#vefve

[n3rdyw0rdy]

My thoughts on Vefve

I’ve been a fan of Ghost and Pals since 2018, and only in recent years have I joined the fandom. If you’ve seen my past tumblr account, you can tell that I’m quite the fan of Christopher Pierre (Aka: The Distortionist)

I’ve noticed Vefve when I saw her reference sheet for her version of Christopher Pierre and went down the pipeline of her works, and I’ve got some thoughts.

Selfshipping

I have no problem with self shipping at all, since I myself, if you couldn’t tell, make countless ocs for fandoms or characters I like.

What I do feel odd about is Vefve’s self ship with Christopher Pierre. I have heard that Vefve is in her early or late 20’s (I’m not completely certain, but she claimed to be an adult), which the character, Christopher, is 17.

I know she has stated that the version if Chris that she ships herself with is “aged up”, but Christopher, quite literally, hasn’t aged a bit in her art. Even if he’s supposed to be “24”, Vefve has done nothing to his design to indicate that he’s older than he canonically is, appearance wise, which rubs me the wrong way.

“He’s fictional”, I don’t hear you guys saying that when Erin Clover shipped herself with Bakugo while she was in her 30’s.

The Vampire Au

I wasn’t familiar with this AU or the fanfic that went along with it until recently.

I know that Vefve has made a statement saying how she doesn’t like the fanfic anymore, but I beg to differ.

For context, the fanfic consisted of Christopher Pierre as a Vampire, and Kennith Simmons (keep him in mind) as a victim. Christopher attacks Kennith and offed him, but then kissed the severed head of Kennith.

This fanfic is both odd and just weird to me. The random n3crophilia and weird romanticization of the situation leaves a weird taste in my mouth, and if anything, unnecessary.

I understand that Vefve wanted it to be a “horror” fic and not glamorized, but the fanfic itself does that. She even made the excuse that “vampires can’t control themself” or are mindless monsters, but even with that logic, I don’t think a mindless monster would make out with a severed head.

Even with Vefve’s statement of not liking the fic or au, she still mentions it a lot and even made art of the kiss scene, which discourages me to believe that she was honest about it.

Mischaracterization and Chrisken (christopher x kennith)

Probably the most prevalent excuse Vefve gives for defending this ship is that she “changed the characters” so the relationship isn’t as toxic as it would, and with that, fully mischaracterizing the two characters.

Vefve has changed Christopher to a “dominant nonchalant charismatic charmer” while Kennith is a “Sweet innocent boy”. This may be nitpicky of me, or over exaggerating their recharactsrizations, but I just personally dislike it. She also characterizes Kennith to be “child like”, which is really odd to me since canonically, he’s an adult and Christopher is still a minor. I know it’s only a one year age gap, but I have more thoughts on the ship itself below.

Now for the ship itself, I’m not a fan at all. Sorry. But don’t take this being the only reason I don’t really like Vefve, as seen above theres more understandable reasons for my distaste other than me being nitpicky. The ship itself doesn’t really work for me, especially by how realistically, it would be really toxic. Toxic ships have a right to exist, but I feel like if it got into the hands of Vefve or people like her, it would be glamorized to hell and back. (pun intended)

Other thoughts

Generally, the very risky and otherwise odd things she post of Christopher and the fanart her fans make her is very jarring, especially knowing the context of Christopher as a character and his age.

The dynamic of Vefve’s version of Chrisken is just really generic and oddly fetishistic. I’m not accusing anything, but being honest, their relationship feels like it was written by a person who just discovered gay people existed. Sorry. That was mean. But I’m trying to give my honest opinion.

Vefve’s behavior towards people who dislike her is somewhat immature for an adult. Yes, I do understand that some people send death threats to her which can be a bit overboard, but Vefve going out of her way to make post about them seems unnecessary if she can just block them.

I don’t like using the word cringe, but Vefve is cringe. Sorry. I genuinely hate using the word cringe by how watered down the meaning became, but I have no other label to think of when it comes to Vefve. Her fans are no different either. Sorry, that was also mean. Please don’t publicly execute me.

These were my honest thoughts on Vefve. I know that I might be dogpiled for even criticizing her for anything, but I feel like someone had so say at least something. If I missed anything, I’ll edit this, but whoever read through this whole thing and agree with me, have a good day. And if you disagree, also have a good day, but if please don’t associate with me.

And if Vefve is reading this, hi, stay cringe, but don’t thirst over canonically minor characters. Thank you.

[denzi-p]

Vefve: “no!!!! I don’t like that necrophilia fic I made years ago!!!!!! Stop bringing it up!!!!!!!”

Also Vefve, referencing it not even a month ago:

[wermie-real]

Another point on that one enigmatic freaky deaky one

we all know like "ooh vampire au kissing a decapitated head is fucking icky!!"

On the other points just go skim through erm @n3rdyw0rdy 's post on the whole thing

OKAY my point is er..

Maybe making a fan PV on SOTS isn't the best idea because I'm like 99 percent sure that shit is like ghost venting about how people dehumanize them constant WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A PV OUT OF A VENT SONG THATS SO INSENSITIVE??? omt I'm going to explode

[tjakev]

Stance regarding the Vefve situation

(TL;DR for those who suffer Attention Deficit like I do)

While yes what vefve has made is undeniably weird, I don’t think it’s a justification to those who are becoming almost unhealthy obsessed and will dedicate their entire blog to hating on Vevfe.

LONG STATEMENT:

I’ve been following this whole Vefve situation for a bit now, it’s insane to consider since I wouldn’t even be on tumblr without Vefve via their about page on youtube.

So when I started browsing and discovered this overwhelming hate for Vefve I was initially shocked and yet also intrigued, I learned more. By the end of it, I came to the conclusion that there were parts that were well deserving of Criticism, and others that I think were kind of overblown, mainly by a small yet vocal minority of especially butthurt Vefve Critics, to the point where it was creepy within itself.

I’ll start with the stuff I believe is worth critiquing, then the stuff I’m 50/50 on, then with the stuff I feel like was overblown, ending with how bad some have been about this whole shebang.

The Chris x Kennith ship:

This was the one where I felt like it was justified in terms of critiquing, Chris’s entire schtick is he’s a self entitled manipulative scumbag who has no issue mentally breaking down people one by one, and he’ll smile the whole way through. While Kennith was a Homosexual who was gullible, manipulated by Evelyn into basically almost causing an apocalyptic style mass murder and ended up taking his own life. So to ship One of the most Manipulative characters with one of the most Mentally destroyed is like trying to mix Water and Oil, it’s completely backwards in terms of logic and common sense. I know Vefve has this whole Fnaf fan styled “Alternate Universe” where the characters are slightly tweaked, but removing Chris’s manipulative behavior is like removing Frank Sinatra’s ability to sing, you completely remove the entire reason Chris is the way he is.

Not to mention the two were born almost a century apart, and Chris’s soul stayed in the Manor making it almost impossible for the two to really meet.

Vefve’s Immaturity and Echochamber:

Another thing that Chrisoncrack brought up as their main argument was how immature Vefve was and has been throughout this whole 2-3 month scandal. Their inability to take criticism and feedback, mostly bad feedback, is the whole thing that’s been stirring the pot that is this drama.

Instead of either Apologizing or standing her own ground(IN A MATURE MANNER). She instead throws a hissy fit and blocks anyone who dares to give her the slightest pushback, I’ve seen many and talked to many who’ve been blocked for some of the most simplistic call out posts or comments, hell they don’t even need to do that! They just need to simply reblog someone else’s posts and BOOM you’re blocked. Also I’m fully aware Vefve will probably block me too, not remembering I can use Alt accounts or Safari lol.

Vefve also constantly teases the people criticizing her by drawing art of the Chris and Kennith stuff(which I’ll go into depth about next).

Next is the topic I’m 50/50 about.

Vefve self shipping with Chris:

I’ve seen many people get mad at how Vefve self ships/simps for Christopher Pierre(which does explain why she washed any manipulative habits of his away but I digress).

Chris is 17 while Vefve is 23 meaning that it would be considered Pedophillic or illegal for Vefve to ship themselves with Chris. Now yes, I 100% agree that it’s odd to be an adult and ship yourself with someone who is underage. Where I become divided on this is the fact that 1. She has been shipping herself with Chris since she’s been apart of the community, which has been 5-6 years meaning that she was 16-17 when she started shipping herself with Chris. Aka a minor, so this isn’t an instance of an adult whose shipping themselves with a minor all the sudden while they’re an adult. This is an instance of a minor shipping themselves with another minor, but Vefve became an adult after the fact.

Once again I still think it’s weird, in general I think self shipping is weird in general. But I don’t think we should be throwing the word Pedophile with Vefve without substantial evidence, especially when entire peoples careers like Alex Kister and Pyrocynical have been almost thrown away because of false Pedophile allegations people threw around and everyone accepted.

Finally onto the only overblown topic:

Vefve’s fan comic and the Necrophilia Accusations.

Oh boy I might get some shit because of this, but honestly I didn’t think from at least what I’ve read that the comic isn’t that bad. Is it weird to have these Characters who represent various forms of Trauma and Abuse be Halloween monsters, yes. Is it weird Chris killed kennith and then basically made out with his decapitated head, of course.

But to say that there was this underlining tone or message of Necrophilia is a WILD thing to say. I don’t like the comic either and I sorta don’t wanna defend it . But The comic is about horror and as such the part of Chris kissing Kennith’s head was probably written to be an extreme form of horror. But to say that this is Vevfe’s underlying fetish is a very out of pocket thing to say and the fact she’s being harassed over this fact amazes me. Because this is exactly what happened to the creator of “The Coffin of Andy and Leyley”. Where a part of the game has the siblings “do the do”. Which was supposed to be a shock value moment and supposed to be taken as a bad ending. Turned into people accusing the creator of being into incest, to the point where the harassment was so bad they had to sell the rights and basically erase their own existence off the internet.

And I don’t think we should be accusing someone because they decided to add a form of horror to their horror based story, I know authors will often add stuff in their story’s that’s underlying of their actual motives and thought process. But it’s one thing if it gets really nsfw and sexual and constant in their works and it’s another thing if it’s a one and done thing in the media.

Now let’s get onto the echo chambers on BOTH sides of the spectrum.

First starting with Vefve fans, I’ve been seeing a lot of things fans of Vefve have been doing that is insane, from the metaphorical meat riding of her to apparently doxxing someone on tik tok. It’s honestly wild how close minded her defenders are, I get defending what you love but Jesus, there’s defending someone and then there’s ruining someone else’s life over petty tumblr drama most won’t care about or remember in 5 years.

This goes both ways, I won’t name drop who but there’s this user I’ve been noticing who has a massive hate boner for Vefve and anyone who slightly defends her is given the boot and is told to basically kick rocks and fuck off. Even if they have a decent point. Once again it’s okay to defend and criticize someone but if it comprises most of your modern blog page and it becomes this almost obsession, it just makes you look worse than the people you accuse. Go outside, get some Ice cream and go on a walk, trust me, it’s a better way to spend your time than to ramble about tumblr drama in a niche community for months. Trust me I’m already losing my mind after typing this for an hour and a half.

I won’t be bringing this topic up again and anything I need to add will simply be edited into this post cause I don’t like to constantly reignite drama. I only made this cause I wanted to get it out of the way before people started asking me to pick sides and shit. If you have any counter arguments or points you wanna bring up, absolutely feel free to do so! Just PLEASE keep it Civil and friendly.

That’s all, stay tuned for more drawings of Slurpee and Friends I got in the works, Stay cool, stay chill,

AAAAAAAAAND P E A C E

[methamphetaminelol]

Hey so groomve just sent me a paragraph and blockd me.. (thanks to my bffs name i will not be sharing. The ss is from her<3)

I dont wven have a attraction to school shooters.. im just intrested in the cases. I am attracted to no one since im aroace and even if i was itd be my bff max dince we call eachothers bfs and stuff..

and my profile changed becouse i lost a hyperfixation. I have a new one wow. And its a mirderer,i know edgy,but im not hurting anyone. And not shipping myself with minors as a grown adult woman!

(Im a minor thats 13 but whatever)

Oh and m header was changed becouse i kinda lost my columbine obbsesion and i dont wanna trigger people. I mean i can put it as gore again if i wanted to lol

[skellyweb]

someone is stealing my identity on rule.34

I'm just making a post about this to nip it in the bud before anybody sees this and tries to ask me about it. There's someone on rule.34 using my username and posting edited versions of my art.

(and just to keep things especially clear, I didn't find this out because I frequently look at the ghost and pals tag on rule.34. I was reverse image searching my art just because sometimes I like to see if anyone has reposted it lol)

Basically, like a week or so ago I drew a funny little drawing and sent it to Veeeffvee's inbox. I was just doing a bit of trolling, you know. It was a drawing of Christopher Pierre voring her and had "Vefve x Chris" written on it. I did not draw it with sexual intent. I am not into vore. I just thought it was very funny. I also did not post it anywhere; it was only shared in Vefve's asks. Somehow someone saw this image and removed all of the parts that had Veeeffvee attached to it, and then posted it to the site under my username.

This person also made several comments under my name.

The interesting thing about these comments you may notice is that they follow a certain unique writing style that someone in this fandom uses. Another interesting note to add is that Vefve never answered this ask publicly, meaning only she and anyone who she possibly shared it to could have seen it.

Something else that is a little interesting is that Veeeffvee has been namedropping me on her blog. Specifically under the idea that I'm the only person criticizing her for having a creepy relationship with her (majority) underage fans.

(also, just for the record I did not send this ask. I wouldn't have had a reason to be on anon since vefve already knows how I feel about her.)

What I'm saying, is that to me, it looks like vefve is annoyed by my criticism of her and is impersonating my identity to try and create some sort of blackmail or leverage against me so that my criticism looks less valid. Which is interesting because I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who's criticized her for her creepy relationship with her fans. What is also interesting, is that I am 17. Christopher Pierre may not be a real person, but I am. And if this really is Vefve or one of her friends doing this, then it means that she's impersonating a minor in order to post on porn sites and make sexually explicit comments as well as post fetish material. Which definitely wouldn't help her case against the accusations of being a creep. If this isn't you, Vee, I really think you should find some good evidence that this wasn't you or someone in your posse. You are literally the only person who would have seen that image.

[n3rdyw0rdy]

I think vefve blocked me for my post of giving her genuine criticism on her behavior, says a lot about her. She shows signs no signs of improving herself and ignoring/blocking anyone who speaks bad on her behalf. I can’t say I’m surprised though.

(also apparently alexbstudios made an alt account and commented on that post, i didn’t find out it was them until vefve made a post revealing it was them, so i blocked them immediately, but now she probably assumes that I associate with them now, oh my glob)

[denzi-p]

Did vefve delete her tumblr account or something I genuinely cant find her account anymore

Or maybe I was just blocked so

Update: yeah I got blocked

[chrisoncrack]

hey fern! maybe dont doxx and pretend to be someone just because they hate on your idol who is an emotional groomer!

[veeffveeehater1]

confirmed

PROOF I AM NOT ALEX

[orangeleftyart]

Drawing of Crispy I did while I was out camping:

Bonus sketch:

(One of my friends wanted me to draw him holding a detached eyeball >:3 lol)

[skellyweb]

Christopher x Vefve 2024 Best Ship OTP Fuck You

Heyyy I heard people were talking shit about vefve in the main tag again so I thought I'd draw this! Some harmless ship art that hurts zero irl people! :D

Y'know I don't even like drawing indulgent selfship art of other people in the first place, who knew that the push I needed was pure spite? Thanks for the confidence guys!!! <3

[purgdotcom]

Are we just gonna forget that Deadly-Espresso drew literal nsfw of ghost and pals characters... and Nazi art lol. Like. Ik their art is objectively good but seeing as we've all realized collectively how strange Vefve is I feel like we should be able to call out Espresso now.

This art is clearly suggestive (it's still up) (I.E. the bunny suit, norman being tied up, and the drawing at the bottom.

And this piece is literally fucking titled "Thicker than a boat of oatmeal."

While Cakey isn't a minor this is still... SUPER WEIRD!!?!? And it's all up publically! And a clear violation of ghost's boundaries.

Not to mention WW2 Japan x Germany which idk if its really too problematic but it seems off to me (this art is from 2021 so I do give them the benefit of the doubt as there is no further WW2 ship art)

I'm just. SO fucking tired of having to see them in the fandom all the time since they're one of those fanartists that you see everywhere and is decently popular in the fandom

(I'm still gathering screenshots of this next part since I need to dig for hopefully not deleted messages I just want to get this post out since I really want to take a nap) And when asked if the art was sexual in a public server they threw a hissy fit and claimed it wasn't sexual. (If evidence is not found I will edit this paragraph out as I cannot back it)

In conclusion.

I really just. Want Deadly-Espresso to address this shit.

(P.S. this next bit is just a grievance but I dislike when they give flat-chested characters like tessera boobs idk it just. really bugs me.)

Sorry for the shitty formatting I don't know how to use tumblr good yet lmao. I also attatched the tumblr version of the ghost drawings because yeah.

sorry if this makes no sense I'm running off little sleep. </3

[goidsuop]

t

accidentally joined a vefve attack community thing

I don’t support vefve, but it’s better to leave her alone than attack her. no matter what you do she’s not gonna stop doing what she’s doing

pls don’t attack me

[denzi-p]

Well that makes sense on why “Oscar” blocked me then

[orangeleftyart]

Bro?! What the hell is wrong with her?!

The more I learn about her, the more disturbed I am! I don’t care if any of y’all support her, she’s got problems! Sorry not sorry!

whaaaat!!! vevfe now knows what i say about her!?!!! im boutta shit myself!

(what she wrote was lowkey scaring me."im all that he think about~" when im say im chris i dont mean it literally 😥 GET OUT!!!) (fr tho...why did bro add the "~" too 😥😥😥