#trauma circle. trauma conga line circle.
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NO BUT WHEN ITS LIKE Derek screaming at Scott about Allison Argent: “You’re not in love, you’re sixteen, a child” and we learn that Kate Argent seduced (read raped) Derek when he was fifteen, and he most likely blamed himself for his entire life turning and then stating “you’re a child” to Scott, when sixteen year old Jackson’s body rejects the bite and Jackson asks “What does it mean?” And Derek just backs away slowly, thinking of the first person this happened to, Paige, also rejecting the bite, dying in his arms, GOD this man is living out his traumas again and again
#this man is the living personification of ‘I am every age I have ever been’#derek’s family burning and Derek dying by fire in front of his son#trauma circle. trauma conga line circle.#and he’s so angry at Scott for dating an argent. was it because he was scared the secret would be out?#or was he terrified that scott was being used like he was?#when Derek said that Jackson didn’t have a heart. did he look at Jackson and see himself (rich boy arrogant prep jock) did he see Paige?#Derek hale#jackson whittemore#scott mccall#allison argent#Kate argent#anti Kate argent#fuck Kate argent#jackson whittmore is a hale#the last one isn’t relevant but whatever#teen wolf#I could write essays about the projection Derek does on Scott and Jackson
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Does anyone know how Wolfwood's backstory (killing his abusive dad and then presumably getting adopted by Chapel right after) from the 98 anime came about? It's not in the manga, but I was wondering if Nightow had any input, if it was an old idea of his that got dropped, if it was completely made up by the 98 writers, etc.
#trigun#trigun 98#i assume this was an anime only decision but the episode is so formative of how many see wolfwood and how his character came full circle#and the fact that chapel WAS his legal(?) adoptive father that was inarguably abusive#and that wolfwood started in life with an abusive parent#(no ms melanie/no orphanage/no childhood innocence)#so 98 wolfwood feels familiar but very different from trimax ww/tristamp ww#like being shown the world is terrible RIGHT FROM THE START and not getting any better... that's very formative#98 ww is arguably more open about how he came into this line of thinking and expressed it versus (i think) his other iterations who#frequently suffer crises of faith or simply stomp on their emotions until they're beaten down#putting on a goofy persona as vash does#i know i know “but wolfwood is an orphan” yes but he HAD a semblance of a happy childhood! he knew he was loved and others were capable#of loving him!!#98 ww just had a conga line of trauma with no one really “good” to look to for guidance/proof until... maybe milly/vash#kids as a whole do not count in this instance. like an actual person to show him that the world can be good.
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IF YOU LIKE THIS ASOIAF CHARACTER, I THINK YOU’LL LIKE THIS FARSCAPE CHARACTER
i did a “all gays” thing for my birthday last year but i was too lazy this year. instead here is my opinion of farscape & asoiaf characters, comparing characters i think are similar.
if you like theon greyjoy…i think you’ll like john crichton (he’s the main character).
Conga Line Of Trauma
Very loose grip on reality
Struggles with choosing between the family he’s been kidnapped into and the family he was born into
Top Two best story arcs about male victims of sexual trauma imo
Copes by imagining himself as a character in a story rather than face his reality
Pathetic wet cat of a man
if you like jaime lannister…i think you’ll like aeryn sun
theyre hot shit and everyone knows it even though they hate it - the ☀️ radiant aeryn sun☀️ and “was there ever a man as beautiful and terrible”
Well known for being good at their job (which is killing people)
Idealist that got that idealism beaten out of them
constantly repressing emotions
an arc that is very romance centered but atypical as a traditional romance
if you like brienne and/or sandor…i think you’ll like ka d’argo.
Young, experienced but not too experienced military type
Struggles with idealism and what being a soldier/knight should mean
Not forthcoming about backstory
Struggles with temper
Cool And Important Weapon And Mount
Considered mindlessly violent by many
Very weird about romance and sex
if you like catelyn stark…i think you’ll like pa’u zotah zhaan
religious and maternal
pacifist tendencies but also will cut a bitch if pressed
Infamous for being unpleasant
Traumatic death scenes
Questionable relationship with the concept of dying and staying dead
MILFs
if you like sansa and arya stark…i think you’ll like chiana
Their Series’ Hottest It Girls
Idolizes rebellion leading older brother (who ultimately abandons her in favor of his rebellion)
Desperate for family
Holds emotions close, but highly emotional
Taste for finer things in life
Baby of the group
Struggles with grief and anger
Spunky go getter
Questionable taste in romantic relationships
if you like tyrion lannister….i think you’ll like scorpius
mother died birthing him and he struggles with this immensely
tormented by a crazy ruthless woman in power
feels betrayed by a lover of a lower social status just trying to get by and gets real violent over it
The Anti Villain - has very good reasons to be insane but holy shit is he insane
Always survives despite all odds against him
If you like Joffrey Baratheon…I think you’ll like Dominar Rygel XVI (hear me out!)
Absolute ruler who faces civil war
Wildly misogynistic weirdo
Weak grasp on morality
Turned into a violent, selfish asshole as a trauma response
Hates women yet his deepest, most profound and intimate relationships are with a woman he’s not even fucking
Remains selfish and violent throughout the story but also, if you talk shit about him i will throw hands
if you like samwell tarly…i think you’ll like Pilot.
Couple of sweet fools
Underrated for being a bad ass
Intimate relationship with a Very Cool Lady From A Bad Situation (gilly/moya. moya is a living ship btw).
Just wants to be a nerd and hang with his gf (again, gilly and moya)
Doesn’t believe in himself the way he should
if you like stannis baratheon…i think you’ll like bailar crais.
Is he a hero? is he a villain? is he an anti villain? is he an anti hero? you decide!
loses his everloving mind after his brother dies
sad traumatic childhood backstory
an arc focused on what service and leadership means
[SPOILER REDACTED]
HE thinks he’s the straight man in a circle of freaks and he thinks this while being objectively the biggest freak there
and last but not least let’s go to my babies!!!!
if you like bran stark…i think you’ll like stark.
Overwhelming magical abilities
Connects magically in intimate, voyeuristic ways
Potentially unkillable
Considered a sweetie by Local MILF (his mom/zhaan)
Struggles processing a personal loss
A narrative focus on the importance of bodily autonomy
Doesn’t have as much screentime/page time as he deserves
#anyways happy birthday to me#valyrianscrolls#farscape#getting on my soap box#obviously there’s several big characters missing from both sides but i didn’t want to force any comparisons#farscape is also a lot funnier but when it’s serious it’s SERIOUS and arguably george is underrated for being p funny#also if u think i make everyone gay and trans in asoiaf farscape was my gateway drug#best example of this is the first time john & aeryn have sex. and it’s john in his feelings & scared & wants comfort.#we don’t see them fuck you just see him sit next to her and very sadly kiss her shoulder and up her neck & aeryn returns the kiss.#way sexier than actually seeing it tbh. then three seasons later there’s a mirror of this. aeryn is drinking & upset & wants comfort.#and kisses john’s shoulder and up his neck and remembers the first time. i was like eight when i watched this it blew my mind akskdk#long post for ts
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angst: 🤔 😶
The Angst Meme
🤔: Any angst tropes you’re not really fond of?
//I've answered this one before here, so this is a different answer.
I am not a fan of angst that has no impact on the character or story. I'm not saying that we are not allowed to have a character that overcame angst and healed from it by the time we meet them (in fact, I find those fascinating!), what I am saying is that the angst seemed to have been tacked onto a character for the sake of…. well, angst. And then nothing being done with it beyond just angst. I mostly see this in fanfiction circles where fanfic writers tack on a tragic backstory to a character that canonically does not display a behavior indicative of that past. Now I am not AGAINST giving tragic backstories to canon characters at all (I'm guilty of it myself). It's when they transfer this habit to their ORIGINAL CHARACTERS--muses the writers have 100% full control of writing--that drives me up the wall. And this is a habit I am seeing even today.
On a related tangent, I am not fond of "conga line" trauma in angst stories. Even with the Seven I try to mellow out the number of tragedies they encounter; though then again, I have the excuse that they are centuries old (so it is possible to have enough tragedy to last several generations and lifetimes). The closest I got possibly to this is how Josep had some tragic event every summer for several years straight, but even then this DOES have a narrative purpose: it forms how he becomes the Sin of Wrath. Otherwise, I abide by a rule when I write angst for my characters regardless of story: If my character can't heal or overcome this, then I am not writing it. This rule is also how I draw the line when interacting with other muses in the amount of angst I am willing to tolerate. But I cannot tell you often this line is crossed anyway.
😶: Got any future thread angst hidden up your sleeve?
You think Guy's misery is going to end after Sinfully Valentining 2?
I kid no I'm not maybe. But besides Guy, my brain lately has been focused on the other members of the Crew. At last, we are getting stories for the Razing of Guangzhou (Canton), the biggest tragic event not only to affect the Seven, but all of Devil's Eye. For this blog alone there is angst in Josep and Abena losing Arcelia, Rashid losing a chance at another happy life of settling with friends and family, Phoebus failing people once again as a healer, Ruixiong losing his first real connections with China in a century, and Giovanni dealing with the guilt of being the reason the Razing happened at all. Guy losing his love in San-Gwong is only one out of seven major angst plotlines when it came to Guangzhou. And that's just this blog.
As far as threads go with other RPers, well, interacting with the Seven will always be inherently angsty. The Master makes sure his thralls are miserable, and he reminds them of their misery deliberately as to make sure they also remember why they came to him to begin with. Moments of happiness distract the Seven, so he will yank their chains to bring them back to reality. And of course, the Master wants to 'break' his thralls like one would 'break' a horse. The more unquestionably compliant, the better.
Some examples, for fun:
Annalise ( @dragonskxn ) finding out Giovanni is the reason behind the Razing of Guangzhou
Sacara ( @thelittlestdemon ) or Taryn ( @rxdhairxdsirxns ) finding out that Phoebus ran out on his bride Deborah Conrad at the altar in 1721.
Cayla/Orquidia ( @orphanedwolfandfriends ) finding out about Arcelia and she is almost being unwittingly treated like a "replacement goldfish" for Josep and Abena
Marshmallow ( @rosegoldkingdom ) being the object of Guy's affections, except Guy is scared he'll hurt him or lose him like he lost San-Gwong.
Rashid and Ruixiong don't have future angsty thread ideas, as Rashid already went through a truckload and I'm honestly really really really really REALLY ready to move on by now, whereas Ruixiong has yet to have a focus relationship that isn't built on antagonism or comedy.
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Vulcan, for all his crimes, kinda squared the circle by killing Corsair. I like to think Scott is subconsciously proud and Alex is subconsciously a loser (also consciously.)
Gabriel did so much messed up shit - but, but - my god his life has been nothing but a trauma conga line. At every point the people responsible for his wellbeing made the worst choices imaginable, and I think he's right to not trust anyone. Scott tried to be supportive on Krakoa, but he still stood by when he fell into Brand's orbit and okayed Chuck trying non-consensual telepathy to 'fix' him. I'd blow up the house too tbh.
He needed so much more and never got it.
No one will ever convince me that Corsair was a good father????
I need Marvel to let Christopher Summers make one little sly comment about Scott's parenting and let Scott and Alex go off on him.
He never checked in on his children the entire time he was flying around space. Found a new wife and said "Fuck it, don't need to see if the boys I tried to save are alive."
Alex and Scott both got sucked into Sinister's games and being his little pawns because Christopher couldn't be bothered to come back to his home planet. It took him trying to rob the X-Men to come back and learn what happened to his sons.
And then Marvel just brushed it aside. And I get time-displaced Scott eating that series with his dad up, he's loving being with his dad, he doesn't feel abandoned. But adult Scott? He's got years and years of missing memories, of gaslighting, of experiments, of not being able to trust. Just because his dad didn't come back for him.
I need them to stop letting Corsair have a free ride because 'he finally came back'. His kids are grown now. They don't need him and that's when he comes back?
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Amen to the statement that there’s not enough Fratt content. And when there is it’s short, hyper sexual, and flat. May you feel inspired to write them for a very long time. It’s cool you say Matt is bipolar bc depression is such an obvious one, but if you read between the lines, he very well can have manic states. The show doesn’t portray it, but the comics def do. Anyway I love your interpretation of Fratt and that you try to give them plot. Narrative with feelings is the best!
MOAR word vomit!
Well, they’re both physical dudes who probably do enjoy sex (Comics Matt makes, uuuh, maybe somewhat impulsive sex life choices in the current run ;-) and while in the show he is never shown to have sex in the present and he never seems to actively pursue it he doesn’t seem particularly shy about it either. He does flirt like a pro though (with Vanessa! Claire! …Frank ;-), which might be a way to show on TV that Matt isn’t a prude. There was no time to delve into his love life on TV, and i’m very much okay with that; i’m not into steamy TV ;-)
So, while i guess Fratt would do the deed & enjoy it, i don’t necessarily want long descriptions of it; i’m aware of the mechanics ^_^ but i can see how it would be a way for them to (not) say things. It can be a means to show character traits, too. It’s a narrative tool, but (to me) not the motivation in itself to read or write. i need FEELS, not mechanics :DAnd while short PWPs are not my thing and i find them at best boring, a lot of people do enjoy them!
The manic bit i think can surface a little in the show: his throwing himself into a goal to the detriment of everything else (including his own well-being), his going from highs and lows moodwise… But then again he takes so many hits to the head plus his collection of trauma (trauma conga line!) it’s a wonder he 1/ still has teeth and 2/ can still function in civilian life, hold a job etc. So there can be several reasons behind his behaviour! (but maybe he believes confession, communion, and fist fights are his therapy and medication, who knows?)Though he comes by it honestly; his parents also struggle with mental health what with his mum having PPD and his dad thinking dying and leaving his son an orphan is a GOOD idea... ahem Jack i love you but you’re misguided, what you’re doing is called suicide by proxy.(Personal headcanons: Matt wears a mouthguard and discreetly spits it out before speechifying at villains, and he breathed in some magic dragon bone dust under Midland Circle that allows him to survive his insane life choices… or Danny glowy-fists him on the regular so he can still be functional ;-)
The hard bit is not to overly woobify Matty and whump him all the time (even if it’s tempting!) just so Frank can go rescue him and grump at him and burrito him in Softest Blankets etc etc etc ;-)Frankie definitely deserves some rescuing too, he’s also an idiot :DAnd they need to simply get on each other’s nerves too because it’s funny ^_~
i’ve read a few good Fratt stories, i just haven’t been reading a lot lately because time and ficcing.But i agree, there are definitely not enough Fratt stories IMO ^_^ Sometimes characterisations don’t fit my own preferences & understanding of them (we don’t all see the exact same thing when we thing about chars!), or it’s really short (i prefer longer stories, but that’s another of those ‘to each their own’ things), plus i’m not into PWPs and i don’t read WIPs… so it does limit my choice ^_^
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I really want to be done with this, since of the people who actually follow me they’re not Marvel centric and who wants to see a bunch of opinion blogs about a movie they probably haven’t even seen, but oh my gosh, I just want to talk about the scene where they try to give Tony a mini heart attack and everyone just wants to complain about petty things instead.
Lemme talk about why You Are Wrong about hating certain things in Endgame, cuz at least that’s a thing I do in Naruto and other fandoms too. Spoilers.
To be clear, I’m sad about the deaths. I’m especially broken-hearted about Steve, because it’s not possible for Falcon to replace him, so there’s no point even trying. Tony is a bummer, but he’s basically just RDJ, so we’ll still see him being Sherlock and typecast as Tony Stark like figures. All Tony Stark adaptations will be made to copy him still, he’s not really gone. Part of why Captain is gone is because Chris Evans doesn’t want to be him anymore, so that death just feels much more real. You can’t replace the quintessential boy scout from the 30s with...anyone, really.
I’m also sad about the pseudo-deaths, but. Despite that, I don’t agree with the movie complaints. Let’s get into those.
First: No, there wasn’t really any other way for Tony to end. RDJ has been done with the character since IM3, he’s been trying to write him out over and over and just can’t. “He’s retired” can’t work when they have no Tony replacement and go up against world-ending threats, and I don’t think he wants to be tied down to cameos and phone-ins. Death was the only answer for his character. As much as I hate losing Captain, that was a similar situation. Unless they replaced those actors - and that’s tough, especially in RDJ’s case - the characters needed to go with their actors, and their roles/personalities were such that anything but death wouldn’t do that.
We’ll get back to why those were the best endings they could give the characters while still being abrupt and sad, and making it feel like there was actual loss and sacrifice required, but let’s meander over to Thor briefly because his is somewhat shorter.
Buzzfeed woman: If you cannot handle TV shows that have fat characters or fat jokes, please seek counseling and get help. It sounds like you have some serious issues with your self image and self confidence, and frankly it’s just not a good thing if your entire day is ruined and you’re dropped into a depression because you hear someone make a joke that’s not even about you. Don’t blame other people and expect them to change for you, because they won’t. Seek to be more secure in yourself.
Everyone else: The reason why Thor seems ‘diminished’ all movie is the same reason why Captain Marvel isn’t there 90% of the movie - no, no, not because they just shoved him into the plot at the last minute to promote his movie, the other reason - he’s just too strong. This is a recurring issue for him in Avengers movies, and they may try to just de-Avenger him going forward to avoid this in the future. Avengers movies are ensembles, everyone is supposed to be necessary, but to set the enemies to a level where people like Black Widow are useful means that Thor could shrug and wipe out most of them except for the boss. And sometimes even the big bad isn’t that scary - CM and Thor could both take down Thanos without infinity stones just too easily, and the plot needed to believably take the heroes from ‘completed gauntlet’ to ‘Thanos has the gauntlet’, which is a lot harder than IW where he was always 2-3 steps and stones ahead.
Fat Thor worked double-purpose to explore the crushing guilt and issues with Thor - he was barely hanging by a thread in IW, losing at the end of it and then having it confirmed at the start of Endgame that there was no hope was too much - and sidelining him most of the movie. It weakened him because he no longer had the focus to just lightning blast Thanos’ army into dust and he was physically out of shape and so not as strong as he was before, making Thanos an equal enemy to him again. Because he was physically unimposing, the Avengers didn’t lean on him and expect him to do everything, which allowed him to go and face his mother again, which allowed him to get the hammer and dual-wield, confirm he was still worthy, and give Steve that moment everyone had so badly wanted to see for years (as Steve’s swan song). The story was never about how Thor was still just as strong even out of shape, because the point is that his own self-loathing and inability cope was destroying him and he needed to heal from that before he could even begin to recover. GotG3 or T4 will be about Thor regaining all that. Endgame was about Thor finally coming to grips with the overwhelming weight of guilt that had been ruining and driving him for several movies now.
And in the end, even once he was able to snap out of his funk and start recovering, he didn’t magically shed all that weight and get back into fighting fit. (That, too, is something for GotG3 and/or T4) Because recovery is still a process that takes time. In my opinion, the way they have Thor deal with his trauma and guilt is as realistic as they had Tony deal with it.
As for the ‘fat jokes’, that’s just taking things out of context. It ignores all the other serious things that Avengers makes jokes about. They always inject levity into things and seek comedy where they can, because the plots are usually so heavy that if they don’t, the movie becomes depressing and draining. In IW/Endgame this is especially so, because so many people die and so much is lost. Fat!Thor and the Fortnite game moments are some of the only opportunities they have to put some humor in. And the Avengers use insulting humor toward each other quite often. War Machine calls Peter - who was at that time dead and had serious issues he was grappling with himself - an idiot because he’s dancing along on a planet to music on headphones. Bucky calls Steve stupid knowing this would be the last time he saw him (at least at that age). Basically, the jokes were necessary to keep the movie from choking on its own darkness and they were in-character (plus, indicators of the fact that they didn’t trust Thor to be the responsible party, forcing other characters to have a role instead, and keeping Thor from any responsibility later for “why didn’t he use the stones to--”)
So. Yes, it’s disappointing that Thor didn’t really get to flex, but at least he was present, and it’s allowed him to begin to heal from the trauma conga line he’s been on ever since Thor 1. It’s really not an issue that people make it out to be, and it seems like people are just being overly specific in their sensibilities. Make fun of Thor’s long hair, his missing eye, his cluelessness about the modern world? That’s fine. Make fun of Rocket when he’s the product of horrific experiments? That’s fine. Make fun of any number of serious issues, or just insult their friends in some humorous way? All okay. Make fat jokes? SUDDENLY it’s just not okay and super mean!
Don’t read too much into things like that. Like the buzzfeed woman claiming his mother ‘nastily’ told him to eat a salad. She was just being a mother, looking at a son who five minutes ago seemed to be in his prime and now had completely collapsed and was desperately looking for direction from her. She must have gathered that at least from his perspective he’d never get to see her again, so it was effectively the last advice she’d give him. “Eat a salad!” is just “Take care of yourself, eat well, please!” in the gentlest, shortest way possible. Don’t be like that woman. Don’t read malice where it isn’t.
MOVING ON.
Tony and Steve.
I know, it’s sad. But these were the most logical conclusions to their stories, both from their own perspective and when you consider how their characters were juxtaposed off of each other. Ignoring for a moment the actor situation, the characters needed to die because if they didn’t we’d just end up with a Battle of Winterfell situation where everything was set up to look hopeless but then things worked out so no one important died. (except Heimdall. Poor Heimdall, he didn’t get snapped or brought back via time shenanigans. I’m guessing he got the fatal Actor’d, since Idris didn’t like being him)
So, knowing that they had to kill one, and therefore because of their connection in the movies it had to be both, let’s look at why they were the most reasonable and perfect deaths to give them under the circumstances while still remaining sad. “And then they lived to death” is hard to do if it’s not Doctor Who, so it’s not really an easy ending to write for a character you need to immediately exit the franchise.
Tony.
Finally we resolve the plot with Pepper. They get married, they have a child, they have five years living together married- this is on top of the eleven years they’ve been in a relationship since Iron Man, and the years before that of flirtatious tension and a relationship that’s non-romantic. Five years was just the time they had living a domestic and quiet life, raising their child, not the complete length of their life. Tony got to live with the love of his life and finally do something right, and in the end Pepper gave him the go-ahead to risk not only himself but their whole family to protect the rest of the universe.
In the end, he ‘fixed’ his failure from IW, defeating Thanos personally. He was the one responsible for the timeline being ‘the one’ where they succeed. He finally found some peace with his father and history, he created something beautiful - for once, he left a legacy that wasn’t death and destruction or weapons, but a sweet little girl who will make the world a better and brighter place.
And Tony made that full circle from the first story, affirming that it was never the suit, but Tony Stark, who made Iron Man. He is Iron Man. Those are his last words, and part of the gruesome death was there to ensure they were. Though there’s also something powerful about him saying nothing and snapping his fingers instead like they’d originally written it to be. But, look. Tony Stark was a man who sent weapons all over the world, caused thousands, if not millions to die because of those weapons and then changed due to the guilt of realizing what he’d done. His character has basically been caught in a loop ever since of trying to fix things by creating more weapons to protect people instead and just causing more death and more harm in the process.
Finally, though, with a snap of his fingers and the cost of his own life...he made an army disappear. He saved not just half the universe this time, but literally all of it, every single being alive can thank Tony for it (ignoring the celestial beings who would have stopped Thanos but shh, MCU hasn’t introduced those). Look at the symbolic nature of Tony Stark being the one to turn an army - and all of their weapons - into dust in a moment. He saved everyone, and he finally erased the ugly stain of his weapons from the world in one fell swoop. Symbolically, this is the most perfect way to end his character, and something the comics will never be able to give Tony.
In a more practical sense, it was also necessary. He’d never be able to truly step away from being an Avenger. His own paranoia and sense of guilt means that no matter how much he’d want to live his own life, he’d always be dragged into things, risk his life again, and Pepper + Morgan would constantly have to worry about whether he’d come back or not. And he’d mess up again. He’s too afraid of the future, needed too much to control things. Ultron would happen again. The Superhero Registration would happen again. Especially when/if Steve would die, there’s no one holding him back anymore. Narratively, his story needed to be finished, especially if he was going to be the one to snap anyway. So yes. Death was the necessary price. And it did need to be that harsh, gruesome thing. Not just because we see over and over how painful it is to use those stones, but because this was a loss. His death was quick, but it wasn’t easy. The price that the universe paid to be saved was Tony Stark’s life, and him just vanishing afterward would have felt cheap and robbed the people around him of their closure.
And again, it worked perfectly as the counterpoint for Steve. His life was short but he died protecting everyone else. He died so that he didn’t have to watch anyone he loved die instead, and he died surrounded by the people he cared about, finally redeemed of his sins.
Then there’s Steve.
Now, I don’t think his death was necessary like Tony’s. But because Tony did die, it does make sense they might kill Steve too. And I don’t think anyone would question that if they chose to kill Steve in the battle against Thanos. But if they did that, someone would have been blamed. Carol, Thor, Scott, Tony, whoever. Someone would get the blame, and I think it would have been extremely demoralizing to see Captain America die during the battle, where morale was so paper thin already.
Plus, like I said, his needed to be a counterpoint to Tony.
Tony got to have his time with the love of his life, but then cut it short for the sake of everyone in the universe, died young, before anyone else, sacrificed etc. It fit his personality, his fast-paced, short tempered quippy self.
Steve is the one with the unnaturally long life, forced to live for over a hundred years and losing everyone and everything around him. Peggy is the love of his life, and unlike Tony he had to watch her transform from a young woman to an old frail thing who had moved on without him, and then eventually die while he was still in the prime of his youth. He has no future to look forward to. Because of his lifespan, all that’s going to happen is him watching his friends all die around him one by one, Nat, Tony, Sam, Bucky, Bruce, etc.
In the end, he’s finally given the opportunity to do the impossible: go back where he belongs. Go back to the world with everyone that he remembers and loves from his past. Go back to the woman whom he loves the most, who he’ll never truly move on from. Live, like Tony always told him to.
And so - with Bucky’s blessing, I’ll note - he does. Everything about Steve has been the displaced, long suffering soldier, and in his ending, he finally gets to come home from the war. He already sacrificed himself and the love he should have had with Peggy way back in the First Avenger. He should have died in that ice, he planned to, just as Tony does. And thus, the only proper ending for Steve isn’t a heroic sacrifice - because he’s already made his - but being able to finally live the life that he gave up for the world. In a way, it’s Tony’s last gift to him, as Tony finally created a time machine to send Steve (who he weirdly thinks of as a friend) back where he belongs.
But even so, Steve is Steve. He got to live his life with Peggy and grow old, but he still watched her die. Again. He lost Peggy twice, and everyone he knew from that timeline as well - not only did he leave it and all them behind, but most of those people would have died (I like to think he saved Howard Stark, though, for the Tony who never knew him and for that Bucky). And he’s still not dead. Which means he’s still living (at least until they say he died off-screen, anyway), and he may yet still watch more of his friends die around him before he can finally find his rest.
Basically, their endings are counterpoints to each other, and also perfect for themselves. Tony flares up bright and burns out in spectacular fashion saving the universe, and Steve is the long-burning candle, the last light that lingers in the darkness after everyone else flickers out, the one who can’t sacrifice himself even when he tries, and so all he can do is live until the end, and pass on his flame to someone else.
They’re both sad in different ways, and they’re both the best kind of ending the writers could have come up for those characters in particular.
and now a few quick rebuttals to the common complaints in particular:
Tony’s survivor’s guilt IS why he goes back to save Peter and the others even at his own personal risk. Anyone else would have refused to help or even actively interfered, because the risk of losing their child would be too much. The risk of failing and still losing their child, when the world was continuing on without any future danger to it, would just be too much.
And that’s another reason he died. The guilt would have eaten him alive if anyone else had snapped and saved the universe for him.
Thor was not ‘fine’ in Infinity War. He was clinging to the thin hope that he could stop Thanos because he was essentially destined to stop Thanos. He had to believe that he had a greater purpose and everything happened the way it did because it had to. He’d been clinging to that for a long time, in fact, and when he failed to kill Thanos, failed to save everyone, that hope was ripped away from him. He didn’t just collapse because he failed Thanos, he became lost and adrift because everything that he built his identity around vanished and he didn’t know who or what he was supposed to be or do anymore. He needed his mother to tell him to be who he is and not who he’s supposed to be to save him from that. And he still remarks at the end that “I’ve never had nothing to do before, I’m not sure what to do with that.”
I wrote a bunch of stuff about why Steve isn’t being selfish and all of those quibbles are silly, but then accidentally lost that, and I don’t feel like rewriting it. Other people have covered that anyway. Steve isn’t being selfish. He creates a world line where everyone gets to be happy, and in the end he gives that up so that he can give his friends closure again, and spend time with them in his twilight. They didn’t lose Steve, he just aged to the point he should have been.
Avengers Endgame timeline isn’t complicated, it’s very simple. I’ll make that a separate post though. In short: they use the world lines theory Steins;Gate uses, so paradoxes are functionally impossible. They literally cannot happen.
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TV Tropes is giving me Willores feels
Tragic Villain: He wasn’t the dashing white hat hero he’d hoped to be, but he wasn’t a heartless goodfornothing either. Given his behaviour early in the series, we’re given the hint he’s a man struggling with emotional issues, loneliness and society’s expectations. The darkness and cruelty that he sees and experiences in Westworld rubs him the wrong way. When the unexpected friendship he develops with Dolores, a ray of hope among all the negativity and human cynicism, is cruelly dashed, William well and truly loses it, bit by bit. His turn to villainy comes across as an outright revolt against his previous idealism, implying that he lost faith in his own kindness and humanity ever gaining him anything. At first, his newly ruthless approach to life seems to bear some fruit. It doesn’t last. In thirty years time, the belief he adopted about embracing a darker and cruel personality has eventually brought him far more misfortune, grief and guilt in his private life than the undisputed success he enjoys in public, on a surface level. Tellingly, elderly William loves to ramble to himself about life choices and whether he ever had a choice in anything. He thought he could break free of others’ domination and ridicule by giving them a taste of their own medicine, but he realises too late that exact decision had hurt countless people and made his own life a pile of misery, lies and empty posturing. After becoming the Man in Black, William was, at best, a Byronic Hero or Anti-Villain, and at his worst, a deeply reprehensible man, making many bad and a few monstrous decisions along the way.
Trauma Conga Line: Even though he gradually became a villain, embracing cynical pragmatism and a jaded view of the world and most humans, his fall from grace isn’t all that surprising. While on his first visit in the park, he is near-constantly ridiculed, bullied and even abused by Logan, simply for trying to be a kind, considerate person. Logan has little patience or consideration for Bill’s “roleplayer and a gentleman” approach, preferring to shoot or rough up hosts left and right. In most cases, William protests feebly, but you can see the desperation and anger in him slowly stewing. After Logan gleefully harms Dolores, causing her serious wounds, while William is forced to watch the entire sick act of violence, William quietly snaps. Though Logan thinks he has him on the ropes after trying to destroy his friendship and romance with Dolores, the William he meets the following day is now an eeriely calm and terrifying individual. Though Logan gets his comeuppance for his abusive behaviour, William’s cunning vengeance on Logan shows that the abused is starting to become the abuser. Once William returns to Westworld, a somewhat darker, but still hopeful figure, his remaining idealism is promptly dashed once he sees Dolores and realises her memory has been completely reset. From then on, he slowly crafts the dark alter ego that will develop into The Man in Black. William becoming every bit as abusive of the weak and innocent as Logan and others were of him, goes full circle in a terrifying way when we realise he’s abused a helpless Dolores several times as the Man in Black… The very same woman he loved and wanted to protect from abuse and mistreatment, only to become a heinous abuser of her decades later. Messed up.
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RULES: List five tropes applicable to your character, then tag others to do the same. (Tropes Wiki) REPOST! DO NOT REBLOG.
Nice Guy: Especially in the anime. Shintaro has his anti-social tendencies, but he's a caring and forgiving individual, and he deeply regrets how he treated people in the past. He doesn't indulge in mockery or teasing nearly as much as the other characters, and whenever he's provoked or annoyed, it's usually justified. Best exemplified when he meets Hibiya in the anime. He's willing to help Hibiya search the city for his friend despite barely knowing him.
Mr. Vice Guy: For all of his laziness and discreet perversion, he's still an all-around Nice Guy.
Loser Protagonist: Despite his IQ, Shintaro isn't very impressive. He's a high school dropout who spends all of his time in his room, can't talk to women without looking like a weirdo, and gets little respect from the people around him.
Broken Ace: On paper, Shintaro is made of awesome. Not only is he an attractive genius who effortlessly cruised through grade school with top marks, he's also a pro at shooting games, a surprisingly good music artist (given that he composed Toumei Answer In-Universe), capable of formulating plans guaranteed to succeed under the stress of probable death, and is constantly in the presence of cute girls that generally ignore all his faults and like him anyway. In practice, however, Shintaro found such talents meaningless, and after the deaths of all of his high-school friends, he suffered a complete breakdown and spent two years as a depressed shut-in on the verge of suicide, and in the present day commands little respect from anyone around him, least of all his own sister. There's nobody that hates Shintaro more than himself.
Trauma Conga Line: He loses Ayano, his only friend from middle school, to suicide, and then comes to blame himself for it because prior to finding out, he ran into Kano who, while pretending to be her using his powers, told Shintaro "It's your fault for not noticing anything". On top of that, you eventually realize that Takane and Haruka, who were the only two other people Shintaro hung out with, also died that day, which means that he lost his entire social circle overnight. It's not that surprising he became a depressed recluse after that.
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Staying Quiet- Part Five
Tony Stark x Daughter! Reader
Tony Stark x Steve Rogers
Summary- The reader was made from Tony’s DNA (and an unknown inhuman). Fury brings her to Tony after the civil war. The reader is 5 and doesn’t speak due to the trauma she has faced in her life. But Tony finds out she can control machines.
Message- Here’s the last part!!! I loved writing this series, keep your eye’s out for the sequel, Speaking Out!! Sorry if this sucks!
Part One Part Two Part Three Part Four
Word Count- 739
The wedding took three months to plan, you’ve been taking your responsibilities as the flower girl very seriously. You helped pick the colors (pink and grey), you helped pick the cake (Chocolate), and you even got to pick out your own dress, it was white and poufy and perfect, AND you had a crown. You were probably more excited for this wedding than your Dad and your soon-to-be Papa. You and Steve got close, the two of you would watch Disney movies together and color. Steve was even teaching you to paint! Pepper had helped you get ready for the wedding, then it was your turn to walk down the aisle, when you got the front, you shyly hugged your Dads leg, being in front of so many people was scary. Your Dad was holding both of Steve’s hands with one of his own, as his other was rubbing soothing circles on your back. You zone out for most of the ceremony, but then you hear Steve say your name and your eyes snap to him as he starts to kneel down in front of you.
“Y/N, I want you to know that I love you and your father very much and that I am never ever going to leave the two of you. I am so, so happy that you made enough room in your heart for use to become a family. I promise to love you, protect you and to always be there for you.” Steve says as he pulls a locket out of his suit jacket pocket. “This locket is to commemorate today, the day the three of us become a family.” He continues as he puts the locket around your neck, you smile up at him.
<I love you> You sign and your Papa smiles at you as he pulls you into a hug. Then the ceremony continues and Your Dad and Papa kiss (Ewww). Steve picks you up and the three of go back down the aisle, your Dad and Papa have their arms looped together. The three of you pose for a bunch of pictures.
“You ready to party, Baby Girl?” Your Dad asks and you nod excitedly.
The after party is lot’s of fun you get to color and eat tiny pizzas on fancy bread AND the yummy chocolate cake you picked. You watch your Dad and Papa dance together and then they pull you onto the dance floor and the three of you dance together. Then the music changes and you end up dancing with a lot of your family, you and Peter even start a conga line. Eventually you get sleepy and you end up falling asleep on your Dads lap, you only wake up when your Papa lifts you off of him so the three of you can go home.
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Your Dad and Papa had been on their honeymoon for TWO WHOLE WEEKS, you missed them. You, Bucky and Rhodey were waiting for them on the roof of the tower, they were due back today. You watched the helicopter slowly land and as soon as it lands your Dad jumps out.
“WHERE’S MY LITTLE PEANUT!!!” He yells as you run into his arms, he lifts you up, spins you around and then rests you on his hip and you wrap your arms tightly around his neck. “YOU’VE GOT SO BIG MUNCHKIN! I’VE MISSED SO MUCH! WE CAN NEVER LEAVE HER FOR THIS LONG AGAIN, STEVE!” You start giggling and you kiss your Dads cheek.
“Well then I guess all of our vacations from here on out will have to be family ones.” Your Papa says. “Hey Squirt, I missed you.” He says as he takes you out of your Dads arms, then he kisses your forehead as you rest your head on his shoulder.
“I-I-I m-i-i-s-s-e-d y-y-o-o-u, P-P-P-a a-a-n-n-d D-D-a.” You stutter out. Both of them smile at you.
“Let’s go check on your siblings!” Tony says to you.
<Dum-E missed you> You sign and your Dad and Papa laugh and you joined in, giggling like a mad woman. Later that night the three of you were snuggled together on the couch, your Dad fast asleep, while you and your Papa watched Frozen.
“I-I-I l-l-o-o-v-v-e y-y-y-o-o-u, P-a-a-pa” You stutter out.
“I love you too, Y/N. I’m so glad we’ve gotten the chance to be a family.” Your Papa says.
“M-M-e-e-e t-t-o-o-o.” You say as you snuggle closer to your Papa.
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