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chofitia · 7 years ago

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Fic Writers Week 2017: Day One

Words Of Validation - Fic Readers, take some time to leave new comments / Fic Writers, share some of the comments that stuck with you the most.

I’m going in chronological order for this, so first, some of the comments that have stuck with me haven’t been comments, exactly, but art. Like, artists drawing fanart, particularly of my OC’s, which just makes me smile thinking about it. (Even if I get super embarrassed to look at them directly for long periods of time.)

For actual words, off to Livejournal! Where I should really fix my theme because apparently Photobucket doesn’t like me anymore! It’s fucking amazing how much shit I produced that started off with “@ninjatwins or @jukeboxhound made me do it”.

It’s also amazing how much of the comment threads are pretty much me and @ninjatwins and/or @jukeboxhound shooting the shit with only tangential links to the fic. (The Livejournal link leads to my ff7 tag, which is miraculously holds a lot of fic.)

I’ve got an InsaneJournal, too, but I didn’t format it well so I don’t want to dive through everything to find comments. orz

Now I should go to the Fanfiction.net days, which were also days where I was super depressed and the Soul Series was trying to get me out of it.

From Hero Genkaku for “The Find”:

*Claps* Yeah! This by far has to be the best portrayal of Amy I've ever read! She's street smart, cunning and tough as nails! It's exactly as I pictured her to be! Beautiful grammar and vocabulary. I'm about to write another chapter for my SC2 fic that will focus on Raphael and Amy as well! Please look it up and tell me how I did with my amy...Er when ever I post it that is. Okay?

This is going to be a great fic! I'm totally into Raphael and amy stories! Keep going! Keep going!

(That fic is a one-shot. A lot of the comments didn’t realize that. Of course my dumb ass didn’t mark it as “complete” and now that’s kind of a moot point because... umm... it’s been years? I mean to go back and revisit it but then I remember how Namco did House Sorel in the rest of the Soul Series and I’m just upset.)

And now for AO3. I’ve got this weird relationship with AO3 because I still think of it as “This is where the Good Fic goes, and obviously my fic is trash” even though they’ve said they’ve wanted all manner of fannish thing.

Anyway, the organization of challenges and exchanges on AO3 make me get out of a non-writing stupor from December to March and then once again in June and July so... good. Which is why I read this one comment and I’m just “I did that? My writing did that?”

From @boomchickfanfiction for “A Fractured Fairy Tale” (A remix of her work for the FF7 Remix Challenge:

Oh no OH NO OH NO OH!!!! OH THIS IS SO GOOD!!!! THIS IS 100% MY AESTHETIC OMG, FAIRY TALES AND SORROW AND LOVE AND... Oh my gosh I can't believe you wrote such a marvelous piece about my stories!!! Thank you SO SO SO SO much! This made my heart both swell and break to read! I absolutely adored every moment. Particularly your strong stylization, and the fairytale retellings of moments in Sephiroth's life! That was SO TASTY!!! I would call this experiment of yours as successful as Sephiroth, and I mean that in all of the best ways and none of the worst ones! Thank you, thank you, thank you! (faves) (recs) (loves forever)

And a tag comment, because I fucking read all your tags like a no-lifer.

from @destiny-islanders for a bunch of things based on her FFXV/Hocus Pocus Fusion:

#this made my DAY

#ficwritersweek #final fantasy vii #soul calibur ii #final fantasy xv #chofitia #long post

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bluefloret · 7 years ago

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Hey. I wanna talk about That Post.

I totally get what you’re saying! People should absolutely be mindful and conscientious about the content they create, particularly when portraying trauma of any sort. And you have the right to say that, it is a valid statement. But the fact that I had to take a step back, breathe deep, and go looking through your tumble in search of clarification just to understand what you meant really says that your original statement was very, VERY poorly worded. I cannot understate how poorly worded your statement was, no matter how accurate it may be.

In addition, I think you are conflating people writing about trauma with people JOKING about trauma they’ve written about/plan to write about? People write about trauma and put their characters through bad things for many reasons, and I’m sure you know that. But your original post seems to imply that by joking about what people put their characters through, they are somehow disregarding or disrespecting the trauma itself.

I am sure there are people who put little thought into what they do to their characters, but the vast majority of serious writers think very carefully before doing things like that. Moreover, these things are often either reflections of things that have happened to those writers, or heavily researched because they want to be as accurate in their storytelling as possible even if they’re not worried about being respectful. These characters are our babies, they’re part of us like even children cannot be since they came out of our minds and we shape every part of them- yes, even their trauma. And no one is going to care about them like we do, that’s a fact. And- I’m sorry, I’m actually getting a little upset. Calming down, refocusing. Woo.

Look, you make a very good point, but the way you stated it was incredibly tone-deaf and disrespectful of the content creators. The comics do not show flippancy towards the traumas we write, they show solidarity with other content creators who are also struggling to do their characters justice and approaching the difficulties it poses with humor and community rather than shame.

Comments like the one you made, however well-meant, are the same sort of hurtful comments many deal with or have dealt with from their abusers and the abusers’ enablers: that these topics are shameful and should not be addressed in polite company, never with humor, and certainly not taken out in a constructive manner in order to work through things and get better, and also do not look for community because what you are doing is trash and anyone who would agree with such comics is also trash and none of these people deserve any support.

This is probably not what you meant to say or even imply, but that’s what happened anyway, and it also seems like instead of saying “I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings (you did), I did not mean to, what I meant to say was THIS…”, you’ve sort of gone “well that’s not what I meant and if they thought I meant that they’re just wrong and probably butthurt about nothing.” Like, you seem to have either misread the situation so badly or misspoke so badly that. Honestly I am not sure what words to use here. You really fucked up, I’m sorry. You had a valid opinion and you spoke it in the worst possible way, like it came for people’s souls and it was obviously devised to hurt, even if you ended up hurting people you didn’t mean to.

It reminds me of that comic, where the woman says when was hurt because of what someone said. That person says they didn’t mean to, and she responds that she understands it was unintentional but she was still hurt and deserves an apology, to which the other person only replies again “but I didn’t mean to!”

If you have read to the end of this, I respect your tenacity because I realize I am not at my most eloquent and also not saying the kindest things, so if you got this far, thank you.

Okay so I’m just going to break down my response to this, cause I already know it’s going to get long. But. I’m going to have to disagree on some things here. So I’ll just take it piece by piece.

First of all, thank you for acknowledging this. I appreciate that.

I cannot understate how poorly worded your statement was, no matter how accurate it may be.

Some people have said this before you. To which I point out that it was a off-the-head post I made early in the morning to an audience that usually gives me an average of 2-6 notes per post. I had no idea the breadth my post would gain in just a few short hours, let alone the days since. My post was never intended for an enormous audience. And if you respond “Well you should make every post with the thought that it might blow up” that’s just… unrealistic? I was mad about a thing, I make a quick text post thinking 2 people will see it. I can’t write a formal essay of points every time i have a minor irritation. That’s all it was meant to be.

But your original post seems to imply that by joking about what people put their characters through, they are somehow disregarding or disrespecting the trauma itself.

Here’s a problem I have with the rest of the argument you outline, and it starts here. People joking about abusing their characters absolutely can disregard the abuse you’re putting them through. Which is what my post was about, people who joke about trauma in a way that is disrespectful and shows a fetishistic nature. People joke about abusing their ocs and writing abuse in a way that implies that they are gaining gratification out of the act of harming their ocs often enough that it’s something that becomes disrespectful to the sensitivity of the topic they’re writing.

You can’t tell me you use the internet and haven’t seen people make the comics like the one I was referring to, use phrases like “I love this character, I can’t wait to beat them up >:3″ or talk about how much they love seeing their favorite characters bruised and broken and crying. People LOVE that stuff and it’s everywhere. Go into any fanfiction tag and you’ll see loads of fiction about tearing characters apart. Now is that instantly bad? No, I’ve already covered in other responses how I don’t believe writing dark fiction or trauma is automatically bad. But, often you will find people really, really enjoying it in a way I find CREEPY and DISTURBING and I will not hesitate to tell you that!

I am sure there are people who put little thought into what they do to their characters, but the vast majority of serious writers think very carefully before doing things like that.

Where is your proof of this… how can you personally prove to me that a “majority” of “serious writers” (with no quantifications) take trauma seriously and don’t fetishize it.

In turn, it is only fair that I admit I can’t prove the opposite, but I have existed in this life and on the internet long enough to see plenty of fanart, fanfiction, and canon media and writing that fetishizes abuse.

Moreover, these things are often either reflections of things that have happened to those writers, or heavily researched because they want to be as accurate in their storytelling as possible even if they’re not worried about being respectful.

1: Just because you research it doesn’t mean you’re being respectful.

I don’t give a hot damn if someone puts 100 hours of research into reading about abuse if they STILL are really creepy and disrespectful about it! Why would I want someone writing abuse if they aren’t going to be respectful about it? They’ll just reinforce negative stereotypes or, again, fetishize it or romanticize it. In that case I prefer that they had NEVER WRITTEN IT AT ALL. It’s like a straight person who researches gay people then writes a gay character with a bunch of negative stereotypes and makes them into a walking joke. “But at least they wrote a gay character” is no defense, they’d still have fucked up the writing really bad and I still would’ve prefered they hadn’t done the character in the first place.

2: And this is really going to shock you, but, abuse survivors can write and talk about abuse in a disgusting manner as well.

Every other damn note in my post is someone going “UMM OP IM TRAUMATIZED SO I CAN DO IT?” and like. If you’re a trauma survivor and you want to project trauma onto your ocs, that’s fine! I never said that was wrong. What I was critiquing was the fetishistic way people talk about abuse, and guess what, abuse survivors can do it too! I’ve had abuse survivors be abusive and talk about abuse in a way that makes me HIGHLY uncomfortable. It sucks and it’s a terrible thing to go through- abuse- but that doesn’t mean you get to talk about abusing your characters IN A PUBLIC SETTING in a way that sounds incredibly creepy! If it’s in pubilc you can be exposing other abuse survivors to your language and actions and it is completely irresponsible to not take responsibility in that case and be extra mindful of how you portray your own ocs that have went through abuse.

(Also not that you would have seen it since my post exploded, but in the very original post I did make a tag specifically calling out non-abuse survivors for this behavior)

Look, you make a very good point, but the way you stated it was incredibly tone-deaf and disrespectful of the content creators.

1: I am a content creator you ding dong. I write stories and make art too.

2: Even if I wasn’t? How does that take away my ability to critique content creators portraying a thing badly. Can gay people no longer talk about creators being homophobic? Trans people can’t point out transphobia any more? If you’re going “no, no, that’s not what I meant” then what DID you mean. I have every right to critique how people treat a subject that’s personal to me, especially when they haven’t experienced it.

The comics do not show flippancy towards the traumas we write, they show solidarity with other content creators who are also struggling to do their characters justice and approaching the difficulties it poses with humor and community rather than shame.

I mean you’re just pulling words out of your ass here. You literally just invented this meaning. “But Saraza, THIS is what those comics mean” you say. Um, okay, but it doesn’t and you don’t get to be the definer of that. Especially using the word ‘solidarity’, if that implies you are on the outside looking in on the topic of abuse (which I have no way of knowing and won’t presume about you).

In fact I am holding this discussion purely on the chance that you might be an abuse survivor and therefore might deserve a response, but I hope you know that if you aren’t an abuse survivor you have literally no place in this discussion. Like, I won’t make assumptions about you, maybe you are and all this was in your place, but if you aren’t, don’t ever bother responding to me again.

Comments like the one you made, however well-meant, are the same sort of hurtful comments many deal with or have dealt with from their abusers

I hope you know how literally disgusting it is to compare an abuse survivor to being an abuser just because I asked people not to fetishize abuse.

Like I entertained the rest of your argument but you have GOT to know this is just a vile, ugly thing to do.

This is probably not what you meant to say or even imply, but that’s what happened anyway

WHY ARE YOU BLAMING ME FOR OTHER PEOPLE’S MISINTERPRETATIONS OF MY POST AND NOT ARGUING WITH THE IDIOTS WHO CAN’T READ.

I can not comprehend how entitled you people are with how you demand that I defend and explain words I NEVER said and arguments I NEVER made. Go argue with the people who can’t fucking read my posts maybe????

It’s neither my onus, duty, or responsibility to explain meanings I never made. I can extrapolate on my original post but if you’re asking me to apologize for arguments OTHER people made on my post, I literally don’t know what to tell you other than. What the hell.

and it also seems like instead of saying “I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings (you did), I did not mean to, what I meant to say was THIS…”, you’ve sort of gone “well that’s not what I meant and if they thought I meant that they’re just wrong and probably butthurt about nothing.”

I’m just flat out not going to apologize to people upset about things I didn’t say and didn’t do??? It’s not a case of “I did something wrong unintentionally and therefore I should apologize anyway”, it’s a case of “I did nothing wrong but everyone is taking my words out of context and yelling at me for things I never said”. Which, I don’t feel the need to apologize for, shockingly!

In fact part of the abuse I experienced was being constantly forced to apologize for anything and everything that wasn’t even my fault just to make my abuser happy. So, it’s no surprise that I don’t want to do that here???

If people want me to clarify my wording I’ll do that all damn day but if people are going to be mad about stuff I never said, that’s their dick to jerk.

Last of all, you’re a markiplier fandom blog literally what do I care what you think

#that one post #abuse /#abuse post #LONG POST #TEXT HEAVY #submission #oceantxt #abuse

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