#toxic hotd stans

[stelliumh3arts]

Attention...the toxicity of the hotd fandom is so concerning. I'm being inboxed and called a hypocrite based on my past opinions of the show. First and foremost people are aloud to like and dislike certain characters or grow to like them. It's just a show first and foremost and has no ties to real life history so please stfu.

[unicoo]

Viserys neglecting his children is OKAY, but Aegon & Alicent doing it ISNT OKAY?…

Rhaenyra sleeping with a man who isn’t her husband AND having said man’s children is OKAY, but Alicent sleeping with Criston AFTER Viserys DIES ISNT OKAY?….

Rhaenyra & Daemon hooking up at Laena’s funeral is OKAY, but Aemond claiming Vhagar at Laena’s funeral ISNT OKAY?…..

Jace possibly cheating on Baela with Sara or Cregan is OKAY, but Aegon stepping out on Helaena ISNT OKAY?……

Daemon planning & plotting against literally ANYONE is OKAY, but Alicent, Criston, Otto, & Aemond plotting & planning ISNT OKAY?…….

Rhaenyra defending her sons & demanding Aemond be sharply questioned is OKAY, but Alicent wanting Justice for her son & an eye for an eye ISNT OKAY?……..

Baela & Rhaena being passed over for their BIRTHRIGHT is OKAY, but when it’s Rhaenyra who’s cheated out of her “birthright” it ISNT OKAY?………

Rhaenyra acts entitled & spoiled it’s OKAY, but let the Green kids act entitled & spoiled it ISNT OKAY?……….

Daemon pays to take young girls maidenhoods (most of them brothel workers who were TEENAGERS) it’s OKAY, but Aegon does it and it ISNT OKAY?………..

Daemon orders the death of a child & it’s OKAY, it’s JUSTIFIED, but Aemond takes RIGHTFUL REVENGE against a boy OLD ENOUGH TO FIGHT BACK and it ISNT OKAY?…………(idgaf what you say if someone bullied you then jumped you then took your eye & got away with it YOU’D BE PISSEED TO LIE & SAY YOU WOULDNT 😐)

Rhaenyra having “bastards” is OKAY, but Aegon & Aemond having bastards ISNT OKAY?………….

Daemon can allow for women & children to be hurt in all ways imaginable that’s OKAY, but Aemond taking ONE woman as a spoiled of war ISNT OKAY?……….…. (If Alys wanted to she could’ve ended up in various different positions yk being a WITCH & all)

Rhaenyra can lose nearly all her children & get compassion that’s OKAY, but giving Aegon & Helaena compassion over their son dying when he literally DIDNT DO SHIT ISNT OKAY??…………...

Visenya dies, being sad about that is OKAY, but being sad about Jaehaera’s death ISNT OKAY?………….…

Rhaenyra being a shit to children is OKAY, but Alicent being a shit to children ISNT OKAY?……….…….

Luke & Jace bullying Aemond is OKAY because they were younger, but AEGON bullying Aemond ISNT OKAY, because…?………………………….…

Because y’all are hypocrites! The whole point of this post is to showcase just how hypocritical the toxic fans (mostly team black) are. Rhaenyra & her side do it, all is fine & it doesn’t matter. Aegon & his side do it and there’s an uproar, they’re evil & deserve horribleness. Give me a fucking break honestly 🙄

If you see this tragedy and decide to make it worse by picking sides or not giving empathy, sympathy, & understanding to both sides then you need to grow tf up, mature A LOT, then look at the media again because somewhere along the way you missed the importance of this story and OUR WORLD is shitter for that!

[alicentsaegon]

Biblically accurate non defanged Alicent Hightower and Rhaenyra Targaryen btw

[theweirwoodfiles]

HOTD Fandom Behavior

This is going to be a little long winded but this has been on my mind for awhile.

Why does it seem like it's only team black that gets put in the hot seat for fan behavior? I understand that team black makes up the majority of the fandom, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't address the rampant misogyny that has been present in the team green fandom since day one that has gone unchecked. The show amplified the voices of misogynists who feel drawn to the story of the dance because they enjoy Rhaenyra's suffering and tragedy. Not to mention the other, actual fans, who still just hate her for whatever reason and can't do so without being misogynistic just helping normalize that kind of behavior.

And I'm not talking about "well I just like Aegon more than Rhaenyra", but the fixation on Rhaenyra's sex life and weight, the ai slop photos or wojaks where she's a misogynistic caricature, the fact that there is genuinely a huge portion of team green fans that cannot admit to their dislike of Rhaenyra without falling into misogyny. Those people are not outliers, and they've made themselves very comfortable in that part of the fandom. They feel no shame and sometimes even get viral posts.

"I'm not team black because the fans ruined it for me" but the team green fans calling Rhaenyra a fat ho or saying she deserves everything she gets for daring to have sexual agency didn't turn you off from being team green?

[reignof-fyre]

I hate team green

Who i don't hate: Rhys Ifans, Olivia Cooke, Tom Glynn-Carney, Ewan Mitchell, Fabian Frankel, Phia Saban, or any other actor who plays a fictional character in team green, because I'm not INSANE

STOP bashing the actors who play loathsome characters. These people are not the bad people we see on screen. They have not committed the crimes Team Green have, nor do they deserve any hate for their BRILLIANT and PHENOMENAL performances in this show.

[vinnianlovesdinosaurs]

House of The Dragon Hot Take #15

I think it's HILARIOUS how you guys practically got manipulated by Otto Hightower through the screen 😭 Throughout the entire series we see that nothing he did was for the good of anyone but himself but he actively tries to make it seem like it's helping his "family." When he first said that Rhaenyra would have their siblings killed there was literally no reason for him to think that, he was just talking to talk and you guys genuinely believed him ☠ Rhaenyra had no intentions of killing, maiming, or severely injuring ANYBODY especially not her siblings so she could ascend the throne until The Greens drew first blood. You guys shit on Rhaenyra time and time again but she was inherently peaceful. You guys cannot tell me with a straight face you would not go batshit crazy in Rhaenyra's position because I know I would. Even on Driftmark, her anger was still very justified. Now that isn't me condoning what happened to Aemond, but Luke's nose got broken and Jace nearly got his head smacked in with a rock TWICE and then Alicent (A grown woman) tried to go after her 6 year old son with a knife (and if you pay attention to the way the knife was angled it not only would have taken his eye but killed him as well. DETAILS PEOPLE DETAILS !!) And for the people also trying to justify Aemond killing Luke because 6 year old Luke "bullied" him by saying that Luke is seventeen. Luke isn't seventeen. In the show Rhaenyra literally says he is fourteen. Aemond is believed to be between 17 and 20. As much as I love Alicent and Aemond as characters they aren't saints like so many of you try to say they are. Aemond is canonically a psychopath who quite literally cares about his ambitions, revenge, and power. I have said this time and time again. Rhaenyra's anger is justified.

[ladyadaine]

Daemyra fans need to think back on their life choices. You people are mad because the relationship between uncle and niece is being portrayed as being toxic and problematic, as it should be

[soulsuckker1]

Now that I’m rereading fire and blood again, Alicent is kinda growing on me……

[sukibenders]

Something that still doesn't sit right with me while being a part of the HOTD fandom is how Laena was done so dirty, from being placed as a "second" option for Daemon and having him keep her from returning home, from having her daughters see Driftmark, from seeing her own brother and parents before she died! That added on to the fact of how Daemon just sucked at loving her the way she deserved makes my blood boil. And to make matters worse, to drive the knife further, is during her funeral (added on to him laughing during it, which wasn't appropriate at all no matter the context or what anyone says) where she and her unborn son were only just recently placed at the bottom of the sea, Daemon and Rhaenyra sleep together and then marry each other all within the span of the same episode (don't even get me started on how they went heavy into the romantics of the moment but couldn't even bother to show Daemon be affection with Laena like he was in the books I believe).

And some in the fandom reaction to all this can be such a turn off. Because you can have people, mainly black fans, rightfully call out problems with this plot change, with Rhaenyra and Daemon sleeping together only right after Laena's funeral and will be met with so many heinous responses (a lot in which tie in with centering Rhaenyra and going "oh so you hate her" type beat) and it's so frustrating. That, and how we barely see Daemon interact with his daughters, let alone be affectionate as well as protective over them---that scene where the girls are bruised from a fight and clear in distress and yet Daemon doesn't even move to check on them nor go into a rage at the fact that his daughters were harmed, let alone the fact that his now dead wife's dragon was claimed by another on the day of her funeral. None of that. But will stand protectively by Rhaenyra and her sons' side without second thought. Make it make sense.

[targwh0re]

I literally just got hated on for an old post where I was pointing out that Rhaenyra in this scene:

Was so smart for using this as a political move. I had previously stated that Alicent did not force Rhaenyra to bring her the child directly after birth, and instead had only requested the baby. Rhaenyra, as a mother refused to be parted from her newborn baby, and instead of taking the back passages that we know she is aware of decides to take the way most out in the open. She is showing people “look at what the queen is forcing me to do” to garner sympathy for possible future allies.

She is a mother refusing to have her child taken from her, and at the same time a political genius for the future events that take place.

The man who asks if she is okay and offers her a favor (I could be wrong about this) but isn’t he the one who pretend to submit to the greens but then tries to run to tell Rhaenyra and we later see him hanging?!?

Instead of trying to see my perspective or politely disagreeing with me and explaining to me you’re perspective I got nothing but hate from people whom I don’t thing even read the full post.

This stuff really makes me want to leave the fandom entirely sometimes. We all like the same FICTIONAL tv show. We can have differing opinions. I for one love to read all the differing perspectives, ideas, and theories. Plz stop ruining it by just being an asshole❤️

[unicoo]

The fact that there are people out there saying GRRM should shut up about HIS opinion on HIS story, when they always seem to give us their opinions even though we never asked is INFUCKINGSANE!! 💀

First y’all try arguing with the man who CREATED this work of FICTION. Trying to make him wrong about HIS OWN SHIT because YOU can’t handle being wrong or not having your OPINION be right & embraced by the masses is mental 😭

Now y’all are saying my guy George should just stfu & keep his opinion to himself……. Babe I’m going to hold your hand when I said this, take your own advice -We the people would greatly appreciate it ��

Also to say he was “unprofessional” when he really wasn’t is the most diabolical way to dick ride Ryan & Sara (who treat us like fucking idiots, let’s be real their writing is so bad & some y’all just eat it up with no complaints like the simpletons they think we are🫤) GRRM could’ve talked shit before the season came out or as it was coming out, that would be unprofessional. Instead he waited till the season was over & it marinated with us all, him included, before stating his thoughts. Y’all love to share y’all thoughts but hate whenever somebody who thinks differently than you says something…..🤨

Another thing PLEASE stop fucking saying he needs to go write the next books, or that he’s doing everything but writing the next books. He doesn’t owe y’all shit, especially after seeing the way y’all are acting right now at this very moment. Just a bunch of ungrateful miserable assholes who love spreading hate onto others 🤦‍♀️ If that man decides to never release those books it HIS RIGHT!!! Being an author and writer is not easy. Writing a book is not easy!! If you think it is, then how about you go & do it 🤔

Go on, wander over to a computer and write a best selling SERIES.

[perkeleen-lavellan]

I have to say, from my brief foray into the HOTD fandom I can only say, you're all equally toxic and ruin the internet experiences of your own favourite ships by constantly bringing fandom drama into the tags. I have been in some real questionable hot mess fandoms over the years, but considering the newness of the show you guys did in a year what took the whole ass Dragon Age video game series at least 5 to really get going. Congratulations.

[cl0ud-ninex]

This is going to be a rant so bare with me plz.

The hate is honestly crazy to me because this is behavior I would expect from team green stans not 'team black'. It's one thing to hate how the Velaryon boys exist just to make Rhaenyra look 'incompetent' or not capable, it's another thing to hate them and come up with theories about how Daemon/Aegon iii/Viserys ii would somehow kill all three Velaryon boys and take the throne for themselves.

I'll admit it's been a while since I've read fire and blood, but I don't remember Daemon and his sons being so power hungry that they would kill the Velaryon boys and hurt Rhaenyra and the dragon twins. Rhaenyra loved Aegon and Viserys, but the Velaryon boys were still her sons as well. If losing them because of the Greens and their entitlement hurt her as deep as it did, losing them because of Daemon and her younger sons Aegon and Viserys (three people she loved 10000x more than she ever loved any of the greens) would've destroyed her.

Was Daemon a man of his time? Yes. Did Daemon favor his blood sons over the Velaryon boys? Definitely. No ifs, ands, or buts. Would Daemon dislike the idea of the Velaryon boys coming before Aegon iii and Viserys ii? Yes. But I also believe he eventually got over it (for the most part) mainly because of Baela marrying Jacerys and Rhaena marrying Lucerys. I just don't believe he would ruin his blood going through the Iron throne AND Driftmark, hurt his daughters by killing the boys they loved, and hurt Rhaenyra, the woman he loved just to get his sons on the throne.

With Aegon and Viserys, it's the same thing. They never wanted the throne. They were never jealous of the Velaryon boys because they were so obviously not Targaryen and they still got the throne. They wanted and loved their family which included the Velaryon boys. Aegon was miserable and depressed by the end of the Dance because the majority of his family was dead. Obviously, I do not agree with them having to become kingsgaurd or maesters or taking the black to make sure the Velaryon boys are able to take the iron throne.

However, I do feel like Aegon wasn't being usurped of anything. Rhaenyra made it clear that Jace was her heir and if anything happened to him his full brothers Luke and Joffery would come after him. If anything happened to them, only then would aegon and viserys become heirs. That wasn't going to change just because she was finally able to marry Daemon and have children with him.

It doesn't mean Rhaenyra and Daemon loved Aegon and Viserys any less than the Velaryon boys.

I truly, truly do not get Aegon III and Viserys II fans that hate on the Velaryon boys and/or the Dragons Twins.

I expect to see bastardphobia and hateful anti-Jace/Luke/Joff takes from TG, because the story directly pits TG characters against Rhaenyra and her boys. I disagree with it, but I can understand where it originates from. But Aegon III and Viserys II are not in any way posed as their siblings’ enemies or rivals in F&B. Even if you argued that there would be conflict should Jace ascend the throne, it still isn’t present in the actual story. Quite the contrary, Aegon III was said to worship his three older half brothers, and clearly cares for and trusts his sisters as we see in his regency.

So what’s the deal? I’m genuinely asking here. If you love Aegon and Viserys, then why hate the family members that they loved and mourned? Why pit them unnecessarily against their own siblings? Why despise a 15 year boy who sacrificed his life trying to save his baby brother? What the hell did these boys or the twins ever do to wrong their younger half brothers? Where does any of this animosity come from???

I can only imagine it stems from feeling like the Velaryon boys and Dragon Twins somehow take something away from Aegon and Viserys. But that’s… profoundly stupid to say the least. What do they take away? Rhaenyra and Daemons love? Love isn’t a finite resource, Rhaenyra has plenty to go around, and if Daemon favors anyone it’s going to be his true born sons. Their status as heir? Aegon and Viserys end up on the throne anyway, how bizarre to beef with a dead 15 year old child for a scenario that never even came to be. It’s not as though Aegon and Viserys even wanted the throne in the first place— they just wanted their family, including their siblings, to be happy and whole.

Like I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing that hatred for the Velaryon boys could originate from love for Aegon and Viserys. It seems to me like these types of people are anti-Velaryon boys first, and Aegon and Viserys “fans” second. Perhaps toxic Daemyra stans who hate the fact that they had children with other people, or people who fell into the trend of cosplaying anti-bastard bigots and so prefer the “true born” alternative sons. It brings a distinctly Team Green(🤢) energy to the Aegon and Viserys tag that I hate, which imo fundamentally contradicts the spirit of their characters.

[queenvhagar]

Did you see George’s blog post? I’m glad he’s speaking out against it. He sold the rights to his book just for Ryan to insult him and think he could do it better

I love that he's speaking the truth! He SHOULD be shutting down the "Green propaganda" bullshit and calling out bad writing when he sees it!

My favorite tidbits:

"Queen Helaena, a sweet and gentle soul, is much beloved by the smallfolk of King's Landing. Rhaenyra was not..."

- directly calling out that dumbass riot plotline where the smallfolk adore Rhaenyra and Meleys for starving, terrorizing, and murdering them en masse and throw fish at Alicent and Helaena

- subtle shade at Rhaenyra not being called a queen in the histories

"And there are larger, more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for season 3 and 4..."

- saying if you keep making dumb changes that undermine the story, characters, and world you WILL have nothing but a meaningless empty mess

And he is 100% right that removing Maelor was a mistake that minimizes the story and the tragedy of the Greens (and he knows it's intentional that the writers actively try to diminish Team Green and prop up Team Black).

HOTD hardcore stans can cope. We do in fact have the authority on the actual story and confirmation from the author that HOTD is a lesser quality adaptation of a good story at this point because of its nonsensical changes.

[a0random0gal]

Okay fuck it I'm done.

Remember that little rant I had a while ago about Jaehaera? And how she was just a little girl that deserved so much better?

Well today I saw this

And now there's an even bigger rant incoming.

I'm just flabbergasted, I don't know what to say except are you really this petty?

This person on Twitter commissioned a wonderful portrait of Aegon III's family, which looks great, I really have nothing against the artist, he was just doing his job.

Buut, as that user says

"Note a certain Doll tossed aside on the left next to Aegon😏"

So yes, a team black stan was so mad at the mere suggestion that Daenaera would be cut from the ending of hotd that they commissioned a well known Asoiaf/f&b artist to draw Aegon's family with a little doll to remind us that Jaehaera is dead and thus no longer in the way.

I just have to say...

What is wrong with you? Seriously, I admit I've spent some money on hotd/asoiaf related things out of passion for the story, but I've never gotten to the point of commissioning art to spite people in the fandom that have an opinion I don't agree with.

Also, alright, you don't like the greens, that's fine! We all have our own tastes. But this? It's just sick. Wanting a fictional, traumatized 10 year old girl to be dead so badly you pay people to remind everyone that she's gone is on another level. Cause I firmly believe this was drawn only for that reason,not to actually show a wholesome family portrait.

I'm so done with these people. Do they ever go outside of their mom's basements? Have they ever touched grass? I don't think so, otherwise they'd spend their money for better things than celebrating a child's death.

This is the kind of team black person who will happily watch blood and Cheese happen and cheer when Jaehaeys is decapitated.

The sheer toxicity of this fandom is unbelievable. I genuinely haven't seen this amount of pettyness since the days before the aot ending.

Get a life, seriously.

P.s

I got this image from the r/hotdgreens sub on Reddit.

[unicoo]

Team Black stans will see the post is clearly TEAM GREEN, tagged and all, yet they’ll bring their bitter asses to the comments looking to start shit 🤦‍♀️

The line between hate & obsession is SOOO thin it almost doesn’t exist lmaooo 💀

(I also want to say, yes this can go both ways, but as of late I’ve seen it mostly from tb to tg, that’s just my experience tho….)