#vword

[phightingships]

Vinestaff x Sword? The nation is starving.

day 28: swordstaff (vine staff x sword)

[lesboard]

hi i know there’s at least 4 swordstaff fans including myself come eat you starving children

[oreo-ori]

Opening my Tumblr profile after like 6 years and seeing all these Voltron stuff (including a pfp and description I already changed) is bringing back traumas

Poor little 13 years-old me, didn't know how BAD that series could get

[tinkyrubi-png]

I just think he's neat

[schlotterbeckenbauer]

Mi estabilidad emocional depende de italianos que juegan en equipos distintos y se ven una vez por siglo porque raramente los convocan a la selección juntos

[greasedupclown]

goochie.

[volatilemariner]

wvelwvet vworm.

[eyestalk]

its sad thta now im getting ignored u reap what u sow ig

[caligvlasaqvarivm]

hi! i saw on your shipping chart you had meenah and cronus as moirails and noted 'would have prevented all problems' and ive never really seen that take before. id love to hear your thoughts on that if you wanted to talk about them, your analysis in general is always amazing

Sure! I know this one's going to be controversial, but TBH I'm kind of fascinated by their dynamic. So please bear with me here and come into it with an open mind; I was also really surprised when I noticed what was going on.

Also, standard disclaimer that nobody has to agree with me or ship my ships, I literally don't care, HCs are valid, death of the author, etc. etc. This is just a canon discussion blog, and there's kind of a weird amount to read into in the canon between these two.

Okay, so, first of all, quick refresher on moirallegiance: it's not necessarily about being BFFs, it's very specifically about pacifying each other, keeping each other calm and stable, and preventing each other from causing harm to oneself or to others.

Ergo, the marker of moirallegiance rests not on "do these two get along as BFFs?" and instead on "do these two keep each other calm and/or mitigate each others' harm".

So with that out of the way, Cronus and Meenah. We know that Cronus has a redcrush on her, echoing Eridan's redcrush on Feferi, and that Meenah is not interested at all. Cronus shoots his shot with her, she's like ick, no & leaves, and that's that on that. Cronus then rounds on Mituna and says some unbelievably cruel and shitty stuff, but here's Point #1 - Meenah shows up again, and Cronus stops immediately, and then is noticeably calmer and friendlier to Mituna. Compare:

CRONUS: you are a brain damaged reject on a team full of rejects. a rejects reject. i vwould havwe culled you myself if that vword meant vwhat it should havwe on our planet.

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CRONUS: vwell, this is clearly absurd, but nyeh, vwhat the heck. CRONUS: mituna, i just cant take it anymore. i think my ghost is going to kill itself. MITUNA: WH0W4H L375 FUCK!!!!! CRONUS: vwait... CRONUS: really? MITUNA: N0 0Y0 P135H3 0FF 1ND107 FUGG1NG G4R484G3  #FUCKY0UFUCKY0UFUCKY0UFUCKY0UFUCKY0U CRONUS: oh.

So at the very least, SOMETHING conciliatory seems to be happening here, whether that's pale or ashen. But I'm going with pale, because it continues.

Their second conversation together is really interesting - not only has Cronus stopped redflirting with her, but he no longer even seems interested. Compare this to the section with Mituna above:

CRONUS: oh sure. no grub sauce on your hands! MEENAH: wow you did it MEENAH: ampora you totally changed my mind about you lets start makin out immediately  #not CRONUS: just admit it. you havwe it vwithin you to be just as harsh to our behelmeted buddy as i am, if not more

Like, he doesn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the "let's make out #not". Not even in an indignant "see, you keep playing with my collapsing and expanding bladder based vwascular system" kind of way. Literally just breezes right by it, which says to me that he isn't even really that into her concupiscently.

But more interesting are the actual contents of the conversation. Cronus is the only person on the entire team who's able to make Meenah have misgivings about how awesome the Condy is.

MEENAH: man MEENAH: a girls gotta have fuel for her pimp ride know what im sayin MEENAH: like MEENAH: i probably took care of him good MEENAH: you know how it is someones gotta take care of the guy anyways MEENAH: and... yeah #38(

This is the first and only time that Meenah even acknowledges that the Condy - herself at her worst - is kind of shitty. This is the first and only time she's ever expressed any emotion for the Condy other than fangirlish admiration or rage against Caluborn for enslaving her. For whatever reason, she actually listens to Cronus when Cronus takes her to task, and he's actually able to make her genuinely reflect on her worst tendencies.

But maybe more damning is the fact that in their first real conversation together for nearly an eon, she almost fixes him:

MEENAH: i heard a rumor you think youre a human now MEENAH: that true CRONUS: its a privwate matter. i dont see vwhy i should havwe to talk about it vwith you, and open myself up to more of your judgmental scorn. MEENAH: sounds like another desperate cry for attention imo

[...]

CRONUS: to be honest, she might be right. sometimes i think i might only be saying im a human to get attention. maybe i should givwe it up.

Cronus's fundamental emotional problem is a sense of purposelesness and ennui. Born into a caste of high privilege, with his identity overshadowed by said position, he's been handed an unpleasant cocktail of entitlement, lack of true emotional support or connection, and lack of a real, authentic personal identity - especially because the thing he DID seem to derive a sense of identity and purpose from - his little Harry Potter wizard backstory - was driven out of him. In other words, he's kind of a shitty rich kid that doesn't really know who he is outside of that, and his humankin stuff is an attempt to fill the wizard hole without addressing his real underlying issues. It's a Bad Thing for him to be doing, and something he should drop in order to start addressing his genuine insecurities, feelings of emptiness, and lack of identity or purpose. In other words, it's harm he's performing on himself, and a single conversation with Meenah being enough to make him reconsider it? Hmmmmmm.

In fact, I'm not the only one picking up on the pale vibes. The specific way that Kankri interrupts the two reads as incredibly pick-me in pale:

KANKRI: Listen, I was d9ing y9u a fav9r. Y9u d9n't need t9 6e dating any9ne wh9 can't appreciate y9u f9r wh9 y9u really are, 9r m9re imp9rtantly, which fantasy versi9n 9f y9urself y9u m9st str9ngly identify with.

[...]

I just wanted y9u t9 kn9w that I'm here f9r y9u, and am prepared t9 lecture t9 y9u extensively, I mean, listen t9 y9u extensively, a69ut y9ur ultra-imp9rtant pr96lem.

"Don't take Meenah's advice about your problems! Take mine instead, I care about you sooo much more than she does!" lol. I have a whole essay on how Kankri and Cronus are actually super toxic for each other, in an interesting foil to Karkat and Eridan, which I'll link here in a bit (I'm on mobile RN and it's hard enough C/Ping my sources).

In any case, Kankri slides in at exactly the moment where Meenah's about to fix Cronus, and proceeds to make Cronus worse. The details are in the Cronus and Kankri essay, but TL;DR it's kind of implied that Kankri is the one who talked Cronus out of the wizard stuff in the first place, which pretty much disqualifies the two's relationship from pale, given how harmful that was. This whole thing is pretty reminiscent of Gamzee coming between Karkat and Eridan when Eridan is trying to comfort Karkat about Sollux dying, because it's implied Gamzee has a palecrush on the guy. That might be subjective, though.

What isn't subjective is the fact that Meenah unironically defends Cronus's wizard beliefs when Aranea starts shitting on them.

ARANEA: Whatever the case, it was pro8a8ly for the 8est, since pretty much everyone who had half a think pan thought [Cronus's wizard beliefs were] all a 8unch of ridiculous nonsense. MEENAH: serket why do you got to hate on other peoples religions MEENAH: dont you kno they just as much a load of crackpotty bunk as all your spiritual bullfuck ARANEA: 8ut I........ ARANEA: Yes, I guess I was out of line.

She doesn't do this for anybody else. Not long after, it turns out she's absolutely joking about defending Kurloz:

MEENAH: wow serket MEENAH: just wow so rude MEENAH: poor clown ARANEA: Don't give me that! I seem to remem8er you having more than a few unkind words for him 8ehind his 8ack. MEENAH: yeah im messin witchu he sux

And even proceeds to shit on HIS spiritual bullfuck:

MEENAH: )(ONK ARANEA: Honk honk! ::::) MEENAH: lol im glad we can both agree that clowny fuckin soda cult is the dumbest shit ever

So... weird, huh? Seems like she gives Cronus special treatment for some reason.

That's it for the diegetic stuff to go over, which, yes, means that there's a bit of non-diegetic stuff to discuss. It's not much, but here's Hussie's commentary from the Act 5 Act 2 book, on Mindfang's journal entries about Dualscar leading up to the 3x showdown (emphasis mine):

In the end, even though violets are the ruling class, she doesn't care much about them either. All she cares about is keeping her stranglehold on power with this complex, staggered, oppression-based sort of pyramid scheme. Note how it says the Condesce doesn't even know who Dualscar is. That's how insignificant he is, ultimately. Similarly, all Eridan was to Feferi after a while was a tiresome pest. The way that situation played out could also be seen as long-delayed karmic backlash for Dualscar's irrelevance to her, at least from a very Amporan point of view.

Now, while the specific context here is about how, from the point of view of a shitty entitled guy, Eridan killing Feferi is kind of a retribution for the Condy not giving a shit about Dualscar, all of Hussie's commentary is meant to be interrogated just as much as the base text, and it just makes me wonder. The dancestors very much treat their Alternian counterparts as alternate versions of themselves, consistent throughout their interactions, meaning we ought to consider Duascar and the Condesce to be versions of Cronus and Meenah.

If it is, in fact, the case that Cronus and Meenah would've made for excellent, harm-reducing moirails for each other, then murderstuck being a karmic backlash for their ultimate irrelevance to each other takes on a much greater implication - one that traces back to Cronus's classpect.

Bards start off massive karmic chain reactions, resulting in improbable victory or abject defeat, sometimes both; Hope is an aspect whose main application is making fake things real.

So I'm not saying that Cronus believing that an evil wizard attacked him when he was younger but was inadvertently sealed away and that Cronus was therefore karmically destined to defeat this wizard, but then having his beliefs shattered halfway through, led to him karmically contributing to the eventual creation of LE via his Hope abilities "inviting destruction" by making only the first half of his fake prophecy true, but - oh, no, wait, I am saying that. Man, that really sucks for everybody. If only Cronus had a friend who was, for whatever reason, willing to stick up for his dumbass wizard faith.

If only.

[cherryblogss]

cherryblogss eh mae, tia e prefeita❤️ dia 31 as xerecas vao explodir! e sim mamae, queremos saber q mico eh esse (gostaria de saber tbm dos nossos irmaos, como tao eles e vc?)

realmente dia 31 teremos mts bombardeios de xerecas aq nesse blog😘 ainda mais que muitos eram ideias que eu ia descartar, mas aí pensei por que não colocar no meu kinktober😈

os irmãoszinhos estão bem, so to preocupada com um gatinho de rua que eu cuido e ele não aparece faz uns dias. eu só nao coloco pra dentro pq ele é mt brigão e vai acabar machucando meus bbs

Basicamente meu mico não é tão mico, mas simplesmente deixei o espírito de sabrina carpenter tesuda me dominar.

Esse cara aí foi um que começou a me seguir no insta há uns 4 meses e eu só aceitei pq ele era meu veterano (já formado e tem uns 28 anos eu acho, nunca perguntei hihi), então eu sempre hesito em aceitar pessoas do meu curso pq são esquisitos nerds de computação que me dão nojinho (serio gnt não tenho palavras pra descrever os absurdos que escuto e leio todo dia por causa desse curso), mas aceitei esse brother pq ele parecia normal.

Enfim, simplesmente quando eu aceitei a solicitação ele começou a curtir todas as minhas notas que eu colocava de msc e meus destaques💀💀💀 e só curtia foto minha sozinha, quando eu postava com alguma amiga minha ele não curtia. Aí fiquei: érr, ele quer a cherryzita aki. masssss ele não tinha atitude nenhuma alem dessa idiotice de curtir stories e eu tbm não ligava mt pq não o acho tão bonito e sinceramente não tenho paciencia pra flerte. Só que ele tem um corpo tão sarado e é tão alto galera que toda vez que eu to no período fértil fico e se eu ousar😈😈😈 e fiz isso um dia que ele postou sobre uma serie que gosto, mas ficou só por isso msm e morreu o assunto (divo de poucas palavras e eu tbm).

Eu posto mt rewiew do letter no meu story e ele sempre curtia e tals, até que quando ia lançar joker 2 ele me chamou pra ver, mas eu já tinha comprado meu ingresso pra ver legendado e foi meio caro pq era no vip e pré-estreia (mal ele sabe que eu só fui pq sou fã da lady gaga,nem vi o 1). ele não se deu por vencido quando eu disse q ja tinha ingresso e tbm fiz uma gracinha lá por causa do maldito período fértil🥲 e nao ironicamente foi a primeira vez que ele reagiu de fato na vida e eu aproveite ne (im so fuckinggggg hornyyyyyyyyyy repetindo na minha cabeça o tempo todo)

Ele pagou todo o resto e eu fiquei me sentindo mt mal, pq não gosto que me banquem, mas foi uma gracinha (off eu nunca tinha ido num date) ATE QUE o filme termina esse diabo satanas de homem braçudo pergunta se eu quero ir pra outro lugar (eu tava mt loca pq a gnt asssitiu meio que abraçadinho e ele ficava me fazendo uns carinhos que me deu um fogo uterino🍽 e eu estava ok kd o leite pra engolir a jantar). Eu aceitei ir pra casa dele e realmente só queria pagar pra ver, pq eu nunca sou assim, sempre me planejo bastante com tudo e do nada aceitei sair com esse cão. E óbvio né que rolou o nhec nhec. Eu era virjola, mas n fui inocente, então meio que ja sabia oq fazer nekkkk e ele ficou todo 🫨 pq ele dizia que eu tinha mt cara de timida e afins (eu sou ta🙄), enfim ele nem percebeu que eu era a vword pq nossa diferença de tamanho é bem grande e ele achava que tava com dificuldade pq tenho 1 metro e meio e ele 1,90🫶 mas foi bão e superou minhas expectativas. fim da historia: ele sumiu e eu dei graças a deus pq não queria ele no meu pé e tbm tava com vergonha de pensar como se eu fosse escolher de fato nao perderia a virgindade com ele e acho ele meio feio apesar de ser gostoso (e tem energia de saboroso e tudo mais)🤫😈👹💀 aí descobri que ele ta viajando pq do nada ele me mandou foto de um café que não tem na minha cidade.

[pesterloglog]

Cronus Ampora, Mituna Captor, Meenah Peixes

Act 6, page 5308

CRONUS: HEY! i thought i told you to stay put.

MITUNA: W7HF7F?

CRONUS: i told you to stay here in exactly this spot.

MITUNA: 1 D1

#D

CRONUS: vwell, she vwas gone. SOMEONE must havwe frightened her avway.

CRONUS: you must havwe spaced out and vwandered into vwiewv briefly. she probably got one look at you and couldnt split fast enough.

MITUNA: N0 1 S7H4Y3D H3R3 L1K3 Y0U 7H41D

CRONUS: vwonderful. this is just exactly vwhat i needed, vwhat vwith all my frayed emotions lately. thanks a lot, "buddy."

MITUNA: 1M 50RRY

CRONUS: no youre not. youre lying.

CRONUS: your vwhole bifurcated demeanor is such an act. half the time you are noxious and incomprehensible, and the other half you are mild and contrite? sure, "PAL."

CRONUS: as if im not SO on to you. you only pretend to say youre sorry to get girls to like you more. sure seems like pyropes a sucker for the ruse. like im not familiar vwith THOSE tactics. vwho do you think vwrote the book on that??

MITUNA: 1 D0N7 NK0W W0W WR073 7H3 800K

CRONUS: be quiet. i really dislike the sound of you.

CRONUS: do you realize because of you, it may be EPOCHS before i get another shot vwith her? you just had to crawvl out of the bushes and shit your space suit in plain sight.

MITUNA: 1M 50RRY

CRONUS: i said shut up. do you havwe any idea vwhat a man of my class vwould do if a mustard blood like you spoke to me this vway on alternia? honestly, sometimes i think i vwas hatched in the vwrong univwerse, let ALONE the vwrong body.

CRONUS: i am so sick of havwing to pretend to treat you vwith the dignity you vwouldnt deservwe evwen if you COULD count the scars on my forehead. you couldnt tell me the ansvwer if i asked vwhat your favworite number vwas.

MITUNA: 7W0!!11!!!!111!!!!!1111111

CRONUS: dont interrupt. youre a horrible friend and a horrible person.

MITUNA:

CRONUS: latula is only vwith you out of pity. she doesnt havwe real feelings for you. no one could.

MITUNA:

CRONUS: you are a brain damaged reject on a team full of rejects. a rejects reject. i vwould havwe culled you myself if that vword meant vwhat it should havwe on our planet.

MEENAH: A)(-EM

CRONUS: vwhoah uh

CRONUS: meenah!

CRONUS: vwowv... hmm.

CRONUS: VWOWV

CRONUS: howv long uh...

CRONUS: vwere you standing there?

MEENAH: douche

[edraculation]

i call people "brother" or "sister" a lot but vwhen i wvant to use that kind of vword but don't knowv the gender of the person I'm talking to/about i use comrade instead. this is all to say the gender neutral vwersion of brother or sister is comrade and i wvill not accept anything else

[davekat-sucks]

It’s surprising that they say Meenah would be pedo because she wants Karkat and she’s been with a 13-year-old Vriska, but we talk very little about Cronus for that. He wanted to flirt with Karkat (he chased him to his hive where he locked himself in) he dates an Eridan (I had read that he would try with Tavros too ... but I'm not sure)

I wonder if Cronus fans know how bad a person he is.

He still says he would have killed Mituna if they were on Alternia ("I VWOULD HAVWE CULLED YOU MYSELF IF THAT VWORD MEANT VWHAT IT SHOULD HAVWE ON OUR PLANET.")

Or because he’s so-called "trans-specie" we forgive him everything? (On his wiki it's say "Cronus has very possibly feigned issues with species identity and used suicidal threats in attempts to garner the attention of his peers")

It's only okay with Vriska because lesbian overshadows implications of pedophilia. As long as the couple is the same sex, stuff like abuse, age gap, and other mature controversial topics gets glossed over. Cronus did try to flirt with Eridan. But considering trolls are fine with incest, it probably wasn't seen as a big deal since it was not as important as other ships like Meenah x Vriska or Dave x Karkat. Also that this Eridan was part of a mini strife with other ghosts, it's not exactly the same Eridan we had followed in the story. It's a different Eridan that happened to accept his creepy motives since he is fine with whatever as long as it meant he is isn't a ghost virgin. If Cronus fans are anything like Eridan fans, they might accept that he is a big piece of shit and can't really woobiefy him like some do with Eridan with shit like non-binary gender arc. If not that, then Cronus' behavior in fanworks tone down extremely to prevent pissing off people who are sensitive with his actions. If not many fanart shows Eridan being racist or into military history in these modern times, then Cronus sure as hell can't lash out extremely or groping people like he had done in Openbound. If Kankri is basically the tumblrite that wants people to check their privileges and gets triggered easily, then Cronus is basically the attention whore who would guilt others online that if they act too harshly on them for being something different, then he plays the victim and says he will kill himself because others around him are acting this way towards him. May or may not help that it brings people like Kankri to his defense because he plays the "I now identify as a human, not a troll!" kind of crap.

[chironschariot]

I'll 8e honest. I havwe no idea vwhat's going on. I keep seeing the vword horse and svwole though.

[iassignpeoplehomestucktrolls]

Truer vwords vwere newver spoken

It's kinda funny when you get a bunch of likes but no reblogs like I enjoyed your post but I'd prefer if no one else saw it

[28mindgames]

Me sorprende que ya casi en 2025 la gente crea en Larry pero que la gente crea en ziam ya es definitivamente una locura.

dios santo, ese es un submundo que prefiero ignorar porque me parece una locura jajajs (otro submundo que me parece una locura son las vword gword obsesionadas con demostrar que liam fue asesinado ??? y que andan armando conspiraciones, déjenlo descansar en paz)