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rockysavannah · 4 years ago

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Videl vs. Pan! A Bored Burp-Off!

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WARNING THIS STORY CONTAINS: Female Burping.

If you’re not into any of the above things, please do not read!

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This could be considered a distant sequel to 'Bulma vs Chi-Chi! A Baby Shower Burping Contest!'.

Pan and Videl are sitting at home one day, bored out of their minds. After a couple of accidental eructations from the pair, they decide to have a burping contest, with a wager set in place to make it more interesting. Will Videl achieve victory, or will her daughter dominate? There’s only one way to find out.

I hope you like it. Any constructive criticism in the comments section is welcome.

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Originally uploaded back on March 7th, 2017 on Writing.com.

This story was co-written with Jokermask18/JWAPPEL in my interactive.

Since Writing.com basically requires people to need a paid membership in order to do anything on their website, it’s practically impossible for many people to write and read there. Therefore, I’ve decided to post some of the chapters from my interactives onto my other accounts as full-fledged stories so that they can reach a wider audience.

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The Art of the Thumbnail is a blend of two images. (Since no one had drawn this concept...).

Videl by Seiya-Dbz-Fan.

Pan by Krizart-DA.

Text by me and Jokermask18/JWAPPEL.

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Son Videl, Son Pan, and Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, and Dragon Ball Super © Funimation, Toei Animation, Shueisha and Akira Toriyama

(A/N: This is a collaboration with Jokermask18 A.K.A. JWAPPEL.)

Content Advisory! This story contains:

Female Hyper Belching

Taunting

Series: Dragon Ball

Characters: Son Videl, Son Pan

Synopsis: Videl and Pan try to alleviate their boredom by having some gassy fun.

If you’re not into any of the above things, please do not read!

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It was a quiet Saturday afternoon for the family of Son Gohan. The man of the house was out on business, leaving his wonderful wife and daughter to fend off the onslaught of boredom by themselves. The duo engaged in a multitude of recreational activities—watching television shows and movies, playing video and board games, even training—but nothing could keep their interests for more than a few minutes at best. Both were currently lounging around in the living room, Pan lied half-asleep on the couch and Videl was playing with a paddleball. Videl checked the clock and her eyes widened at the time.

“Oh no, it’s almost dinner time!” she exclaimed, loudly enough to capture the attention of her daughter, “I better get cooking!”

“…Huh?” Pan muttered groggily, until the weight of those words truly hit her, “Wait, dinner?! That sounds great! I’m starving!”

The eleven-year-old girl’s sudden burst of energy got a small chuckle out of her mother, “Well, you’ll have to ‘starve’ for a little longer, because it’ll take awhile to make enough food to satisfy your appetite.”

Pan’s lips curled downward, “Can I at least get a soda to hold me over.”

With an approving nod from her mother, Pan moved faster than a normal human could track, seemingly vanishing into thin air for a split second, before returning to the same spot, only with a root beer in hand. While Videl was getting up from her chair and heading for the kitchen, Pan began chugging the contents of her can. The carbonated beverage cascaded down her esophagus before landing in the pits of her stomach, mixing with the boiling green acids that were already dwelling there, and forming large bubbles of gas from the chemical reaction. Pan put her right hand on her belly when she heard a low rumbling deep inside. She felt pockets of air shift around within her tummy, before some of it was dislodged and evicted up a valve at the top of the stomach. Pan barely had time to register what happened before a juicy belch blasted past her lips, catching her by surprise. Videl stopped in the kitchen and turned to look at her daughter, who just sported a look of content on her face.

“That felt good,” Pan commented with a giggle.

“Pan, you should show better manners than that,” Videl reprimanded with a stereotypical parental finger pointing.

Pan scoffed internally, wishing that her mom would loosen up once in a while, like what her dad said she was like as a teenager. Alas, Videl’s acceptance of her role as a housewife had meant that she sacrificed much of her cooler (in Pan’s opinion), tomboyish personality, so it was unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Videl was about to get the ingredients and kitchen ware needed to make a meal fit for a demi- and quarter-Saiyan, but was stricken with a sudden pang of thirst. Wanting to quickly quench it before getting to work, she fished through the fridge and picked out a can of Jetap, before popping it open and spraying some of the alcoholic liquid on her cheeks. Pan snickered at this, while Videl took a large swig of her drink, draining the can in a matter of seconds. Once the intoxicated fluid splashed into her gut, a similar reaction that happened in Pan’s abdominal area occurred here too. As soon as Videl removed the can from her mouth, a beery burp rippled out of it, having the length, volume, and smell to be comparable to her daughter. When the three-second-long eructation ended, Videl’s cheeks lit up in a scarlet flash.

“Ooohhh my goodness! Excuse me!” she apologized with her left hand clasped over her mouth.

There was a period of silence in the house before the juvenile giggling of the youngest Son member promptly shattered it. “Nice one, Mom! I didn’t think… that you had… it in you!” her compliments were intersped by fits of laughter.

Videl’s level of embarrassment continued to grow, “T-that was just an accident, sweetie. I didn’t mean to.”

Pan rolled her eyes and gave her an unconvinced smirk, “Not buying it, Mom. Dad told me how much of a tomboy you were back in the day and I bet that you miss that time.”

Videl widened her light blue irises, baffled at how her adolescent daughter managed to back her into a corner like this. Then, she started to think about Pan’s words; about how her ‘tough girl’ days were when she was at her coolest. But that was just a persona, right? An act that she didn’t need to keep up when she met her high school sweetheart. Without that, she felt comfortable sporting a more feminine appearance, like her wedding gown when she married Gohan, or the red dress and black leggings when she attended Bulma’s ‘39th’ birthday party. On the other hand, her feistier attitude did earn her some respect from her former classmates at Orange Star High School, and she still found some amusement when she thought back to the times that she beat various members of the student body in burping contests. Perhaps it would not hurt to relive some of that glory one more time.

“Maybe… you have a point,” Videl admitted.

Pan’s grin grew wider, “Great, because I’ve got an idea for curing our boredom: a burping contest!”

If possible, the Son matriarch’s eyes grew wider still, “Really? Well, what are the stakes?”

Pan tapped a finger on her chin in thought, “If I win, you order as much food as I want, when I want, for the next three months; If you win, I’ll do all of yours and dad’s chores on top of my own for the same time.”

Videl pondered Pan’s proposition. The risk was great, but so was the reward. After a few moments, she reached her decision, “Game on, young lady,” Videl answered with a smirk that matched her daughter’s, finally regaining her uncouth appreciation for the immature art of burping.

“Cool!” Pan’s eyes shone in anticipation, thinking that this would make for a gross, but fun, bonding experience.

Videl pulled out at least eight more cans of soda from the fridge and divided them between herself and Pan. After all, one needed the right ammunition for this kind of thing. Pan reached for her first one and chugged the whole thing in less than a minute! With a smirk, she then thumped her chest and let out a nasty sounding burp that sounded like it came from a hardened trucker. Videl was actually a little proud of her for that. That is, until she remembered she was looking at her competitor. The daughter of Mister Satan figured her turn was up and attempted to copy her daughter's opening move. Unfortunately, she ended up choking on most of the soda and launched into a coughing fit.

“You're losing Mommy,” Pan taunted in a sing-song voice before belching again. This one was ever bigger than the last, being five seconds long!

Videl's eyes narrowed as her competitive fire was beginning to reignite, “I'm not finished yet!” She began chugging her second soda, this time nearly matching her daughter's former pace. Pan was on her second soda as well, though sipping it in a leisurely fashion. It was clear she wasn't worried and this made Videl all the more angry.

Thumping her chest, the daughter of Mr. Satan unleashed her first real belch in the contest. It was decent, though only half as big as Pan's first attempt. Videl scowled, knowing she'd once been able to do much better. Pan responded with another huge belch that won her the bout and began opening her third can. Videl did the same and managed to start off with a belch that surpassed her daughter's previous attempt! The good feeling that came with that was quickly destroyed when Pan unleashed a belch that blew her mother's hair back! Once again, the daughter of Mister Satan felt oddly proud even as she began opening her fourth can. This truly was a bonding experience.

The contest continued on in this way. Videl had actually started to regain some of her old skill but it didn't seem to help. Pan dominated each bout and only grew cockier over time. “Get ready to order Mama, cause I am hungry!” The daughter of Mister Satan only scowled more deeply at this taunt. She refused to let her daughter win. It wasn't just about what losing would cost her either. Now, it was about pride.

But honestly, Videl was getting flustered. She had to admit that her kid was good. Scratch that, Pan was very, very good. As they went through what was now the seventh can for both of them, mother and daughter soon realized that it was almost over. There were only two cans left and one of them would belong to the victor. It was clear from her grin that Pan believed she knew which one it would be. “Ready to give up?”

But Videl refused. If there was anything left over from the Videl of old, it was that. She wondered, not for the first time, just what had happened to that girl? The tomboy who had dominated boy and girl alike in belching contests since she was seven! She even remembered winning a few farting contests in her time. Looking at Pan, she realized that she missed those times. She wanted them back. It was time for her to start thinking like the old Videl again, but how?

After the duo each finished their seventh can, Pan effortlessly belted out another first class burp. Though it was comparatively less powerful than her previous ones, it compensated with an odor that made the matriarch of the Son household go green in the gills. While Videl, with watery eyes, was coughing and trying to fan away the foul fumes, Pan was looking bored. Sure, she was certain that she would be able to pig out on as much food as she wanted to when this was over, which definitely appealed to her Saiyan nature, but there was another thing that her alien instincts craved: a good fight. Her father had gone on about how unladylike and badass her mother was as a youth, so Pan expected at least something resembling a challenge, just to make her victory feel more earned.

However, right now Videl was not proving those stories true at all. In fact, her burps were barely able to get much reaction out of Pan aside from condescending amusement. Either the stories were lies or Videl had simply lost her edge. In any case, Pan found it disappointing, not simply because of the aforementioned lack of challenge, but because she had a lot of respect for mommy dearest. All of the tomboyish tales about Videl, not just of how she shattered gender stereotypes by utterly decimating sexist boys in belching contests, but also of her beating up bullies and leaping into danger to stop criminals. It helped influence Pan into shaping her personality to mimic the mother that she idolized, both as a tomboy and as a hero.

Meanwhile, Videl’s mind raced to find a way to gain an edge over her daughter. Maybe she could use the Dragon Balls to wish for her old personality back. No, that would seem like a waste to use something so powerful to win such a juvenile event. Besides, what would Gohan say about it when he returned home? Nevertheless, if she cannot do that, then how will the daughter of Mister Satan triumph over the gaseous greatness of Pan? Suddenly, she thought back to what her husband said when he taught her how to fly all those years ago.

He said that you have to focus your energy from your stomach, she recalled in her head. Then, she also flashed back to when she heard Gohan say that his mentor, Piccolo, could fire ki blasts from his mouth, Wait a minute. That’s it! Videl breathed deeply and concentrated hard, gulping down air to fuel her belch. She soon felt a spark of ki in her belly and smiled, Alright, she thought, silently thanking Gohan and Piccolo for not teaching Pan telepathy, I’m on the right track, but I should try to limit how much ki I use. Otherwise, Pan will know what I’m up to and just copy me, then, I’ll be screwed.

And so, the metaphysical energy continued to manifest in her stomach, acting like fire boiling water to produce steam as it stirred up more gas than any normal human ever could. When she felt enough build up, Videl proudly forced out the gas using her ki creating a shockwave that blew away Pan’s orange bandana. When it finished, Videl sighed in relief and giggled at the befuddled face of her daughter.

“Wh-what was that?!” Pan exclaimed.

“Well, Honey, I guess I was just a little rusty,” Videl replied, lips curled up into a smirk.

Pan narrowed her eyes in suspicion. She may be somewhat naïve, but she was not stupid. The daughter of Son Gohan found it weird that her mom could just pull out a totally awesome eructation at the eleventh hour after a series of mediocre burps. In addition, Pan could have sworn that she felt a minuscule ember of ki coming from her mother, specifically in her tummy.

Maybe… The quasi-Saiyan pondered for a moment, before dismissing the idea entirely, There’s no way. That’s just ridiculous. She probably just got lucky, that’s all.

Putting the notion aside, Pan opted to pop open her eighth can of soda and began chugging it. Videl soon joined her and in a matter of seconds, both had completely drained their aluminum canisters of their sugary liquid contents. Pan patted her packed paunch playfully, feeling it press up against and peek out under her shirt. It was an expected result given that eight cans worth of delicious carbonated goodness filled that gut of hers, not including the can that she had taken a swig of before the contest officially began. Videl rubbed her own bulging belly, starting to wonder how this competition would affect her figure afterward. However, she pushed that thought out for the moment, instead focusing on the here and now.

“Well, do you want to start the final bout, little lady?” Videl inquired with a smirk.

“Sure, but you’ll regret it, trust me,” Pan replied, matching her mom’s smirk.

Pan proceeded to gobble down as much precious oxygen as possible, making her abdominal area inflate even more so. She held her breath, and after a while, she was starting to become blue in the face, which made Videl frown in worry. The mother was about to ask if her daughter was all right when Pan decided to unleash her outright abominable eructation right in her face. It was by far her greatest/grossest one in the whole competition. Pan’s oral expulsion of air lasted an astounding ten seconds, actually shattering some of the windows, which Pan had a feeling would come out of her allowance even if she won. However, the smell was again in a category of its own, as the guttural belch blast carried a sickly green cloud of gas out of Pan’s mouth. Said gas cloud was composed of an amalgamation of every food and drink that the Pan had devoured over the past week, which to a full blooded human would have been a month’s worth of nourishment.

“How was that, Mom?” Pan giggled smugly after finishing.

“Ohhh…” Videl moaned, wholly discombobulated, “That was so nasty! I think that I’m going to hurl!” she slapped both hands over her mouth to keep herself from doing so.

Pan giggled even louder, savoring her mother’s disgusted demeanor. Eventually, Videl regained her bearings and threw a piercing glare at her daughter, at which Pan only snickered, “I take it that you didn’t like my magnum opus.”

That straw broke the camel’s back, Screw it, Videl thought, I don’t know if it’s the lingering nausea or seething anger, but I’m going to put this brat in her place, no matter what! That’ll knock her arrogance ass down a peg.

Then, she got into a battle stance, her legs spreading out two feet apart and bending at a 90° angle, and closed her eyes. The quarter-Sayian cocked her left eyebrow, confused. “Uh, mom, what are you doing?”

However, Videl closed her eyes, tuned her daughter out, and took deep breaths. Pan frowned at the silence, but widened her eyes as she felt something weird happen in her mother. Once again, the daughter of Mister Satan manifested her ki in her stomach, though now it was much larger, to the point that Pan could clearly sense it.

Huh? Why is there so much ki in her stomach? Unless… Pan thought, until her eyes widened in realization, It’s true! She did do it before and she’s doing it now!

As Pan was trying to process the current situation, Videl pressurized the gas in her stomach by charging up ki in order to increase the power of her burp. Meanwhile, a glow formed in her stomach, the heat of her ki causing her to sweat profusely. After a while, she felt a huge burst of energy finish building up pressure in her belly. This feeling made her smile in anticipation.

“Oh, boy, here it comes,” Videl exclaimed excitedly.

“Here what comes?” her offspring questioned.

Videl ignored Pan and used her energy to channel the gas out of her belly. The glow intensified as it, the ki and the gas traveled up her body before entering her mouth, causing her cheeks to bulge outward and filling Videl’s mouth with a light bright enough to make her puffed out cheeks translucent. Then, she raised her head slightly away from Pan to avoid possibly hurting her and became the first person in history to burp out a blast of energy.

“*buuuUUUrrrrrrRRUUUuuuuuuuUUUCH!*”

Suddenly, her mouth snapped open and she belched out a large yellow ki beam, which rocketed past Videl's lips and barely missed the top of Pan’s head on its trajectory through one of the broken windows. The burp itself echoed throughout the house, shattering the remaining windows, and knocking down several books, expensive plates, and other belongings. The duo looked to see the blast vaporize some nearby trees, both of them gawking at the trail of burnt grass and destroyed foliage.

“Whoa, even I didn't expect that,” Videl admitted with a blush.

Pan turned back to her mom, “That… was… awesome! Let’s keep going! I want to do that too!”

Videl paused for a moment, but then chuckled at the absurdity of the situation, “Ok, but the loser gets punished for six months in lieu of three.”

“Deal!” Pan shouted, her eyes shining with enthusiasm.

Both remembered their unfinished cans of soda and grabbed them for the true final bout. They were going to need it!

Once the beverages had been consumed, the empty aluminum husk that previously held them were discarded and Pan began the final bout by pausing to focus her ki then:

“*BRRRRrrrRRRRRUUUUUuuuuUOOOOOOOoo-oooooOOOOOOOrrrp!!*”

A big energy blast shot from her mouth, twice the width of her mother's effort, though it only did a little more damage to the house by burning a few extra holes in the walls.

Videl applauded politely, then sucked in and:

“*beeeeeeEEEEEELLLLllllLLRRRRRrrroooOOOOOaaAAAAARRRRrrrrrRRRRP!!!*”

She not only managed to outdo her daughter, but shot out a stream of ki balls from her mouth in rapid succession. Pan was forced to jump on top of her chair in dodge in a rather comedic fashion. Videl laughed out loud at this when she was finished and an evil gleam suddenly entered her eye. Turning her gaze towards the ceiling, she forced out a small burp that resulted in a single ball of ki knocking some debris onto Pan's head, the quarter-Saiyan scowling in response.

“Okay Mama, you've had it!

*BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP AAAAATTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!*”

Videl's eyes widened as her daughter unleashed a huge belch that contained a variation of one of Vegeta's most powerful moves. It packed enough force to blow her through the wall of her home and leave her smoking on the already slightly scorched lawn. Pan laughed at the sight and began jumping up and down in an absurd little victory dance.

“Yes! I win! HAHAHAHA, I am the best!” This bratty sing-song voice awoke something in Videl and she slowly pulled herself to her feet, her eyes ablaze with fury. Pan watched with a mix of confusion and concern as her mother assumed a basic power-up stance and began speaking in grunts, as though she were on the verge of transforming into some new kind of super form. In fact, it wouldn't have surprised Pan at all if that were the case.

Little did the young girl know that during all this, her mother was reliving her past, watching various images of her rough and tumble self flash and the victories she'd achieved flash before her eyes. Everything from belching contests to looking best in a bikini passed her by. They were soon replaced by new images of Pan besting her younger self in all these same events. Other scenes were also included such as a rice eating contest and a farting contest. Every last one filled the Videl of the present with even more rage.

“No! I… Will… Not… lose… to a… little… girl! Even if she is my own daughter!” Pan watched in amazement as her mother's slightly higher than average power level suddenly skyrocketed, her aura blazing to life around her. Videl then bellowed, “Ka… Me… Ha… Me…

*HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!!!!!*”

The mightiest belch under the heavens, contained within the signature technique of both the Kame House and the overall Son Family, shot from Videl's mouth. It zeroed in on a horrified Pan and created a great explosion that destroyed the entire house! Pan lay amidst the rubble, somehow only dazed, “You win, Mommy.”

“Oh yeah!” Videl cried out in a rather good impression of her father, “I win! I'm number—oh crap!” The daughter of Mister Satan looked upon what was left of her home and decided to let Pan off the hook: she would need all the help she could get in order to collect the Dragon Balls and restore everything before Gohan got back!

#My Story #Sfw #Collaboration #Muse: Son Videl #Dragon Ball #Son Pan #Belching #Belching Contest #Burping Contest #Non-Vore

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dballzposting · 3 months ago

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I hauve . A supplementary story

I want to preface by saying that I think that Buu is Mr Satan's karmic destiny in a LOT of little ways, and one of them is to bring to consequence the way that Mr Satan Cannot Give A Straight Answer.

That must have been infuriating for Videl growing up, since she is an agent of truth and tends to be straightforward. Mr Satan must have learned by dealing with her how to just say things with confidence and in one sentence so that it SOUNDS like a legitimate answer; but at the same time, he's learned how to draw things on and phrase things a certain way in order to delight the press.

Mr Satan has a bias toward delusion and denial, and when you dissect the things he says, you end up finding a lot of hot air.

But now he's sort of responsible for taking an alien being and integrating him into society. This is unlike raising a child, because a misunderstanding from Buu could be potentially disastrous. It's also unlike raising a child, becasue Buu is not in any sense a dependent, and if he gets sick of smelling bullshit, he could very well just walk away and blow things up and never come back. So Mr Satan's lies are limited.

It's imperative that he be able to explain things to Buu in a way that satisfy him and that produce desirable results, but he can't just lie to him constantly, and he can't manhandle him either. This requires Mr Satan to think critically about everything he says and sees and the values he's choosing to apply, and he has to weigh out the functionality of different concepts and learn to find and settle on a "good enough" point.

He's never had to do this before .... It's always been a matter of climbing the ladder for him. Actions that earn approval are good, actions that don't are either bad or not worth his time. There are many societal values that Mr Satan adheres to just because everyone else does; he doesn't think critically about these things.

But Buu will never be an upstanding citizen. You can never shame and guilt him enough to change his shape. He'll just refuse it. He's gonna be himself. So Mr Satan has to find ways to allow Buu to be himself while also not disrupting general society too much. This means breaking down accepted conventions and assessing for merit. This means Not Just Compulsively Running From Everything.

But Mr Satan will be Mr Satan. He method of self-regulation is denial and grandiosity, which is then the lense through which he views the world, which is what he has to try to communicate to this alien outsider - which is what he has to continuously reassess and be selective about. This is a challenge for him, which is why it's karmic.

CASE STUDY:

Videl & Gohan & the baby Pan & Mr Satan & Mr Buu are all out for a fun family day at the ZOO ! :D

Everything is going awesomely until they all pass by an exhibit that has animals in it that are , perhaps , having a bit of a go at each other. Like it's mating season, or maybe it's even just parrots doing it for fun, or something of that nature.

This is inconsequential to the scholarly Gohan and the pragmatic Videl and the infant Pan, but Mr Satan is a self-fearing repressed sort of gentleman who abides by the loudest of society's calls, so he HAS to make some sort of comment about it or laugh it off or SOMETHING to dismiss the uncomfortableness he feels. But he doesn't. Becasue he has only narrowly avoided this topic with Buu in the room before. He is afraid of that conversation.

He thinks it's a conversation. He thinks it would have to be something he'd have to explain. He assumes this responsibility, and this fear, because like all of us, he lives in a society that applies certain constraints of shame around sexual feelings, activity, and discussion, which causes it to stick out with a certain prevalence, which means that He Feels Burdened By The Weight of having to in theory one day explain it to an unaware party even though No One Ever Asked Him To he just assumed that this was his burden. Like this is just his personal experience but he thinks that it's objective ... it doesn't have to be anything but he's primed to think that it's something.

And it's all been fine so far but currently there is something evidently odd or appealing or confusing about this particular animal exhibit. And Buu stops to watch a bit longer.

And you can see Mr Satan see this and you can see him tense up for the inevitable. Literally he turns to Videl & Gohan for help, you can see the look of morbid fear flash across his face. It's a silent but LOUD plea. And literally immediately Videl turns away, because she cannot STAND that look - now that she's moved out and is a parent herself, she has the capacity for more grace; but she also has the capacity to become aware of all the ways she hated living with her father. She loves him but CANNOT STAND some things about him. His showboating for one; his constant need for external validation; and this right here is another prime example, the way that he Lacks The Maturity to handle the facts of life, and that he cannot relay them when asked. He thinks that these sorts of situations should be feared & avoided. And Videl just cannot stand that ... She turns away becasue she has her own family to tend to now, because she wants to encourage her dad to Solve His Own problems, and becasue she feels angry for all the times Mr Satan had brought that attitude into his parenting and implicitly made Videl feel like she was at fault for asking any and all questions about the world.

Gohan doesnt turn away. He looks at Mr Satan and he looks at Buu and he sees the silent plea on Mr Satan's face and he sees the look of oddity on Buu's face. And he looks at Videl who has pointedly turned away from the situation that shouldn't be a situation. And Gohan actually takes a chance, he rubs the back of his head and says something like "I mean - it should be fine, right? I mean, I don't see why it wouldn't be. I mean ... he's mature in his own right, isn't he? I mean ... what's really the problem here, you know?"

Buu can sense the tension between everyone and assumes that it's the animals that's got everyone so worked up. So he looks at everyone, and points into the exhibit, and asks, "What are the animals doing?"

And Videl doesn't answer and Gohan doesn't answer.

And there is this ... beautiful, bold moment where we think that maybe, MAYBE, Mr Satan is going to tell the truth. That maybe he's just going to give it straight. MAYBE HE'S GOING TO BE COOL ABOUT IT. Maybe he's going to be NORMAL.

And he opens his mouth .... "Well, y'see, Buu, it's like this......"

And then something ignites in his eyes and he STARTS SPINNING A YARN. HE SAYS SOME BULLSHIT. HE MAKES IT UP AS HE GOES. He starts LAUGHINGGG and says "Oh, that, well - that's how they test each other's strength and fighting aptitude, y'see. They get up behind each other and, test each other's mettle, y'see. It's good sportsmanship"

ETC ETC ETC. And Videl covers her face in disappointment and exhaustion. And Gohan sort of sighs it away in good humor.

And Buu, who had only been mildly interested in the animals before, is now VERY interested. He's hanging onto Mr Satan's every word. This is riveting. He had no idea that was a thing!

"WOW," says Buu. "And here Buu just thought that they were making babies! That is so much cooler! The zoo is fun!"

...................... Boy I tell you. The way that everybody just freezes.

Only to immediately mobilize when Buu asks why he and Mr Satan don't do that.

MR SATAN DUG THIS GRAVE . NOW HE HAS TO GET IN IT ...! MAYBE HE'LL LEARN HIS LESSON.

This was all his doing. If he weren't so cagey about being asked that question then maybe he would have realized that Buu would never need to ask it, becasue he already knows a great deal about the nature of living things.

BTW I think he would phrase it like "making babies" becasue it's a functional perspective, becasue that's the explanation on procreation that Bibidi would have likely given him if asked, and becasue that's the knowledge and the TONE that he would have acquired from eating that nice supreme Kai.

But it would be infinitely funnier if instead he had said "Buu just thought that they were having sex!" I just don't think that that's the phrasing that would necessarily leap out of him but it definitely would have been so much funnier. Btw.

THERE IS A HOLE IN THIS TALE that hole being ... Oh so you don't think that Mr Satan would ever take Buu out for a night on the town? Go cruising? You don't think that he would introduce him to strippers and gambling? Ok. Ok. Ok. I see how it is. No it's fine. IT'S FINE! Whatever ....

Hopnestly I am truly undecided about that last point. Very good argument to say thatMr Satan takes in Buu as the best friend he's never had and is eager to do all of his favorite recreational acitivties with him. There is also a very good argument that he sees Buu as too good and pure for drugs and strippers. But there is also a good argument that Mr Satan sees nothing wrong with these things and that "a boy can have a treat every now and then." Buu is his playmate and maybe he ought to take him to the bar. IDK. Much to think about. End post

Since Buu had initially toured & destroyed countless worlds, he has the benefit of having witnessed (even if only briefly) many varieties of life forms and their lifestyles & habits & tendencies & realities. There are basic concepts about living things that he's just equipped with knowing. A lot of the time this knowledge came in the form of how to torture them the most, but still. (<- an example is when he healed that little boy's eyes so that he could see him; Buu wanted people to run away from him, and he knew that humans rely on their sense of sight for that sort of perception of danger, so he knew to heal the eyes first. Another example is when the dog wouldn't run; he learned with that little exchange that dogs do not speak the language he does. It's basis concepts like that that he's gathered...)

So there are broad ideas that Buu grasps because he has seen them or because they apply to him. He understands eating, though we don't know if he's learned how necessary it is for other living things (he probably can't die of starvation); he understands sleeping, though has probably had to learn that all animals sleep differently (if at all), and he's just gonna have to wait until Mr Satan wakes up in the morning naturally and he can't just go knocking down his bedroom door anytime he wants to because it's not nice. He understands the concept of reproduction (and I'm sure later on what family means to humans), and no one had to explain what it meant for Videl to be Mr Satan's "daughter."

Shit like that .... But I wonder what else he knows. What else does he see as just basic concepts of life. Do the stars shine differently on the surface of every planet? Are they always beautiful? Does he know beauty? Is it fundamental? Is it important? Can it be created or destroyed?

I think that Mr Satan can be kind of an old-fashioned man. Which is to say he can be overly observant of societal norms that really aren't based in anything real but he swears up and down by them as a fundamental necessity of life. Kind of like those mothers who WILL NOT LET YOU use a kitchen towel as a bath towel and vice-versa, who just have some sort of COMPULSIVE NEED to recognize those towels as fundamentally different, and if you try to dismantle that then their anger gets provoked as if their life is being threatened. Mr Satan doesn't give a fuck about towels but it would be something LIKE that.

And there are a looooooooooot of little things that Buu has to learn to go along with that are just things to keep social life seamless. You can't cut in line. You have to answer the phone with a greeting. Let the elderly and pregnant people have the seat on the train. You have to face the doors when standing in an elevator. The order of meals is appetizer -> entree -> main course -> dessert, and you should order food in that order. No making loud noises during the sleeping hours of the night. ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC.

Some things are practical (red means stop, green means go) and some things are civil (the average employee doesn't have any more control over the company's policies than you do, so be kind) and some things are ... Arbitrary, but have been made a social habit of, and could very well run very deep ("ladies first.").

I don't think that Buu has the bandwidth to make such nuancial distinctions .... or the interest to even think about it much. When he agreed to stop killing and destroying, it was arbitrary to him - kill, no kill, playing is playing, find different ways to play, that's fine! - and he only maintains that promise by obligation to the arbitrary "Because Mr Satan said so." His love for Mr Satan is not arbitrary, but that reasoning is, and that doesn't bother Buu one bit.

He's fine with rules making no "sense," because I think that the levels he operates on is only emotional and instinctual; and "yes" and "no" and "can" and "do not" are fundamental concepts that he has experienced, and that he has a tolerance for, even if the "do not" sometimes hurts. He has a tolerance for his own discomfort, to a point.

Since he operates on those basic levels, I think that the universe DOES make sense to him. It is what it is. He perceives, he responds. There isn't anything to think about when there is a lot to feel about; and the confusion only happens when he has to make a decision in a situation that is overall removed from any sense of instinct, OR is built up on those to a level of nuance that is distinctly human. Which is to say, he does not know how to float in social situations. There has to be an objective that makes sense (ex: food acquisition), or he has to be allowed to just be removed from the situation (ex: sitting away from everyone and reading a funny comic alone).

When all else fails, he can just rely on the classic "What would Mr Satan do?" to resolve any of the confusion and indecision.

But I guess my point in saying all of this is I wonder if Buu and Mr Satan fundamentally disagree sometimes. Mr Satan has ideas about the world and about people and most importantly about himself; he thinks himself indestructible, and he runs from his (frequent) experiences of fear or inadequacy. And he says things that seem to imply that to run away from these experiences of weakness is to become stronger, as if you can deny the weakness away; and Buu, who experiences everything in totality and without judgement, and who sees the slight forward collapse of Mr Satan's posture when he isn't remembering to fight through it for the cameras, KNOWS that that can't be right. All he knows are feelings and reflexes, and he just cannot understand how or why someone could try to say that they don't need to be felt, or that they will just go away if you avoid them. Buu can see Mr Satan wear all of his feelings in all the contours of his body, and it just comes as an outright shock when Mr Satan himself isn't even aware of them.

Buu listens to Mr Satan because he loves him, and most of the time Mr Satan just gives him arbitrary rules for existing in this arbitrary world; like playing a game, Buu is happy to hopscotch along. But sometimes Mr Satan tells him things that seem to contradict with what Buu KNOWS is true, is real, is the universe, is just how things work - and that takes some major head-scratching until Buu decides that maybe it's just not something that Mr Satan can understand. And that he can be patient with him, like how Mr Satan has always been patient with Buu.

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Dragon Ball Z 201

Last episode, Gohan started attending high school in Satan City, but Satan City is riddled with crime, and Gohan’s afraid if he beats up too many criminals with his super powers, it’ll make his social life awkward. I really don’t understand why he’s so worried. Everyone thinks Mr. Satan has super powers, and he seems to do all right.

Anyway, he goes to Capsule Corp. to consult Bulma on the problem, and she mulls it over while smoking a cigarette. This is one of those little details that you don’t really think about much, but it’s something that you just don’t see in modern anime. I’m pretty sure Bulma’s only smoking here as a callback to her father, Dr. Brief, who often smoked and had a similar hairstyle back in the day. I mean, he still does, it’s not like he died or anything. My point is that you never see Bulma smoking in the 2010′s, even though those episodes and movies are set only a few years after this one.

I’m pretty sure that’s because Japanese television adopted stricter rules between 1993 and 2010. Did this scene make it into Dragon Ball Kai? I bet it didn’t. The only recent example of a smoking anime character is Jotaro Kujo from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, and they obscured it with shadow every time he lit up. Then again, Lisa Lisa smoked in full view, so maybe it’s just because Jotaro was a minor? Nonetheless, I feel like smoking has been heavily de-emphasized in media throughout my lifetime. It used to be commonplace, and now it seems like creators will avoid smoking altogether. I don’t know if it’s because they just don’t want to use it, or if there’s external pressure to avoid it. It’s a good thing, either way. I remember watching an “I Love Lucy” episode once where the four main characters all just sort of stopped talking so they could light up and get their cigarettes started, like that was a perfectly acceptable use of airtime.

Bulma’s solution is to make Gohan a disguise that he can change into at the push of a button. Gohan is amazed that such a thing is even possible, but she says she can knock it out in two hours.

While she works on that, Gohan goes to hang out with Trunks. Not the one from the future, but the baby we last saw in Episode 193.

Trunks just started training with Vegeta, who feels he’s old enough to learn from him. So naturally he puts in an appearance and chastises Gohan for losing his edge in peacetime.

This episode was a big deal to me when I first watched it in 2001. By then, I was invested enough in DBZ that I couldn’t wait for Cartoon Network to air the post-Cell Games stuff, so I started buying the tapes. I think this episode would have been on the third one I got, and it serves as our first look at the cast seven years after the Cell Games. Until now, all we’ve seen are Chi-Chi, Gohan, and Mr. Satan.

Also, I was genuinely fascinated to see what Vegeta would say or do in a scene like this. He and Gohan never interacted much in the first place, and he was a huge dick during most of that time, and the last time we saw Vegeta, he seemed to be at a crossroads. He declared that he’d never fight again, but what would he do instead? In this episode, we finally get a semblance of an answer. He’s been living here, with Bulma, training the whole time, and now he’s planning to train Trunks. As far as Gohan is concerned, he seems to regard him with a certain degree of respect, warning him that he can’t afford to get flabby.

Later, Bulma finishes Gohan’s super-suit, which includes gloves and boots from Vegeta’s wardrobe.

Gohan’s thrilled with it, but Trunks isn’t. Earlier, he asked if Bulma could make him a costume, but now he’s taking it back.

On his way home, Gohan passes through Satan City again and decides to give the outfit a test run when he spots a reckless driver. Look, if I had a muscle-car that was bright yellow and the number 69 on it, I’d drive like a madman too. This is why I’m not cut out to be a judge.

The guys ask Gohan who he is, since his ridiculous outfit doesn’t tell them anything, and he pauses to consider what his superhero name should be. At last he settles on “The Great Saiyaman,” and he does this elaborate pose to emphasize it.

Hearing this, the two men laugh hysterically, until Gohan gets upset and stomps the roadhard enough to break the pavement. They quickly apologize and promise to drive safely. Score one for justice.

Gohan returns home and Chi-Chi hates his outfit. Is it really that much different from what anyone else in this show has worn so far? I mean, Chi-Chi used to wear a cape and a helmet herself. Does she just think Gohan’s suit doesn’t show enough bare skin?

But Goten loves the Great Saiyaman outfit, so that’s something. Wait, who?

As Gohan flies to school the next day, the narrator fills us in. Basically Goku got Chi-Chi pregnant right before he went off to fight Cell, so nine months later she gave birth to this kid and named him Goten. Of course, if you’re only watching the anime, you would have already seen the boy by now, because he’s all over the new opening credits.

With his new costume, Gohan can just fly to school under his own power, land on the roof, and change back to his normal outfit with the touch of a button on his watch. He says this will save him from having to use Kinto’un to make his commute, but why was he ever using it in the first place? It’s not like he could let people see that either, right? Or did Gohan think Kinto’un wouldn’t be that big a deal?

In class, a couple of students are already talking about the new superhero, although they get his name wrong. I guess “Tireman” does sound a lot like “Saiyaman” if you pronounce it “SIGH-a-man”, like they do in Japanese. I don’t know why the dub changed it from “SIGH-an” to “SAY-an,” but whatever.

Anyway, Gohan angrily corrects them on the proper name, and then he has to make up some story to explain how he would know this. The story here is that Gohan’s so wrapped up in playing a superhero that he keeps forgetting why he wanted the secret identity in the first place. What does he care if people get the name wrong? As long as they’re not calling him “Son Gohan”, it works.

Later, Videl gets a call on her wristwatch, because everyone has a magic watch, apparently. There’s a hostage situation on a tour bus, so she has to excuse herself from class to go deal with it.

Gohan doesn’t understand, so Sharpner explains that Videl assists the authorities in crises like these. She’s basically following in the footsteps of her father, Mr. Satan, and Sharpner assures Gohan that she’s about as strong as her dad is, so she’s more than capable of handling these situations.

But Gohan doesn’t buy that, because the last time he saw Mr. Satan, he got beat by Cell in one hit. Okay, yeah, but Perfect Cell is a long way from a gang of busjackers, you know. I’m not sure Gohan fully appreciates that distinction, though the irony still shines through. It seemed harmless at the time to allow Mr. Satan to take credit for defeating Cell. Gohan clearly never waned the accolade. He’s worried about people finding out he foiled that bank robbery in the last episode. But Mr. Satan’s faux heroism has now inspired Videl to try to become an actual hero, and she might not be as lucky as her father.

So Gohan excuses himself to go to the restroom and decides to back up Videl as Great Saiyaman........ except he doesn’t know where the bus terminal is.

Meanwhile, at the bus terminal... HAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT IS WITH THIS GUY? Why is he covering his entire face with his bandit mask? How does he see what he’s doing? What’s with the chicken hat? This is insane, and it’s great.

The bus they’ve taken over is full of old people, who seem unconcerned about being used as hostages. I think the deal here is that these guys just got done robbing a bank, then fled to this bus when the cops came after them, and now they’re hoping to use the bus to escape.

I feel like this is some sort of anime trope, with senior citizen tourists being completely unworried about what’s going on around them. I’m mostly thinking of that episode of Hellsing Ultmate where Alucard and Father Anderson were about to throw down in a museum until Seras led a tour group between them to defuse the situation.

Anyway, this lackadaisical attitude irritates the crooks, but they still pose for a photo when asked.

Then Videl arrives in the air vehicle she uses for these situations.

So basically, Videl doesn’t have super powers OR a costume, and she just flies into a situation and starts whooping ass whenever she gets a call on her watch. What exactly is she doing that the cops couldn’t have done? I mean, at least they had guns.

So Videl jumps on the bus and crashes through the wndow and starts opening up a can of whoop-ass on these guys. She’s basically Batman without the suit, which is pretty awesome.

Then one of the old people takes a photo of her, and she blushes. Awwww.

Unfortunately, Videl was so busy kicking butt that she failed to notice no one was driving the bus as it rolled off a cliff. But Gohan’s here in time to catch it, and everything’s okay.

And I guess this puts Videl’s character into perspective. A lot of critics point out that she never really got any development as a fighter. When she appears in video games, they usually have Gohan or Great Saiyaman show up to help her as part of her finishing move. I think a lot of fans, especially female ones, wanted to see Videl train until she got strong enough to hang with the Z-Fighters, and it just never happened.

But, I mean, this is her second appearance, and the debut of the idea of Videl as a crimefighting heroine, and she’s already gotten in over her head. She’s not nearly as goofy as Mr. Satan, but she’s more like him than the audience might care to admit. As impressive as she was on that bus, she nearly got herself killed.

Gohan introduces himself as the Great Saiyaman and she’s as put off by his costume and poses as everyone else so far. Then Gohan addresses her by name and flies off.

Videl’s all like “How does he know my name?” But doesn’t everyone in town know Videl? The people on the bus recognized her. The crooks recognized her, which was why they opened fire as soon as she landed on the bus. Why wouldn’t a new superhero know her?

So Gohan’s pretty pleased with himself, and the narrator assures us that Gohan’s secret won’t be exposed, right? Right? You’re shaking your head, why is that?

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tigerlover16-uk · 6 years ago

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My response to your Gohan post

Read your little post about Gohan. I’m reminded by Chris Claremont’s comment about readers’ complaints about his characterizing Wolverine from the psycho-killer to the ‘I’m a Man, not an Animal’ who wanted to progress from his violent instincts. They claimed he wasn’t cool anymore. The gist of his argument is that the 'psycho’ is cool and all that, but it gets boring; he likened that arrested characterization as an automatic toy: wind up for the big scene, etc., with no life to it. I’m further reminded by Moxzilla Vulpix and Hail Zeon’s “The Characterization of Gohan” piece, where their least favorite characterization is Ultimate, becoming Goku 2.0 without any of Gohan’s strengths. The Gohan portrayed in Kefla battle in the SUPER Manga symbolizes both these criticisms. (Yes, I do love Ultimate Gohan, but I think SUPER improved on that characterization by maintaining Gohan’s characteristics). He looks cool and…that’s it. No Gohan suffering the pain over committing Universal Genocide. No Gohan humbly apologizing to Piccolo while saving him. No Gohan who uses his brain against Obuni, Freeza/Frost, and Dyspo. Just Gohan being an automated Bad-Ass and that’s all they want.

Since that’s what they want, any characterization pieces are looked down upon. All the comments I get from the 'Playing with Pan and Satan’ scene is WTF?!? GOHAN’S POWER LEVEL IS DOWN TO SATAN?!? They self-insert their issues on Future Trunks and believe he was horribly disappointed over his Gohan visit (when it was the opposite). I saw one reaction video where Gohan hugging Videl and Pan was reacted with “Lame-O.” People complain about Goku being a Deadbeat Daddy despite his power BUT Gohan’s overtures to parenthood (giving up a promotion in order to be Pan’s parent) is shunned because he isn’t strong anymore. And then there are the comparisons between Ultimate Gohan and 'Burned-out-Tracksuit-RoF Gohan’ with “Oh how the mighty have fallen!” condemnation, completely ignoring the fact that Ultimate Gohan’s 'Fight you? I’m here to kill you! went to nothing (all he did was find Dende), while Burn-out Gohan got Goku and Vejita back to Earth! They wistfully wish Cell Games 'Teen’ Gohan was fighting in the US arc, ignoring that characterization’s weaknesses like panicking, needing motivation/hand-holding, or being so arrogantly stuck up he misses opportunities (the latter was a problem for Ultimate Gohan too; DBZ 'Bad-Ass Gohan’ and 'Fuck Up Gohan’ sound synonymous). SUPER’S mature and improved Fighter Gohan is ignored because he isn’t Bad-Ass enough.

I don’t see the point of feeling guilty for liking this stuff while the others go Boo-Hoo over their unfulfilled portrayal. Before SUPER came, I wanted to see Gohan as the devoted husband & father and I wanted him to wear the Kamesennin/Kami-same Gi, go Ultimate again, and actually be effective. All my wishes were granted. If the point of these fandom arguments is finding a Gohan to be satisfied about, then surely I’m the winner here. The complainers can rant and complain all they want and never get their way. My Gohan happened. Do I want more? Yes, who doesn’t? But I got what I wanted.

You pretty much summed up my attitude on the subject there.

I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of people never really paid that much attention to Gohan’s actual character up to the climax of the Cell saga when they were kids, or if they did he wasn’t their biggest point of interest compared to the likes of Goku or Vegeta. They noticed the build up of his hidden potential though, because that and his relationship with Piccolo were a point of interest, but most of them probably didn’t really start to care much about him until super Saiyan 2 happened, at which point everyone got all hyped up by the imagery of a jacked up, uber-powerful 11 year old that was closer to their age than the main character up to that point, and then just projected all of their power fantasies onto Gohan.

That’s what it really is. Gohan was a vessel for these people to project onto and they assumed they were promised an uber cool, macho hero that they could supposedly relate to more than Goku. And then when the story didn’t go in exactly the way they respected and Toriyama opted to let Gohan be an actual character instead, everyone threw a fit and felt betrayed.

I’ve made it clear my thoughts on Hail Zeon as a critic, but one thing I completely agree with him on and think there should be more discussion about is that the dragon ball fandom has a real problem with toxic masculinity.

There’s a very vocal segment of the Dragon Ball fandom that sees the series as nothing but violence, muscles and raw strength. That’s why Broly became so popular that they’re canonizing him in this movie, and why I suspect any possible moment in the film that might show him saying or doing something nice or having more to his character than “BIG, STRONG MANLY MAN!” is going to be met with comments along the lines of “Ugh, stop ruining his edge, Toei!” from a minority of people.

It’s a big reason why Vegeta, the aggressive and nasty eventual anti-hero became the most popular character in the American and Western European fandom to this day. (And no, it’s not the only reason and Vegeta is a good character. But let’s be real here) and why people get really angry and entitled whenever Vegeta isn’t treated like he’s the main character instead of Goku and given all the important wins, to the point that someone’s making a fan film for the expressed purpose of having him wreck everyone because the fan thought Vegeta in Z and Super was treated as a “Chump”.

It’s the entire reason why characters like Krillin, Yamcha, and anyone that’s not a hyper macho character or otherwise portrayed as “Weak” is treated like worthless trash that’s only good for derisive jokes at their expense and they need to stay out of the action and stop hogging screen time so the “Real men” like Vegeta, Piccolo and Goku can do all the cool stuff.

It’s why slice of life moments and stuff showing the characters having fun or being in silly or cute situations is met with retching and groans from some people. It’s why Ribrianne is hated on to the extent that she is, because she’s fat and “Ugly” and super feminine and everyone complains that she’s a useless nuisance that can’t fight and doesn’t live up to the hype other characters give her (Missing the point that the other characters do overhype her in-universe and the subtext that that’s a contributing factor for some of her character flaws).

It’s why so many people obsess over power levels and transformations and action while ignoring themes and character writing for anyone that isn’t Vegeta.

And it’s the reason behind a lot of other things too.

The fandoms treatment of Gohan’s character is just one of the most blatant examples of this whole nonsense because he had one big moment that fooled these people into thinking he was going to be the character that embodied everything they thought they wanted from Dragon Ball, only for the series to then have the “Gall” to go in a different direction and somewhat deconstruct that notion.

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tigerlover16-analysis · 7 years ago

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Dragon Ball Super: Episode 1 Review

A first episode is often going to be the most important of any series. This is the episode that's intended to sell the majority of a show's intended viewers on whether or not it's something worth getting invested in.

For a series like Dragon ball Super though, a continuation of a beloved nostalgic series that millions of people love and has been a massive influence on their lives, the first episode has to make it clear to those people that the show will not only be enjoyable to watch, but that it will respect the series it's following on from. That's a lot of pressure, and while subsequent episodes can always drop the ball (And unfortunately, that did kinda happen in a few episodes), the first impression is the most crucial.

Dragon Ball Super is a long running show that had many ups, and it had it's downs. But did it succeed at that oh so important first impression? Well my friends, today that is what we’re here to discuss.

The series opens with a recap of the ending of the Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z, and then cuts ahead an unspecified number of months afterwards. The story proper begins with series protagonist Son Goku having largely settled down to becoming a farmer after returning to life at the end of the previous series. A job that he's not exactly enthusiastic about, as he'd rather be training to get stronger in the event that the earth should be threatened by a new evil force in the near future, but he keeps at it for the time being in an effort to provide for his family like a responsible family man.

The focus of the episode shifts between the various members of the Son family, as well as new in-law Mr Satan, and while it does set up the direction the arc will be taking, outside of one scene early on and the ending it's pretty self-contained. It's difficult to talk about this particular episode without just recapping most of it's scenes as a result, so while I'll go into more detail in some future reviews I'll keep this one brief and focus on the important aspects.

The episode is well paced and for the most part, each segment flows neatly into each other. Everyone who appears is in-character and the episode does a good job of re-familiarising old fans with the characters and what they've been up to since last we saw them, while also giving potential newcomers tuning in a good enough first impression of who these people are and whether they might like them (Though newcomers might in turn be surprised at how small a role Goten and Trunks end up playing for the rest of the series, considering their subplot gets the most focus)

The tone of the episode is mostly light hearted, and has a nice slice of life feel throughout much of it with a focus on comedy and character writing, though also introducing us to the villain of the first arc, the mysterious cat-like being called Lord Beerus, and letting us know that things will eventually get serious.

It's a pretty pleasant experience overall. Almost all of the jokes land, in particular the scene with Goten and Trunks casually floating around the jewellery store and unknowingly freaking people out while looking for a wedding gift for Videl always manages to get a good chuckle out of me no matter how many times I watch the episode, and when the episode isn't being funny it's still full of cute moments. I don't think there's a single moment that doesn't offer up either a good joke or something to make viewers smile.

What helps with this greatly is the animation. I'm not an expert on talking about art styles and I can understand the overall look of Super not appealing to certain fans of the previous series, but the animation of the episode is pretty well crafted, and the nice colouring helps to enhance the pleasant feeling of a lot of scenes. In particular the scene near the end of the episode with Goku and Goten looking out into the sunset before Mr Satan stops by to offer Goku money for his heroic actions in the Buu saga features some very beautiful backdrops, with the orange and purple skies especially being a real treat for the eyes.

For a franchise well known and regarded for it's action scenes though, the episode only features a short minute long fight scene, and one that's pretty small scale since it just features Goten and Trunks being attacked by a giant snake (Which sounds like it would be dramatic in any other series, but considering Goten and Trunks can both destroy the entire planet by firing a lazer into the ground, it's really more of a minor inconvenience since the snake almost breaks a jar they needed to gather water). And while it's nothing too fancy, it's still pretty fun to watch and well animated.

Makes it a bit sad that the show's production would experience some major pitfalls a few episodes later, and we'll cover that later on, but needless to say the animators and director for this episode at least deserve credit for making the first episode very visually appealing.

While I don't have any major criticisms of the episode, I do have to comment that the scene introducing Beerus does end up feeling almost out of place. It's a good moment don't get me wrong, it gives a good first impression of the character and establishes him as someone who seems incredibly dangerous, but it has no bearing on anything else that happens in the episode other than the last few seconds before the credits, which just has the supreme kai and Old Kai looking out into space and noting that something bad is going on.

I get setting up the plot, and it does leave some intrigue to encourage viewers to keep watching. But with the scene taking place so early in the episode and then nothing coming of it, it feels almost like an afterthought. Needless to say the next two episodes would do a much better job both in establishing the characters personality and presence, and what his actual deal is.

Again, not a bad scene, but it feels weird in how quickly it's brushed aside.

Probably my favourite part of the episode though is the aforementioned scene with Mr Satan offering Goku the reward money for saving the earth. For one thing it's just such a delightful demonstration of how much Mr Satan has grown as a person as a result of his development in the Buu Saga. His character arc was always one of my favourite parts of Dragon Ball Z as a kid, and it's really nice to see the fruits of it here. He's still a somewhat arrogant showboat, but outside of showboating for the public Mr Satan here is a much more humble and considerate man than who he was back in the Cell saga, and seeing him being so insistent on offering Goku such a large sum of money that he could have easily just kept for himself as the person officially labeled as earth's saviour really makes me proud of the guy.

But apart from that, I really just love Goku's response to the whole thing. Outside of his over the top shock at the whole offer being amusing, I just love how humble Goku is shown to be here, only finally accepting the offer because it would go a long way to provide for Chichi and Goten, and give him the chance to train harder so he can be strong enough to protect everyone and not have a repeat of Raditz. It really says a lot about what kind of a person Goku is, and why he's the hero of this story.

So, yeah, all in all this was a pretty great first episode. It does a good job re-introducing us to Goku and his family, with the next few episodes gradually re-introducing the rest of the supporting cast, and it succeeds at being an entertaining, fluffy experience. If you were hoping for the show to hit the ground running with it's plot and for there to be more of a sense of looming dread, like how Z started out, then you'll probably be a bit taken aback by how nonchalant and wholesome the episode is. But personally I loved the approach the writers took with this episode, and early Super in general. It feels like a natural follow up to the events of the Buu Saga, while also being it's own thing, and I think the episode should give you a good idea about whether you're going to enjoy the first arc of the show.

All in all, I think I'll give the episode an A-

Not entirely perfect, but it's a charming, very enjoyable first outing for the series, and something I for one always enjoy coming back to.

Next episode, Vegeta enters the scene as he, Trunks and Bulma take a family vacation, and we get a better look at who our villains are going to be. Should be a lot of fun to talk about, hopefully I'll have a bit more to say, I feel like I kind of phoned this review in since I didn't know how to write out my thoughts in more detail.

#dragon ball super #dbs #dragon ball #dbs reviews

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addermoray · 7 years ago

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The Unified Theory of Ki

Bear with me here, I’m about to put more thought into the way Ki and Power Levels work in DBZ and DBS than anyone who works on them probably ever has.

1. Power Level is a Measurement of Ki Output

Alright, this is the most important thing to understand to comprehend the rest of this post. Power Level in DBZ/S isn’t actually a measurement of your level of power. It’s a measurement of how much Ki you’re putting out at a given moment.

This is why characters can mask their power levels. They’ve been trained in how to control their Ki output and can raise and lower it to disguise how potent their Ki is.

This seems pretty basic, and I’m sure on some level we all know this, but it’s also pretty hard to conceptualize in the moment. When we think of power level, we tend to think “Frieza Form 1 is 1,000,000 points strong” instead of “Frieza Form 1 is putting outputting Ki with a potency of 1,000,000″

2. Power Level is not a Cumulative Rating of Stats. It’s a Measure of How Much Your Ki Multiplies Your Physical Capability.

Here’s where I start getting weird, but Ki working this way makes almost everything make so much more sense. For example? Burter could really be the fastest being in the entirety of U7. It’s just that he’s the fastest before factoring in Ki.

Let’s look at it like RPG stats. As I said above, Burter’s 40,000 wouldn’t mean he has a speed rating of 40,000. Let’s say Burter has a 10 in his raw actual, ki-less speed. Let’s say Captain Ginyu has a 6.

With the way I believe Ki and Power Levels work, Burter’s 40,000 PL would mean his speed would be multiplied by that much. Using his full power he’s got a speed rating of 400,000 (potentially, we’ll get into that in the section 4). Impressive, of course, but even though the Captain is much slower than Burter when neither is using Ki, at his full power Captain Ginyu clocks in at nearly twice Burter’s speed with 720,000.

This also explains things like Super Saiyan 3rd Grade cutting the user’s speed while raising their power level. Adding all that bulk massively reduces their base speed, so that the increase in the potency of their ki still results in their speed being significantly lower than where it started.

Of course, I wouldn’t say it’s a direct linear multiplier. A power level of 100 doesn’t mean someone who can bench 100 lbs can now bench 10,000 lbs. But relative to someone else using Ki, it’s the same kind of boost. Mostly.

3. Theoretically, Two People With the Same PL Could be Radically Different. Someone with a slightly higher power could actually be weaker.

If my system is at all correct, then it means something interesting. If someone were to, say, be born with an incredibly high power level and then spend their lives doing everything in their power not to exert themselves in the least, theoretically someone with the same power level as them who has worked to get their base stats up would be significantly more powerful than them.

That also means that said couch potato could, theoretically, see massive gains in a very short period of time if they just put in a little effort to train. Their power level would go up, sure, but in addition they’d also be raising their base stats from the absolute bottom to a more average, or even above average place. Hmm...

4. Most People Don’t Use The Full Potential of their Power Level. That’s Why Ki Control is Such a Big Thing to Whis.

I can already hear your objections and they begin and end with

After all, he has a Power Level and he definitely doesn’t know how to use Ki.

But that’s the thing, given the evidence in the series (humans and people who trained on Earth being considered anomalies in U7 due to their ability to conceal their power levels, for example) I believe that everyone emits Ki naturally.

But here’s the thing, we know that you can ‘waste’ Ki. That was Whis’ criticism of Goku and Vegeta. All that lightning and those wild auras were just Ki being wasted and not being used. Ki control is one of the secrets to becoming more powerful. And why’s that?

Because if someone has a power level of 1,000,000 and, at full power, they’re only properly using 90% of that Ki, just learning how to better control their Ki would be like a mini power boost in and of itself.

Now what does that have to do with our dear old farmer up there? Well, what I’m saying is that his PL of 5 is just the natural ki that your average adult human male burns without using. If scouters were still around and you used one on Mr. Satan, he would also have a PL of 5. Every adult human male (and maybe adult human) who doesn’t understand how to train to strengthen their Ki would read a 5.

What makes this even more interesting is that, if I’m correct, in learning how to fly, Videl is now a good jump more powerful than any non-ki using human without having to put any more effort into it.

#dragon ball z #dragon ball super #power level #ki

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fanfic-lover-girl · 7 months ago

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Videl is such a boss! Or at least she used to be :'(

I just want to see her confront her fraud Dad! She is ten times the fighter Satan is! It's not fair!

Most Horrible DBZ Fight?

Whenever I watch the Videl vs Spopovich fight, I see all these comments about how it is the most brutal fight in DBZ. I think people only say that because Videl is a girl. Because this fight

Can't be compared to this fight

As much as I feel sorry for Videl and as much as Vegeta was still a selfish jerk in the namek/frieza saga, the comparison is not even close.

Let me explain!

History between combatants

Videl has no history with Spopovich. He is almost a nobody to her. The dude hates her dad because Mr. Satan beat him in a fight. He hurt her to get sick revenge on her dad. Nothing deeper than that.

Frieza and Vegeta have a rich and terrible history. Frieza is the monster who destroyed Vegeta's planet when he was 5. Still a kid. He worked in Frieza's planet trade organization, believing the lie that his home was destroyed by a meteor or asteroid or something like that. While Frieza humiliated him, he also had a kind of sick fondness for Vegeta. You can interpret this fight as Vegeta's attempt to overcome his abuser, in addition to proving himself as the super saiyan of legend. This gives the fight way more emotion and meaning compared to the Videl fight which basically just had shock value going for it.

Power Imbalance

Vegeta was doomed from the start, even with his Zenkai boost. Frieza toyed with him from beginning to end. Towards the end of the fight, Frieza drops all pretence of a battle and just wails on Vegeta like a punching bag.

With Videl, Spopovich was the underdog in the fight at the start. She was holding her own and she even landed a killing blow. She began to lose due to stamina. If Videl had fought smarter and tried to end the fight with a ring out, she would have won. If it was not for his Majin powers, he would be dead. But as the fight continued, she lost steam and Spopvich gained the upper hand and began pummelling her.

Stakes

Pretty obvious. The fight with Frieza had galactic consequences. Kami, King Kai and Guru were involved. Planet Namek was destroyed. The fight with Frieza was life and death. Most people in the battle died or nearly died.

Videl's fight was an inconsequential tournament fight. Not even the semi-finals or finals. You can say that's why Spopovich's brutality is so horrible because the context has lower stakes. Which leads me to my final and most important point!

Escaping the Fight

There was no escaping Frieza unless you died or he died. Once Vegeta confronted Frieza, he had no avenue of escape. You can't simply tap out of this fight. Even if he ran away using a space pod before the enraged Frieza showed up, he would be on the run for the rest of his life. Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin literally watched Frieza play with Vegeta because they were totally powerless. All they could do was watch Vegeta's humiliation.

Ultimately, it is Videl's fault that she was beaten so badly. Yeah, I said it! All she had to do was say "I give up" and the fight would be over! But because of her stubbornness and pride, she willingly stayed in a losing fight. Even when Spopovich is literally crushing her skull, she won't give up.

I can admire her resolve but this reason alone is enough for me to say that Videl should not be pitied. And why this fight is NOT the most brutal DBZ fight. It only feels that way because Videl is a human girl and people naturally hate seeing men abuse women. But there are DBZ fights that outclass this one in brutality any day of the week (most Kid Gohan fights should top Videl vs Spopovich just on the basis that Gohan is a literal child!).

The Vegeta vs Frieza fight played a major role in Vegeta's arc. It helped Vegeta respect Goku and motivated him to achieve super saiyan. It also gave Vegeta emotional depth.

Can't say the same for Videl. Her personality did a total 180 after her fight. Almost like Spopovich beat the tomboy out of her. We also never see her confront her dad about all his lies, which partly influenced her somewhat unmerited pride as a fighter which led to her attitude in her fight. What a total waste of potential character development.

#videl satan #hercule satan #hercule satan critical #dbz #videl deserved better

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kai-keda · 8 years ago

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Honestly, looking at your posts about Super sometimes I feel guilty for supporting the show so much. Because I honestly love it. I love the art style, I love how most of the characters are, I love the humour, I like a lot of the action and the stories. There's some stuff I don't like and I know the animation isn't always great, mostly in the first two sagas, but honestly there's not enough to ruin the experience and I still think it's a great show all around. It's the most fun I've had with 1/2

First and most important - you are absolutely not wrong for liking Super.

Never let critics tell you what you can and can’t enjoy. Ever.

You’re not stupid for liking it.

You’re not wrong for liking it.

It’s okay.

Now, from here on out is gonna be a little bit of tough love.

I’m not going to say “oh it’s okay, it’s okay, Super can totally be good! If you like it - it must be, right? It’s not dragging down the franchise!” because I would be lying to you and myself if I said that.

Liking things that are objectively bad un-ironically is normal. Lots of people do it. I do it. I really fucking love Equestria Girls. Like. A lot. I love it. A lot.

Not being able to study a piece of art on a critical level doesn’t make you stupid. It’s okay. You just can’t seem to place what you love about the series.

I can’t help you to figure it out, either, sadly, because I know that everything is done bad and I know that the story goes against everything I’ve studied about Dragon Ball’s writing and just writing in general. The same with animation. Everything I’ve studied to do to make something look good in an animation is done wrong in Super.

If you read what I have to say about DBS and can’t argue because you think I’m right on the complaints that I have, then I suggest that when you’re talking about it with friends you say something along the lines of “I can’t really say why I like it. This person online says it’s really bad, absolutely hates it, and I kinda agree with what she says but something about it keeps me attached.” That’s a perfectly valid reason to watch it but if you think I’m right when I say “the writing is done bad and the animation is done bad.” then you can’t really say that those things are done well, can you? Unless you don’t believe that, in which case I’d ask “why” and we’re back to the “I don’t know, but I like it.” argument.

I’m so sorry but the fact that you like it doesn’t mean it’s good.

I think the problem with comparing it to GT is the time between the end of Dragon Ball and its airing.

Many fans watched GT while Dragon Ball was still new and amazing and hyped everywhere as being great. So when GT wasn’t as good, everyone lost their minds. (Honestly, I’ve heard through the grapevine that GT had basically the same reactions from fans as Super. Everyone was swearing it was made by Toriyama and that it was canon, if you tried to criticize it you got shut down and only after the hype died did people start listening to the critics).

The problem with GT is the same as The Legend of Korra. It’s not as good as the original, but it’s not god-awful. GT is fine when standing on its own. It had one silly arc and one ehhhhh kiiiinda bad arc but the writing was still solid. It’s “meh”. GT is not as good as Dragon Ball, but good Lord it is not as bad as people make it out to be.

Not trying to say GT is some diamond-in-the-rough secret masterpiece like what Dragon Ball is, because it’s not. It’s okay. I got bored pretty often and some things in the writing weren’t the best but I wasn’t pulling my hair out and screaming about basic rules being broken the way I am with Super.

GT’s biggest problem is boredom.

People complain about the animation in GT while praising Super’s and that’s baffling me. No, GT is not fantastic - even for its time - but it’s not consistently terrible with random quick moments of “lol hey look at this quick pretty scene now forget about all the crap before it” the way Super is. GT’s quality was consistently “pretty good”. Super’s is inconsistent but on average, pretty dang bad with a lot of god-awful and obnoxious-to-look-at moments.

I think there’s a lot of “what we wanted Super to be” projection going on. That’s why, when you try and discuss the writing with fans of the series, their only defense is “but the concepts are good!”. They’re right. The concepts are good. But story concept alone does not, a good story, make.

Ideas are cheap, I’m afraid. So when you botch a great concept with terrible execution, you get a terrible product. That’s just how it is.

I feel like people are terrified of another GT and so they’re projecting so hard this idea that “well, wherever Super is bad, OG Dragon Ball was bad too” and that’s what’s hurting the franchise.

This fanbase has a serious problem of disrespecting Toriyama as an Author, as an Artist, and disrespecting Dragon Ball as the amazingly written series that it was.

This is a random scene from DRAGON BALL - ya know, the really fucking old series? - and the animation still holds up. Random, unimportant sequence of just Bulma talking and this is the average quality I expect from Dragon Ball.

Compared to Super’s average:

That fancy over-the-shirt-whatever-it’s-called-coat on Gohan changed size. In fact, Gohan’s line where his hip starts jumped up for no fucking reason. Also - do you know how hard it is to find DBS gifs on here? There’s not a lot. Because no one’s making a ton of gifs of scenes. Especially not of the countless amount that look like shit. Just a lot of the same two fights that looked great because those two exist. Mr. Satan’s muscles aren’t real. Videl should’ve fucking blinked or reacted or something, Mr. Satan’s cape is defying gravity. What’s the light-source? I don’t know. You’d think it’s inbetween Gohan and Videl but Mr. Satan begs to differ. This isn’t even the worst. It’s just kinda bad but it’s the fact that this is the best the average gets that’s shit.

Here’s where I bring out information that I was gonna save for its own post tomorrow but I guess it’s coming out now.

Among the Asian countries, there’s an annual poll of the best Anime. For all these years since serialization, Dragon Ball hasn’t gone below 20. Dragon Ball Super comes out, the poll changes the name of the anime to “Dragon Ball Super” to encompass the entire franchise, it isn’t on the list by the end of the poll. Out of 100. Why when the ratings are fine? Well, I’m watching Super on CrunchyRoll every week because I fucking have to because I can’t stand not taking in every Dragon Ball everything out there but if I was in that poll, I probably would’ve voted for Hunter x Hunter or Yuri on Ice. I sure as hell was not going to vote for DBS purely because of Dragon Ball when so much other Anime is so much better and has so much more blood, sweat and tears in it than DBS’ garbage. Teen Titans Go was doing GREAT for ratings for Cartoon Network but we all know how those numbers are bullshit. Ya know - it being the only thing airing 80% of the time. Ratings =/= quality.

http://goku-x-chichi.tumblr.com/post/154773647402/im-gonna-need-to-see-the-receipts-for-these

http://vote.animefestival.jp/finish.html

http://animefestival.jp/ja/post/4695/

So - yeah - Dragon Ball Super is hurting the name of Dragon Ball because of its terrible quality.

I’m sorry.

That doesn’t mean you’re stupid for liking it.

That doesn’t mean you’re stupid for not understanding what’s bad about it.

It just means that there’s some other God-only-knows reason you like DBS.

Don’t stress about it.

PLEASE don’t stress about it.

Enjoy it.

Have fun.

Just don’t try and tell me that it’s good because it really - really - isn’t.

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