#toxic hotd stans

[witchy-v1xen]

Attention...the toxicity of the hotd fandom is so concerning. I'm being inboxed and called a hypocrite based on my past opinions of the show. First and foremost people are aloud to like and dislike certain characters or grow to like them. It's just a show first and foremost and has no ties to real life history so please stfu.

[unicoo]

Viserys neglecting his children is OKAY, but Aegon & Alicent doing it ISNT OKAY?…

Rhaenyra sleeping with a man who isn’t her husband AND having said man’s children is OKAY, but Alicent sleeping with Criston AFTER Viserys DIES ISNT OKAY?….

Rhaenyra & Daemon hooking up at Laena’s funeral is OKAY, but Aemond claiming Vhagar at Laena’s funeral ISNT OKAY?…..

Jace possibly cheating on Baela with Sara or Cregan is OKAY, but Aegon stepping out on Helaena ISNT OKAY?……

Daemon planning & plotting against literally ANYONE is OKAY, but Alicent, Criston, Otto, & Aemond plotting & planning ISNT OKAY?…….

Rhaenyra defending her sons & demanding Aemond be sharply questioned is OKAY, but Alicent wanting Justice for her son & an eye for an eye ISNT OKAY?……..

Baela & Rhaena being passed over for their BIRTHRIGHT is OKAY, but when it’s Rhaenyra who’s cheated out of her “birthright” it ISNT OKAY?………

Rhaenyra acts entitled & spoiled it’s OKAY, but let the Green kids act entitled & spoiled it ISNT OKAY?……….

Daemon pays to take young girls maidenhoods (most of them brothel workers who were TEENAGERS) it’s OKAY, but Aegon does it and it ISNT OKAY?………..

Daemon orders the death of a child & it’s OKAY, it’s JUSTIFIED, but Aemond takes RIGHTFUL REVENGE against a boy OLD ENOUGH TO FIGHT BACK and it ISNT OKAY?…………(idgaf what you say if someone bullied you then jumped you then took your eye & got away with it YOU’D BE PISSEED TO LIE & SAY YOU WOULDNT 😐)

Rhaenyra having “bastards” is OKAY, but Aegon & Aemond having bastards ISNT OKAY?………….

Daemon can allow for women & children to be hurt in all ways imaginable that’s OKAY, but Aemond taking ONE woman as a spoiled of war ISNT OKAY?……….…. (If Alys wanted to she could’ve ended up in various different positions yk being a WITCH & all)

Rhaenyra can lose nearly all her children & get compassion that’s OKAY, but giving Aegon & Helaena compassion over their son dying when he literally DIDNT DO SHIT ISNT OKAY??…………...

Visenya dies, being sad about that is OKAY, but being sad about Jaehaera’s death ISNT OKAY?………….…

Rhaenyra being a shit to children is OKAY, but Alicent being a shit to children ISNT OKAY?……….…….

Luke & Jace bullying Aemond is OKAY because they were younger, but AEGON bullying Aemond ISNT OKAY, because…?………………………….…

Because y’all are hypocrites! The whole point of this post is to showcase just how hypocritical the toxic fans (mostly team black) are. Rhaenyra & her side do it, all is fine & it doesn’t matter. Aegon & his side do it and there’s an uproar, they’re evil & deserve horribleness. Give me a fucking break honestly 🙄

If you see this tragedy and decide to make it worse by picking sides or not giving empathy, sympathy, & understanding to both sides then you need to grow tf up, mature A LOT, then look at the media again because somewhere along the way you missed the importance of this story and OUR WORLD is shitter for that!

[alicentsaegon]

Biblically accurate non defanged Alicent Hightower and Rhaenyra Targaryen btw

[reignof-fyre]

I hate team green

Who i don't hate: Rhys Ifans, Olivia Cooke, Tom Glynn-Carney, Ewan Mitchell, Fabian Frankel, Phia Saban, or any other actor who plays a fictional character in team green, because I'm not INSANE

STOP bashing the actors who play loathsome characters. These people are not the bad people we see on screen. They have not committed the crimes Team Green have, nor do they deserve any hate for their BRILLIANT and PHENOMENAL performances in this show.

[vinnianlovesdinosaurs]

House of The Dragon Hot Take #15

I think it's HILARIOUS how you guys practically got manipulated by Otto Hightower through the screen 😭 Throughout the entire series we see that nothing he did was for the good of anyone but himself but he actively tries to make it seem like it's helping his "family." When he first said that Rhaenyra would have their siblings killed there was literally no reason for him to think that, he was just talking to talk and you guys genuinely believed him ☠ Rhaenyra had no intentions of killing, maiming, or severely injuring ANYBODY especially not her siblings so she could ascend the throne until The Greens drew first blood. You guys shit on Rhaenyra time and time again but she was inherently peaceful. You guys cannot tell me with a straight face you would not go batshit crazy in Rhaenyra's position because I know I would. Even on Driftmark, her anger was still very justified. Now that isn't me condoning what happened to Aemond, but Luke's nose got broken and Jace nearly got his head smacked in with a rock TWICE and then Alicent (A grown woman) tried to go after her 6 year old son with a knife (and if you pay attention to the way the knife was angled it not only would have taken his eye but killed him as well. DETAILS PEOPLE DETAILS !!) And for the people also trying to justify Aemond killing Luke because 6 year old Luke "bullied" him by saying that Luke is seventeen. Luke isn't seventeen. In the show Rhaenyra literally says he is fourteen. Aemond is believed to be between 17 and 20. As much as I love Alicent and Aemond as characters they aren't saints like so many of you try to say they are. Aemond is canonically a psychopath who quite literally cares about his ambitions, revenge, and power. I have said this time and time again. Rhaenyra's anger is justified.

[ladyadaine]

Daemyra fans need to think back on their life choices. You people are mad because the relationship between uncle and niece is being portrayed as being toxic and problematic, as it should be

[borislava17]

Now that I’m rereading fire and blood again, Alicent is kinda growing on me……

[sukibenders]

Something that still doesn't sit right with me while being a part of the HOTD fandom is how Laena was done so dirty, from being placed as a "second" option for Daemon and having him keep her from returning home, from having her daughters see Driftmark, from seeing her own brother and parents before she died! That added on to the fact of how Daemon just sucked at loving her the way she deserved makes my blood boil. And to make matters worse, to drive the knife further, is during her funeral (added on to him laughing during it, which wasn't appropriate at all no matter the context or what anyone says) where she and her unborn son were only just recently placed at the bottom of the sea, Daemon and Rhaenyra sleep together and then marry each other all within the span of the same episode (don't even get me started on how they went heavy into the romantics of the moment but couldn't even bother to show Daemon be affection with Laena like he was in the books I believe).

And some in the fandom reaction to all this can be such a turn off. Because you can have people, mainly black fans, rightfully call out problems with this plot change, with Rhaenyra and Daemon sleeping together only right after Laena's funeral and will be met with so many heinous responses (a lot in which tie in with centering Rhaenyra and going "oh so you hate her" type beat) and it's so frustrating. That, and how we barely see Daemon interact with his daughters, let alone be affectionate as well as protective over them---that scene where the girls are bruised from a fight and clear in distress and yet Daemon doesn't even move to check on them nor go into a rage at the fact that his daughters were harmed, let alone the fact that his now dead wife's dragon was claimed by another on the day of her funeral. None of that. But will stand protectively by Rhaenyra and her sons' side without second thought. Make it make sense.

[targwh0re]

I literally just got hated on for an old post where I was pointing out that Rhaenyra in this scene:

Was so smart for using this as a political move. I had previously stated that Alicent did not force Rhaenyra to bring her the child directly after birth, and instead had only requested the baby. Rhaenyra, as a mother refused to be parted from her newborn baby, and instead of taking the back passages that we know she is aware of decides to take the way most out in the open. She is showing people “look at what the queen is forcing me to do” to garner sympathy for possible future allies.

She is a mother refusing to have her child taken from her, and at the same time a political genius for the future events that take place.

The man who asks if she is okay and offers her a favor (I could be wrong about this) but isn’t he the one who pretend to submit to the greens but then tries to run to tell Rhaenyra and we later see him hanging?!?

Instead of trying to see my perspective or politely disagreeing with me and explaining to me you’re perspective I got nothing but hate from people whom I don’t thing even read the full post.

This stuff really makes me want to leave the fandom entirely sometimes. We all like the same FICTIONAL tv show. We can have differing opinions. I for one love to read all the differing perspectives, ideas, and theories. Plz stop ruining it by just being an asshole❤️

[iheartbookbran]

me on june 13 watching Bridgerton vs me on june 16 watching HOTD

[perkeleen-lavellan]

I have to say, from my brief foray into the HOTD fandom I can only say, you're all equally toxic and ruin the internet experiences of your own favourite ships by constantly bringing fandom drama into the tags. I have been in some real questionable hot mess fandoms over the years, but considering the newness of the show you guys did in a year what took the whole ass Dragon Age video game series at least 5 to really get going. Congratulations.

[unicoo]

The fact that there are people out there saying GRRM should shut up about HIS opinion on HIS story, when they always seem to give us their opinions even though we never asked is INFUCKINGSANE!! 💀

First y’all try arguing with the man who CREATED this work of FICTION. Trying to make him wrong about HIS OWN SHIT because YOU can’t handle being wrong or not having your OPINION be right & embraced by the masses is mental 😭

Now y’all are saying my guy George should just stfu & keep his opinion to himself……. Babe I’m going to hold your hand when I said this, take your own advice -We the people would greatly appreciate it 🙂

Also to say he was “unprofessional” when he really wasn’t is the most diabolical way to dick ride Ryan & Sara (who treat us like fucking idiots, let’s be real their writing is so bad & some y’all just eat it up with no complaints like the simpletons they think we are🫤) GRRM could’ve talked shit before the season came out or as it was coming out, that would be unprofessional. Instead he waited till the season was over & it marinated with us all, him included, before stating his thoughts. Y’all love to share y’all thoughts but hate whenever somebody who thinks differently than you says something…..🤨

Another thing PLEASE stop fucking saying he needs to go write the next books, or that he’s doing everything but writing the next books. He doesn’t owe y’all shit, especially after seeing the way y’all are acting right now at this very moment. Just a bunch of ungrateful miserable assholes who love spreading hate onto others 🤦‍♀️ If that man decides to never release those books it HIS RIGHT!!! Being an author and writer is not easy. Writing a book is not easy!! If you think it is, then how about you go & do it 🤔

Go on, wander over to a computer and write a best selling SERIES.

[imfromthemiddlekingdom]

I’d be the first to admit I can be very biased and stubborn when it comes to characters I relate to, just look at my unapologetic defense of Feanor and his sons, but I’ve never sent anyone death threats and rape threats over them not agreeing with me on my interpretations of a character. Like I don’t exactly like Indis but I’ve never went out of my way to send anon hate to people who love her. I despise Thingol but I can see where he comes from in regard to the Noldor and have never sent any anon hate to people who hate Feanor and his kin.

Most fandoms I’ve been in have had so called “teams” that people root for yet never in my many years in fandom spaces have I seen a fandom as toxic and unwilling to engage in polite discourse as the HoTD fandom. Even the Star Wars fandom with all its media illiteracy doesn’t have the level of hate present in the HoTD fandom.

I’ve made many “controversial” posts about many things in many fandoms yet I’ve never once received death and rape threats over it until I started posting about my opinions regarding HoTD. Even my most controversial Silmarillion posts didn’t warrant any anon hate yet my inbox has been filled to the brink with anon hate regarding my “wrong analysis” within this fandom. Idk if it’s because the demographic of people who are staunchly team black tend to be younger teens and adults who feel like any opinion that attacks their favorites is an attack on them or because the show writers are encouraging the black and white thinking of one side is good and the other side is evil, but it’s quite tiring engaging in this fandom when most people attack anyone who’s opinions don’t align with their own.

Now I’m not saying Team Black Stans are the only one engaging in such uncouth behaviors but the majority of people I’ve seen being bullied off this site have been people who are Team Green or just Alicent Stans.

When did the internet etiquette of don’t like don’t read/block and move on, stop being practiced? It isn’t hard to just scroll down when you see posts you disagree with or just block the account with opinions that you find infuriating. It’s better for everyone’s mental health and internet experience if people just blocked and moved on instead of sending 10 anons in an hour telling me to kill myself or how I should be raped because I happen to enjoy Aegon as a character.

These people aren’t real! Their fictional! I like Feanor because I like him and I find him interesting. It doesn’t mean I want to go out and start killing people to get back stolen property lmao. And just because I enjoy team green far more than team black doesn’t mean I’m going to one day decide that I should start assaulting people. 

And don’t get me started on the people who deliberately go onto correctly tagged posts to start a fight. Why do you want to argue so badly!!!! Join a debate team if you want to argue with people who also want to argue with you! There’s no need for you to scroll through a tag that is going to make you angry just to start a fight. I don’t go into the anti-Jedi tags and start scrolling. I don’t engage in media that upsets me if I can help it. My internet experience is curated to make me happy, and if I know the anti team green tag would make me angry, I don’t go scrolling through it to start arguments with people I’ve never met and will never meet and who’s opinions really don’t mean jack shit to me.

[hyperfixatedhyperstressed]

When thinking about HotD season 2 and the possibility of Alys being introduced, I have two thoughts.

1. I’m already envious of an unannounced character and uncast actress, God clearly had favourites.

2. While saying that, I am not delusional, I know it’s not real, it’s a tv show about dragons where you pick your favourite bad person. The fandom is toxic in some ways, some “fans” (barely want to call them that) can be cruel and disgusting in how they talk about or to actors/characters who don’t fit the narrative they’ve made in their head, just look at how bad the Greens vs Black discussion can get. I am scared to see what happens and how whoever the actress for Alys will be treated, and Nettles when she is also cast. Aemond has polarised fans as it is, with some vehemently hating the character, and some taking the worship toooo far, and the latter are the fans that are going to make saying your a HotD fan uncomfortable come 2024

Just a PSA for everyone to hold on to and remember for 2024: it’s not real; none of the characters are real, they don’t need you to be their ride or die. Actors are turning up, giving their all to a performance as Aemond, or Daemon, or Alicent, or Alys and then going home as themselves, they don’t deserve being attacked by toxic Stan culture just because they signed a contract and put on a wig. Thank you 😘

[idontreallyknow26]

I genuinley hate people who can't separate character from actor.

And don't yall be like "It's team green!" "It's team black!" ITS ALL OF YOU

Like the unnecessary hate towards Olivia is disgusting. I know she gets the most of it, and Emma gets lots of transphobic comments too.

It's disgusting. Like you don't have to like the character but leave the actors alone??

Along with that, those weirdos that ask the most dogshit questions at panels. "What would you do if I was Rhaenyra?" What would you do if I smacked you in the head with a shovel?

LIKE SHUT THE FUCK UP I HATE ALL OF YOU

Anyway the lotr fandom>the asoiaf fandom

[cl0ud-ninex]

This is going to be a rant so bare with me plz.

The hate is honestly crazy to me because this is behavior I would expect from team green stans not 'team black'. It's one thing to hate how the Velaryon boys exist just to make Rhaenyra look 'incompetent' or not capable, it's another thing to hate them and come up with theories about how Daemon/Aegon iii/Viserys ii would somehow kill all three Velaryon boys and take the throne for themselves.

I'll admit it's been a while since I've read fire and blood, but I don't remember Daemon and his sons being so power hungry that they would kill the Velaryon boys and hurt Rhaenyra and the dragon twins. Rhaenyra loved Aegon and Viserys, but the Velaryon boys were still her sons as well. If losing them because of the Greens and their entitlement hurt her as deep as it did, losing them because of Daemon and her younger sons Aegon and Viserys (three people she loved 10000x more than she ever loved any of the greens) would've destroyed her.

Was Daemon a man of his time? Yes. Did Daemon favor his blood sons over the Velaryon boys? Definitely. No ifs, ands, or buts. Would Daemon dislike the idea of the Velaryon boys coming before Aegon iii and Viserys ii? Yes. But I also believe he eventually got over it (for the most part) mainly because of Baela marrying Jacerys and Rhaena marrying Lucerys. I just don't believe he would ruin his blood going through the Iron throne AND Driftmark, hurt his daughters by killing the boys they loved, and hurt Rhaenyra, the woman he loved just to get his sons on the throne.

With Aegon and Viserys, it's the same thing. They never wanted the throne. They were never jealous of the Velaryon boys because they were so obviously not Targaryen and they still got the throne. They wanted and loved their family which included the Velaryon boys. Aegon was miserable and depressed by the end of the Dance because the majority of his family was dead. Obviously, I do not agree with them having to become kingsgaurd or maesters or taking the black to make sure the Velaryon boys are able to take the iron throne.

However, I do feel like Aegon wasn't being usurped of anything. Rhaenyra made it clear that Jace was her heir and if anything happened to him his full brothers Luke and Joffery would come after him. If anything happened to them, only then would aegon and viserys become heirs. That wasn't going to change just because she was finally able to marry Daemon and have children with him.

It doesn't mean Rhaenyra and Daemon loved Aegon and Viserys any less than the Velaryon boys.

I truly, truly do not get Aegon III and Viserys II fans that hate on the Velaryon boys and/or the Dragons Twins.

I expect to see bastardphobia and hateful anti-Jace/Luke/Joff takes from TG, because the story directly pits TG characters against Rhaenyra and her boys. I disagree with it, but I can understand where it originates from. But Aegon III and Viserys II are not in any way posed as their siblings’ enemies or rivals in F&B. Even if you argued that there would be conflict should Jace ascend the throne, it still isn’t present in the actual story. Quite the contrary, Aegon III was said to worship his three older half brothers, and clearly cares for and trusts his sisters as we see in his regency.

So what’s the deal? I’m genuinely asking here. If you love Aegon and Viserys, then why hate the family members that they loved and mourned? Why pit them unnecessarily against their own siblings? Why despise a 15 year boy who sacrificed his life trying to save his baby brother? What the hell did these boys or the twins ever do to wrong their younger half brothers? Where does any of this animosity come from???

I can only imagine it stems from feeling like the Velaryon boys and Dragon Twins somehow take something away from Aegon and Viserys. But that’s… profoundly stupid to say the least. What do they take away? Rhaenyra and Daemons love? Love isn’t a finite resource, Rhaenyra has plenty to go around, and if Daemon favors anyone it’s going to be his true born sons. Their status as heir? Aegon and Viserys end up on the throne anyway, how bizarre to beef with a dead 15 year old child for a scenario that never even came to be. It’s not as though Aegon and Viserys even wanted the throne in the first place— they just wanted their family, including their siblings, to be happy and whole.

Like I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing that hatred for the Velaryon boys could originate from love for Aegon and Viserys. It seems to me like these types of people are anti-Velaryon boys first, and Aegon and Viserys “fans” second. Perhaps toxic Daemyra stans who hate the fact that they had children with other people, or people who fell into the trend of cosplaying anti-bastard bigots and so prefer the “true born” alternative sons. It brings a distinctly Team Green(🤢) energy to the Aegon and Viserys tag that I hate, which imo fundamentally contradicts the spirit of their characters.