#vegangelist

[franki-lew-yo]

"vegans are the worst" tagged vegans, tagged vegetarian, tagged animal rights. literally, mind your business.

My family is vegetarian and I believe in animal rights, so it is my business, actually.

I'm sorry if all you got from my post was "vegans are the worst", because that wasn't the point, actually. It was more about how vegangelists shouldn't bully outsiders or other vegans, which they shouldn't.

[lazygravez]

vegangelist

We need a name for that specific kind of person who treats Veganism like it's a religion

[myveganvoice-blog]

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[drferox]

Anti-Vets

Anonymous said to @ask-drferox: Wait?? Why would anyone be anti-veterinarian??

There are a lot of people in the world, anon, each shaped by different experiences and knowledge, and not all of the opinions they hold are good.

We are in a world that includes anti-vaxxers, homeopathy, creationists and flat earthers. There will always be someone who disagrees with you, no matter how reasonable and objective you think your opinion is.

Veterinarian is, in general, a highly regarded profession that comes with a high degree of trust, and is generally seen as ethical and trustworthy. That’s a privilege we must protect by continuing to be consistently ethical and trustworthy.

We are also in the unfortunate position of frequently needing to tell somebody that they have done something Wrong, that things are Bad, and they must simultaneously pay us for this information.

When you have high emotions and money involved, people can turn nasty.

In many cases I think those with an anti-vet sentiment have been told something they don’t want to hear, and so have turned to the nearest thing to blame, which happens to be a vet. But there are a bunch of different groups people with these attitudes might fall into.

Wanted to be a vet, couldn’t be for whatever reason, now tries to play one with their ‘natural remedies’, enjoys the attention they get and takes great offense at being told anything negative

Really and truly thinks vets are just in it for the money, and probably thinks of animals more like rights and objects than privileges. Also that it’s somehow the vet’s responsibility to be affordable, despite making no financial effort themselves.

Seems to think all we do is kill animals.

The vegangelist (vegan evangelist) that thinks that because we learn on animals during our formal veterinary medicine education we are somehow evil and our knowledge invalid.

The anti-vaxxer.

The cheap skate that just doesn’t want to pay for anything.

Some have a generalized distrust of modern medicine and just want the same cheap pills they’ve been getting for 20 years.

Some genuinely believe there is some sort of conspiracy about vets trying to make animals sick so they have more work.

I would like to think most of it is because people just don’t know us. They see this nebulous authority figure talking about things they don’t understand, rather than another local neighborhood resident who happens to have special knowledge but explains it well and makes it accessible.

Most anti-vet people you wont change. They like being that way, they like feeling special or victimized, or having a cause to fight for even if it’s a bizarre choice.

But the bystanders watching that discussion? If nobody ever presents the other side, then it makes the anti-vet rhetoric look unchallenged, and people might start assuming they’re in the right.

So I blog.

[avatar-dacia]

Is spirulina really more nutritious than beef? I think I've seen some vegangelists claim it proves that veganism is universally feasible.

The usual claim is that it’s a bioavailable vegan B12 source.  While it does contain a form of B12, it’s not a bioavailable one.  While a certain percentage of chlorella—a different alga—contains the bioavailable form, it’s in tiny amounts, not generally found in cultivated specimens, and far from universal.  And both of them are risky for people with autoimmune conditions.

@agro-carnist, @ableist-vegans, @fucknovegans

[mental-mona]

@hussyknee My apologies; I was trying to pre-empt the "but if you acknowledge that humans are bad stewards of the Earth right now and that excessive harm to animals is bad, surely you're vegetarian, right? Cuz you're a hypocrite if you're not!" clown crowd. Apparently I should've worried less about vegangelists and more about the actual sincere religious debate. I'm sorry for the effective derail.

One of the most disturbing things I encountered in my journey of converting to Judaism was this podcast where Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks made the case that what originally set Judaism apart from “pagan” belief systems at the time of its development was that it “de-sacralized nature”. Monotheism killed animism, in his view, so rather than being something alive and divine, “nature” became an essentially lifeless thing that humans can use. We have a responsibility to care for nature, but only because G-d gave it to us, not because of any intrinsic value in it.

Sacks wasn’t the first person to argue this idea— it’s popular enough among a certain crowd of antisemites— but what was so disturbing for me was Sacks’ unalloyed enthusiasm about this. “De-sacralizing nature” was a good thing in his view, because it made the modern world possible and allowed humanity to “rise above mere animal existence” or some shit. It still bothers me that he drew such a radically different conclusion from our tradition. My experience with Judaism has made me infinitely more sensitive to the rhythms of the natural world and my place in it. The idea that all of nature is alive and joins us in praising G-d is everywhere in our liturgy. The sacredness of the world used to be an abstraction to me, and Judaism taught me to feel it like my own pulse.

as someone raised Christian i'm probably highly ignorant to the differences between Christianity and Judaism apart from, yknow, the Jesus thing, but "monotheism= nature is a created Thing" seems to lead people to a variety of wildly different takes.

like, American Evangelicals are mostly the far extreme of this where the earth is a temporary and ultimately disposable thing, and ultimately doesn't matter because it's Heaven that matters, and "environmentalism" is equivalent to denying the faith. It's Bad.

I just wonder, where does the difference come in? between "God created this creature and therefore we should treat it as sacred because it's his thoughtful handiwork" and "God created this creature so we can do what we want with it"? What other ideas make people go down one path or another?

[mkultra00]

Vegangelists

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[corinthreean]

Also: we *all know* vegangelists are annoying, they represent like 10% of vegans!!!!

Another day, another tumblr user showing their ass by claiming veganism/vegetarianism are anti-indigenous as if cattle farming isn’t one of the main motivations for the theft of indigenous land throughout colonial history 🥹

[drferox]

What?

Anonymous said: Ever since I was a kid I’ve always wanted to be a vet. I’m 20 now and I’ve decided that being a vet tech would probably best for me. I love animals and I want to help them. But recently I’ve been seeing stuff around tumblr that veterinary medicine isn’t really for animals, it’s for people who love animals. Is that true? I just feel like if an animal was suffering they’d want you to help them right?? It just makes veterinary medicine sound selfish.

“Veterinary medicine isn’t for animals, it’s for people who love animals” - what is that even supposed to mean?

I genuinely have not come across these discussions, and I’m not entirely sure I want to. It’s just a confusing premise.

Are they arguing that veterinary medicine provides no benefit for animals? Because that’s a huge stretch and sounds more like a troll assertion than anything else.

Are they arguing that the interventions we can provide to improve the quality of life and extend the duration of life are purely for selfish human reasons and nothing else? Or that euthanasia, a dignified and peaceful death is not for the animal’s sake, but for the people watching it?

I am quite confused about what the point is supposed to be, and the idea whiffs a bit too much of the vegangelist idea that humans and animals shouldn’t interact at all, and that there should be no domestic species in our care, ever.

Veterinary medicine can be used to improve the lives of animals, and the people that associate with them. The humans must be considered of course, but the animals are the primary focus, or they’re damn well meant to be.

Where are these conversations happening? Because loving animals is certainly something you need, it’s just not the only thing you need. You need to be able to put emotions aside for a hot minute to do something about suffering in front of you.

Is it vets or people in the industry saying these things? Or some other group?