#trigun thoughts

[mega-ringsandthings-world]

Ooh, does no one ever talk about the fact that Wolfwood is Knives’ proxy? Look, Vash and Wolfwood only met because of Knives? Everything they find in each other and are to each and become because of each other? It’s all because of Knives? And Knives doesn’t know and probably could not even fathom how he could be responsible? Knives fucked them both up and sent them both into the great wide world, Vash ran from Knives and Knives sent Wolfwood running after Vash. Vash, Knives’ little brother, the one who needs to be protected, the one who walks astray from Knives, Wolfwood, the big brother, the protector, the babysitter, the one who is supposed to lead Vash back on the path to his brother. And Knives truly had no idea what he was doing? He has this man handcrafted and sent to Vash and of course Vash regards Wolfwood as a gift rather than a curse. Vash and Knives are two parts of one whole and Knives sends Vash a cheap copy of one of those parts and it does everything Knives has been aiming to do better than Knives himself? It is lover, brother, friend, protector, betrayer, priest, partner to Vash. It is everything Knives wants to be to Vash and should have been. And it’s human. Vash kills because of Wolfwood, he overrides the things Rem taught him because of Wolfwood. He does what Knives has well-nigh been begging Vash to do for over a century because of Wolfwood. Fellas, is your unintentional simulacrum something you should be so jealous of you should be bleeding from the eyes and mouth but you don’t even know you should be jealous because you’ve never spared a thought to just what the fuck you did? And Vash? Vash loves this punisher, this monster, this assassin, this Judas Knives sent him. This man is Knives’ thing, but yet he’s not, this man is just like Knives but yet he is very much not, this man is here because of Knives but yet he is not? This man is not human but yes he is? He’s human and Vash can love in him all the things he hates in his brother because he is human? Wolfwood is a big brother, he’s a protector, he’s a pessimist to Vash’s doomed optimism, he’s by Vash’s side and will never leave, he’s back to back with Vash and Vash is whole again, he’s Knives in a funhouse glass darkly and of course Vash clings to him. Wolfwood is Knives’ quintessential token of his love and devotion and neither he or Vash or Wolfwood knows. Knives gave Vash his paradise after all, he gave Vash his world for just the two of them, he gave Vash the thing that made Vash want a paradise, and a world apart. He gave him Nicholas D. Wolfwood. If Knives ever understood that he’d fucking chew glass.  

[vitamimesea]

2023 is such an insane year for trigun bc we have:

-Trigun stampede bringing many new fans and reviving the show’s popularity

-bigolas dickolas incident

-trimax getting reprint after 15 years

-barbie and oppenheimer releasing on vash and knives’ birthday

[fifthpilot]

Can't believe we were given the most standard formula for almost every childhood friends to lovers backstory with Wolfwood and Livio..

Loner x loner, indirect kiss, running away from an authority figure hand in hand, sleeping together UNDER A FUCKING CHURCH BELL.. then meeting again under the most heartbreaking circumstances after one made an enormous sacrifice for the other.

Like its not even just their backstory its their whole fucking story. A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF ROMANCE!

And here when Vash asks Wolfwood if there's something Livio can never forget and Wolfwood knows its him, knows how precious he is to Livio, knows how Livio can recognize him by his scent alone, and purposefully blowing smoke to his face- if this isn't romance i don't know what is.

[pentragonart]

You know all these soulmark-AU fanfictions? Imagine a Trigun-FF were Vash doesn’t know what his soulmark is because it´s been under all this scartissue and he can’t see it and so he kinda forgets that it even exists?

[rainbow-pop-arts]

Trigun MB Thoughts Part 1

Hey, y’all! So @trigunbookclub is over but they said the after party will go on until the end of October, so for that I wanna share my review on Trigun Multiple Bullets! 

Thoughts on Badlands Rumble Extra 1 & 2 under the cut! 

So like good ol’ Trigun, Vash got caught by some bad guys. That guy looks like Batman’s penguin villain and that other guy looks…uhm… 

Then Vash escaped with the help of Wolfwood, Meryl and Milly

Holy crap, it’s Brilliant Dynamites Neon (Nah that’s a different character but he does look like him)

Classic Trigun gang dynamic 

Then they met this kid named Rayne and the guy who looks like Neon is named Balzac (pfffft I’m sorry but that name sounds like something else) 

Apparently, the Dodongo took over the village and made it become like Spider-Punk’s universe! >:0

One of the things that I love about Vash is that he loves playing with kids 

VASHWOOD VASHWOOD VASHWOOD- 

Woah!! The guy that looks like Neon is a traitor!! 😱

BATTLE!!!

(Heathers the Musical)

Anyways, the bad guys are defeated YAAAAAAY! :D

FInal thoughts: Sorry, I guess I don’t have much thoughts on this cuz it does feel like a ’98 Trigun episode. (￣∀ ￣; ) But they are Badlands Rumble Extras, which does remind me that I should check out the movie.  Anyways, It’s cool to see Mr. Nightow’s art here cuz this was in…2010? 2011? I dunno, but that’s like 2 or 3 years after the end of Trigun Maximum!! 😃👍

[shantalangel]

A very interesting topic are these humans and Plants hybrids.

I doubt they were naturally born - humans aren't cool enough to be able to get pregnant by a "biblical angel" - so it seems to me that Plant cells are planted into human embryos, and those mutate into a hybrid creature. Similar happened to Legato in old anime (his power, which is never explained in Maximum, in old anime was a result of implanting Vash's severed arm), and in new one both of Elendira's eyes are different color and the blue of them may belong Tesla because only it has Plant eyelashes (especially since earlier Dr. Konrad reacted strangely to the similar looking eye, spliced with Nai's angelic claws).

And the following questions arise:

1) For Plants, the main part of their body and, maybe, where their consciousness is contained, is a metaphysical core in another dimension (it is interesting, by the way, that even the half-decayed physical body of Tesla found by the twins was listed as "Alive" in the spacecraft system. I think Plants are able to leave their mutilated or dead bodies and move into new ones - it would be logical; why does Tesla keep a connection with hers?). So with which core hybrids are connected: their own somehow created, a core of the Plant with whom they were spliced, or have no core at all and their body functions with human mind? If there is no core, where do they get the power for angelic weapons?

2) Can they communicate telepathically with the Plants and each other?

3) How much weaker or stronger a hybrid compared to Independent?

4) Can they merge into one being, like sisters with Nai in manga?

5) Why hybrid infants looks nothing like Independents, humans, sisters and Elendira?

[typingdyslexiaisathing]

Gonna be real here. If I was part of the Trigun gang, I would be the cynical but nurturing older sibling type. The one that makes sarcastic comments at the others.

I would be sewing up ripped jeans, being the polite one who pays at the grocery store, making sure the boys wash behind their ears.

I would also be the one giving the hugs to Vash and Wolfwood, telling Meryl to take deep breaths when angry, and just reminding the group they are valued.

[volaenii]

| Trigun Stampede Episode 6 Ramble

Before writing this whole thing I’m about to go on, I just want to say that i will be talking about major trimax spoilers, specifically for volume 10 as well as spoilers for tristamp (obviously)! so if you haven’t read trimax, maybe skip this post! Anyways, onto the ramble!

I’ve had this thought for a while now — since I’ve first watch stampede — but I’m dumb and don’t know how to out my thoughts into words. Along with this, I’m sure there are others who have made posts talking about this exact thing but I don’t care, I just want to brainrot and cry over this.

So, episode 6 of tristamp — “Once Upon a Time in Hopeland” — is the episode in which we as the audience are finally given a glimpse into Wolfwood and Livio’s childhood at the orphanage. And immediately, something stands out about this entire scene — the artstyle changes.

Instead of the typical CG/3D models that we the audience are used to, we are given this sketchy, simplistic, 2D animation style instead — almost similar to that of which you’d find in a children’s book. This of course, is completely different in comparison to what Tristamp had shown us previously. All the other flashbacks we had been shown thus far had still been rendered in CG. But this. This scene in particular is the only one with this art style. With that being said, it’s safe to assume that Studio Orange did this with the specific purpose of making this scene feel special and distinct. To make it stand out and to signal it’s importance.

Now, with that being said, why would studio orange go out of there way to make a distinct artistic style just for this moment? Not to mention, why make it only geared towards Wolfwood and Livio? Well… I think studio orange is going to use it in relation to Wolfwoods death.

Like, okay hear me out, I’ve seen some people say that there worried wolfwood won’t die next season (for whatever reason) but like THE DEATH FLAGS ARE ALREADY THERE!

LIKE!! THE FUCKING BELL?? HELLO?? JUST THROW IN SOME CONFETTI WHILE YOUR AT IT! (IM SOBBING SO LOUDLY)

But anyways, back on topic. I think they’ll use this 2D artstyle in a way to make wolfwoods death hit like a fucking train. Like… after rewatching tristamp for the second time, I couldn’t help but feeling like this whole artstyle choice is going to bite us in the ass later.

Like…y’all… I can see the fucking confetti falling in this artstyle…

Now, this last segment of this ramble is just gonna be me speaking in “what if’s” and just spewing out made up scenes based on this idea since obviously we have no clue what studio orange plans on doing. But anyways, here it goes.

So like…imagine studio orange finally adapting the couch scene, with Vash and Wolfwood having their last drink. Now obviously, the scene would prolly go similarly to the manga, with Wolfwood saying that he’s sorry for saying his smiles were empty and vash telling him to not say stupid things. Cue in the confetti beginning to fall, and in Wolfwoods perspective it shifts art style. And to make it even more fucked up, they could do the thing were it flashes between this and then back to the normal CG models; between Wolfwoods contentment of his death and being at peace with it — depicted like a children book — versus the CG — the true reality of it… the one vash is experiencing as he begs god for just one thing.

On a side note, I’m so so so fucking scared and excited for what Orange has in store, considering the fact that they’ve already paralleled the one fucking confetti frame from the manga (which I will not show cuz I cant look at those panels but if you know, you know) and like, I don’t know, I think I’m just gonna be a mess when that arc gets adapted.

Anyways, UH, I KNOW THERES PROLLY A POST THAT HAS SAID THE SAME SHIT BEFORE BUT BETTER BUT I JUST HAVE HAD IT IN MY BRAIN FOREVER SO UH YEAH!

Take these screenshots as a gift! 💕

Thanks for reading my dumb thoughts!

[setsuntamew]

Trying to ride in the car with the household and instead of sitting peacefully while my wife drives I'm consumed with emotions about Legato because....??

it's Bluesummers Week

song lyrics got me feeling a way

Mental Illness™️

so now here I am trying to be normal while everyone else is having a regular time because I am NOT having a regular time. like. he's such a weird dude. he's fucking baffling and fucking nuts and canonically a literal fucking psychopath and he's so damn tired of everyone asking why he's so unflinchingly loyal to Knives, despite the way Knives treats him and, like, that entire mess.

And like, I get it? Knives is so dismissive and cruel and Legato is so desperate to tear himself to pieces purely to serve Knives's every desire; of course it seems fucking crazy. Legato is not a stupid man. His intelligence and ability to actually get shit done are some of the reasons he's such a dangerous antagonist, and tbh the only thing holding him back is his crippling need to put his devotion to Knives far, far above his own basic needs.

Despite Knives's callous attitude towards him, Legato's loyalty doesn't falter, even after decades of service, and it just makes me wonder what the hell else is going on behind the scenes with them. Is it really just what we see? One instance of Knives saving him from utter despair is apparently enough to throw away all dignity and independence? Is it that he's been in servitude his entire life and he'd rather be in a cage of his own choosing? Are there countless missing scenes of them having any sort of interaction that isn't forcing Legato further and further beneath him?

I'd like to think there's more but I'd also like to know what the fuck is going on in Legato's head. What's the reasoning? What's the rationalization behind all of it??? Like, don't get me wrong, I love me some fucked up loyalty but I also love thinking about what they're thinking and what makes it all come together.

But I suppose the most important part is that, even at the very end of his life, Legato considered their meeting the true beginning of his life, and he can die satisfied with living it fully.

[brutermonger]

I wonder if we will see these bebes next season? I want to see them Thrive and bring about unspeakable atrocities upon humanity(affectionate). 😌 💖

[lady-thistle]

A thought

Thinking about how Vash is the more physically human, but more emotionally plant, and that knives is more emotionally human, but physically plant. It is almost like the plants were experimenting with how human to make the independent plants to have them not get killed.

I don't know if this makes sense, but I have been thinking about this since seeing someone mentioning this on Twitter.

[mega-ringsandthings-world]

OOOh, Vash knows the ion cannon was used on SEEDS ships for blasting space debris out of the way of the ships, so it can be assumed at some point Rem called bby Vash and Knives up to the bridge of ship 5 while she was on nav duty to let them watch her blast the shit out of an encroaching meteor. 

[rainbow-pop-arts]

Trigun MB Thoughts Part 5

Now we’re finally on the extras! This part have a bunch of mangakas but I only mentioned the ones who worked on mangas I know and might be familiar to you guys.

Thoughts on Trigun Badlands Rumble Cheerleaders under the cut!

Mangaka: Hiromi Arakawa

Manga: Fullmetal Alchemist

(I don’t read or watch the anime but I’ve seen fanarts of Edward together with Vash. That makes sense, cuz he wears a red coat, have blonde hair and have a prosthetic arm like Vash! Heck, he even has a brother too.)

Mangaka: Masakazu Ishiguro

Manga: Heavenly Delusion

Mangaka: Kumiko Saiki

Manga: Kageki Shoujo!!

(My friend said this is like Blue Period (Tsubasa Yamaguchi) but instead of art it’s acting. I know there’s an anime of it and I know that episode 3 is gut-punching messed up)

Mangaka: Boichi

Manga: Dr. Stone

Mangaka: Nobuhiro Watsuki

Manga: Rurouni Kenshin 

(Wait, didn’t this author got arrested? (o_O))

Final thoughts: Sorry that I didn’t show all of the mangakas, most of them worked on manga I’m not familiar with and others worked on anime and games. There should be more stuff in Trigun Badlands Rumble Cheerleaders, but they haven’t been translated yet and there are other mangakas that are currently missing. So when they come out I’ll post a part 6. 

Anyways, thank you so much for the translated scans of Trigun: Multiple Bullets, @trigun-manga-overhaul!

[shantalangel]

I have long wondered if Legato is human, and why he slightly does not fit into the universe logically (in terms of strength, superior to Plants). Analyzed manga again, and here are some interesting things I found:

Legato can use his power only if he has a device with wires, which later looks like this pretentious skull, but before that… he had the same device in slavery! The translation in that chapter is incorrect in some versions, so it's hard to figure it out, but the small bracelet with a metal box on his arm is not for to prevent him from escape (as I initially thought, something like explosive collars from films).

Legato says how he used it on the inhabitants of the fortress where he was kept. In the next scene, his slave owner, before “punishing” Legato, removes the device - that is, he is well aware of what it is and what it can (and is not afraid that he will be killed with this device at another time, which is strange). As Nai's slaughter begins, Legato can be seen rushing and grabbing the device. Why give a slave such a powerful thing? The only answer that seemed logical to me was that they were going to resell Legato to someone else and arrange a “small” sabotage there according to the principle of the Trojan horse. Would hardly occur to anyone that a pretty teenager is dangerous, and the device itself cannot do anything, therefore it is impossible to found out what is it. I still don’t understand how it works, because the device itself is not an implant - in the version from slavery it was simply worn on the arm.

Shortly before Vash is taken prisoner for six months, Nai attempts to merge with him like with sisters, at which point Legato, who was far enough away, has a panicked expression on his face, and while Wolfwood and Elendira do not understand why, rushes there to stop Nai saying "I felt the level of his power. If you try to do that, you will die (from energy overload, because Vash is so much stronger than Nai that it surprised even Conrad)." It's easy to see from the manga that humans don't feel Plants' angel weapons in any way, otherwise all those tragedies due to the power of the twins would have been easily avoided. Wolfwood and Hornfrick literally stood next to transformed and littered by debris Vash, and did not feel anything.

The most curious thing is that Nai himself was not at all embarrassed by the statement described above, just like the manifestation of strength on the first day of his meeting with Legato, which occurred because, judging by Nai’s words, Legato controlled him at that moment and either forced him to attack the place of his imprisonment, or from all inhabitants to leave only him alive; not exactly clear from the context (and, however, raises several questions: Why didn’t Legato kill everyone himself? How did he connected Nai if the device had already been removed?). In itself, the fact of the possibility of this is very curious in the story, where we are convinced that humans have absolutely nothing to oppose Nai - if we consider Legato a human. But it's not only that.

Firstly, since when did Nai learn to sense human's abilities?

Secondly, how could he even feel it, if it was solely the merit of a device or some kind of cybernetic modification like a microchip?

Thirdly, I will never believe that if Nai had stumbled upon someone who is stronger than him among many completely helpless humans, he would not have been, to put it mildly, very surprised.

Fourthly, the ability of an ordinary person to become stronger than a creature with the characteristics of Plants (which will need a separate post to list) due to just some kind of modification, is something, to put it mildly, absolutely fantastic in sense "impossible".

Fifthly, if such technology against Independents from the time before the Great Fall was still preserved, why was it in a single copy which turned out to be in the hands of some pervert slave owner who apparently decided to do something evil to someone? And Luida's team didn't new anything like that; seriously? And, finally, how did Legato, sitting in a cage, understand that Nai was somewhere nearby, if he did not fall into his field of vision?

An interesting picture is already emerging, don't you think?

Even against the backdrop of all the strange mutants and cyborgs, including very infernal creatures without a normal human face, with sharp needle-like fangs and tusks, like Gray 9 Lives, Legato's minion golem and another minor character from later volumes, Legato stands out with his abilities. In principle, mutants on Gunsmoke are clearly a common occurrence - they do not surprise or frighten anyone, even when they are multi-meter guys with piano-sized fists. But among them there is no one even with approximately similar abilities. If this is a random mutation, why does only one person on the entire planet have it? Also I doubt that at least one of all these cyborgs would have survived the connection to their brain and body of hundreds more people. Not to mention controlling an extraterrestrial organism for half a year. No wonder then, that Legato eats so much and in this way; he must be on a terrible number of drugs in order not to die after such overloads. I'm actually surprised he lived that long. The scene with food, by the way, comes just after the hellish-gore scene with the massacre of law enforcement officers.

This system with wires of connection is very similar to the artificial analogue of Plants' merging, which also has a leading individual, merging other creatures around itself into a single organism with a common system of internal processes and organs. The only difference that Plants also merge their psyche. In general, to have some kind of device or ability to interrupt the signals of someone else's brain with your own in order to prevent it from accessing the body of the brain owner, is already a very impressive scientific development on a planet whose inhabitants always moan about how they have no technology and they are in one step away from the apocalypse. :) Though I have a big question why this ability does not work without a device.

When Legato meets Vash for the first time, they communicate mentally and neither of them surprised. This I don't know how to explain. Apparently, telepathy itself, without controlling bodies, also exists then?

Of course, Legato is not the most creepy mutant of all that is found on Gunsmoke, but he has an eerily impressive completely inhuman tongue and, in one color illustration, long black claws; and the rest of the time they are not shown, which means that they also grow at will.

Also just a note: Vash has black "flesh" of angelic form in the new anime, which uses manga as main canon.

That Legato had transplanted Vash's hand - that is, the very fact that Plant cells can grow together with humans and transfer the abilities of alien superbeings to them, - was canon even in the old anime. Just like we now have a hybrid Elendira, who is part human, but at the same time materializes nails from the matter of her body, and she may have had Tessla's eye transplanted.

[sparklespeckles]

Mhm mhm, spending a weekend thinking about new ocs and suddenly being assaulted with

Vash likes to give riddles to Meryl and Wolfwood on the road to distract them and wolfwood hates it but is entralled anyway and is constantly arguing with Meryl over the riddle answers and they both go to Roberto for help but he's like "lol no get fucked" because he knows the answers. Roberto actually suggests riddles to Vash so that he can pass them on to WW and Meryl but in a way that he doesnt have to actively participate in the game.

[fruitsoxs]

do you ever just think about hands?

like i bet wolfwood's hands are big and super calloused. I kind of feel like he hates his own hands too. would say stuff like "these are the hands of a killer"

and meryl's hands are probably so small and soft. like the perfect hands to hold? they're probably cold all the time so you HAVE to keep them warm for her i don't make the rules

and knives hands are the perfect piano hands. big hands, long fingers, with musicians callouses. They're probably very neat and clean all the time. they're probably also cold - like icy cold.

idk i'm just thinking