#what does it benefit mia if you take that layer away lol. how does that enrich her story at all
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god ppl trying to claim jasons "we're the not so different you and i" villain speech to mia WASNT incredibly unsubtle subtext... that they went through the same trauma... like he says theyre alike. she says he knows nothing about her. he lists what he knows. and then he repeats that they're alike.
that's only barely subtext and not text itself, man. trying to argue that isn't the intention that jason was also a csa victim is just willful misreading at that point
#also i love it when ppl only ever bring up mia when they want to shit on jason#and very transparently pretend to care about her and be Very Angry about all the traits that jason ~stole from her#conveniently ignoring that winick (who liked exploring the connections btwn bats and arrows) actually tweaked mias backstory 2 make it more+#like jasons (adding in the homelessness vs smiths version which was the less sensationalized familial trafficking)#because... get this... the characters were canonically in conversation with each other... the text explores what they have in common...#yknow. like stories do.#almost as if that was why jason was IN MIAS STORY IN THE FIRST PLACE#ALMOST AS IF JASON WAS THERE FOR HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND#WHAT DOES IT DO FOR MIAS CHARACTER IF YOU PRETEND THAT SUBTEXT ISNT THERE?#the whole reason he could get under her skin the way he did was because of what they had in common. thats why shes so rattled#what does it benefit mia if you take that layer away lol. how does that enrich her story at all#trick question none of these ppl have given mia a single thought in their fucking lives
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#also i love it when ppl only ever bring up mia when they want to shit on jason #and very transparently pretend to care about her and be Very Angry about all the traits that jason ~stole from her #conveniently ignoring that winick (who liked exploring the connections btwn bats and arrows) actually tweaked mias backstory 2 make it more+ #like jasons (adding in the homelessness vs smiths version which was the less sensationalized familial trafficking)
#because... get this... the characters were canonically in conversation with each other... the text explores what they have in common... #yknow. like stories do. #almost as if that was why jason was IN MIAS STORY IN THE FIRST PLACE #ALMOST AS IF JASON WAS THERE FOR HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND #WHAT DOES IT DO FOR MIAS CHARACTER IF YOU PRETEND THAT SUBTEXT ISNT THERE?
#the whole reason he could get under her skin the way he did was because of what they had in common. thats why shes so rattled #what does it benefit mia if you take that layer away lol. how does that enrich her story at all #trick question none of these ppl have given mia a single thought in their fucking lives [tags via OP, bolding mine]
god ppl trying to claim jasons "we're the not so different you and i" villain speech to mia WASNT incredibly unsubtle subtext... that they went through the same trauma... like he says theyre alike. she says he knows nothing about her. he lists what he knows. and then he repeats that they're alike.
that's only barely subtext and not text itself, man. trying to argue that isn't the intention that jason was also a csa victim is just willful misreading at that point
#comics meta#CSA in fiction#Mia Dearden#Speedy#Jason Todd#Red Hood#Batfam#Arrowfam#the 'stealing' thing drives me up the wall#like wow sorry in the world of comic book superheroes and vigilantes#I didn't realize there was a NO SIMILARITIES ALLOWED rule!!!#like come the fuck on guys#this post reminded me to go actually look up the timelines on wikipedia we know Jason's had the street kid backstory since the 1980's#Mia's introduced in 2001 and her HIV status is established in 2004#DC tested the waters with returning Jason in the Hush arc in 2003 and brought him back for sure in Under the Red Hood 2005#Winick gave Mia the HIV storyline and wrote Jason's return in UtRH so like uuuuuuuuuh how is this remotely 'stealing'#because the writer who was working on both of them happened to get to Mia's storyline first? while he was probably actively drafting UtRH?#as someone who enjoys character parallels I am baffled and annoyed by fandom treating this shit as a zero sum game#do you think they're going to run out of backstory???#DC
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