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[hexagonification]

In which I ramble on and on about stardates

Mainly because I've been wanting to make original posts for a while now (On that note, starting now I'll be tagging my original posts as #hexagonification, since Tumblr doesn't have a filter for that like Pillowfort does) and partially because I was inspired by elephant-in-the-pride-parade's recent stardate posts.

I wonder if I'll lose followers for doing this….

For starters, I won't be addressing the arbitrary and non-sequential stardates seen in DIS (prior to season 3), SNW, and Short Treks set in the same era (2256 to 2259-ish, presumably eventually up to 2266). I'm of the opinion that they're deliberately arbitrary as a little continuity nod of sorts to TOS, which had many episodes produced and aired in different orders. Look at the list on Memory Alpha and compare episode numbers, production numbers, and original airdates (you can ignore the remaster dates--they went in whatever order they wanted with those). It's all over the place.

Additionally, this site handily has a bunch of stardate converters, including everything I discuss below (except for reference stardates, but you can figure those out pretty easily). I definitely recommend keeping it handy as you read.

Andrew Main Pros:

System includes TOS and TNG-style dates

Very thorough and thoughtfully put together

While a bit cumbersome, the issue system does add past/future-proofing. A stardate for right now in 2023 wouldn't read as a huge negative number like it would in other systems.

Cons:

The issue system (i.e. TOS: "Charlie X" takes place on [19] 1533.6, TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint" is [21] 41153.7, and so on. The issue number is bracketed. In short, 19 is the TOS era and 21 is TNG) is a bit cumbersome and doesn't exist in canon

Last updated in February 1997, before DS9 or Voyager finished airing. To that end, the system doesn't take into consideration that VOY: "Homestead" explicitly takes place on the 315th anniversary of First Contact, April 5 2378. The stardate listed in the episode instead translates to November 13 2377 instead.

This system puts TMP in 2271, while startrek.com said in 2019 that it's in 2273 instead. Memory Alpha recognizes the ambiguity and just leaves it at 2270s, while Memory Beta goes with 2273.

Season 3 of Discovery established that stardates will eventually reach 6 digits (ostensibly in 2423), whereas TNG-era stardates here are distinctly capped at 5 digits.

Richie Kennedy Pros:

System includes TOS and TNG-style dates

No issues and no resetting. Stardates begin at 0 and increase continuously, albeit at different rates as the eras go by. When SD 9999.9 arrives, it just ticks over to 10000.0 and continues on its merry way into the TNG era.

Cons:

SD 0 being January 6 2266 (happy -243rd anniversary) makes it seem like stardates weren't invented until Kirk's five-year mission had already begun in 2265 (the stardate given in TOS: "Where No Man Has Gone Before" would be in October 2266 in this system). But DIS and SNW have established that they've been in use at least as far back as 2256, or possibly even 2155. (First Contact in the mirror universe is cited as being on SD 0141.7, but that may be a Terran Empire stardate independent of prime Federation/Starfleet)

As a result of the accommodations made to make Homestead's stardate work, dates in later shows/years don't always match up with the year they're supposed to take place in. More on that below.

TrekGuide (specifically their TNG system; the TOS one isn't very useful outside of a few years and the contemporary one kinda does its own thing)

Pros:

On-screen evidence is taken into consideration to figure out how the system works.

Cons:

Only covers the TNG era--dates from before 2323 read as negative stardates

Andreas Schmidt Pros:

Elegantly consistent. The first two digits indicate a year (41… = 2364), while the rest indicates progress into the year, with the decimal adding additional precision down to the second (…153.7 = February 26, 6:06:02). Changing the 41 to 42, 43, 44, etc results in a mostly identical date. (Except for the year, obviously. The exact time can vary too, presumably due to leap years)

Seemingly the system used on Memory Alpha, at least as far as extrapolating years from stardates goes. It's also worth noting that the TNG portion of Main's system is consistently very close to the Schmidt system (within issue 21, anyway).

Cons:

Only covers the TNG era--dates from before 2323 read as negative stardates

This system would suggest the events of TNG: "Family" take place on January 5, 2367. Nothing in the episode indicates it's cold out (the final draft was made in August and the episode aired in October, so filming had to be between those months), so this system's consistency doesn't reflect how actual stardates work. I don't doubt there are other such discrepancies found when comparing the apparent time of year in a stardate and the apparent weather on Earth in a given episode.

FASA's reference stardates Pros:

A reference stardate can be easily translated into a contemporary date and time (officially they only record down to the hour, but nothing is stopping someone from adding extra digits and going down to the second). It's basically Franz Joseph's YYMM.DD-style stardate with extra steps. You could even say the Kelvin timeline's YYYY.DD-style evolved from either or both of them.

Cons:

Very old system invented in 1979

Reference stardates are used basically exclusively in the Spaceflight Chronology book, which was considered canon at the time but is now almost entirely ignored. Notably, the years in which things take place are almost never in line with modern canon--though the offset is occasionally pretty consistent. In particular, the TNG era years are either 61 or 62 years earlier than they should be. While a reference stardate can be converted into a contemporary date, it will almost certainly not match up with modern canon. Attempting to set up offsets for each century can occasionally get within a few years of the correct date, but it's honestly a fool's errand.

By the time TNG was picking up steam in 1989, Paramount took the Star Trek license from FASA, since they wanted more control and consistency over the lore.

Like with the Kelvin stardates, they're very Earth-centric, taking Gregorian calendar dates and rewriting them to look sci-fi-y. Something something "homo sapiens-only club", anyone?

There has been talk on Twitter among people involved with the current era of Trek about a "unified stardate formula" (This Reddit post has links aplenty). In summary, Erin Macdonald (current science advisor for Star Trek) painstakingly did a bunch of math, put together timelines and charts, and cried more than once along the way to put together a new stardate formula unlike any of the online converters out there. And as a result, the years and stardates for Lower Decks (and possibly other shows in the TNG era) don't quite match up like they would in the Schmidt system. Brad Winters has said Lower Decks is still "firmly in 2380" (as of November 2021, or between seasons 2 and 3), despite the stardates ticking over from 57- to 58- apparently between seasons 1 and 2.

Someone has speculated the new …000 point is instead Federation Day (which doesn't have a concretely canonical day, but the closest date to canon would be October 11, appearing in a prop made for Generations but not actually appearing on screen.) David Mack has also said there's no reason a season finale should coincide with New Year's Eve, which makes sense. TrekGuide's system came to the conclusion of 918.23186 stardates per year, and the TNG portion of Kennedy averages between 955 and 958 stardates per year, depending on the year (not immediately sure what the correlation is there--it's not leap years. The TOS and movies portions have different intervals, but they have an arbitrary but noticeable shift like that too).

In my opinion, the ideal system would be one that blends the seamlessness of Kennedy with the starting point of Main ([0] 0000.0 is January 4 2162; Memory Beta says stardates began being used in 2175 or 2176), while ensuring stardates in the ballpark of 7410 to 7414 are in the year 2273 (ideally August, since Memory Beta says the events of that movie take place then), with maybe some adjustments from TrekGuide for good measure. I suppose it's possible Erin Macdonald's system does just that, but it's equally possible hers takes another approach.

In conclusion, Erin Macdonald has said that a converter using her formula "will be out for everyone hopefully soon…" on November 12 2021. So far, I don't think anyone has said anything else about it, but I'm definitely looking forward to whenever it comes.

[elephant-in-the-pride-parade]

It took a whole season before one of the non-timey-whimey Prodigy episode logs wound up with a little stardate error.

I used Trekguide and Hillschmidt.de's calculators for this because I know some folks like both. (Trekguide bases its calculations off of a long list of canon calendar-to-stardate calculations. Hillschmidt just assumes that xx000=Jan 1 and xx999 = Dec 31, which I prefer because it makes star dates more predictable.)

Back to the point. Up until the final one, there really hasn't been anything off in the Admirals logs, which are my main source of how much time is passing in Prodigy. Dal only bothers to give a captains log with a star date in a handful of episodes and the one time HJ gives one that I recall is during the temporal nonsense in Time Amok, where we can assume the computer is a bit confused.

By both calculators: We can assume about a month passes between the kids escape into the Neutral Zone, ship repairs, and KJ's Mindwalk/Supernova part 1 log.

Things get fuzzy after that. Supernova part 2 says that there is 1 month between the battle and the kids arrival on Earth, which should mean that the post-Supernova part 2 log, 1 week after their arrival needs to be 5 weeks after the battle...

By both calculators... the time between the admirals logs it's barely 2 days. 😂

I computed some more accurate dates for the kids arrival and the admirals log. You can pop them into your preferred calculator to determine the correct stardates.

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Calendar Project Draft (2371, Star Trek Voyager)

A while back I asked folks what their favorite stardate calculators were bc #1, I wanted to see how different they were from each other, and #2 - I wanted to create calendars for each of events in the Voyager series (mostly for me so I can keep track for my fics, but posting in case other people like this too.)

For the first draft, I’ve made a calendar for events in 2371, based on my preferred stardate converter site (which makes the assumption that each SD xx000 = a January 1 and each xx999 = a December 31). Use this converter if: 1, you prefer the assumption that an earth-based organization would use an earth-centric date system, 2. You like the idea that Cmdr. Chakotay is a Leo or 3. You enjoy headcanoning that Endgame happens right before Christmas. Don’t use this converter if you care about a fixed annual Earth date for First Contact Day.

I’m going to make one of these for each year in the series using the hillschmidt SD converter, but I’ve got the dates for and would make calendars for the other 2 converters I looked at (R56 and TrekGuide) if there’s interest. Just let me know.

Click below the cut for 2371 calendar, legend, and episode dates.

How to Read.

Pink Borders - Birthdays

Green Days - Definite days that episode takes place (based on logs and definitive context clues such as whether we see multiple alpha shifts or post-shift / nighttime scenes).

Yellow Days - Potential days within episode timeframe (based on vaguer context clues such as "significant detours", estimated warp travel times, and whether it feels like the amount of stuff happening in the episode should take a while.) Gray Days - Alternate Timelines where we have no firm stardate Brown Days - Canon Dates but it's dubious.

What Happens in 2371

April:

The Maquis ship Val Jean is potentially lost in the Delta Quadrant as early as April 9th, accounting for how much time Capt. Janeway would need to collect Tom Paris from New Zealand and embark from DS9. Voyager gets pulled into the Delta Quadrant on April 24th and destroys the array on April 25th.

May:

Kathryn Janeway's 36th Birthday (cuz I had her birth year in 2335 and then the bloomington statue fucked it up... so fuck you statue, I like my 2335 date XD) - May 20th, approaching the first month anniversary being stranded.

June:

Parallax - June 9th-11th

Time and Again - Alternate timeline with no definitive stardate associations. If we accept that episode order determines placement, this could take place anywhere from June 12th to July 13th. For the purposes of this calendar I've assigned the alternate timeline to June 23rd-26th

July & August:

Phage - July 14th-15th

The Cloud July 19th-20th

Eye of the Needle - July 31st to potentially August 4th depending on how long we think it was before they realized the wormhole would take 3 days to degrade.

Chakotay's Birthday - This is estimated based on context clues given in Bliss and will vary depending on your SD calculator of preference. He's probably turning 41 or 42 in 2371.

Ex Post Facto - No definitive dates, but needs to happen between Aug. 5th and Aug. 15th. Lasts at least a few days. I've assigned it Aug. 10th to Aug. 13th

Emanations - Aug 16th-17th

Prime Factors - Aug. 21-25th (depends how long you think they took to travel to and then how long they enjoy Sikaris)

State of Flux - Aug. 29th

September:

Heros and Demons - Sep. 9th-11th

Cathexis - Sep. 25th-26th

October & November:

Faces & Tuvok's ~107th Birthday: Yup, Tuvok’s big day in 2371 overlaps with the first day of Faces based on this SD conversion... so we can assume he definitely delayed any celebrations that year. Faces lasts from Oct 14th- abt. Oct. 16th

Jetrel - The trip to Talaxia is deemed a "sigificant" detour so I've clocked this one in at roughly a week from picking up Jetrel to the end of the episode. Oct. 28th - Nov. 3rd.

Learning Curve - Nov. 5th-10th

Projections - Doc's holodeck log puts this on Nov. 22nd however there's some reason to doubt this - in addition to the log being recorded entirely on a malfunctioning holodeck, Doc. claims to have memories of "the last six months" but by the time of that stardate (on this calculator), he's been activated for nearly 7.

December:

Elogium - Dec. 3rd-4th

The 37s - abt Dec. 20th to 23rd depending on how long you think they toured the 37s’ cities and presuming they did not stay planet side for Christmas

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