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Hey dear, I want you to just hear me out. When Jimin released Face off. I got a feeling that this song was about Tae and that it was a break up song and that is the reason why I think Tae never Hyped Jimin’s album. What if “ I wish you could love me again” by Tae was a reply to Face off. This is just my thought.
Nothing is impossible... They do have interactions after Face where they seemed fine though. And I remember Tae saying he was excited/waiting for it too before the release. Anyways, as usual we just don't have enough of the pieces to really know anything. All we can do is guess... Personally I don't really lean either way regarding the songs being about each other. What I do think is that no matter if the songs are about each other or not I stil think they are friends and at the very least civil with each other.
Thanks for the ask, and let's wait and see and hope Vmin haven't been through anything too angsty. ❤️
#vmin#jimin#taehyung#park jimin#kim taehyung#btsandvmin#btsandvmin ask#btsandvmin answer#vmin analysis#vmin songs#face#love me again
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Is it JK’s eye in the Screen? / Is WHO LGBTQ Coded?
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So Fake Love by BTS was about love that was destined but ended up being fake. I think WHO is a similar concept.
Jimin is singing about Who is the Love has his heart, but has yet to find her. However, with all the hints, clues and symbolism of the LGTBQ community, I believe he is saying society, fans etc,. expect him to find a woman, but he has already found the love of his life in JK. He gives a subtle nod with the billboard screen that fell that showed his eyes. Also the phrase Keep Going on the screen coupled with the led screen for JK’s Coming Soon for Cinema has similarities. Is there a correlation?
OT7 and vmin say the eyes are Tae. But there is no mole. I think they are JK and Jimin has subtly done what he and JK wanted to do; show they are in love, they are partners, they are each other’s ride and die!
They enlisted together and they vacation together. They mentioned GCFT and they talk about we will see the real JM and JK. Will it be bro-code? Yes, but their chemistry and togetherness will come through!
Love these two and Jimin has a brilliant album that talks about being in love.
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After watching the video multiple times and reading analysis with others, I have come up with more clues. I left this comment on a post on some site.
If you go back and watch the video, it appears most of it is in a dream state or parallel world. At the very beginning you actually hear all the sounds the ambient sounds such as the car driving by, car horns, people walking. Then he starts singing and all the ambient sounds go away. There are mechanics working in the background and you don’t hear any of that. They are ignoring all the dancers. Then the next sound you hear is the billboard dropping with JK’s eye (Tae has a mole under his eye). Then back to this alternate/parallel world with no ambient noise. There are glitches in the video, you have fake tornado’s and fireworks that you don’t hear. Cars turning over. No sound. Then after his last verse, who is my heart waiting for, he is walking and you hear all the ambient noise again. His footsteps, the cars, sirens. Back to reality. He is walking that red line that JK walked in Standing Next to You. I believe he is singing about what society expects of him regarding a relationship. Being with a girl. However, the whole promo and album is lgbtq coded. All the other songs are love songs as if he is already in love with someone. Jimin through his music, paintings, photo books has been telling us he supports and/or is part of the community. Many believe JM and JK have been in a relationship for years. There are plenty of clues from the promo as well. Muse is about what inspired Jimin to find love. He clearly sings about it. He co-wrote all the songs except WHO. He told the writer what he wanted to convey. Jimin and JK are doing as much as they can get away with confirming who they are and what they mean to each other. In the song Who, he never identifies a women who has his heart. He walks away. This song is so coded, but for those who don’t want to see or can’t see, the song fits his pop persona where people of all genders love his songs and can relate. No different than Ricky Martin, George Micheal singing to and about women. But we all know they eventually came out. Yet, they would still sing love songs between men and women. Sam Smith and Troy Sivoan went the route of singing about gay love As we know, both JK and JM love them both, especially Troy.
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He broke up with Jennie cause he realized Jimin is the one he wants to be more then Friends with. DUH!
Lets see.
(1) Siren
(2) Red String
(3) Friendship that becomes Eternal
(4) Apple/Forbidden Fruit
So basically.
(1) Jimin? Everyone calls Jimin a siren, Tae even said Jimin reminded him of a mermaid & Tae himself has said many times Jimin is desirable and alluring and also Desire is written with a red string.
(2) Vmin wore matching red string bracelets.
(3) Vmin Soulmates/Them singing in Friends Part 1 about it being for eternity.
(4) Tae saying Jimin's eyes were Temptation (Forbidden fruit) during Blood Sweat and Tears video or when Tae was asked what he'd do in his non idol life and he said he'd be an apple seller and told Jimin to come and do it with him. Take your pick.
Anyways its all jokes & wild funny theories so don't take any of it too seriously. Seems Vmin shippers are winning over Taennie shippers right now. Come on Taennie's step it up. I also love how bored everyone is and spouting out off the wall shit. And how one group of shippers can't connect shit to their ship no matter how hard they try. Whomp Whomp sorry Tkk, better luck next time. You have to sit this one out AGAIN like every other time. I know they seething cause they never been able to connect a Tae song to JK. lol
Anyways, As a Jikooker I'm good, cause Jikook together right now. I'm just enjoying the conspiracy party.
Here's where I splash water on his and your face to get a grip
JIMIN IS MARRRRRRRIIIIIIIIEEEDDDDDTTTTTT
Baby boy move on.
Don't support Jennie for you but at least that's moving on. Power to you😩
Yall shouldn't stress me and Jungkook out like this🥲
If he were here he'd explain to yall how Vmin are friends Frensh ppl frensh 🤧
Ooooooohhh thank God I thought you were serious there for a sec🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Interesting analysis A for effort I like it
Vminers it's our time to shine 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
Go crazy with the theories 🤭
Personally want him to put out a song to tie everything in neatly regarding his friendship with Jimin with all the enmeshment and roller-coaster emotions involved. Would be nice to bring it all to a climax no? Just a nice letting go kinda song.
Who knows, perhaps it started out as friendship then he'd entertained the possibility of it being more, then he'd moved on as he matured and came to love and understand himself better. Now he's healed found love somewhere else and would always have a special place in his heart reserved for his best friend.
That's a song I'll definitely cry to🤭
But honey it's 2024 we not doing that same old unrequited love story no more free me Tae😭😭😭😭
Also I'm here for the chaos🤣
Jimin explaining to death how Tae is crazy and Jungkook cussing him out all the way from camp🤣
Aaah I miss this drama
I feel alive again
Thanks Anon🤭
NB: like Anon said no one shud take any of this seriously. We are just delulus doing our delulu things
Off to read some vmin fics🙂
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https://www.tumblr.com/thoughtsonkm/764170157691191296/i-can-see-vmin-shippers-arguments-about-the-eyes?source=share
Oh vmin shippers, so beyond help atp. Clutching at straws. Literally.
The pic Jimin took in the show clearly shows that the billboard is not Tae’s eyes, not that they ever were.his eyes are too narrow, the nose too different.
It’s not hinting at a collab with vmin. Or even a Jikook collab probably. Who is a song about finding love, the billboard is significant because it falls in his path and changes Jimins direction. The best analysis I saw of this is andywm, and calicocat on twitter. It doesn’t matter about whose eyes they are, but the significance of the drop. If they are anyone’s eyes though they are JKs. Keep going is a common phrase, it’s used in the show potentially as a link but let’s be real here, again it’s Jikooks show not vmins, the photo background used in CT before jeju was ever conceptualised.
The theory presented about Taeyang tracks because Jimin loves the song that concept is used it, he’s sung it many a time. He worked with him last year and that’s his idol. I can see him doing something similar, which he did, he just left us guessing, the slytherin he is
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Jimin playing games with us? Never heard of such a thing..
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Taehyung's beautiful "Rainy Days" (Song Analysis)
*taps mic* is this thing on?
Well...it's been a while, hasn't it? We've been silent but we are still very much around, still listening to the Tannie's music, watching all the content, still loving vmin and namjin, we watched all streamable D-Day concerts, the Disney+ movies, all of it, we've just basically been keeping our ARMY time to ourselves.
But then came Tae.
But then came Rainy Days. And we were lured back here to scream a little at what we've gotten.
And yes, before the inevitable anons come to try and discredit everything in this post, yes we are aware that (so far) Tae doesn't have any writing credits on the songs on Layover, Love Me Again and Rainy Days. But try as you might, no one can ignore just how vmin coded Rainy Days is and how specific some of the references are. Everyone picked up on it, regardless if they were a vminie, OT7 non-shipper, or even a xkooker. Posts crying about and pointing toward Park Jimin being the one were everywhere and honestly, I've missed moments like there.
So, Rainy Days, huh, let's talk about the vmin references, shall we?
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First of all, can we talk about just how gorgeous and atmospheric Rainy Days is? And how very Taehyung it is? Because it just fits him truly so perfectly, just like Love Me Again does. I love how the soft mellowness of the song contrasts with the brutalistic architecture of the building shown in the MV, the old-school iMac, and the little Pomeranian acting as Yeontan. I did get tricked into thinking it was Yeontan until Tae did his live and told us, nope, that's Rocky, a doggy looking very close to how Yeontan does since he couldn't travel with Tae. We know Yeontan has health issues, so I should've guessed as much, but either way, it is absolutely adorable how much love for Yeontan is in Tae's debut as solo artist. Find you someone that'll love you as much and as deeply as Tae loves Yeontan. I'll wait.
I love the use of the iPhone sounds within the song, the notification tone as well as the typing sound, though it isn't very fitting (it also reminds me of vmin, how they enjoy FaceTiming, texting and calling each other) for someone who was the Samsung Galaxy ambassador ha ha. Wonder what Yoongi had to say about that.
But moving along to the lyrics, as well as two moments from the MV itself, there are a few vmin references that are hard to ignore. And they were "obvious" enough that basically everyone picked up on them.
The first little thing, and this one could very well be a reach, is this Little Prince/Jimin connection. In the MV Tae falls asleep watching TV and we're shown clips of a fox and a flower which immediately made everyone think of the fox and flower from the Little Prince, and then also the moment in the first season of In the Soop when Tae and Hobi went on their little trip and spotted a mural/poster for the Little Prince. Adorable.
Then in the second verse we have Tae singing the following line:
We can start again, open all the doors
The mention of doors made me perk up because it instantly reminded me of this line in Sweet Night:
That I still hope the door is open
So it feels like, if Rainy Days really is a vmin song, it would either play before Sweet Night, or after, when something came between them but Tae wanted a second chance, still had a hope that they could be together and that all things aren't lost yet.
Now this, who do we know basically laughs at anything and everything Tae says, who has mentioned time and again that Tae is the funniest, like in one of the RUN episodes he mentioned how Tae had been making him laugh all day as well's throughout the filming? That's right, our boy Jimin.
Don't believe me? Well, check out this thread and see for yourself.
Next we have the line:
You're my four-leaf clover
Do I really need to explain this one? In a BB or memories DVD, I don't remember exactly, we had a moment when Tae was looking for a four-leafed clover and Jimin, to surprise and make him happy, went and acted as though he'd found one for it (though it wasn't a real four leaf one) which made Tae happy anyway. Years later for their performance of HOME, standing in front of what appeared to be a reference to the Mirror or Erised, we saw vmin wearing matching four-leaf clover necklaces with Tae appearing next to Jimin as though he was what Jimin's heart desired the most.
Then in the MV we have a scene where Tae is in some kind of art room creating. Eventually he picks up a baguette, which points for originality, and uses it to paint a Vante art piece showing a painting that looks like an alien with its little antennas. And who reclaimed the alien "nickname" just a few years and and who is basically the only one who can still call him that? Exactly. Jimin.
Speaking of whom, further in the lyrics we get this line:
Those hurtful words
And sure, perhaps I'm delulu and reaching, whatever, let me have fun, but still that line reminded me of something. FESTA 2020 where Jimin spoke about how he was sorry for the things in the past, how they were buddies back then (I'm still waiting for him to elaborate on that one, they were buddies back then so, Jiminie, what are you now? Care to share?) and got into a lot of disagreements and how he now feels sorry for the harsh words he used with Tae. And Harsh words can very much be hurtful. So another potential reference?
At the end of the day, as I mentioned before, Tae doesn't have writing credits on Rainy Days but, as you just read, those things just fit a little too well to be just a coincidence, right? So perhaps, just like they'd done with Chingu years prior, maybe Tae sat down with the producers/lyricist and told them what he wants in the song?
And that would be it. We're both extremely excited for the rest of Layover, for the next 3 (!!!) MVs, and all the promo Tae mentioned he has planned (based on ideas and things he saw ARMY had mentioned wishing for) and if he'll have writing credits on any of the songs. But it is a little strange to me how Tae has been so outspoken about working on and writing songs for his mixtapes for years, how he'd shown us snippets from his songs, and yet now as we are getting his debut album, no writing credits (so far). Guess we shall wait and see.
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Hey I’m new to bts and I love Jikook although I don’t believe they’re a couple yet because. My friend advised me to watch the original bts content before watching the shipper videos because they’re misleading. I’ve been watching all vlives, bang tan bombs, award shows, Bon voyage, and ITS. When I watched all those, I noticed that Jimin gives Tae more attention than any other member, I noticed that Jk gives Jin, and Tae more attention, V gives Jimin and Jhope more attention. I also noticed that the way Jikook communicate is normal and nothing suspicious about it. I then decided to watch Jikook videos because I accidentally watched one when I was searching for Jimin’s song serendipity and came across the Jikook serendipity analysis. I’m now in the rabbit hole. I came across your page and you talked about “the news article that was ready to out Jkk’s relationship back in 2018”. I just wanted to know where you heard that and if there is any proof because I’m a person who doesn’t dwell on conspiracies but rather proof. Another thing, did they really get married because most of the videos mentioned how they got married during their trip to Tokyo. Another thing, are there any pictures of them hangout and living together. Thank you.
You watched BV and noticed Jimin gives V more attention? You watched original content and noticed that JK gives V and Jin more attention?
I am so confused as to what you're talking about. I would bite if u said JK giving Jin more attention but V? What exactly are u watching? Are you sure its not that shipper content that you say you're avoiding? Specifically tkk content? Which ftr you will rarely find Jikook manipulated content. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but its rare. We don't need to manipulate. They give us everything on a silver platter.
I shared the dispatch thing not long before this scroll lower u will see it. No, Jikook are not married. They can't be married. And even if they did it wouldn't be recognised in SK. And at the time of them going to Tokyo, Japan hadn't recognised gay marriage yet. Jikook married as far as I know its something Jikookers like to say coz they act like a married couple. But they have been spotted with matching rings on more than one occasion which is a reason for suspicion.
I already don't like u from your V comment but sure let's look at a few things.
I always bring this up because no one ever talks about it but I honestly love it so much and it really tickled me.
BV season 5 episode 6. Vmin sleep on the bed
JK makes the bed the next morning. Because Jimin is one spoilt boyfriend, alright? But when Vmon slept on that same bed, JK told them
JK definitely favoured Jimin over V there anon.
Run BTS episode 71 JK makes a big pancake for Jimin because he had a penalty to do
The kicker is though, anon. That Jin too was doing the same penalty.
Why didn't JK make him a pancake too? Doesn't that seem like JK played favourites with Jimin and not Jin? 🤔
In the Soop season 1 episode 6. We found out V asked JK to speak casually with him
But JK refused because;
Meanwhile we have him going Jiminah! Jimin! Jiminssi! Everywhere all the time. So again anon, JK refused V one thing but has no issue doing it with Jimin.
Bon voyage season 3 episode 4 after Tkk did laundry they went upstairs and JK only checked on Jimin.
He did not check on Jin behind him.
At this point I'm just offended that you haven't picked up on my favourite thing about Jikook and that's satellite Jeon/Jikook. You don't even need compilations to see this. Anything you watch. Anything at all. They are always next to eo. Always.
They're literally always together. And JK always chooses Jimin. Not V and not Jin. Not anyone else. No matter what you watch.
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Me thinks you need to rewatch what you already did because you missed everything.
Like Mizgator said, you're blind if you don't see it
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Vminies also ignore Taennie. Some said at the start of the leaks, they were more scared of Taennie proving Vmin is not real, then Jikook or TK, but they still adopted the same mentality Tkk did, the more leaked pics came out & then after paris, they double downed on Vmin like tkk did with TK, to keep their ships alive. They're convinced Tae was wearing that shirt with JIM on it at the airport, after the leaks, confirming he loves Jimin, but how Jn eventually ruined Vmin's closeness & Face is about Jm's anger over Taennie & why Tae was silent about Face, cause it was awkward for Tae to hype it. And Layover is about Tae apologizing to Jm about Jn/Paris & why Vmin were suddenly super close again after Layover & Tae confirmed Vmin with Fri(end)s cause he wants to move forward as more then Friends with Jm. I don't exactly fault them for thinking some of this, cause Tae has said sus things about Jm in the past & could've chosen any song & title he doesn't share with Jm already. but that's Typical troll Tae tho. He likes to keep shippers guessing & they all eat it up lol.
The point still stands. Vminies are hypocrites, who act holier than thou, esp toward jkk. I wonder why. Maybe because at the end of the day, they can't explain why Jikook showed off a Hickey in Tae's face & bragged about it, the same way Tkk can't explain it & neither can explain why Jikook enlisted with each other over Tae or explain why Jikook spend couple holidays together over Tae. The struggle is real for Tkk & Vmin shippers no matter what analysis they come up with, cause they both have a common threat that isn't going away. JIKOOK. They should focus their energy on Taennie & just be happy for Tae, cause the poor guy looked really happy with her, esp when he was walking through the airport to go see her in Paris, but they're selfish shippers & don't care.
I'll be honest, I adore Troll!Tae. He says and does things to rile up and infuriate shippers of every kind, and he's even said and done sus things regarding Jin and Suga, because he knows about Taejin and Taegi. He lurks everywhere, he knows what ARMY is up to, and we can't forget that the line of moon phases down Jimin's back came from fanart that Tae sent to him. That means Tae cruises through fanart posts, too.
Vminnies and TKKs and all the other ships are hateful of Jikook because it's undeniable. I really hope that when the time comes when the guys go public with their partners (including Tae and his GF, whoever she ends up being), the cultists and the shippers resist the urge to be their excessively toxic selves. Death threats to someone just because a Tannie loves them is absolutely bonkers. Don't they realize that if they hurt the object of a Tannie's affection, they're hurting the Tannie, too? That includes death threats to other members like Jimin, poor soul, who gets so much shit it's unreal.
Other shippers need to just stay in their lanes. They can be crazy on their own time.
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Hi! When did you become a fan?
Did you use to be an army or jikooker?
Hi anon, when did i become a fan of ? bts? or jimin? well, i knw bts since early 2021 (i saw them trending in 2020 but didn't felt like checking them out then) and im fan of jimin always. His performances, solo songs, his vocals, his charisma always stood out to me. To me, he is an inspiration, he is more than an idol i still remember the day i saw a show? interview? of him where i got to know he slept for 2&1/2hours and went to school then practiced rigorously, that an insane amount of hardwork he did there. I used to be more of jm-biased back then but after 2022 (especially with you ost) im not anymore biased but stan.
this is one of many thoughtful, inspiring things he said. army? nah, well i'd be honest, when i saw bts fans named as army i was like why army? as you know when someone says army irl not on stan sm, we remember military right idk i didnt felt that connection of the fd name but it is what it is, i can say used to be bts fan but not army. jkkr? uhmm, i used to follow jkkr blogs here i was curious about shipping culture and after 2020 memories release i saw twts on jkk, then somehow landed here. Shipping was like something fascinating to me back then, like how these ppl are doing analysis etc, but when i started seeing old bts contents i noticed all have same moments/chemistry (even jk said similar on this recently) and its not i was just on jkkr spaces i used to see vmin etc i noticed they all have same thoughts lol but anyway, i gt out of that shit pretty soon and i realised im here for music and i dont have any business on his personal life like who he is with, im glad that i opened my eyes on what exactly bs company doing when it comes to him, not like being clouded as ot7s and also started resentment towards shippers on how they are when it comes to jm-hate etc etc.
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Hey there, it’s me again (your first anon🥰). Thanks for replying my ask. Did you hear Tae’s song (Maybe) that he played on his live? I don’t wanna be delulu but it sounded like a “Vmin” song. If you get time, can you please do a Vminhopekook analysis in Las Vegas, I feel like it had a lot of beautiful Vmin moments. Please keep posting. Have a wonderful day.
Hello again anon <3 and right after you asked me about vmin silence we did have that commercial shooting with our boys being all smiling and laughing I am resurfacing from my tomb. That moment really was so needed I'm going to buy xylitol gums or whatever that was I didnt pay much attention sorry but I will finance that stuff for this.
Oh sweet anon, I'm completely delulu about everything for vmin, I am Charlie from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
all the time, mostly to myself and sometimes to my friend who and I quote "get that they are really close and they are beautiful but I don't see anything romantic going on, they just have a beautiful friendship" and my second friend who I also quote told me that "it's time for them to marry and have a family". I live in a very harsh world.
But I digress. How much I love Taehyung's "Maybe" song? Yes. It's so like him, the jazzy soul atmosphere, his deep amazing voice that fits that genre so nicely, god bless his parents. And the lyrics. Okay so I spent an hour at work reading about soulmates and twin flames (didn't have much to do tbh) and I get that they are not the same thing but it's another way to describe a very very intense and intimate relationship with another person. This is what I found in an article online "Have you ever met somebody who completely changed the course of your life? (me reading this "omg bts") it might have been your twin flame. They might not be your usual type but you do fall for them hard. This is a person with whom you have such an intense connection it feels nothing short of a catalyst of spiritual growth". And from the lyrics someone said this to Taehyung so unless this is a song who takes inspiration from a movie or someone else story I don't see Tae having another person who can tell him that apart from Jimin. so that's my delulu opinion.
I will absolutely make a post about that live, that was epic, I got you anon, don't worry <3 I will probably finish the first season of In the Soop and make some analysis of shorter contents like video shooting or interviews and then I will do that for sure
Have a happy weekend anonny <3
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Are you excited for vmin song ???? I’m definitely not ready and I’m already crying 😭😭😭😭
I can't wait. It's so wonderful that they are finally releasing a song together. I can remember when Taehyung was rejected from singing a Christmas song with Jimin but now to this, officially releasing a song together? Things are really looking up and I'm glad to see they have finally given in to them.
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So out of all the maknae line ships do u think vmin is the most probable or do u just ship vmin and thats why u make analysis?
Maybe this ask doesn’t warrant a long answer? I think you’re just asking simply, but I got carried away.
I couldn’t say I think Vmin is the most probable out of the maknae line ships. On the big if there is a relationship within BTS (among the members), I think it’s possible that Vmin could be. However, I can see reason to believe that any of the other maknae line pairings (or nearly any BTS pairing) could be for that matter.
I think who seems the most ‘real’ to you can depend on a lot of things, and something that might make one pairing seem real to someone might make them not seem real to another. (The only way to know for sure who they are dating is they openly tell us. Then that makes it 100% real whether it’s someone in the group or not.)
For me, and the reason I make the analysis, I just like the way Vmin feel. It’s less about how I think they’re together and more about how I adore some things about their relationship. I like the way they feel to me better than I do with Jik**k or Taek**k (though I don’t have a problem with either pairing).
And when it comes to JK, I enjoy his ships with the hyung-line more. Because his relationship with Vmin (to me) sometimes feels a little less on the soft side, while Vmin feels very soft sometimes (though they have their not-so-soft moments - see ISAC 2017). The JK x hyung pairings feel softer than Jik**k or Taek**k.
If you don’t like the soft-feeling or ‘I’m dating my best friend’ kind of relationship, it would make sense that you wouldn’t ship Vmin. I know there are a lot of people who believe in the ‘friend-zone’ and who would never date their best friend. And that might be why a lot of people overlook vmin. Because they call each other their best friend all the time. However, my sister is married to her best friend, and I love the relationship she has with him. Two of my friends, who were best friends, are also married. And these two couples, out of all the couples I know, have the strongest relationships I know. So that’s probably why I enjoy Vmin over most other ships. Because their relationship matches those in my own life that I admire.
I’ve also been around since BTS debut. I’ve loved Vmin from the beginning, but they weren’t my favorite at the start. My favorite at first was J*nmin and N*mtae for Jimin and Taehyung ships. It was watching them over the years that made me like Vmin the most.
Personal reasons for shipping Vmin aside, they have very realistic reasons for us to ship them as well. (This may be something you can argue for any ship, but I’m not going to get into all that.) The songs are a big thing that gets me to feel like there’s something there.
I don’t think that every BTS song is something the group has personally experienced. They have a big part in writing their songs (probably more now than when they began), but they still have other people writing for them, too. Or helping them write, anyway. The lyrics come from many experiences (and this is true for nearly every musician. Many musicians write songs from other people’s experiences). I think there are songs that are less personal to them (though as BTS moves forward more and more songs feel more personal - probably as they take a bigger part in the creative process).
Anyway. Back to Vmin and songs. When a song is personal, it’s always the ones that BTS wrote themselves with relation to something specific about them. When 4 o’clock was first released, we didn’t get to hear a lot about it. Namjoon talked a little about helping Taehyung write the song, but we never got to hear anything from Taehyung about the song. It wasn’t until their Unit Interview about Friends that we heard anything from Taehyung. The only thing he gave us then was that the song was written about the dumpling incident, but he didn’t say anything else about the song. It was an interview about Friends, not about 4 o’clock, but he at least confirmed what Namjoon posted (and then deleted) back when 4 o’clock was originally released. It was about Jimin.
Then we have Taehyung announcing to everyone on Vlive that he wanted to sing a romantic duet (which he wrote) with Jimin, but one of their producers told him that he couldn’t do it because the lyrics wouldn’t make sense if it was two men singing it. They recommended one of the female composers who can also sing, and Taehyung showed a small part of the song with her singing the part that he presumably wanted Jimin to sing. During this live, he was clearly upset. If you’re any good at reading emotions at all, you can tell that he was upset talking about the song. Regardless if he and Jimin are in a relationship, and regardless if he is gay (we aren’t going to go into either one of those things), the producer denying his wish to sing the song with Jimin clearly hurt. Regardless of his reasons for wanting to sing with Jimin. And this becomes a Vmin song because he specifically said he wanted to share it with Jimin. Not one of his members. Not some other male artist. Jimin. (And him talking about this in the live sort of felt like an at least partially unfiltered act of rebellion).
And finally, we have Friends. A song with a platonic title, but some deep meaning lyrics. I’ll set the whole soulmate thing aside because that’s arguably platonic as well. It’s the lyrics like: “for eternity, keep staying here” “after the cheers die down, stay” “we are each other’s mysteries” “I know everything about you” And when they are given an opportunity to talk about these songs, they don’t really give us any information. Rather than talking about the actual lyrics of the song, Vmin used Friends as an excuse to reminisce about their old days. We don’t get to hear about them staying together. And we certainly don’t get to hear what’s so mysterious about them, because then it wouldn’t be special, right?
And now since I’m talking about the possibility of relationship between Vmin, I’m going to say this. It’s the fact that they write romantic-like lyrics about each other, but only brings up the friendly ones when talking about the songs. The closest thing we got to them talking about romantic lyrics was Taehyung complaining about being told that it wouldn’t make sense for Jimin to sing romantic lyrics with him.
As I’ve mentioned in an ask before. It feels like they want to put in meaningful lyrics to each other in the songs they release, but they try to keep it on a friendly level when talking about it. That’s not me saying that Vmin’s songs to and about each other (or the ones they wish to sing together) are hard evidence of a relationship. But it’s definitely something that shows a bond beyond a typical friendship.
I do appreciate all BTS pairings, however. And I can talk all day every day about any of them. It’s just that Vmin is the one that I resonate with the most. Although any ship can seem as realistic as they do depending on who’s observing and what they’re observing, I just like Vmin the best.
Thanks for the ask!
#answered#koala answers#vmin#vmin analysis#and is it just me or is dating your best friend more common in the lgbt community?#because a lot of my gay friends would or have or are dating their best friend#because like#a lot of us have to become best friends with someone to even know if they're gay#like straight people have it so easy#they can date someone they hardly know#but like#gay dating culture is a little different#isn't it?#it seems that way to me...#reasons#vmin songs
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Omggg omgg Tae's album is finally coming this month😭😭😭. I'm so fkng excited! I just hope we get some vmin crumbs since we have been starving for so long. Manifesting Jimin related content in KTH1. I miss your analysis too. Wish you were as active here as in the past.
Aaaaaah! Yes it's finally coming! And videos for every song! 😳😍 It would be lovely with some Vmin indeed. But also just waiting for Tae's album for years and now finally getting it makes me so excited and curious.
As for writing analysis.... I am so sorry for not doing much. The biggest issue is that I still need to buy a new computer. Mine broke in October and I still haven't been able to buy a new one even though it's been forever. 😩 (Everything is so expensive atm so it takes forever to save up, and I don't have a job right now which sucks).
Basically it's just a lot more difficult for me to write long pieces on the phone.
Also now during the summer I have been away a lot, to some places that barely have internet. But I totally understand why you are waiting for me to post... I am sorry for being away. 💜 There are definitely interesting asks and of course old topics that I still want to post about... 👀 And Tae's new song titles looks interesting as well.
Thank you for the ask (and to others who has kept sending asks as well). 💜
Let's be excited for Layover together! 🥰
#vmin#jimin#taehyung#kim taehyung#taehyung album#layover#kth1#BTSandVMIN#BTSandVMIN ask#2023.08.08#btsandvmin#btsandvmin ask#btsandvmin answer
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Snow Flower - Comparison
Hello! I hope you're having a wonderful winter holidays season!
We've been blessed by Vmin this Christmas with not one, but two Christmas songs!! And when I listened to the songs, I noticed some cute similarities and common themes.
So we're going to see how Snow Flower echoes Christmas Love and some other songs (especially Friends and Blue & Grey) !
Fanart Credits [x]
Post below the cut !
Snow Flower (SF) begins with the anticipation of the arrival of snow, paralleled with the arrival of the loved one :
Hey snow It’s coming today What should I prepare I’m ready for at least one thing — to greet you, ok
Christmas Love (CL) also begins with the arrival of snow, and the fact that the person has waited long for this :
Oh I been waitin’ for this Christmas Day My heart is already onto these white streets Last night in my dream, it snowed Under the blanket, I waited for you all day
It mentions the streets colored white by snow. SF also mentions the gray streets (the “gray canvas”), which the snow blankets :
Gray Canvas, on top of it, fallin If you blanket it for me, it’ll be all good I’ll give the world to you
SF then openly mentions Blue and Grey, and echoes the song :
In this cold season, Your coming to me is a special event To the warm you who will melt my blue and grey
B&G :
Melt me, a frozen me My hand that I’ve stretched out countless times is a colourless echo
Then, the “I love you” from SF echoes the “I love you” from CL. And the lyrics “Christmas without you would just not be Christmas at all / Bright mistletoes up above us, it’s just you and me“ can be echoing 4 O’Clock :
it’s just you and me Me and you
Then we have this segment from SF, and there’s a lot to unpack. The context is of course this whole pandemic situation (the “paused times”) and the loved one is melancholic :
The whole world gets filled up with white flowers, making our time even more special In these paused times, I wish that the flowers come down, onto your sad smile
Of course I immediately thought of Friends :
We’re each other’s mystery Would it be why it’s more special
In CL, the pause of time is also mentioned, but in the sense that the person wishes for this good moment to last :
I try running as fast as I can, like that child over there I feel like flying up in the sky over those clouds If someone were to hear my story, would you please pause the time as it is
If in SF the person wishes for snow to fall onto the loved one’s smile, in CL the person also wishes for snow to fall into his day :
Like the white snow, falling falling, you come down, into my day
The themes of the “cold hands” and “faded colors” from B&G come again in SF (”I’ll spread out these faded colors”) and the wish for this moment to last :
Please feel the warmth next to me Please hold me with your cold, gentle hands I’ll continue to keep you safe Forever, with you, I’ll let the white snow fall on me
In CL, the wish for Christmas to last is also linked with the on-going metaphor of the loved one :
Oh you’re the one I wish today lasts forever
And Friends also carries this wish, which echoes SF with the theme of reccurence (SF : With you, I’ll bring a warm gift / Every time this season comes back) :
Forever, keep staying here, hey / Seven summers and cold winters, and more to come
And to end this comparison post, SF, CL and Friends wish for the loved one to stay...
CL :
Please stay in my heart for a long time /
To be honest, I’m scared that you might leave Because today is short, for me who’ve been waiting for you, for just a bit more, could you stay
SF :
Please stay by my side
Friends :
Someday, when these cheers die down, stay hey Stay with me by my side
This is it for this comparison post! I hope you enjoyed it! Snow Flower is such a beautiful song, full of meaning and beautiful imagery. Vmin spoiled us this season!!
Disclaimer : I don’t understand korean so my analysis is based on fan translations. Also, it is purely personal!
Happy Holidays again!~
#Translations are from Doolsetbangtan and Wisha!#Vmin#Song analysis#Snow Flower#Christmas Love#Friends#Blue & Grey#nekathyranalysis#2020
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Since when and why are you an army and like vmin? :)
ive liked bts since 2016 when a youtuber I followed reacted to fire. ive been lowkey following their music since 2017 bcuz a very close friend of mine became an army after dna went viral and used to share a lot of bts mvs and songs with me. i started watching bts edits and clips in 2019 when a twt moot became a minjoon biased army and i had bts content all over my tl, and ive kept up with them ever since lol. but i couldn't Properly get into them until the lockdown in 2020 when I finally sat down and listened to all their songs and watched their performances. i think the BST mv + stage performances rlly solidified my love for them.
I watched a lot of bts compilation vids as well and rlly imo I think once you start watching bts content, there's just No turning back from there. they're so sincerely charming as ppl on top of having a Very solid discography theres no way out loool. in this bangtan sonyeondan shit for life, as a truly wise person once said. and ik in general most yt vids suck and include a lot of stereotypes for members and i don't recommend them as your intro to bts at All but there's So Many Cute ones as well. bts interview compilations, bts taking care of eo compilations, bts being funny compilations, etc. still i switched over to the original content quick enough lol, and there's So Much of it idt I'll ever be caught up entirely.
id say id joined and started interacting with the fandom by may 2020. bcuz i remember theorizing about the countdown to D-2 and screaming about spotting jinkook in the daechwita mv on the tl loool.
my bias has been jimin from the very beginning. ive been crying about how beautiful and wonderful he is since 2019 and im genuinely in love with him in a very best friend way (tae gets it). i think the first bts song i had on loop for a Month straight was filter lol. i saw this one edit by stussyjimin on twt that I was Obsessed with and ive been jimin biased ever since.
joon was my bias wrecker for a while bcuz he is genuinely so charming?? and Smart??? and his lyricism?? is out of this world?? and those yt compilations of him being patient with all the members rly made me love him sm
after i started watching videos of All members during the lockdown tho, i realized i was So Endeared by tae as well. he made me so Fond of him. he's always so sincerely Him. funny and strange and attentive and sweet and Observant. and then i watched a sweet night × tangled edit on twt and his voice??? was so Soothing?? i fell in love with him in a very best friend way too(jimin gets it). he's been my bias wrecker ever since ;-;-;-
when it comes to shipping, i started off as a moonfairy bcuz of the twt moot i mentioned lol. there was a Lot of soft minimoni content at the time, the kitchen run ep, the vlive, promise making behind the scenes and i found them So cute. i think id sat and watched All tae and jimin ship compilation vids at the time tbh. esp taejoon and minjoon. at heart, for some time, i was also a simple vminjoonist.
however as u know eventually yt starts reccing the analysis vids. and Those put me off both jkk and tkk so thoroughly ive never been able to get into the two ships again ;-;-;- it was very frustrating to want to watch minimoni compilations and have yt only recommend slowed down zoom ins on Proof That jkk/tkk Real. the comment section for these videos were also especially awful im ngl. the whole experience made me so sour i quit watching ship compilations on yt entirely. ;-;-;-;
i got into vmin specifically after i first Properly heard the soulmate anthem with lyrics and went ?!?!?!? this + the June 2020 Avalanche of vmin content turned me into a vminie. vmin content doesn't rlly filter into the ot7 spaces as much, so you've to Rlly go looking for it. i think after the unit interview 4 o'clock revelation i got curious about vmin and went ahead and found the small corner of vminies in the fandom bcuz even in June 2020 there Weren't very many of us here lol.
the old vminies kept talking about how vmin had changed over the years, so I went back to watch the old bangtan bombs to pay attention to vmin in particular. and like, once you See it, you can't Unsee it. ive talked about this before, but vmin have gone from The most rowdy best friends who roughouse for fun to The most gentle and tender soulmates and the transition is so ?!?!?!?!?
i think This particular video rlly converted me to vminism and idk why it's not talked about as much
firstly, how does one even reconcile 2014 vmin with This vmin lol. secondly, what even is going on in this video. "when you were dancing i was watching you." "you were?" "ive been watching the whole time." "don't look at me!!" spoken in the softest voices. i couldn't get this out of my head for Days!!! tae is so awed!!! jimin is so shy!!! they're so tender!! why!!!
consuming seven years worth of vmin content where they're just loving eo, comforting eo, writing songs for eo and just declaring over and over that they're The most special to eo even tho they used to fight the Most rlly got me further in. i watched run eps and bon voyages and bts episodes and bangtan bombs. i stalked the vmin archive. @btsandvmin's blog also helps, it's quite well organized. and they have a very Balanced approach towards shipping.
the vmin evolution!!! vmins bond!!! all their moments!!! rlly made me love them sm
for anyone newly getting into vmin, I will Always say watch vmin clips from the source content instead of in isolation. that's the One thing ive always done, bcuz context is very important and also, most vmin content is even more precious With context ;-;-;-
when you realize the sheer number of Times vmin have expressed in big and small ways how much they mean to eo. you Can't not love them. i adore vmin sm i adore their bond i adore how much they love eo there's rlly no way to Not love them tbh.
thank you anon for this ask, i loved answering it <33333
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Let’s talk about ‘Friends’ by BTS
by Admin 1
Friends is the subunit song by Jimin and Taehyung (co-written and co-produced by Jimin) from Map of the Soul : 7 which was released in February 2020. Interestingly enough, the Korean title is actually 친구, a word that is only used for friends of the same age, which is how ARMY figured out that it had to be their subunit prior to the release of the album.
On a very surface level, Friends is about the bond between Jimin and Taehyung recounting different little stories over the years, including the now famous dumpling incident which was first presented to us as a conflict that merely took up a few hours. Actually though it was a conflict that grew big enough that Jimin and Taehyung barely spoke to each other for two weeks and it culminated in Jimin getting drunk with Yoongi and then meeting Taehyung at a park at 4 am to make up. Yes, the same park at 4 am that Taehyung and Namjoon sing about in 4 O’Clock. That song, like many suspected, really was about Jimin and Taehyung as well.
But, while Friends might seem simple and fun on the outside, especially due to the upbeat melody and anthem like chorus, I think there is far more to it than meets the eye. Stella Jang, who co-wrote the lyrics, said in an interview with K-Pop Herald that BigHit sent her an email which contained the song as well as long stories about Jimin’s and Taehyung’s bond and based on that she was supposed to write short lyrics. She also had a friend, who is an ARMY, help her truly understand the depth of their bond. That alone to me shows that this goes far deeper than most might assume, and others wish for it.
Hello my alien We’re each other’s mystery Would it be why it’s more special
This verse for me is very interesting, especially since Jimin reclaims a nickname that people used to call Taehyung by which he hated. Instead Jimin turned it into something endearing, something that now belongs to them instead of others. It’s also noteworthy that that specific line is in English, not Korean, and he says my alien, so basically telling the listener that he takes some kind of claim over Taehyung, connects them in a way that anyone would understand, and unmistakably highlights that he’s the only one to call him like this because Taehyung is special to him, much the way you’d call someone dear to you/someone you love by an endearment such as ‘my darling’ or ‘my love’.
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The mystery part could refer to the early days of their friendship, the times when they were just getting to know each other and trying to figure out their dynamic and each other in a more general sense. We know they almost instantly became friends, stuck to each other and spent a lot of time together, despite constantly getting in little fights, but perhaps those struggles were what made the end result that much more special to them. Interesting to note is also how Jimin once said that when he saw Tae for the first time he experienced many different emotions (he didn’t specify which ones though), and how to this day he remembers Tae only wearing those red shorts and snapback and how even then he already looked like an idol/celebrity.
But the line could also refer to something more recent, or something more overarching, like a secret about themselves that only they know about, that they share and guard together.
Someday, when these cheers die down, stay hey Stay with me by my side Forever, keep staying here, hey
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Someday, when these cheers die down, stay hey You are my soulmate Forever, keep staying here, hey You are my soulmate
These two might just be the most important parts of the song, and the ones that seem to be the hardest to swallow for some. This is basically Jimin and Taehyung asking each other to stay together forever, even when (or especially when) their careers will be over and BTS won’t be such a main and overarching reason for them to stay by each other anymore, so to speak. It implies that what they have is something they want to last forever, that it reaches far beyond them just being two best friends inside a group, but that they are rather two people who found ‘their person’ in each other. They know they’ve found something one of a kind, once in a lifetime, and want to hold on to it, to each other. It’s also them proclaiming and reminding everyone once again that they are soulmates, that this isn’t just something ARMY made up, some shipping agenda or anything like it, but that it is truly the title they see most fit for each other, that it basically feels like their bond was destiny and they were always meant to be together. You are my soulmate is also in English, something that every listener will understand, something so important they specifically made it this way so you wouldn’t need to look up translations from Korean to get it.
Sidenote--somehow soulmate has become a very debated term in connection to vmin so lets look at the definition for soulmate that wikipedia gives us: A soulmate is a person with whom one has a feeling of deep or natural affinity. This may involve similarity, love, romance, platonic relationships, comfort, intimacy, sexuality, sexual activity, spirituality, compatibility and trust. Most of these are rather connected to the most traditional way in which people imagine soulmates, as in two people destined for each other, lovers perfect for one another. Of course there are friendship type soulmates, but those are far more rare in peoples minds. The point I’m getting at is that Jimin and Taehyung never defined which type of soulmate they are, and until I saw non-vminies have a fight about how they’re definitely just platonic ones, I never even really saw the word soulmate in connection with ‘platonic’. In a way you could argue that both sides are right, that they are both friendship soulmates but also romantic ones as well, their bond encompassing both. But in the end, of course, that’s something only they can confirm yet I thought I’ll mention it anyway.
Like your pinky, we’re still the same I know your everything We must trust each other Don’t forget Instead of an obvious thank-you, you and I — let’s promise that we won’t fight tomorrow, for real
These lines may seem so simple, short and sweet, but I think there is a lot of meaning to them, a lot that’s written between the lines and potentially only something they understand the true extent of. I know your everything is another reminder that they are each others secret keepers, each others closest confidants, their person to go to and laugh or cry or celebrate with. Jimin and Taehyung have something that is rare, one of a kind, and it’s something beautiful that should be regarded with respect and wonder since it’s close to a miracle that they met and formed their bond in such a manner. After all Jimin is from Busan and Taehyung from Daegu, chances are, if BTS hadn’t happened, they might’ve never met, though looking at everything BTS have said about each other, they seem to believe they were all destined to meet regardless if as members of BTS or as normal people. The same most likely would’ve also have been the case for Jimin and Taehyung, and Friends is a beautiful piece of proof of that.
Many dismiss Friends as just a song about their friendship, but I think once you truly think about the lyrics and the thoughts that must’ve gone into it, you might change your mind. Even more so when you take into account what Namjoon said about Friends in his MOTS:7 vlive, how he wouldn’t even dare try writing any of the lyrics because he could never, ever do them justice, and how just thinking about the bond Taehyung and Jimin have, he gets goosebumps. That alone already says a lot, implies a lot of different things, very deep and (in my opinion) potentially more than just friends type things. There was also a moment during Bon Voyage 3 in Malta where Namjoon and Seokjin were at a restaurant together and somehow they brought up Taehyung and Jimin and both just shook their heads at how they are just--something, something apparently meaningful enough neither dared to voice it.
Friends might not be something you’d call a traditionally romantic or love song by any means, at least sound wise, but I’d argue the lyrics tell a completely different story, one of a bond that binds two souls, that combines friendship and love (both the love you have for a cherished friend, but also the one you feel for a romantic partner, I’d argue). The song, as well as 4 O’Clock are far more than meets the eye, you just have to be open and willing enough to see it.
After all Taehyung did say: “95z is love.” The biggest clue of them all.
(Lyric snippets taken from 친구 (Friends))
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I've been wondering something. Ok, so you know how Jk is always debunking tkkr stuff, right? But it seems like Jimin doesn't debunk yoonmin. In fact, yoonminers are thriving right now lol
Like if Tae or Jk talked about each other as much as Jimin talks about Suga, the shippers would explode. Or like how Jimin is participating with Yoongi in his promo stuff like the thing that Yoongi uploaded today where Jimin is scolding him. Or Jimin naming is mossball Suga. Just little random mentions.
If Jk or Tae did that in their stuff, Jikookers would be going insane. But literally no one is talking about yoonmin lol except yoonminers (and me, I guess).
I just don't get why Jimin talks about Yoongi all the time (like Tae does with Jk) except that Jimin is actively participating in stuff with Yoongi often, and not just name dropping like Tae does.
I hope this makes sense. It was hard to sort my thoughts out.
You need to understand one thing first. At first, most Yoonminers were Tkkrs because they needed somewhere to shove Jimin. Right? To keep him away from JK?? But Jikook continued to Jikook and so they became Jimin antis. You know how we call Jhope the Jikook president? Well, they used to call Jimin their president 😂😂
But now they loath him because they see what we see: JK's love and treatment for Jimin is way more and way different than that of any other member. Than that of V. So now I do think the majority of Yoonminers left are genuine ones. I mean they're wrong, they're always gonna be wrong...but I don't blame them for thinking Yoonmin is real.
As we have stated before many times, Suga is one sus mofo, alright? It is what it is.
Jikookers let me call u out for a second here while we are on the topic of name dropping, can we talk about the fact that Suga name drops Jimin ALL THE TIME and no one ever bats an eye? But wait until V name drops JK and all hell breaks loose
But okay, fine I get it. Tkkrs are pieces of shit who attack Jimin for the smallest things so u would rather V not do the thing. But, for all we know JK could be V's favourite member, right?
I mean, he's clearly not JK's favourite member but ain't nothing wrong with JK's being V's...no?
If Tae or JK did that in their stuff Jikookers would be going insane.
They would anon. They would and they will if some Tkk unit thingi happens. But u have to understand, the vermin are the root of all evil.
Did you know that Vminers think Vmin are married? Like genuinely. Like they literally think Jimin and V are married? Did you know that Jinkookers believe that Jin and JK are a thing? 🤢🤮 Like, legitimately? That the Osaka live it was Jin hiding in the bathroom? They have their own analysis and everything. And don't even get me started on Minimonis.
What am I saying? We have other hard-core Jimin and JK shippers out there but they are not as toxic as the vermin. I mean, don't go into their space and try to argue with them because they will eat you alive, but they believe what they believe and there ain't nothing we can do about it.
If Tae or JK talked about each other as much as Jimin talks about Suga, the shippers would implode.
True. But here's the thing. When Yoonmin are in the same room, we have bickering, Suga all over Jimin which again, no one seems to have an issue with, and we have them complimenting eo and just them being them. Which is something they've done for years. But when Jimin is just on his own talking about Suga, its about how much the dude supports him, its about work, mostly. Not all the time but mostly. But yes, Jimin does adore Suga, that much is clear. But....don’t forget, he adores other members too. Yes, Suga is his favourite rapper, yes, his favourite line out of all BTS songs is by Suga (JK was the only one who knew this btw) Yes, his Nevermind tattoo is from a verse by Suga, yes, he named his mosball Suga, and the list goes on. (Ps- Jimin appearing in Suga's skit while I'm sure both parties were down for it, it was the company's idea. So that doesn't count) But u won't catch Jimin treating Suga any different than he treats any other member. To add to this I'll post a screenshot of my friend who puts it perfectly
i.e: -Anyone with eyes can see Jimin is way closer to JK and Jhope than he is to Suga. -There's nothing for Jimin to debunk because Suga when he name drops Jimin he's not insinuating...well, things. And he tells it like it is. He doesn't exergerrate.
-Jimin treats Suga like he does other members.
-Jikookers have way more logic than the vermin and use their brains how they're supposed to; To think. And be smart.
Yoonminers are thriving right now lol.
Yes. I'm still side eying the company on these constant Yoonmin parings. Like why tf would Suga be promoting Busan with Jimin? Why not Jimin and JK?
They're the ones actually from Busan?!?!?!?!
Anyway, anon. At the end of the day, Tkkrs a.k.a the vermin are the problem. They're the issue. If they weren't so fucking mentally deficient, Jikookers wouldn't have an issue with certain things that V does. But alas!
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