#transfem leo lore

[doughliciousfrosting]

What was it like for your Transfem Leo to come out to her family?

Intro:

Oh my god I love this question. I LOVE ANY QUESTION ACTUALLY. Personally I've been debating on whether Leo would come out as transfem before or after Splinter's death. I've decided before for the simple reason that I really want Splinter to have a nice moment with her as her daughter yk? I guess I'd have to start off with how Leo realized she was transfem. I'm gonna be honest prior to this ask I hadn't given it much thought so I'll try my best to figure it out here right now!! If my initial headcanon for this changes I'll make an update post on it later.

Leo realizes she's transfem:

I'd imagine the turtles themselves don't really have a strong sense of gender, since not only are they turtles, they've also spent the first 15 years of their life in social isolation in the sewers. The only idea of gender they really percieve stems from Splinter, and from their perspective I imagine they kind of just interpret Splinter as a ninja and nothing else. So I think Leo initially tries her best to mimic Splinter and his behaviors. I think Leo's view on herself completely shifted when they met April, because she was an entirely new person. I think Leo at first didn't think much of it because April was human, but then when they met Casey she didn't feel the same kind of envy YKWIM?? Like Leo took one look at April and was like "idk what that is but I wanna be that." I feel like this internal dialogue came to a climax when she went to visit the tea girl from S1. I headcanon she still visits and they have cute lil tea parties lol. So the little girl says she wants to give Leo a makeover, and at first Leo is like "haha no." And the girl is INSISTENT she's like "if you don't let me I'm going to scream and get my dad over here" and Leo caves finally, she's like "OKAY OKAY 😰😰" so the girl dresses her up with what she can (obviously the little girls clothes wouldn't fit Leo who has a huge ass shell on her back LMAO) and she tries to do Leo's makeup. Leo looks in the mirror and thinks like wow.. something abt this just clicks for me. And it kind of makes Leo realize like, this is what she had been wanting since she realized there were genders outside of her rat dad LMAO.

Coming out:

April:

With this in mind, I think that Leo wouldn't exactly have a word for what she is? And frankly I don't think she'd immediately take action either. I think she'd go to April for help, and after telling April what she felt, April would be able to explain what Leo is experiencing. So I guess unintentionally, she came out to April first LMAO 😭 and after Leo realizes she might be trans she's kind of like ermrmmm what do I do abt it now.... So I imagine April gives Leo help on where to start! I think she'd recommend Leo come out to her family members one at a time (if that's what she wanted). So Leo thinks on it for a couple of days or weeks.. (Let's be honest, months). And after finally mustering the courage, she picks a sibling to talk to.

Donnie:

I don't know if this is surprising to some people or not, but I feel like Leo would come out to Donnie first. Mainly because Donnie wouldn't yell (Raph) and would be less likely to accidentally tell other people (sorry Mikey..) Since the 2012 turtles aren't as in touch with emotions as the ROTTMNT turtles, I think that it would definitely be very awkward, but Leo would try to approach it as scientifically as possible. Which serves a double purpose of not being confusing and also being a little more devoid of emotion. I think Leo would start like "you know how gender is a social construct and etc.." And then after blabbing over her words Donnie would be like "hold on are you trying to tell me you're trans?" And Leo would be like "erm.. Yas? Unless u think it's weird because then no.." I think Donnie would know what trans means bcuz Donnie studies human society and stuff. I don't think he'd know how to respond, but I think he'd def question Leo on it out of curiousity, not malice. So after a thorough interview so Donnie can collect data LMAO Donnie kicks leo out the lab is like "cool thanks sis," and that's the end of it.

Mikey:

I think Leo would go to Mikey next because I dont think Mikey would care much BAHAHA. I imagine it's just Leo pulling up next to Mikey (whos doing something like hanging out with I.C.K. or practicing skateboarding) and I imagine the convo goes somewhat like this:

Leo: "Mikey?"

Mikey: "Yeah bro?"

Leo: "uhh I'm not ur bro, I'm ur sister it'd be cool if u could call me that from now on"

Mikey: "cool sis."

Mikey and Leo: "...."

Mikey: "do I still call u Leo orrrr?-"

Leo: "Leo is fine! I have to go train now so uhh bye?"

Mikey: "k bye Leo!"

Mikey would be so unbothered I think LMAO

Raph:

I think Raph would be last, why? Because any sort of convo with Raph regarding emotions tends to be very heavy for Leo and Raph together lmao. I think Leo would STRESS OUT, after telling Mikey she 100% has to tell Raph soon before someone else says something. I think Leo would ask to speak to Raph while Raph's in his room. After knocking and being allowed inside, Leo would sit on raphs bed completely silent and withdrawn. Raph would realize the serious atmosphere and give Leo his full attention. After a little awkward silence, raph would get over it and I think the convo would go something like:

Raph: "Whats up leo? You kinda just made urself cozy in my room. "

Leo: "I..... need to talk to u abt something"

Raph: "well yeah I figured that much"

Leo: "right...."

- more silence -

Raph: "so?? -"

Leo: "Raph. Do you hate girls"

Raph: "WHAT???"

Leo: "WAIT NO THATS NOT HOW I MEANT TO ASK THAT"

Raph: "are u asking me if I'm gay???"

Leo: "NOOO NO NO I'M ASKING ABOUT ME"

Raph: ".... Are *YOU* gay???"

Leo: " WAIT NO.."

Raph: "cuz it's fine if u are this is just a rlly weird way to say it"

Leo: "NOO NO I LIKE GIRLS, THATS NOT WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU"

Raph: "SO SPIT IT OUT ALREADY!!"

Leo: *sighs*

Leo: "okay I like girls right?.. But I dont just LIKE girls, I also like um.. BEING a girl."

Raph: "huh???"

Leo: "LIKE. YOU KNOW??"

Raph: "wait so.. youre saying that youreeeee a girl?...." (Brain processing)

Leo: "yes...."

Raph: "....so are you gonna like wear dresses and tiaras now?"

Leo: "dude. Have u ever been around a girl?? U don't see April walking around in dresses and tiaras!"

Raph: "I was just asking jeez!!"

Leo: "well don't ask dumb questions!! And to answer ur dumb question no, I will not. I'm a ninja first, I don't think doing flips and Parkour around the city in a big poofy dress is very practical.."

Raph: "righttt.... so when are you gonna tell everyone else?"

Leo: *cringes* "emm I kind of already told everybody else besides splinter? ":)"

Raph: ".........."

Raph: "WHY AM I THE LAST PERSON TO KNOW!?"

-- end scene LOL --

Splinter:

I don't exactly have dialogue for this one, but I think it would definitely be the hardest one for Leo to do. I think Leo would feel like shes ruining splinters expectations of her or something yk?? So she starts off on this big ramble about how she'll always be splinters kid and she hopes this doesn't change anything. I think she'd come off as kind of hysterical so splinter would shut her down and straight up ask what's wrong. So Leo would blurt it out and splinter would 100% be accepting. I think splinter would tell Leo that back when he first named them, he assumed them all to be boys bcuz he didn't want another daughter at the time since he was still mourning Miwa and didn't want to feel like he was replacing her. Splinter would tell Leo he's honored to have her as a daughter now, and then ask if she wants another name that suits her. I personally think Leo would decline, I think she'd want to keep it because it's the one splinter gave her and she doesn't have a problem being called leonardo lolol

Conclusion:

Firstly, this was a long read so if ur still here thank u for listening to my word vomit!! Secondly, I'd like to give a disclaimer here.. **I AM NOT A WRITER** HELPMEAHSLAH I don't know if thats clear or not. I have a vague idea on how these events would go, but I can't always articulate them correctly. I hope this was somewhat comprehensible. And lastly, to the person who sent the message thank u for the asking!! This was very fun to answer and it made me give thought to something I hadn't before!

Edit: WAIT LAST THING I FORGOT TO ADD. I AM NOT TRANS!!!! So if the way I describe this experience for Leo doesn't seem right please let me know 😭😭

[sad-leon]

I realized I never made a proper coloured reference for Doe!!!

Here is her!!!

For those that may not know her: she is biologically female, yet was raised as a boy. she goes by "Doe" until her family associates the name "Leonardo" with her rather than when she was presenting as their brother

She uses exclusively she/her and likes to dress up around the lair, but when she goes out, at most she'll have mikey help her tie her mask into a bow :D

[adorabledrugl0rd]

Okok Art requests-

Big Sis Leo carrying Tiny Leon in her arms vs Future Leon carrying Big Sis Leo on his shoulder

Aka some 'The Smallest Acorn becomes the Biggest Tree' wholesome stuffs lol because I'm pretty sure the height difference is that Leo is knee-level (or at least thigh/leg-level) for Future Leon lmao

mans has to squat and lean over to actually hug her, and even then she's on her tippy-toes!

Also maybe Dee, Riot and Kitty (I think that was one of your Big Sis Leo 12!Mikey's nicknames... might be wrong tho) comparing Leo and Future Leon to a Polaroid of Leo and Baby Leon, all three of them are just "......holy SHIT-"

How did I not think of this????

Also I just realized their height difference too.? Wtf is wrong with me??.?

Also I realized I never gave y’all their actual names, just the kids nicknames for them, so I might as well put them here:

Mikey - Apollo

Raph - Artemis

Dee - Hephaestus

Leo - originally Theseus, now Athena

[tmntphantom]

can anyone send me asks btw please please please please please please pl(normal about them)

for this week's wip wednesday i all i have is a meagre messy leona growth chart with a size comparison splinter in the background. please take my offering.

[ishankedurmom]

so i may or may not have three tmnt fan iterations.....

ANYWAYS- this is TMNT: Underseage :DD (might change the name, not as much of a fan tbh) they are all sea turtles ^^

their time frame is 1935-1941 so shit goes down a lil bit

michelangelo, or mike, is the oldest and a kemp's ridley sea turtle

donatello, or donnie/dee is transfem and a leatherback sea turtle

raphael, or raph/el is a loggerhead sea turtle

leonardo, or leo, is a hawksbill turtle

i like these guys a lot :D open to questions obvi, especially about lore n shit ^^

[prettygirlgerard]

Plssss talk more about transfem party poison im begging u

Literally of course I will always do this. Yessss. Y’all gotta ask me specific questions too though!!!

This sounds lowkey weird but for a year now I’ve had like a linear timeline of my version of the Killjoys just going on in my head, like these characters have evolved in real time over the past year and I’ve expanded the lore and stuff like that.

So basically over the past year I started drawing Party Poison in more feminine fashion and that’s where the head canon sort of sprang up. Cuz Gerard described Party Poison as a character they were tryna express their femininity in but it didn’t “make it all the way” so I started playing with that.

My main vision of Party Poison is them with longer red hair, still choppy and shoulder length, wearing a white tank top and their racing jacket but paired with a y2k Texan-y denim skirt and pink or red cowboy boots.

I’ve never gotten around to properly write it down in a fic but I remember I was drawing this thing once where Ghoul walks in on them getting changed and trying on a bra to see how they feel about it, and that’s when they’d have a whole conversation about gender. Maybe I’ll fully write that out one day but it’s just an event that happened in the Leo’s Killjoy Universe Canon.

I don’t really know what to say that I haven’t said before but if you ask me specific questions about them I can answer, yk? Like “oh what do they think about ___ what do they wear for ___” stuff like that :3

[s0fti3w1tch]

I will probably send another Ask later to you, but I am separating them because content-wise I think it makes sense.

So I just wanted to talk about this ask:

https://www.tumblr.com/s0fti3w1tch/712638605488799744/not-to-sound-impatient-but-whens-the-next-part/ask

I don't know if that link will work, but the only way I could add a link right was by adding the "/ask" (or "/submit", but this is an Ask) at the end of the link.

If it doesn't work because I added the "/ask" at the end. It will probably work for sure if you get rid of the "/ask" and then try it then.

Anyways, I was just going to say; while I am also very excited for TD!AU, and I love all the art, written stuff about it, lore, the comics ofc, and/or etc. (I love separated AUs. And I love Leo so much; I love the others too though, but Leo is basically my favorite in every version (so u seeing all the nice Rise and/or Rise Leo content here is nice. I also really liked seeing some 2012 and/or 2012 Leo stuff from u, because just him too, and that 2003 Raph post u did; I love them so much too ofc), and ur blog gives so much cool Leo stuff and separated AU stuff. Both urs and others. And TD!AU combines both of those things, and also great stuff for the others, and a real focus on family (like, Leo does really care for Casey and the Foot as family. And then so does his family that thinks he is dead. Like, I really liked the stuff we have seen with April, Casey, Donnie, and Hueso and/or Leo. I am excited to see more of that. And stuff with Raph and Mikey and their feelings about Leo. Both before they find out he is actually alive and after) . And Leo and Casey stuff. And Foot Leo. Also, Hueso stuff in the future. And it is going to have Usagi and Mona Lisa in some form too? Awesome!

Also, ur comic and art is just so, so good. I love ur Leo so much. And I am curious to see (though like, I say this tentatively, because I know it is very personal for you) how the cult themes play out with Leo and everything. And to see more of ur take on Foot!Leo and Separated Leo (will probably talk more about this in another ask at some point); since I love both ofc.

Anyways, back on topic; while I am always excited for more TD!AU stuff; I can wait. The comic is gorgeous, and the 2nd part was even longer than the first, so they must take a hot minute, and honestly, I can wait for quality work. And u have given us a lot of other cool stuff between comic updates (and even if you didn't, I could still wait for when you do post stuff); to tide us over.

Basically; while TD!AU is one of the the things I really look forward to more stuff about and updates for; you are still just a person, and I can wait.

One last question (for this ask at least):

About this ask (once again, remove the "/ask" if the link doesn't work without it):

https://www.tumblr.com/s0fti3w1tch/712637475051454464/hey-buwan-what-are-the-orientations-identities/ask

I really love these headcanons for these 3! (also, I saw in a comic, that Leo used to be Venus in this, and I love that! I also sometimes see people, with transfem Leo, where people see vice versa with Leo becoming Venus after. Which I think is interesting too. Even though I also just love him being Leona or just sticking with Leo after coming out, as well as some other names and/or takes too)

"(also I do get what you mean w/ the whole different headcanons thing per universe! Kinda the way I see 2k12 Leo as a trans girl, but Rise Leo as transmasc. Just doubled down into differnt versions of only Rise Leo specifically)"

I thought you mainly saw all Leos as transmac? Referencing ur Masterpost here (could be misremembering it though). Not that it matters either way; just curious.

Also, I love both transmasc and transfem for any Leo honestly (like 2012 and Rise ofc). I basically headcanon them all Leos as not straight either, I just have trouble seeing Leo being so. Though I am totally okay if others don't think so. Though, saying that, yeah, sometimes different versions, different takes, even though I do still said what I said here.

One last question about the quote and/or ask above (and just in general), what do you mean by "Just doubled down into different versions of Rise Leo specifically'?

I just want to say thank you so much for this message. I've been meaning to reply to it for a while, but I haven't had the time. I wish I had the right words to express. Thank you so much for the support and your long asks (like, I genuinely love reading through them). The amount of time you've put into typing these or paying attention and keeping in mind the details I share just means so so so so much

I love making things for the story of Tentative Devotee.

Thank you for waiting.

Oh and that last one. I sometimes headcanon Rise Leo as different orientations and gender identities depending on the AU (though mostly adjacent to me or my sibling's experience)!

Generally, Rise Leo specifically I see as trans with a masc-aligned gender identity!

But I see 2012 Leo as transfem. Other headcanons: 2003 Leo is aroace, bigender and sapphic 1987 Leo

Again, thank you for this ask. I hope you have an amazing day

[sad-leon]

I have a question for your Leonardoe au

How was Splinter's reaction to Doe coming out? Was he worried that she'll have the same fate as his beloved mother?

I'm also curious to how Draxum would react

So the Hamato legacy, atleast in this au, transfers down throught he girls of the bloodline, so when Doe really feels comfortable in her gender, the Hamato ancestors start to reach out to her despite her Ninpo not being unlocked. They try to force it to unlock so she can begin her training

Splinter, on the other had, afraid of Doe meeting the same fate as his mother, lives in denial. He supports her identity, but really.. doesn't change how he treats her. He tries to brush off Doe's concern about the Ninpo spirits, then they'll go away

Draxum on the other hand, doesn't really know what being trans is. He was aware Doe was female, but didn't really care much about how she was presenting. When Draxum does become closer to the family, he's kinda bad about misgendering her in the beginning, not really understanding what the brothers meant when they said she was trans. He looked it up and assumed that meant that she was trans masc due to her being biologically female. After a while, Draxum gets educated and realizes his mistake

[tantei-chan01]

He must've been relieved that the cycle is finally broken with the defeat of the Shredder

I have a question for your Leonardoe au

How was Splinter's reaction to Doe coming out? Was he worried that she'll have the same fate as his beloved mother?

I'm also curious to how Draxum would react

So the Hamato legacy, atleast in this au, transfers down throught he girls of the bloodline, so when Doe really feels comfortable in her gender, the Hamato ancestors start to reach out to her despite her Ninpo not being unlocked. They try to force it to unlock so she can begin her training

Splinter, on the other had, afraid of Doe meeting the same fate as his mother, lives in denial. He supports her identity, but really.. doesn't change how he treats her. He tries to brush off Doe's concern about the Ninpo spirits, then they'll go away

Draxum on the other hand, doesn't really know what being trans is. He was aware Doe was female, but didn't really care much about how she was presenting. When Draxum does become closer to the family, he's kinda bad about misgendering her in the beginning, not really understanding what the brothers meant when they said she was trans. He looked it up and assumed that meant that she was trans masc due to her being biologically female. After a while, Draxum gets educated and realizes his mistake

[varra-ren]

Mans a tall

Must carry the one who helped raze him

Its the natural flow

Okok Art requests-

Big Sis Leo carrying Tiny Leon in her arms vs Future Leon carrying Big Sis Leo on his shoulder

Aka some 'The Smallest Acorn becomes the Biggest Tree' wholesome stuffs lol because I'm pretty sure the height difference is that Leo is knee-level (or at least thigh/leg-level) for Future Leon lmao

mans has to squat and lean over to actually hug her, and even then she's on her tippy-toes!

Also maybe Dee, Riot and Kitty (I think that was one of your Big Sis Leo 12!Mikey's nicknames... might be wrong tho) comparing Leo and Future Leon to a Polaroid of Leo and Baby Leon, all three of them are just "......holy SHIT-"

How did I not think of this????

Also I just realized their height difference too.? Wtf is wrong with me??.?

Also I realized I never gave y’all their actual names, just the kids nicknames for them, so I might as well put them here:

Mikey - Apollo

Raph - Artemis

Dee - Hephaestus

Leo - originally Theseus, now Athena