre show or game or whatever just to settle with crumbs. i served my time there, these days i'd rather waste my time drawing/writing exactly the kind of Freak Ass Ship (and stories) i like and chilling in the corner feeling fed and oh so satisfied.
i honestly was not ever expecting my favorite game series to drop in with this kind of ship dynamic, but it did. and holy hell it stuck the landing.
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chronurgy · 2 months ago
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My sense is that early to mid story twists tend to be better received than late to end story twists but I'm not 100% certain of that
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rushthehollow · 3 months ago
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gonna maybe toss my 25 days of coasters onto here as well? for those who don't know it's just showing off your top 25 up until december 25th! the queue only has 4 more posts and i can just post it alongside i think. that's if i remember lmao. it can also give you guys an insight to my opinions and i'll try to talk about the ride i guess! and if you guys also want to hop on i'd love to reblog your posts or whatev :-)
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lemonberry-soda · 1 year ago
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me, looking at the cast of Hatchetfield characters: hmmm . . . what would make a good dead corpse for a Lord to possess . . . so many choices but no perfect fits . . .
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karinyosa · 1 year ago
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deciding between "first and middle name that are a differently gendered versions of my birth names" and "first and middle name that sound fuck all like my birth names" is actually a very difficult decision for me i'm realizing
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pocket-mobster · 1 year ago
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*that fuckin "is baby gronk the new rizz king" tiktok voice* Is Bluesky The New Furry Social Media Or Am I Just Following Too Many Furries On Twitter❔
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spring-lxcked · 2 years ago
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on a lighter note (plus i'm feeling a bit better) look at will's wardrobe section on his pint.erest board look at it look at it
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flarsanddanie · 2 years ago
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Maybe I'm just sensitive but didn't we all agree it's weird to ask people about scars? Stop doing that.
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yardsards · 1 year ago
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also a few people in the notes brought up:
it seems (from rough observation, not any surveys yet) that in general fandom culrure:
-a lot of characters that are commonly headcanoned as trans men are male in canon (ie the character transitioned years before canon)
-a lot of characters that are commonly headcanoned as trans women are... also male in canon (ie the character is still an egg/closeted)
and i think that raises a lot about 1: fandom's seeming inability to connect to characters that are female in canon 2: the differences in how people view trans men vs trans women and our transition processes
"he's a girl to me" isn't a substitution for ever giving a shit about female characters
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sky-cow0 · 12 days ago
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I saw a post where people complained about garbage bins hidden in cupboards. Seriously? You know that garbage stinks, right? In order to not stink up your house, your garbage should be covered. As soon as you add a lid, there is a step you have to take before throwing garbage away. Having a lid or having a cupboard to open are similar sized steps to get to the garbage. At that point it is a preference.
“It’s anti-poor to hide your garbage can”
No. It literally isn’t. Our garbage can is shoved under our sink without the expensive fancy pull out shelves. The only cost is the cost of the garbage can, which open top ones are cheaper than any ones with lids. Stop claiming your preference is morally superior. There is no morality in where you place your garbage can.
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itsalwaysdark · 21 days ago
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i do feel bad bc when i talk abt myself i mostly use he or she even though it is also one of my pronouns i just get kind of embarassed which is bad of me . apologies
#i dont use it irl i only rly use he irl i guess#unless im being misgendered and then its she. which yes she is one of my pronouns but irl i dont rly let my family use it for me i tell them#im a binary trans guy DJNTJFNF bc likeee. ive talked abt this before#but if like my dad calls me a girl hes not doing that to like. respect me. its bc he sees me as a girl he sees me as his daughter yk. and im#not like im a girl but im his son. bc its not like. you know#its the same way i stopped going by they/them bc my mom only used they/them for me. if i gave them the option i worry theyd only call me#she/her and id know its because they just see me as a girl#they dont misgender me rly theyre mostly good abt it#i cant rly think of any times they do they always call me connor and everything. even my extended family im rly very lucky#but yeah. i worry it seems like im just trying to be a victim abt something since i literally Am a woman and use she/her i just umm..i hope#it makes sense . but anyways i dont use it/its at all irl and i only started using it/its after i stopped rly talking to anyone online#so its never rly been used for me afaik. bc idt anybody talks to me#but ya. it was my preferred for a while when i was ummm. how i was. but idk anymore now its kind of a tossup all 3 r fine#but i feel like i default to he and she for myself bc im not rly used to its at all. OH WELL!#i feel ppl mostly default to he though. irl for obvious reasons and again i dont rly ever see anyone talking to me online bc i dont avtually#talk to anybody anymore sorry . shy. but in the made up world im making up you all use hehim for me FJFNJGNGJGNG. literally just imaginary.#ill do a polllll hold on
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