#we don't know how hellborn aging works

[allastoredeer]

It's hard being a fan of a popular ship like RadioApple because there's so much great art but some fans of popular, relatively wholesome ships can be awful to other shippers. It's a bit nerve-wracking looking at a new artist's page and expecting to be on their DNI. I wouldn't even say my other ships are *that dark* (RadioStatic, RadioBelle, FallenWings), but being around those people is like walking on eggshells.

Any ship can be dark if you try hard enough 👁️👁️

I can understand people being icked out by certain ships, that's totally fair. We all have our icks. But, idk, going after people who ship something you dislike?

It's like, bro just block them and move on. You don't have to let them know how much you hate the pairing, no one cares, it does not matter.

And I squint at people who automatically assume RadioBelle is dark 😑 Like, maybe they're just being silly goofy. Have you considered that? Maybe they're just being crazy and having a jolly good time.

[radioisntdead]

I don't know if you do parental asks, but if you do, could you bless me eyes by writing a father Alastor and child!reader who is a toy/doll demon? Reader is hyperactive but very clumsy so Alastor always has to keep an eye on her so she doesn't hurt herself and sometimes he resorts to having one of his shadows watching over her if he's busy. Reader is small so they always seem to get stuck in cabinets or closet, which scares the hotel residents when they see Reader in a random place. [Not me trying to cure my daddy issues] 😂😂

Good evening my dear! I've been expecting someone to request a parental Alastor, [No seriously I have, I had a feeling someone was gonna request it, it was only a matter of time] I'VE BEEN READY FOR THIS, Not to mention I'm related to a hyperactive child so taking inspo from that! (Please help me he bites)

Father! Alastor & child! Reader

Platonic, obviously.

Warnings!!!

Fanon, I'm going fanon for this, mild cannibalism, feral, reader is based off a porcelain doll but I am TERRIFIED of porcelain dolls, anyways feral reader, injuries etc etc Alastor scooped reader up from the side of the street, I like how I've had every parental hazbin character with a child figure reader just scoop them off the street, I should draw that later

No one knows how exactly how you ended up below, it was theorized that there was probably a mix-up or maybe you were one of those deranged child serial killers or maybe you WERE hellborn that just aged really slow, like concerningly slow, but from some of the things you say it was suspected you were indeed a sinner.

Anyways that's up to you to figure out, but what we do know is that Alastor stumbled upon you absolutely tearing apart a grown sinner in some alleyway, despite looking like a porcelain doll that could break if dropped on carpet, the radio static coming from him caught your attention,

And then you saw those big fluffy ears that sat on the top of his head, you ran towards him with the speed of a feral child, because you were, infact a feral child

"Fluffy!"

You immediately climbed onto him, little hands clinging onto the fabric of his suit before finally reaching for his ears,

He didn't even get a chance to get away from you. With a strained smile he grabbed you off him, and held you up as he inspected you, observing your appearance,

"How peculiar, don't do that."

He said as you continued reaching for his fluffy ears.

And that had sealed his fate, he could NOT get rid of you,

He left you back in that alley he found you? You showed up again two minutes later, he sent you into the Vee's tower? You are the reason Valentino has a messed up antenna.

Alastor became a father against his will, and honestly it could've been worse, you were a decently chaotic child, that would either follow him around or when in the hotel would climb up his back and play with his fluffy ears while maniacally whispering

"fluffy, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy"

"Dear, please get off me."

Your skin was covered in a light porcelain coating, like thin wax covering soft clay, If thrown harshly against something you could crack and bleed, it wouldn't make that much of a sound.

you were very much a fragile thing and as your reluctant caretaker Alastor made sure that you stayed out of trouble, safe and sound, and away from any sharp objects.

Unfortunately you were hellbent on getting into mischief, especially in the hotel where there were many things you could get into, like behind the bar where husk worked, He took a five minute break to grab something to eat and you had managed to slip yourself behind several bottles inside the cabinet, one wrong move and they all fall to the ground and shatter with the alcoholic beverages inside them,

He had to take out twenty bottles, place them on the counter then take you out, gently place you on the ground then put all the bottles back, it was a hassle, not to mention you had a thing for fluffy things, Husk was NOT an exception, if he wasn't paying attention you would claw your way up his back like a feral mongoose and just gently pet his ears while mumbling "Kitty cat, kitty cat kitty cat kitty ca-"

You got along well with Niffty, she was like a sadistic older sister but it was decided that she was a bad influence on you so whenever you're near her it needs to be supervised by someone.

You give Charlie mini heart attacks because either you'll be the sweetest little thing towards her, you'll draw with her, call her 'Big sister Charlie' or something like that and you will have her wrapped around your little fingers, or you'll be a source of stress because your playing on the railing and oops! Your falling twelve feet to the ground and she's rushing over to catch you, and after she catches you, probably breaking something in the process you just give her the biggest smile as you hug her saying she caught you, you've also terrified her and Vaggie more then once by hiding underneath their bed and popping out at the worst of times with confetti or something.

Speaking of Vaggie you had a similar relationship but she was more strict in a way, she has a soft spot for kids and she keeps an eye on you, she'll teach you how to spar as an attempt to burn any excess energy you have, she'll go for a run and take you with her, she'll have you on one of those child leashes because you can, will and have run into the road and almost got taken out, respawning was a very very painful process, it was like getting ripped apart, turned inside out, twisted and turned back out and put together again, there's a reason it can take time for a sinner to respawn.

A child like you should never have to deal with that, and Vaggie, while she can't respawn she understands and will prevent you from having too, Alastor may not like her all that much (Or at all) but she's proven to be a decent babysitter.

Sir Pentious was like a goofy older brother or that dork of a cousin, he'd probably invent something to entertain you or he'd read to you, you scare eggs out of him when he's working on something and BAM you pop up out of nowhere, the majority of the eggs were fearful of you too.

"uh, can you not bite me?" A egg asked as your unhinged jaw munched on him, slowly tearing away until he eventually cracked leaving you to run away from the yolk covered crime scene.

[He's the first person you go to when you are redeemed, a familiar face is what you need in an unknown place where you should've gone in the first place, the halo on your head makes him cry, you made it with him but that more then likely means you perished like he did]

Angel dust was no different from the others, he tones his language down a bunch but he's still Angel dust, a inappropriate joke can and will slip through the cracks but he doesn't mean any harm, he just panics and tells you not to tell your Pa, giving you some child-safe candy in return and if your running around like a manic Niffty he'll pick you up and try to find the more responsible residents, or you'd tug on his fluff, he was one of the fluffiest residents and that made him, a major target for your lil' grabby hands, if you ever want a snack your not supposed to have he'll give it to you, you want ice cream? Sure knock yourself out kid, He reminded you of someone you knew once.

What did they look like again? You couldn't remember..

When Alastor steps out of the hotel to go to a overlord meeting or whatever he does and no one is available to watch you, he'll have his shadows watch over you,

His shadows need a pay raise.

"I'll be back in a few hours, be good dear!" Alastor said patting you lightly on the head as you grinned up at him,

"Alrighty! Bye Papa!"

You wave as he leaves, as the door closes you turn around and wander around the hotel, everyone was busy preparing for something, you didn't quite know what yet though, but you were left to your own devices today! You ran up and down the staircases, you got a laundry basket and used it as a makeshift snowboard on the staircase which Alastor's shadow had to make sure it didn't fling up into the air, you jumped off a counter his shadow grabbed the collar of your shirt to stop you from face planting.

You eventually get bored of playing around and try to find Niffty to ask if she could make you something to eat but the hotel's resident housekeeper is nowhere to be found, so you enter the kitchen and it is a DANGER ZONE, you knew not to touch the stove or the sharp knives thankfully but that didn't stop you from dragging over a chair to climb up into the cabinet to grab a plate, a few cups falling in the process but the shadow caught them before they could shatter into the floor, You hopped down from the chair to get a tortilla, the shadow stood next to you ready to grab you if needed, you waddled over to the refrigerator and took out a pack of bacon bites and sour cream, you acquired a plastic knife to spread the sour cream onto the tortilla, sprinkling some bacon bits after before rolling it up and placing it onto the plate.

You grinned at your snack, this is what defined your childhood, you turn back to the refrigerator to grab a juicebox before taking the plate and booking it back into the main room of the hotel.

You sneakily made your way to the TV and looked around, you gave the shadow a 'shh' motion as you turned on the tv to vintage cartoons, like Popeye, Betty boop or if you were lucky to access more modern cartoons, you could watch Scooby doo!

This was the time Alastor's shadow could rest from protecting you, so it wouldn't snitch to Alastor about your consumption of cartoons.

It wished you would watch more cartoons because after your snack you were dangling from the chandelier! You didn't know how you even got up there?!

When Alastor finally returned from wherever he was you immediately ran, tackling the Radio demon in a hug, Alastor's smile tightened slightly but he bared with it, you were just an excited child that he cared for, like a pet.

"I take it you were behaved while I was away?"

You nodded, "Yep!"

The shadow would say otherwise because you were HANGING FROM THE CHANDELIER FOR AN HOUR, They had to lurk around in case you fell, which you did, Thankfully they didn't have to catch you, because Charlie had emerged at the right time to catch you as you dropped from the chandelier.

But Alastor didn't need to know that right now, he'll find out on his own when he's making dinner and he goes to check on you to see you dangling from the chandelier again with Angel and Husk scrambling beneath trying to catch you if you were to slip and fall.

"Aren't you a little troublemaker?" He would say as he snapped his fingers and you were brought down from the chandelier, safe and sound, he'd bring a clawed hand to your face as he gently pitched your check, tutting like a old lady before turning around and bringing you to assist him in the kitchen and give huskerdust a break.

Alastor didn't see himself ever having a child before you, and he could see you growing into a powerful overlord one day, he'd be there to guide you as you grew, you would've grown up loved, watching as sinners entered the hotel and left as saints,

For now you were standing behind him in the kitchen carefully mixing rolling out some type of dough as music played from the radio and you told your Papa about your day.

Once the dough was rolled out and cut Alastor pat your head saying that you did a good job before moving to dip the dough into hot oil, as you watched, a tentacle holding the back of your 1930's themed attire making sure you didn't dive into the oil by accident.

Within the hour you were sat at a table with freshly made beignets Infront of you,

"Enjoy!"

"Thank you Papa!"

You said before digging into one of the beignets as Alastor smiled per usual, it was a nice treat, you liked moments like these, you hoped you could stay in the hazbin hotel with it's residents and your Papa forever, they were your family and family stays together right?

Good evening folks! Thank you for tuning in! I was supposed to post this last night but I passed out, and We may be adopting a dog soon! I'm not using that as an excuse I'm just excited, anyways I'm working on requests, part twos and all that good stuff! Tune on in for that later on!

Also I may have added sprinkles of angst here but we don't talk about that =]

[davekat-sucks]

lute x adam is better than davekat and chaggie. they both sound killer singing together.

also just like wish's "villain", I find no fault in adam's reasoning, sinners such as rapists and pedos should be eradicated. i dont give a fuck about how apparently there are random kids in hell to emotionally manipulate the audience, for all we know that could be a grown ass man pretending to be a kid, and maybe that could have been more interesting: to see a hell's citizen take advantage of vaggie's kindness. it'd explain her trust issues & lute's bizarre reaction to actual mercy.

whats up with modern shows/films these days and their weird morals...

Adam x Lute is better than Davekat and Chaggie. Funny enough, Vivziepop confirmed that pedophiles, Nazis, and racists are already wiped out after they died. Like, human pedophiles/Nazis/racists who die, don't go to hell, limbo, purgatory, or heaven. They just get erased from existence. Angels have nothing to do with it. The Hazbin/Helluva universe already does its work. Of course, imps and hellborn creatures like hellhounds or the Sin ringleaders, can still be pedophiles, Nazis, and racists. But they are exempt from extermination. So the only sinners that do get sent to Hell to just do the same old shit would be murderers, con artists, human traffickers, rapists, and those who commit slavery, are still around. Which makes me question where does child murderers or those who lead child human trafficking and slavery fall in. Do they get wiped out from existence too if they didn't touch the child in that way? Do they get wiped out from existence for harming a young soul? Or do they get straight sent to Hell because murder is bad, regardless of age? Probably doesn't help that Heaven already admitted they don't know the requirements of people getting into Heaven, so it's a mystery on who is even checking since apparently at this point, even innocent souls who likely died of accident or bad circumstances, get sent to Hell regardless. It probably will be answered later on by some bullshit means, but it raises more questions on when in point did that become a thing. People pointed out that Angel Dust's sister, MOLLY, is there. What point in time Heaven allowed others to get in before it all changed with the extermination? Does even something small as when you were a kid stealing from the cookie jar, count as a major sin to be sent straight to Hell and that's why the child is sent in? Who the fuck knows. Maybe it will get answered in finale. Maybe they will hold it off for season 2 since it is confirmed and they are already recording the lines as we speak. I think the reason for these weird morals in recent modern media, just only goes for the straight black-white mortality, but hide it differently in these recent times as an act of justice that we won't make the same mistakes like we did in the past. Unfortunately, they are but are too ignorant to see it. Also in the case of how Hazbin Hotel is presenting with its rushed pacing, people, audiences and creators, would rather get to the heart of the matter fast and immediately than to build it up on how to get there. Why the fuck should we know about Camille and her backstory when all that matters is that she is a protective mother and that's it? No need to build up sustenance, all it matters is just the emotional factor to pull at your heartstrings for one moment like a quick sugar rush. No need to show the slow burn romance of why Vaggie likes Charlie. All it matters that she is now cute lesbians with her and its a good rep for LGBT. TL;DR of that is people are impatient.

[sketchfanda]

A Little Moxxie Love: Getting Peg’d!!

One of these days Moxxie knew he was going to have write up a complaint and he was damn well sure he wasn't the only demon in hell, be they Imp, Hellhound or what have that was sick and tired of this. Satan, Lucifer or whoever in all the 9 circles and in the human world had made things way too complicated with all this malarkey regarding summoning rituals and spells. How was any hellborn supposed to go about their day and business without suddenly finding themselves in the living world because some college girls wanted some easy shits and giggles or something? granted in his case it hadn't helped he was still reeling from a recent case of summoning involving one very horny gothic size queen slut bimbo Satanist.....it took him days to recover.

But that little digression aside as we come to our resident favourite little possum imp boi having once again found himself called up to the living world more out nowhere than a Diamond Cutter (yeah that's right Orton fanboys, come at me!!). He seriously had to wonder where people in the living world were even getting the means to call up some of hell’s denizens, let alone himself of all imps and yet here he was. Called up by some kid called Pistol, her brother and his friends and why? Well besides the fact that said brother had come across the ritual on the internet (because of course what couldn't you find online these days), the reason being was that they needed a small favour from the imp.

The favour in question was if he could take their mom out....no not like his usual assassination work for I.M.P, as in like on an actual date. It seemed that Pistol and PJ (that was the brother's name) had felt their mother had been in a bit of a slump since divorcing her husband, but really who could blame her after that bloated gasbag of a used car salesman up and left her for a younger woman?!! Now Moxxie wasn't certainly any kind of gigolo, mind you (but to Millie and the other ladies in his life? He damn sure as hell was quite the lover) but he was a gentleman by nature and his dear mama, rest her soul, had taught him as such. Besides which he couldn't exactly go back to Hell until he'd fullfilled the requirements of his summons.

So of course here he was entering some quite little classy Bar and Restaraunt in Spoonerville on his way to meet his "target" for lack of a better word. All he had to do, according to PJ and Pistol, was show up, get to know her a little then wine and dine her. Boost her confidence and make her feel like she's still a catch, simple as that and honestly he couldn't see any problem with that. After all Millie pretty much set him up on ocassions and meetings like this plenty of times back home.

Don't ask, his wife was just kinky as all fuck like that, really it was one of those quirks he loved about her, wild and exhausting as it could be. One quick mirror check as he adjusted his adorable little bow tie and the imp (not a possum, thank you) was making his way to the bar where he found Peg sitting and waiting. Looking like she’d rather be anywhere else but where she currently was right now but damn if she didn’t at least put in the effort to look more than presentable. If anything she looked damn good as Moxxie got her attention by taking the seat next to hers.

Peg:*quirked a brow as she eyed Moxxie with a mix of puzzlement, no doubt curious. Then again it wasn’t often Spoonerville had imps or any denizen of bell in their neck of the woods after all.*”Ah well far as blind dates go….you’re rather easy on the eyes at least. So stranger, what part of the line world my kids dredge you up from?” *the divorcee remarked with a slight snark in her tone, playful and amused somewhat. Resting her head ion her palm as she leaned an elbow on the bar, sensually crossing her long, toned legs together.*

Moxxie:*a bit stunned seeing Peg up close, given she’d aged like a fine wine and compared to the picture she was shown with how she made herself look for this little get together, he was a bit speechless. Before he shook his head a bit, getting his wits together answered her.* “Oh hmm uh well nowhere in particular, just the south. The Deep South….”*Oh if he could call a hole to open uop and take him back to hell right now, cringing at the obvious bad joke. Peg staring at him like he suddenly grew two heads that told her cats were dogs and Christmas was in July.*

Peg:*couldn’t help but blurt and let out a playful laugh, she wasn’t sure why that joke was funny when the punchline made no sense, assuming it was a joke. Seeing Moxxie smile with relief as she calmed down, now seeming like she could get a bit more into this casual date.* “So stud, buy a lady a drink?”*Of course a little liquid courage and a touch of the Irish would certainly help to lighten the mood. And this little guy seemed to know his way around a woman.*

Moxxie:*Looked to the bartender as he signalled for two drinks. A simp,e beer for himself and whatever the lady was wanting of course as he placed some money on the counter. Good thing he had some living wood, currency for necessary occasions. Looking to make small talk with the MILF as they waited to be served.* “So come here often?”

Seconds passed into minutes which made their way into an hour tax the imp and single mom chatted away back and forth. Moxxie of course as always was winning her over with that natural charm of his, which for Peg made it easy to trust him and let down her guard and open up. Of course the booze was definitely helping in that regard as she found her filter cut loose and made the time and opportunity to vent. Mainly about what could’ve been and what and how she really felt her ex-husband.

Peg:*slightly red faced as she sipped on her latest drink, tipsy and oh so vocal.*”And oh of course, I sold houses but him? He felt he was the bone bringing in the big bucks with all his crappy used cars and RVs the blowhard!! And don’t get me started on the sex!! Consider it a miracle the tub of lard even gave me two kids!!”*the surly milf spat, hiccuping slightly. Moxxie of course just sitting there as he listened, idly nursing his own drink and meal. Peg wasn’t the first dunk lady he’s entertained and been a confidante for, lushes were nothing new to him.*

Moxxie:”So I gather….”*Making a gesture for her to continue and go on. As he looked to the bartended and signalled a refill for her to which the the dude obliged. Not questioning the how and why of Moxxie’s odd appearance, after all the guy was a very generous tipper. And title was intriguing to see this scene play out.*

Peg:*Chugged down her current glass with a swift swig, placing it down as she grasped the newest and freshest drink. A quick sip as she continued her ranting.* “I’ll say this, i could’ve been getting it good with my next door neighbour since high school! And I know that Goof is packing, he remarried you know!! And she is a hottie!! Lucky gal, I can hear them at night!! You know you kind of remind me of him in some ways….”*The divorcee stopped her liquor fuelled verbal tirade as she looked Moxxie over once more. If as giving herself a second opinion compared to her early first impression, silently humming as her booze addled brain worked its way through her inhibitions.*

Moxxie:*Quirked a brow at Peg’s sudden silence, confused and concerned.*”Uhm ms.Peg? You alright there?”*The imp suddenly found Peg grab him by his collar and bow tie, pulling him towards her as she pressed her lips to kiss. A deep, passionate kiss filled with days, weeks to months of god knows how much want and desire. Not just from her divorce but years of pent up unsatisfied carnal needs from a sham of a marriage.*

The bartender as well as some onlooking patrons and waiting staff couldn’t help but stare wide eyed with shock and fascination as Peg deepened the liplock between her and Moxxie. The divorcee clearly using a lot of tongue as her free hand caressed his Snow White hair and those curled striped horns, moaning as she memorised his taste. Soon breaking for air as a trailing stand of saliva broke between them, looking at the stunned imp’s glowing golden eyes, her gaze half lidded and sultry, burning with lust. Panting wantonly as the dam burst inside of her, arousal coursing through her very being.

Peg:*Cupped Moxxie’s face, caressing with her thumbs as if wanting to make sure this wasn’t some dream or mirage, making sure he wouldn’t disappear. Leaning in close as she whispered to him, lips inches away from kissing his once again, feeling like she could taste something exotic. As if kissing him was like kissing any and every other woman he’s been with. It just seemed to awaken Something within her.*”No more talk…..me, you, my place, now.”

Moxxie:*Despite feeling like a mouse cornered by a hungry cat, this wasn’t his first rodeo. After a woman jn this state was never too fucked to drink and she was never too drunk to fuck, as Verosika would say. Looking to the bartender as he held up a hand, tone direct and no nonsense.* “Check please…..”*After all it was best not to keep a lady in the moood waiting too long.*

A quick taxi cab back to her place and Peg was all over the imp, making out with him with a lusty thirst that out even the most hormone addled teenager to shame. The single mom quite impressed at a little show of strength as he carried her all the way into the house and up the stairs to her bedroom. Which only served to further turn Peg on as Moxxie placed her on the bed, ceasing their make out as he made moves to start takin off her dress. Only for Peg to halt him as she pressed a finger to his lips, sensually shushing him as she made him sit on the edge of the mattress.

Peg:*smiling with literal and figurative drunk lust as she slid off to kneel on the floor, kissing Moxxie as she began to undress him. His shirt, coat and bow tie going and his pants following as she made to remove the last obstacle in her way. That being His boxers as as she grasped the waistband and tugged them down and gasped as his big red alpha imp cock sprung forth to embrace the freedom of the open air.*”Oh….my…fucking god…handsome where have you been all my life?” *The pent-up milf remarked with lusty admiration as she grasped and began to stroke his shaft in her hand, in awe of such length and girth.*

Moxxie:*pants and shudders as he found Peg begin to plant licks and kisses on his cock. Her thirst and hunger for a good, hard fuck showing through as she latched her lips around the shaft sn began to perform a powersuck blowjob.* “Oh I’d say still pretty much the Deep South….”*Not a total lie, after all Hell was about as Deep South as you could get, as he felt a rush of pleasure sure along his spine as he felt Peg suck and blow on his cock. The milf practically willing to suffocate attempting to deepthroat him as god knows how much unscratched itches for her carnal needs made themselves known.*

it wasn’t surprising thst Peg was eventually naked as well, her wanton desires being sated in ways she never imagined as Moxxie managed to change them up from getting fellatio from her to eating her out. His long and skilled imp tongue plunging away as it worked her slit over, making her toes curl and her spine tingle, arching her back as she grasped this horns of his. The bedroom echoing with her deep moans of bliss as she felt herself taken to new heights of ecstasy she never thought or imagined possible. So thankful PJ and pistol weren’t in the house right now because no way would they be getting sleep this evening!!

Thiugh the same wasn’t going to be said for the rest of the neighbour hood that was for damn sure, as Peg soon experienced first hand what a select few women in hell and the living world knew. As good as Moxxie’s foreplay game was, his skill at using that length and girth of his was a whole different and erotically exciting thing altogether!! Her bedroom now being filled with the heavy thuds and creaks of bed springs and the echoes of skin slapping, pussy hammering, primal rhythm of a woman having the best fuck of her life! And every single horny slut in Spoonerville was going to know it!!

Peg:”Ooooh fuck oh god fuck me oh fuck me you little red Casanova!! Fuck me like you’re gonna put a baby in me!!”*The divorcee hollered as Moxxie fucked in a part way between a mating press and a missionary position. One of her luscious legs draped around his waist, the other pushed back until her ankle was beside her head, hands grasping the bed frame for dear life. As the imp pumped and thrust his cock like a jackhammer, her stomach bulging as it indicated how deep his penetration reached. And she loved it, nevermind the fact she was experiencing orgasms non stop from the moment he went down on her.*

Moxxie:”Why any man would divorce you is beyond me…”*The alpha imp gentleman quipped, kissing and licking along Peg’s neck and shoulder as he took the milf in a prone bone postion. Pelvis hammering against her jiggling, bubble butt with meaty claps as Peg was gripping and biting the sheets. As if Moxxie hadn’t been just making work of moulding the walls of her pussy to the shape of his cock, he was breaking her mind with her first real experience at anal. And she fucking loved every second of it, that fat lardball blowhard shallow ex-husband of hers would never have had the cajones to even rim her!!*

What was more exciting for Peg was she didn’t even care about the fact Moxxie was doing her raw, after all why deprive such an amazing cock the thrill of cumming inside her? The rush as his White hot baby batter would erupt and flow into her womb flooding her brain with mind numbing, spine tingling pleasure as this alpha male proceeded to out her ex to shame and then some!! Especially when he hasn’t yet gone soft despite the amount of times he had cum so far, it was like this stud had the staying power and stamina of a sex god, porn stars weren’t even this good!! And she was loving every fucking moment of it!!

Any passers by or neighbours couldn’t help but eavesdrop and overhear Peg’s lusty wanton screams of passion and cries throughout the night. Howls and remarks like “Ooh daddy don’t stop!”, “Aaahn 7 times and you haven’t pulled out?!”, “destroy me you short king! Make me your bitch!!” among other such lewd obscenities made women blush and make waterfalls between their legs wondering what sort of absolute unit could make Peg Pete feel such pleasure. Some like Sylvia next door got so riled and worked up that they pounced their respective lovers to scratch their own itch, such was how contagious and infectious Peg’s state of horniness was. Not that either Peg or her imp stallion knew or realised it as they were still busy going at it long into the night.

Minutes passing into hours as every climax made Peg forget about spiting her ex, just forget about him in general as Moxxie rocked her sexual world. Cowgirl in forward and reverse, doggy style, seated lotus, spread eagle, anal and oral but ooh she couldn’t get enough of whenever he fucked her pussy with that dick of his. The bedroom was becoming a scene like a wrecking crew had passed through it, the bed demolished with the sheets stained with a mix of sweat and sex juices. The walls and the windows baring telltale signs of body imprint marks as Peg found herself unknowingly joining quite a distinct and illustrious club of women who share a deep affection and love for the sweet little imp boi as he continued to shower her with infernal pornographic pleasure.

Such pleasure that continued even into sunrise, until finally laying together in what remained of the bed by noon, Peg wearing a blissful and contented smile as Moxxie spooned her. Basking in the afterglow with no doubt plans to continue right where they left off soon as they recovered and regained their energy, possibly starting off with a hot steamy shower together. To call that blind date a success was an understatement as Peg wasted no time in wanting a second date which had pretty much been a week long marathon fuck session. Followed by the two parting in very affectionate terms and exchanging numbers which lewd to some details revealed that made Peg realise the meaning behind that Deep South joke, not that she was complaining mind you.

Suffice to say, Pj and Pistol had found themselves getting quite a generous increase in their allowances and Peg of course now found her personal planner being marked with dates for when she’d feel the need for her new favourite little imp to come on by and see if maybe this time around he’d rut her enough thst it was guaranteed she’d have a baby. The newly imped Milf humming sensually as she showered, stealthfully playing with herself thinking of the next fuckathon to look forward to with Moxxie as she stepped out to dry and style herself off. Brushing and blow drying as she shot a deadpan side glare at the lens of the camera being wielded by the private investigator spying on her, no doubt being paid by Pete to check and see if she was missing him. To which she flipped the bird sand felt the wheels turn in her head as to how to really spice things up with her favourite little imp….ooh this was going to be fun…

To be continued? We will see

[teeth-cable]

So if you want a prime example of questionable/shitty worldbuilding in the early Hazbin days: the entire concept of the Charlie comic.

So basically it was going to be set in Charlie's high school years which creates several issues.

1. Charlie was over 200 in the Hazbin pilot so that brings up an issue how long Charlie was in school and the education system.

2. It had to have been recent because Vaggie was going to make an appearance which....

3. Since its obvious Sinners don't age physically from their death date and Vaggie's design concept was shown at the same time as Helsa and Charlie's high school looks that due to lack of information implies Vaggie is high school age, which yes you can say everyone is 18 but its confusing as hell because if Vaggie is a sinner why is she in what I would assume would be a prestigious school/why is she in school in the first place? or... Vaggie and Charlie's relationship has some SUPER fucked aspects.

4. And we don't even know how aging works for Hellborns in general because like Paimon I fucking doubt is 50 but Vivzie could surprise us like she did with Stolas. Like how old are the deadly princes? Where are the ancient ass grandpa elder demons? Do demons choose when to stop aging? Is Lilith counted as a demon or human either way her age is questionable in that regard.

I'm getting a headache from how bad this world building is. So first knowing Viv, she will make the school system just like the one in America and that is another worldbuilding nightmare. Assuming Hellborns aged differently from humans, have a different history and culture from them, and will learn different subjects, it doesn't make sense to write Hazbin's schools in a traditional school system.

Second, no way in Hell would a sinner get into a Hell school especially if it's a prestigious one for Hellborn royalty. Viv said kids can't go to Hell so you have to die as an adult to be in Hell. So either Vaggie is lying about her age to attend this school or she is a possible teacher working there??? This feels such an inorganic way for Vaggie and Charile to meet each other. Like what purpose does Vaggie have to be there and with the implication of an adult Vaggie meeting a teenager Charlie in high school, I rather have them meet somewhere else where Charlie is also an adult.

Viv made a tweet about this idea back in 2019 so she had this idea for a long time now and didn't see the problematic elements or how it causes more questions than answers for the world building.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Paimon was actually 50 because Viv confirmed Stolas was 30 despite him being the ancient prince of Hell. Honestly I don't bother with the aging for Hellborns because that is a nightmare of it's own to figure out. Both Hazbin and Helluva are filled with so many creative lore and worldbuilding concepts that the writers keep ruining due to their laziness. Instead of writing Hell as it's own setting, they write it as a Red Earth 2.0. I know Hazbin’s thing with redemption is strongly tied in with Hell and Heaven but I rather take a boring show about redemption set on Earth than a terrible demon show about redemption set in Hell where the worldbuilding has potential but the writers fail to execute it properly.

[madefate]

so, like, why clowning ?

some worldbuilding headcanons about imps & clowning ! cw for mentions of classism ( fantasy, but still ) that also borders on racism ( fantasy but STILL and i'm trying not to touch that as much as i can ).

let's get out of the way that viv just seems to really love a good circus theme - like, yeah, okay, it's everywhere. we can understand that as an aesthetic choice, and then dig into why it's interesting and honestly, why it fits! because it does fit.

o1. wow, it's brutal out here.

hell is not kind to imps. it's explicitly in the text of the show that imps are not well respected or privileged within hell, and widely held that they actively hold the position of the bottom of the social ladder. specifically, we know that economically there's very little room for mobility - see, striker's it's rare to see an imp start their own business. we also see the assumptions and prejudice faced outside of wrath, see the waiting room scene in western energy, and striker's monologue about hard lives in the same episode.

entertainment in general is not a vein that is even particularly conducive for imps, just one where they can succeed. the most famous performers that we see in the hellaverse are angel, a mortal sinner, vox and alastor, mortal overlords, verosika, a hellborn succubus, and ozzie and mammon themselves, deadly sins. even the performers at mammon's contest aren't exclusively imps - most of them are just another form of hellborn, and the glam sisters in particular seem to come from envy and have money behind them.

fizz is unequivocally the most famous imp performer, and most famous imp in general, that we see. even in the flashbacks, the buckzo circus was billed as the all imp circus - indicating that it's not a common practice.

given how hard it is to find a foothold in economic and social mobility, it makes sense that the one venue we do see it in, performing, is extremely important.

o2. i've ( don't ) got the magic

thus far, imps and hellhounds are the only beings in hell that we've seen without any access to magic. even sinners are granted some inherent power and we see that increase dramatically if they gain power as an overlord. it is, simply put, hard to stand out in a world where some people can snap their fingers and conjure up the most incredible displays, or even just neatly get the job done.

a lot of the social / economic mobility we see for imps comes from their willingness to put in the work. I.M.P. has access to the living world, which is not unheard of but rare, but they are also willing to hunt down a target and get blood on their hands on behalf of those who can't get to the living world (and we know the other ways to access that living world are rare and expensive). striker also does assassination work - but largely for those who are simply not a position to get the job done themselves.

we explicitly see how hard fizz works to have the station and reputation he does - how much pressure he puts on himself to be perfect. in the flashbacks, we see that blitz & fizz (and barbie presumably) are already performing real shows at the age of five or six, and cash is already putting an enormous amount of pressure on fizz as one of his highest earners and biggest draws. it would be a lot easier to attract attention or create these entertaining displays if you have access to magic - or at least MONEY for a better tent, better costumes, better special effects.

so to succeed as a clown as an imp? you have to be very, very good. the pressure is always on, which leads me to -

o3. you're simply the best

when you're working with a deck that's not nearly as stacked as everyone else's, you have to be on top of your fucking game, no questions. the reason fizzarolli wins that contest every year, the reason why he's the face of mammon's brand, is because he's so utterly charismatic - a real showman. magic and pyrotechnics may get you some fancy spectacle, but there's no replacement for being an absolute fucking delight with a killer joke and banger music and a natural rapport with the crowd.

it's why, even if blitz wasn't as skilled as fizz - or at least TOLD he wasn't - his acrobatic skills are above and beyond. those circus instincts come in handy on a daily basis - he has to be quick thinking, fast on his feet, able to improv and roll with the punches, able to distract someone with patter and banter, and yeah - he needs some Sick Flips.

he holds a little shame that he never really pursued a clowning career, mostly because it was such a fundamental part of his life for the entirety of his formative years. he didn't LOVE it - in fact, he was deeply disillusioned by first his father and then mammon - and it only got worse as he got older, but we see on screen how much the idea of performing can send him into a spiral - and how much it means to him if he succeeds.

when you can hold your own against people you're told are better than you, it means a hell of a lot - it's a source of pride, a way to make a life, and an unwitting tradition among some circles of imps.

[mystech-master]

Putting in my own long response because I have my own word-vomit

first off, keeping those tags in

Secondly, my personal gripes with the series:

I feel like changing the Extermination motivation from "Overpopulation" in the pilot to "Preventing an uprising" hurts the premise of redemption. Before, the Overpopulation problem meant the exterminations were a necessary evil that they had to deal with, accept, and work around. They needed to happen so there is no arguing against them, and the Angels are too powerful to fight back against. The Hotel and redemption are the only hope. Now, not only do we know it is more about "Fuck you Sinners know your place" but now we know that they can easily fight back against the Exorcists, so it just makes me wonder. With the reason no longer having any justification and now knowing they can prevent it, why would anyone bother trying to "save themselves" from extermination when they know the reason is bogus and they just need to be strong enough to fight back (like the usual way things are in Hell)?

This series really doesn't want to bring up the massive timetable it is working with. For the Sinners, these are people who have lived up to around their 30s minimum and then spent decades in Hell, PLENTY of time for tons of shit to have happened. Then you got Charlie and her family who should be centuries to THOUSANDS of years old, and yet if you were to tell me these guys were their listed biological ages (Charlie in her 20s, Alastor in his 30s, etc.) I'd have no reason not to believe you. Charlie's massive lifespan and time alive is SO much room to fill in stuff like "What made her want to redeem Sinners in the first place?"

More of an issue with the broader Hella Verse, but the fact that so much shit is locked behind Helluva Boss and cannot crossover. Especially when it comes to Charlie and Lucifer. For Charlie, when it comes to her dream of redemption, one of the big reasons she gives in the show is "These are my people/These are our people", which feels weird when we will never see how she feels about the 85% of her Kingdom of her fellow Hellborn locked in the other show. People say that Charlie is kind of a flat character, learning more about her backstory and how she grew up could help mitigate that and naturally as Princess of Hell she should be interacting with the Sins and the Goetia, but NOPE. As far as Hazbin's canon is concerned it's just her, her parents, and she stayed in the Pride Ring. As for Lucifer, when you look at him and his relationship with Charlie in a vacuum, it seems fine. He is just Charlie's dorky yet distant dad. But when you remember that this is the King of Hell, shit looks weird. To start, it looks like after the fall Lucifer just became a depressed duck man while Lilith was the Queen girlboss running Hell. The Overlords and the Goetia seem to be doing most of the work doing ANY governing, and much like with Charlie, having him not be able to interact with the massive other chunks of his Kingdom, the Sins, or the Goetia and vice versa really feels like something is missing. Also, to go back to my first point. The "Preventing an Uprising" thing doesn't make sense when no one we've seen on the Sinner demon's side is capable of GETTING TO HEAVEN TO CAUSE AN UPRISING IN THE FIRST PLACE! Heaven portals clearly need to be opened by an Angel, no one else. But, even without that all of the people even remotely capable of getting to Heaven with portal magic either don't give AF about the Sinners (Lucifer) or are locked in the other canon and also probably dgaf about the Sinners (the Sins and the Goetia).

Those are my personal gripes though

Thirdly, moreso responses to some of OP's points. Not all of them, just the ones I feel like I could actually talk about.

First off the redemption thing. Asking about the crimes, and if they want to change and why not. Again this is an issue with the show not wanting to acknowledge the massive timetable, and therefore never bringing up the characters' human lives. As for what rules they are working with, "Who is throwing the book" no one knows apparently. It seems like "Sin" in the Hellaverse is any generically "Bad" behavior, for any reason (sexual deviancy, murder, stealing, doing drugs, greed, cannibalism, the most classic easy to call-out "evil" shit).

The Sexual assault being a joke one moment (Angel Dust to Husk I imagine) to being treated for drama and seriously the next (Valentino to Angel Dust) I imagine is also a problem I see in Helluva Boss where, they are going all "Ha ha we're an adult cartoon, Murder Drug Sex Joke LOL" where people can be charming assholes one moment but then you have the super serious moment next because you want characters to be sympathetic and relatable but that just ends up looking tone deaf. I've seen people say that Angel being all promiscuous (I hope that's the right word) is meant to be an SA victim's method of having control or something but again it looks like it clashes too much with the method.

For the Gay relationships being better than the Lesbians. I can't remember any Lesbian shops in this franchise other than Chaggie, but is it boring probably because it's attached to Charlie who many think is flat? If I am forgetting any Lesbian ships in HB then please remind me.

As for the specific character points

With Charlie I agree that she doesn't seem to add an arc, but what annoys me is when I see everyone online now start all repeating how she should meet someone too far gone who doesn't deserve redemption which just kind of feels edgy. I get what they mean, but it just feels like those guys who want to break the optimist with the cold hard reality. I'm just reminded of the "Naruto tries to talk no jutsu Hitler" or "When Steven Universe meets a bad guy * insert long paragraph and Steven crying pic * while another guy would kill them" or some joke like that. Again, I get what they actually mean, it just tends to come across like that, at least to me.

As for Charlie showing off more of her power, that leads me to ask "WHY is Charlie the Princess of Hell?" Like, narratively, what does it do? Almost no one respects her rank and she doesn't like to fight/resort to violence. The only thing it SEEMS to do is A. give her a reason to care about the Sinners (the "These are my people" reason, but like I said before that has its own issues) and B. give her the resources to start the Hotel and grant free room and board to its guests. BUT, if we go the opposite then we have another problem. If Charlie is instead someone willing to throw the power around, doesn't;t that basically eliminate almost ANY threat? Like the stuff with Valentino, if Charlie could just snap her fingers and Thanos him, that entire conflict would mean nothing. Even if she isn't someone who likes to resort to violence Val is clearly someone who'd push her buttons enough. If she just has enough resources or power to throw at any problem that isn't an emotional one, all conflict means nothing.

For Alastor, his not wanting Redemption may be true, it's what his big mystery is that keeps him around. We don't know WHO he is contracted to (most people theorize it is Lilith not Roo, due to their shared 7 Year Absence). Based on the final episode (pre-battle and the finale song) he seems like he could either be slowly coming around to liking the Hotel goers genuinely, or he is going to double down as a secret true bad guy in the final hour. We'll have to wait and see. As one of my old favorite shows once said "The Mask worn too long becomes the face"

I agree on the point of Sir Pentious being infantilized for the show. I honestly thought he was going to be a bit more of a recurring bad guy before staying at the Hotel at a mid-point way of the season, but when I learned we were only getting 8 episodes I was fine with it because it would be better to get that over with ASAp so it wouldn't;t be crammed in at the last minute in this already crammed story.

Nifty being infantilized and sexualized is the fault of the main show making her this chaotic gremlin thing. Yeah she was sort of nutty in the Pilot, but Pilot Nifty at least felt like she, at least mostly, had all of her cognitive faculties with her and could actually be talked to.

Those are all my points.

a comprehensive list of everything wrong with hazbin hotel.

quick note before i lose myself in madness, my standards for helluvaboss are non existent because its a free show on youtube. also i kinda like helluvaboss and i will indulge in any bias i damn well please.

oh and spoilers. i guess.

the greater narrative of the entire season is "White lady civilize inner city hoodlum". ex: The blind side. rich girl, affluent family yadda yadda.

the story is set up to be like amphibia, owl house, svtfoe, steven universe, that being starting as something episodic then transforming into story driven narrative. why? because we know the benefits and drawbacks, episodic starts allows us to wander the world, it allows us to understand the dynamics, we are not forced to reckon with anything because there is no deadline. characters are allowed to bloom and shine and the audience can actually get attached.

the source material is Vary Clearly formed from remnants of something out of a middle school edgelord narrative. the usage of transformation, the big spooky grins, the "and then i smile as my eyes glow and-"-isms which in most cases i don't mind because in some instances but in a vary Particular case its astoundingly annoying and that annoyance is like a mold, shit spreads quick.

the color Red. as a lover of homestuck cherubs and karkat and aradia, as someone who fucking loves the color red, it is so painful to say but holy shit tone it the fuck down, i know its hell but their are so many other colors that you can use, its everywhere, the streets, the air, the windows, the screens, the characters, i know the pride ring is represented with red but change up the palates every so often for backgrounds

the rush, this ties into the second point made but i think the story itself is rushed. we know everything way to early. i know way to much and it makes it hard to care about anything because im still trying to digest the last chunk of info. "oh ok, so they clear out hell once a year. oh hell has a heaven embassy? ok. oh that adam the angel, i though he wou- oh its every 6 months now. wait the exterminators die a lot? then why is everyone sca- people in hell already have weapons that can kill angels? w- oh we are in heaven now, ok ma- no one in heaven except for the elites know the exterminations occur? how do-" and its that, just this incessant rush to explain everything to you. notably that's just the god damn spark notes, we need to know everything about the characters now, every single bit of their story, their insecurities, what charlie needs to fix, how she can fix them, the major bad guys, everything. you are never allowed to dwell on a character because we need to rush towards something else. it almost feels like this should have been like... season three, it would have been a fantastic season three if you dropped the introductions honestly.

the concept of redemption. for a story of redemption to work you need to look at three things. What is there crime, Do they want to change, What is preventing them from changeing? there is only one single character that has a notable path of redemption, angel dust, but if you look through their story it feels off. What Exactly is he guilty of? he has sex, does drugs and drinks. his apparent nymphomania is tied to his sad backstory as someone forced into the sex industry so how is that their fault? then if you think about it you start to spiral and notice "hey why are most of these people in hell?" like sure some of them may deserve punishment but then you see the fucking dichotomy and its like "I was a inventor in england and died of the fucking plague, i may have made evil little contraption hoohoohoo" vs "I was a cannibal, a full on cannibal, i fucking killed people and ate them and then someone shot me". ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE FUCKING EXTREME. i'm going to go fucking nuts, the thing they went to heaven with when presenting a case to angels on the idea that redemption and becoming a better person is actually real was angel dust not drinking at a party and not having sex with consenting adults and i want to go fucking insane. WHAT IS THE CRIME, WHO IS THROWING THE BOOK, WHAT DOES THE BOOK INTEL, ARE WE ON GOOD PLACE RULES?! half the cast dont Need redemption they need fucking help, and the other half of the cast do need redemption but they do not seek it making the point moot. sir pentious acts like he has the brain of a hyper intelligent toddler tossing about toys, its almost like he did his one bad thing of spying and then got caught, sank his little diddy about forgiveness and second chances and become a null point through out the rest of the series, sure their was Some weight to him sacrificing himself, he was a decently funny character and he had good moments but him popping up in heaven felt like a fore gone conclusion, he didn't deserve to be in hell so why do i care that he is suddenly in heaven? because its working on the concept the good place already made. no one actually deserves eternal punishment they just need help processing what makes them a dick, but instead of looking at all the parts of the afterlife that make it bad, inefficient and then creating and trying ideas to see if it work instead over a few seasons, we crash dick first into all the major plot points in regards to that and say "tada, we fixed it.".

having a sub-plot about sexual assault and its victims then having multiple sexual assault related gag ruins your point.

don't make a bunch of stereotypically jewish characters into cannibals, that was a big thing, really shouldn't have to say it.

if you are going to make a character black, make them black, you can say alastor was black but sweet seren-fucking-dippity that's not a black man.

pot meet kettle but yeah the cursing could be a little less liberal. maybe just blue hair or the pronouns, not both.

there is a very distinctive art deco/jazz aesthetic which normally i love but i feel as though it is not used to its full extent and in some cases really hurts the character design in and of itself.

this is a vary obvious bit but the story is a million times more interested in gay men then it is of lesbians, which culminates in this insane thing where the writers clearly have more talent or perhaps it would be more abt to say practice writing male gay pining then they are with lesbian pining. which i personally think is hilarious because i did not know you could min max fujoshi-ism that hard.

this next section is more to do with each character on a fundamental level, for the sake of brevity whatever there is left, i'm just doing ones with speaking roles.

13. Charlie:

(see what i mean about that red thing?)

as originally stated charlie fits rather comfortably into every white saviour narrative, though that seems to be part of her joke. though i'm not entirely sure how much of a joke it can be when its rewarded and expected to advance the plot.

her character design says nothing, it has the motif of old puppets or dolls, she wears something vaguely similar to service suits, her demonic form is just some extra horns.not to say every character needs to have their life on a clothes rack but some more snake and goat imagery would be nice

its not the chol design of charlie with snake hair, not an actual problem but its a problem to me, damn you @cholvoq for ruining my ability to look at any of the characters without wishing i was seeing your designs instead.

character wise aside from the white savoir bit, i'm having a bit of trouble understanding what the arc of the character is. she is shown to be naive, someone who doesn't understand how the world works but everytime she says something its something astoundingly clear like "people can actually get better". and its treated like someone demanded faygo in every water fountain. is the joke that the world around her to cynical or is so to naive? please pick one or the other.

now if you know me, you know i fucking hate overpowered characters with a blinding passion, one that would set alit the god damn abyss but in this one special instance, i feel like its warranted, she's the direct descendant of fucking God, she can swing her weight around a little, i mean god damn. she in so many instances looks like shes cowering so often, why would the daughter of lucifer get backed down by some rando pimp? why wasn't she the one to fight adam? sure you can say she is young but how young? her parents were there since pre-abrahamic times, most of the characters showed up in hell in the 1900s, some of them showed up in the 1600s, how old is charlie??? how long does it take for her to learn how to be strong? The story does not suffer if charlie is strong and knows she is strong. it can easily be a case of "i don't believe in violence to a weird degree". fit it into her apparent naivety about the world to believe that violence is never the answer even when dealing with a being that is unilaterally horrible and abusive and monstrous.

she ga- no im kidding, i do think her romance was waysided a bit, it would have been fine to have more scenes of them togather and in love you know?

14. Vaggie

why did you name the lesbian vaggie...? Don't do that maybe?

I like how her design is almost moth like but again i feel as though you could have amped that up.

she feels as though someone tried to combine undyne and pearl from steven universe, same story beats and design elements. it makes it hard to really distinguish her as a character.

i honestly dont have much to say about her. she is fine.

christ kill me, lets just get the big one out of the way

15. Alastor.

God Damn

where to start.

"alastor is mixed race" mixed with fucking what? concrete? there is not a single black feature on that creature, now im not saying you have to make him a png of louie armstrong but it wouldn't hurt to add a curl to the hair maybe? make it a tiny bit more wavy? Something? a crumb i beg of thee?

his symbolism is all over the god damn place, native american monsters (you know the one), voodoo, radio, puppets, stitches, circuses??? and Tentacles i guess. two of those are from closed religions so if you dumped those you would actually get a more concise character focused on the concept of vox populi as a means of societal control and influence as we see in his first song. but again that gets drowned out repeatedly by all the other random toy box bits shoved into him.

tumblr sexy man bait

he serves no purpose in the story. he does spooky stuff, pretends to do things and then goes back to sitting around looking spooky. i understand that his motif is supposed to be aloof mastermind but maybe have him do more mastermindy things? if you remove most of alastors scenes, bar the songs, it doesn't change all to much. husk and nifity can still be at the hotel, they could be looking for outs in their contracts the same as angel dust. hell it even helps with the one scene where he dose some spooky shit, asking charlie for a favor in exchange for his help in the fight with the angels instead of asking him about angel weapons which should have remained a strictly vaggie scene.

his presence in a way delegitimize the story, as I noted in in the section regarding redemption, the three parts are "what is the crime, do they want to change, what is stopping them?" and alastor kinda just spits in the face of that. he is a serial killer cannibal that has no qualms about how evil he is and apparently must continue being evil due to being under the control under someone legitimately called the Root Of All Evil. show him take a slight interest in the idea that maybe shit for him could be better, make him Want Change at the bare fucking minimum or dont have him at the hotel.

his stupid little fucking horns, big shot the troll liker wants characters to have big fucking horns, make them noticeable or dont have them.

he looks more like a dog boy, which could have been an interesting thing with the collar motif but fuck me i guess.

personal pet peeve but i fucking hate characters that have a million plus powers, stick to a set number, be creative.

im getting more petty as i go on so last point: he could have been in less episodes, he didn't need to be in dad beat dad, that should have been just a lucifer and charlie episode. inverse the red and black and i think he would be fucking great color wise, his body type is the same as ten different characters, he isnt radio enough, aside from the voice and and staff if you told me he was the fucking Cat Demon i would have been just as convinced.

16. Angel Dust

what the fuck, gay spider? its hard to actully articulate all the thoughts i have on angel dust, not in the sense that he is a deeply thought provoking character but in the fact that there is not much meat on the bones.

all around i think angel dust is kinda middling. he has a decent enough romance with husk, he has a decent enough story line that revolves around battling addiction and removing yourself from an abuser (which the story tries to brand as "Redemption???")

I dont like that most of his jokes would qualify as sexual harassment, i don't mind him being sexual as a character but continuing on when clearly someone doesn't like the jokes hurts the character.

not a critique but he is pink, which honestly ill fucking take at point, as long as its not more fucking red.

i think his design is an improvement over some of the old vivzie designs but it feels like it could have done with going a few more rounds of design changes.

same thing with alastor, charlie and vaggie, there is not enough of the animal that they are supposed to be. You could have told me angel dust was a fucking bee or something and i would have had to believe you. nothing about angel dust initially says spider, hell he dosent even have enough limps to be a fucking spider.

17. Carmilla carmine

are... are you supposed to be a rabbit...?

Big Yoai Hands

ballet fighting style, could have been cool, wish she fought more like sanji or chun li.

A single mom that works to hard, who loves her kids and never stops-

her song was decent, not great, decent. it feels as though the actress has experience singing but not in the way they tried to make her sing during her two songs. they have a obvious mexican influence, honestly just let her sing in spanish in the english dub. go listen to the spanish dub, "out for love" sounds great in spanish.

i wish i had more thoughts on them, fucking rip.

18. cherri bomb

that's not a punk aesthetic that's 2010s alt

decent character, they showed up once or twice i guess, no real thoughts.

19. egg boiz

absolutely perfect, i have not notes on them, these are perfect creatures.

20. Emily

im so fucking happy to see a singular blue character

does the naive dreamer bit better then charlie

We really shouldnt have seen her until the end of season two or middle of three.

good contrast with the other angels on screen.

Wait she is supposed to be black??? Where???

21. Husk

keith david you absolute delight, Why on gods green earth did they only give you one singing part?

one of the few charecters where its clear husk is a cat, i do like the kinda... marquee design, he is a magic cat, thats neat. i still think you can toss the wings and eyebrows and still have just as good of a charecter.

has a deeply intresting story of someone who died as a nobody, became the fat cat of hell and then was forced back to the bottom by their own vices, not used at fucking all.

huge potential, little pay off.

22. lillith

I know nothing about her except she ditched her kid and husband to vacation in heaven and i think thats kinda funny.

alot of werid things floating around her, again she shouldnt have been shown in the show at all until next season.

23. lucifer morningstar

no notes, funniest charecter, did a song based on friend like me.

few notes: i do like the idea that the immortal symbol of pride is a constant emotional wreckage constantly seeking approval through grand showmanship and manic energy that threatens to take over anything they touch.

would have liked more snake stuff on him, maybe some more goat things like horns.

that is such a stupid fucking staff lmao.

24. Adam.

alex brightman you absolute fucking delight, you should have had more songs.

I wish his design was more focused on the idea of him being a glam rock wash up

I fucking hate his mask

We shouldn't have met him until the end of the season.

25. Niffty

again she is supposed to be a bug or cockroach but nothing about her points to that.

token straight

keeps rocketing back and fourth between sexulization and infantilization

you had kimiko glenn but didnt give her a single fucking song?

26. Sir Pentious

the secret season one redeemed.

the pilot version of him felt more like someone that could do a season one redemption arc, a megalomaniac constantly attempting territory grabs, there is something you can work with, actual character flaws to work through.

essentially a child after the first episode.

actually a snake which i appreciate.

no where near steampunky enough.

27. the villians of the show dont make much sense, each one feels like they should be season long deals on their own instead of a bunch of team rocket esque idiots that show up on occasion, do a bad thing and then leave.

28. Valentino

gOD THERE IS SO MUCH RED

only a moth some of the time.

sucks as a villain, maybe they need more screen time to show why they suck in a more substantial way aside from being told that he sucks.

it is interesting that angel dust is only under his magical control when in the studio, it shows that angel dust has to make a conscious choice to return, which in turn can be made to show how abusers can draw back their victims. I do not think it was done well in this circumstance as it shows him to be cartoonishly evil, constantly flying back and fourth between sweet and utter psycho, there is no actual reason for angel dust to ever actually go back to the studio, he just does so every so often.

29. Vox

legit who cares? the only thing about him that is in any way substantial is all the dope ass fan art we get.

propaganda machine angle that is not explored at all, just hinted at. no actual barring on the story whatsoever.

why didn't he try to do the same shit as alastor by the way? he knows its bad if alastor gets in good with charlie so shouldn't it be a ass kissing race?

same body shape as literally every other male character.

tumblr sexy man version of pyrocynicals fursona.

30. Valvette

the actual poster child of the shows huge problem of "Show me, don't tell me".

apparently the glue that holds the villains together. never shown.

apparently the one that makes the love potions that valentino is famous for. had to learn about that in the fuckin wiki trivias

we know so much about her from things outside of the show.

was there to call carmilla a coward, that's her plot contribution. she shows up every now and again but its never anything substantial and serves to more around take up run time for people We Don't Need To Know Yet.

im not trying to be mean, animation is animation, we need smaller studios to have success in the industry so that other indie studios can have that success, felling a tree makes it easier for others to follow. showing that its possible to number brain rot exacs helps all animators.

but this show has so much bullshit attached to it, it has so much fucking potential that it fries my brain with unyielding frustration.

this took a bit to write, im tired, thanks for reading.

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I should eventually sit down and sort out a proper "impression list" first draft.

(Yes, I'm using the Wiki to produce a shortcut.)

Heaven-Side

I'd say... it really depends on where they are on the ladder. The higher up the ladder, the more aware of how dangerous a Custodi can be if their conditions aren't met... even if they are surprisingly patient.

Someone's that been around a long while like Sera would likely look upon their arrival with subdued terror... while Emily might be excited to finally meet one.

Cherubs likely wouldn't know what they were, but the fear gets passed down the ladder, so it's not surprising if they immediately toss anyone that's basically dead weight in hoping whoever it is that's higher up takes mercy on them. It doesn't stop the audits from happening though.

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Earth Side

Accounting that humans mostly see them as a rumor or fairy tale, it's better to say that encounters usually start if meddling is involved, or they did something very, very stupid. Follow their guidance and prosper... refuse their guidance or attempt to make them give you what they want... suffer a horrible fate.

They're not fairy godmothers that will wave their magical wands and make everything better. Making that kind of mistake tends to not go well and there's plenty of stories going either way.

I wouldn't be surprised if D.H.O.R.K.S. has some really strange ideas of what they're like, being mixed in with fiction, morality tales, and folklore that is pretty much all over the place. Shorter answer, they don't know anything about anything.

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Hell Side

Lucifer Morningstar - The King of Hell

Accounting for time and age, he's likely familiar enough with them to be nervous, but knows they mean well at the same time... even if it's not apparent.

So... friendly terms, but I doubt he's willing to ask them any questions he's afraid to hear the answers to.

_ Charlie Morningstar - The Princess of Hell, heir apparent to Hell's throne

I'd probably guess that what Charlie knows about them was likely told to her by her mother or father, so... she might have something of a fairytale-like view of them... like a fairy godmother or something.

So... I could see her being very excited if one of them took an interest in her hotel. I doubt they'd say anything about Sir Pentious right away, but they would offer guidance and a nudge if asked.

_ The Seven Deadly Sins

While we don't have much information on what they are like on their downtime... and not playing up things for the audience, I'd probably be able to at least make some educated guesses. Although, the obvious thing here is that they've been around long enough to know that a number of Custodi are far older than they... and carry authority.

(Lucifer is not listed here due to being described earlier on the list.)

Considering Asmodeus tends to have subordinates that visit the human world on a regular basis, there will have been various discussions, agreements, and inspections. A number of interactions with hellborn demons usually comes from these interactions.

Mammon probably has a good idea that the Custodi have access to trade routes that he doesn't. However, that would mean having to improve his work conditions and quality standards in order to sell his product on such a highly competitive market... which he's clearly not prepared at all for... That and they keep refusing his offers for a deal.

Beelzebub has likely only seen them during events, so... I'm not entirely sure what her thoughts on them are outside of that she can't really get anything out of them directly and hugging them can get very trippy sometimes.

As for Satan, Leviathan, and Belphegor, I'd have to reverse engineer their personalities from their rings and other circulating data, but there's not much to go on yet.

- The Ars Goetia - Hellborn Demons with royal status, including Prince Stolas

Admittedly, most of the Ars Goetia probably have only heard about Custodi through rumor, so meeting one is thought more of an opportunity to raise their status than any understanding of the dangers. Not that they'd know they met one in person.

Paimon would have had an encounter with one when he started using the grimoire, but mistook the encounter for something that came with the book.

For Stolas, it probably could be said to be something like a student-teacher relationship. Odds are that he's hoping his friend would help teach Octavia how to use the grimoire once she's ready. To be said, the one he met is something of a family friend... although I get the feeling that Stella has no idea what who the guest is.

_ Overlords - Demons who wield considerable power/influence in the Pride Ring

Similar views to other Sinners, possibly tempted by the opportunity like the Ars Goetia.

No idea how many of them are stupid enough to try and convince one to make a deal if they realize they weren't some sort of rumor, even if the fact they can work around restrictions must be very tempting.

_ Sinners - Demons who were once humans on Earth, having sinned were damned to Hell

If a Sinner met a Custodi in the past, it was likely back when they were still living. Although I do wonder how many of them actually regret heeding their warnings and guidance.

Hell-side though, possibly heard about from rumors, but... actual encounters are low. If they did, they likely wouldn't know they met one unless someone that knows makes a point out of it, or the Custodi is up to something.

_ Hellborn demons - Succubi, Incubi, and other species of demons native to Hell

I'd split the view into two groups to start... those that have heard about them from rumors and those that encounter them on a regular basis.

On one hand, you have these rumors floating about that if you meet one and give them what they want, you could get a miracle in return... to put it mildly. However, considering how certain demons are about things they want... failing the test is typically fatal. I'd probably guess right now that residents of the greed ring tend to have the highest Custodi-related fatalities.

On the other hand, demons that regularly interact with the human world tend to interact with them on a more frequent basis... However, there's more of a friendly work atmosphere than any deal making... with the occasional cleanup and audit if something goes wrong.

Although, considering that Custodi can sometimes be seen discussing things with the deadly sins for work related reasons where hellborn demons are also present, passive encounters are not really thought of as much.

_ Imps and Hellhounds - The bottom of Hell's society

I'd probably say about the same as other Hellborn demons. Mostly considered rumor, but if they are involved in work that goes earth-side, they're likely to have a case-worker.

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I'll have to sort things down later.