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Tomdaya Timeline, vol. 7
Links to vol. 1, vol. 2, vol. 3, vol. 4, vol. 5 and vol.6
January 5, 2025
Zendaya debuted a Jessica McCormack diamond engagement ring on her left ring finger at the Golden Globes. Bulgari confirmed it is not one of their rings. Tom's dad, Dom, confirmed TZ are engaged. link link2 link3
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Tom and Zendaya Timeline
January 2024
January 1 - Challengers trailer poster comes out.
January 3 - Zendaya’s New Year, New me
January ? - The Hollands play Golf
January 6 - Tom and Zendaya travel from London back to LA
January 8 - Tom spotted in LA with Jack
Tom spotted going out shopping later/earlier in the day.
January 10 -
Tom attends an LA comedy/charity (Snl Album Show) event.
Zendaya Spotted with Darnell in Los Angeles
January 11th - Tom out with Jack and Harry (And his 2 agents?)
January 12th - Tom is out with Harry in Los Angeles / Tom denies rumours about his breakup with Z after being approached by pap / Z spotted with Darnell in LA
Tom and Harry spotted at their regular pre/post-Dogpound restaurant having Matchas
January 14th - Tom at the Critics Choice Awards for The Crowded Room / Seen Talking with Billie Eilish, Bradley Cooper, Emily Blunt, Robert Downey Junior, Pedro Pascal, Tom Hiddleston and More.
Ariana Greenblatt talks about meeting Tom at 00:40
January 21st - Zendaya at Schiaparelli Show in Paris with her never-declining face card
January 23rd - Tom being Z's biggest fan page exhibit #968,573
January 25th - Zendaya being the people's princess at the Fendi Show in Paris
January 31st - Tom and Z were spotted at the nail salon.
#tom holland#zendaya#tomdaya#Timeline#Tomdaya timeline#January#Tz#The crowded room#critics choice awards#fendi fashion#schiaparelli#Instagram#Fashion#Style#Youtube
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Look at the Internet finally getting correct timelines 👏🏼😂😂😂
FINALLY!!!! 😅
It's about time! It only took like 7 years rofl 😅
(Maybe they read @spidermaninlove 's Tomdaya time-line lol 🤭)
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Unpopular opinion but I don’t mind Luke with Antonia. I mean he’s been with her for over a year. He obviously likes her and it was good to see him more at ease in a high stress public appearance, I think that’s because he had A there. I hope we can all learn to stop hating on her. She’s just a girl living her life with an actor on his way up to A list…… ofc I would prefer him with N but that’s just not where we are….
It’s not an unpopular opinion for the realistic ppl I don’t think.
let me explain before y’all jump down my comments.
it’s NOT what I prefer, I am a LUKOLA shipper, but I’m not gonna comment nasty things about any party involved on their ig profiles or my blog or whatever.
And the nervous-ness we see with the handhold and everything else, it’s probably just a response from massive ptsd of last June, etc. and not knowing how it would go.
they seemed fine inside the event.
Lukola still on the tomdaya timeline. Not worried.
****having this response is how you can ship respectfully and not be an embarrassment to the fandom. Good for you anon! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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FLOOOO, when is your “let’s troll the trolls” session coming? I know they are raging right now 😂🤭
i cant even find any, my entire twitter and ig timeline is just filled with viral tomdaya engagement celebrations
i would sift through my inbox and find all the "8 years and no ring" asks i've gotten over the last few months but i cant be bothered, look at the ROCK SHE GOT
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As one of the OG’s of this ship, I am still not over the gaslighting attempts of Tom and Z for all those years. Literally our ship was tiny back then compared to what Tomdaya fandom is now.
And still, majority of Tomdaya shippers today still believe T and Z’s lying words on not having dated before 2020, so they are also the ones who constantly go “aww, they are the epitome of best friends to lovers slow-burn”. When there was actually no fucking slow burn because Ms Z asked him out asap and couldn’t wait to get in his pants and their infatuation with each other was quick and mutual. So, yeah, this shit has been sailing since late 2016 but those who believe this are still a small number of people compared to the current large fandom.
I know at this point Tom and Z admitting they blatantly lied then is not something on their top to-do list , cause I am sure they do not mind it as much as we do, if most people think they didn’t date until 2020/2021. They probably like how it was sick they got to fool so many people and got away with dating under people’s noses. But it still freaking annoys me, and I hope one day they spill it in an interview, even if it happens ten years down the line, like in 2034 or something . I don’t care when. But I want my “told you so” moment to these idiots in the social media comments.
And every time under some random post, among shippers, you can see most are still either clueless about their actual timeline or foolishly believing TZ’s lies about them being “just friends” and believing TZ’s fake “confirmation” that they didn’t date then. And they are painting Tom as the poor simp who waited for Z on the sidelines while she went through the likes of Jacob until finally deciding to give Tom a chance. Awww, poor short king Tom finally got Z after six years of being friend-zoned and secretly pining after her and crying in his sleep. This is basically the gist of the scenario they believe in. 🙄🙄🙄
You hear me, Z and T, one day, one day I want to have that “I told you” moment towards all these people about Tomdaya V. 1.0. 😝😝😝😝😝
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I just want someone to give me context about Zendaya, Tom and Jacob. Tomdaya went around for a while before Jacobdaya which lasted a year and then they came back. Tomdaya were together after Jacob again until now.
tomdaya 1.0 (approximately 2016-2019)
tomdaya 1.0 breakup timeline/ jacobdaya (2019-2020)
tomdaya 2.0 (2021-current)
my tomdaya tag here, in chronological order here, spidermaninlove's breakup and jacobdaya lore here, tomdaya 2.0 timeline/lore here
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Hi! Im new to the who pazzi community and I was just wondering if there is some type of timeline floating around with their relationship? There is a detailed tomdaya one, does pazzi have something you know of?
Yes there is but i don’t remember who posted it😭😭 can anyone help anon
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okay while I do think they had a rough patch in their amicable split (that comes naturally tbh, they’re heartbroken teenagers!!!! being away from the one they love most for the first time in a long time), they definitely had some sorta attachment even tho they were broken up. enough for azzi (and paige sometimes) to be leaving flirty comments on TikToks (“I officially miss you come back 💗���), and don’t forget we also had azzi surprising paige on her birthday to say she’s committing! and we also got the little “after dinner was fun…😏😊🙃” moment from their slam interview. yeah something was definitely going on even then, and it wasn’t platonic. and whenever they reunited during those times I see the resolve breaking and them just, yk…not platonic.
I see little cracks starting appear a little after that, up until azzi gets to CT. interactions are more mellow, p was seen with other girls etc. what happened in my opinion too, is that azzi comes to uconn they try their best to stay “best friends” and fail. I mean paige’s longing in the slam interview actually makes me tear up, azzi seemed more reserved but if you look close enough princess was yearning too. they just wanted (needed) each other so bad. they definitely had a few weak moments and got with each other during this time. now we’ve heard azzi was in a very lose relationship/situationship with someone else from late ‘21 to early spring ‘22. p was not seen with other girls during this time/since azzi got to school, even. she never really was with anyone in the first place, just multiple hookups with one girl at the most, so pleaseeeee drop the player p allegations, my girl went through a phase when her heart was broken but she has been so in love with her azzi since she was 15 :(
anywho, azzi ends her super casual relationship around march ‘22, and that’s when p&a start their exclusive/only seeing each other situationship. now there’s debates as to when they officially start being girlfriends again, and I see all these of the most popular opinions tbh: around P’s injury, early 2023, or mid-late 2023. but anon on another blog said something along the lines of they might as well have been officially dating regardless. whatever theory you believe, they have only been with each other and LOCKED IN since early spring of ‘22, so what they called themselves doesn’t really matter at all if you think about it. now I feel they’re way more open, private but not a secret/iykyk kinda thing. they, nor their friends/family/teammates are hiding it at all. they’re not rubbing it in everyone’s faces either. which is why they remind me SO MUCH of tomdaya. those two dated 2016- mid 2019, broke up and got back together around august of 2020 (so pazzi I coded ijbol). they resolved the issues of their relationship/the problems they had hiding it and took a much more mature approach the second time around. look at them now ENGAGED GONNA BE MARRIED!!!! which is what we’re seeing with paige and azzi now, they’re so much more relaxed and open, and I assume this will only grow once p gets drafted. they’re not gonna be making out in everyone’s faces, posting each other constantly? but like tom and z, they will let it be known they love each other. cute public appearances and posts every now and again.
holy shit this is long, but in conclusion they’re both so in love with each other and have been since they were in their sophomore and junior years of hs and it makes me so emotional pass me a napkin I need to wipe my tears :(
p.s - I’ll try to compose this into a little timeline in another post so it’s easier to decipher! sorry for the long ass read lmao
oh i've always thought this. there was definitely a dependency there even though they tried to act nonchalant as hell. especially paige. from what she was doing with her playlists and how she was on social media, she was struggling bad with being without azzi. possibly from being with her for so long or just having a soul tie. like she was tied to a and it was painful to be apart from her. same thing with az. your timeline is chefs kiss. it's exactly how i feel. the slipping up WAS DEF a big thing that was happening with them. i mean they're soulmates. you tell me if your soulmate was at school with you, around you all the time, and you already had a confusing, strained relationship you wouldn't want to jump their bones all the time? well it's the same with pazzi to me. just them going to school together definitely opened a lot of wounds and made the emotion turn to intimacy. it could also be a lot of angsty, angry energy around them. having soul ties to your situationship is just something else. poor paige and azzi. also, they were very love very young. that's a different type of feeling. especially if they're your first everything. i think there was a lot of emotions and feelings surrounding that aspect of whatever weird ish they had going on. the tomdaya similarities to pazzi just scratches my brain absolutely so good. i was a huge tomdaya stan and watching them progress over the last few years has been so surreal. i see pazzi doing the exact thing. private but not a secret but like locked the fuck in and married. they truly are so lucky. they've loved each other for almost 8 years. finding your soulmate at 15 years old is sooooo romantic novel coded. like i'm about to make a book about them because they are truly the perfect story.
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I still think that there was some miscommunication during the start of their breakup in 2019 with Tom thinking that it was permanent and Z thinking it was just hiccup. Tom and Z talk about Tom being impulsive and dramatic and she may have thought he was just in one of his moods and would get over it. Zs people were following Harry, Sam and Haz after the FFH premiere. Claire followed Harry on July 16! That's not something done after a fresh breakup from a long term relationship. And then July 17 came and Z finally understood that it was just not a hiccup. That's when we saw her stuck at her home with friends staying over, her wearing the MJ sweater, playing the Spidey game. That's also when we get Darnell's then bf unfollowing Tom. And we have Tom himself saying that his heart was broken and that it was his fault and that his superpower is apologizing
Hmm.... 🤔
Idk if I would put TOO much weight into the fact that their people didn't immediately unfollow each other, because there are tons of celebs now that I know of that still follow their exes, and still follow even their exes family members and their family members still follow their exes family.
People put way too much emphasis on social media imo.
Claire could have followed Harry because maybe they had already really nice conversation at the premiere, or it was her first time really getting to know him and he's a nice guy?
Not every breakup is full of death and destruction rofl. 😂🤣 JMHO!!!
I think we all agree that it was Tom who broke things off. So yea, maybe he meant it to be permanent (hence, him getting spotted with Olivia), and maybe Z didn't really think it was permanent.
I always say that breakups aren't usually black and white. He was still going to set with her on euphoria, remember? That was the last sighting before he left on the plane to go back to London.
They could have been having issues and then broke up, or, they could have broken up quietly around April/May (like Tomdaya Lore states), but being around each other during the FFH press tour brought up unresolved feelings, yet still wanted to be friends for the sake of the press tour, but they ended up just giving up completely before Tom flew back home.
I think he flew to Japan or smthg first (right?) for press, and then flew to London, and then that's when we saw him and Olivia. I'll have to look at the timeline again to make sure I gave the facts straight lol but yea. 😅
I don't think breakups are ever cut and dry, especially when you've been dating someone for over a year. I think there are a lot of nuances there sometimes, especially if there was a deep love and friendship there.
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what timeline are we living in fr
are we..... are we about to witness tomdaya 4.0 😱
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Guys help me !! Husband is trying to compare the Tomdaya 1.0 timeline with Nicola and Luke. The hate coming up on insta because Luke has a girlfriend. Staying in my safe space today. Lols xx
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I'm currently reading tomdaya timeline again😭 I got into that shit again and I don't know how to get out of it 😅
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Tomdaya Timeline vol. 6
Links to vol. 1, vol. 2, vol. 3, vol. 4, and vol. 5
London
July 2023
TZ spotted having lunch in Wimbledon. link
July 9, 2023
Tom and Z at The Brothers Trust Event
Brothers Trust Uncharted Screening
Z attended the Brothers Trust Uncharted screening with Tom. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7
The Brothers Trust Instagram account included Z in their event stories link link2, and the event recap video they posted features both Tom and Z. link3
While at the Brothers Trust Uncharted screening, Tom changed from a blue t-shirt into a black Brothers Trust shirt, and during the event, Z was photgraphed holding the blue shirt Tom was no longer wearing. link
Chiltern Firehouse
TZ arriving at Chiltern Firehouse. link After dinner, Tom waited with Z while she took pics with fans outside the restaurant. link2 link3 link4 link5
July 11, 2023
TZ spotted in Richmond (near Kingston). link
During the Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers podcast that aired today, Tom talked about the time Z cut her finger while making him dinner in NY and needed stitches. link When asked if he could go on a vacation with any family other than his own, he named Z’s fam. He also mentioned recently golfing with Z. link2
July 14, 2023
TZ photographed eating in Richmond. link
July 20, 2023
TZ spotted furniture shopping. link link2
Tomdaya date night including dinner link and a musical link2 link3.
Portugal
July 2023
Z in Portugal on holiday/vacation with Tom and his family. link link2
LA
August 2023
Tom with Noon and a tot at Z’s house in Northridge.
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August 22, 2023
Tom with Z at a salon in LA. link
August 23, 2023
Tom and Z were photographed at Target along with Z’s mom, Claire. link link2
Oakland
TZ were in Oakland August 25-26, 2023. link
August 25, 2023
Zendaya and Tom at West Oakland Middle School. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7 link8 link9 link10
Z posted Tom to her story. link
August 26, 2023
Zendaya and Tom at Lowell Park in Oakland
TZ at Zendaya All-Stars basketball game in Oakland. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7 link8 link9 link10 link11 link12 link13 link14 link15 link16 link17 link18 link19 link20 link21
September 1, 2023
Tom posted a photo of Z to his Instagram story, captioned, “My birthday girl 😍” link and another photo of his three loves, Z, Tessa, and Noon, captioned with “😍😍😍″. link2
LA
September 4, 2023
Zendaya and Tom at the third night (Beyonce’s birthday) of Beyonce’s Renaissance Tour in LA. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6
Z serenading Tom to Love on Top. link7 link8
September 5, 2023
Vogue dubbed TZ “Hollywood royalty”. link
Paris
October 1, 2023
Tom with Z in Paris. link link2 link3
October 2, 2023
Tom and Z at Bvlgari Hotel in Paris. link link2
October 3, 2023
TZ at the Van Gogh exhibit at the Musée d'Orsay in Paris. link link2 link3
Zendaya and Tom went to Féerie in Moulin Rouge. link
October 4, 2023
Tom and Z at the Place Vendôme in Paris. link
London
October 5, 2023
TZ with their moms at Battersea Dogs & Cats Home. link
October 6, 2023
Tom and Z “...walking through a park with two bodyguards in west London when they couldn't keep their hands off each other, with Zendaya draping her arm over her boyfriend. Tom kept kissing her hand as they walked along." link link2
TZ at Petersham Nurseries, a local Michelin Green Star restaurant. link link2
LA
October 2023
Tom in LA at a restaurant with Z. link
Tom and Z signed Spider-man posters for The Brothers Trust.
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Oakland/LA
October 20, 2023
TZ photographed at the Oakland and Burbank airports. link
LA
October 23, 2023
“Hollywood’s cutest couple” papped shopping at Erewhon Market in LA. link link2 link3
Las Vegas
November 5, 2023
Tom and Z in Las Vegas. link
California
November 12, 2023
TZ spotted in Lemoore, CA.
November 24, 2023
Tom and Z spotted in Sacramento and Vacaville, California. link
November 25, 2023
According to Claire, Z is in LA. Note: Claire had Noon from November 23-25.
Bay Area
December 6, 2023
TZ spotted at Target in the San Francisco Bay Area. link
December 7, 2023
Tom and Z spotted in San Francisco. link
London
December 13, 2023
Tom and Z visited the Royal Marsden Hospital in London. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7 link8 link9 link10
December 19, 2023
Tom and Z were photographed shopping in London. link
December 20, 2023
TZ were spotted shopping again today -- ‘tis the season. link
December 21, 2023
TZ with the Hollands at The Little Big Things musical. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6
LA
January 14, 2024
During an interview at the Critics Choice Awards, Tom mentioned that he and Z will occasionally watch “Spider-man 1″ (Spider-man: Homecoming) to reminisce. link
January 23, 2024
Tom posted a photo of Z in Paris to his story. He also reposted and captioned a video of Z featuring lyrics from Cupid’s Chokehold with “This was made for me 😂” hence, confirming Z is his girlfriend. link link2
London
February 14, 2024
TZ spent Valentine’s Day with Tom’s family celebrating the twins’ birthday at a pub. link
February 15, 2024
Tom at the Dune 2 red carpet premiere in London. link link2 link3 link4 link5
Tom and Z arriving at the Dune 2 after-party. link link2
TZ leaving the Dune 2 after party together. link
TZ were both styled in black fits for the event, with Tom dressed in Louis Vuitton, his ambassador girlfriend’s brand. link
February 21, 2024
Tom posted the second Challengers trailer to his Instagram story. link
February 2024
Z said Tom has beautiful charisma and that “it works for me”. link
Z said, "I think the more I'm around British people and they're my family now..." link
When asked if she could bring back one thing from the UK, Z said her boyfriend. link
California
March 17, 2024
TZ at the Indian Wells Open in California. link link2 link3 link4 link5
Indian Wells Open
London
April 10, 2024
Tom at Z’s Challengers premiere in London. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7
April 11, 2024
Tom and Z papped together in London. link
April 19, 2024
Law once again confirmed tomdaya 1.0. link
May 10, 2024
TZ photographed holding hands in London. link
May 23, 2024
Z arriving at the opening night performance of Tom’s Romeo & Juliet on the West End. link TZ departed the theater together. link2 link3 link4 link5
Z took photos of Tom waving to the crowd from inside their ride. link
TZ attended the Romeo & Juliet after-party. link
May 29, 2024
TZ papped out and about in London. link
June 5, 2024
Tom and Z photographed with a fan at the mall in Kingston. link
June 6, 2024
Zendaya waiting for Tom after his PM Romeo & Juliet performance. link link2
June 7, 2024
Z attended Tom’s Romeo & Juliet play tonight. They exited the theater together holding hands. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6 link7
June 13, 2024
Zendaya exited the stage door tonight with Tom. link link2
June 22, 2024
Romeo and Noon at the Duke of York’s Theatre today. link link2 link3
June 23, 2024
Noon with Tom again tonight at the Duke of York’s Theatre. link link2
June 28, 2024
Tom walked Noon, sans Zendaya, in Richmond Park. link
July 1, 2024
Noon once again at the theater with Tom. link link2 link3
July 13, 2024
Z with Nikki and Claire at Wimbledon. link
July 19, 2024
Z attended another one of Tom’s Romeo & Juliet performances. link
July 21, 2024
Tom and Z spotted out and about in Wimbledon. link
July 27, 2024
Tom was papped walking TZ’s new protection pup, Daphne. link
July 31, 2024
TZ spotted dining out and kissing in London near the Duke of York’s Theatre. link link2 link3
August 3, 2024
Zendaya arrived at the Duke of York’s Theatre with a bouquet of roses for Tom’s final Romeo & Juliet performance on the West End. link link2 link3
August 4, 2024
Tom and Z spotted walking their dogs in Richmond Park. link
Hotel Castello di Reschio, Umbria Italy (Vacation)
August 6-20, 2024
Tom and Z vacationed at the Hotel Castello di Reschio in Umbria Italy. link link2
Perugia Italy
August 12, 2024
Tom and Z photographed at the National Gallery in Perugia Italy. link
August 14, 2024
Z and Tom spotted again in Perugia Italy. link
August 19, 2024
Another Tom and Z sighting in Perugia. link
August 20, 2024
Tom and Z spotted at the airport in Perugia. link
London
August 22, 2024
Z and Tom in Kingston. link
Scotland
August 26-27, 2024
TZ spotted dining at Gleneagles restaurants in Scotland. link link2
August 28, 2024
Tom and Z photographed at Glasgow Airport in Scotland link and spotted holding hands. link2
California
August 30-31, 2024
Zendaya and Tom photographed in LA at the airport and shopping in Calabasas. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6
September 1, 2024
TZ were spotted in Berkeley getting frozen yogurt and in San Francisco. link link2
London
September 7, 2024
TZ at the musical, The Baker’s Wife, at Menier Chocolate Factory in London. link link2 link3 link4 link5 link6
September 8, 2024
Tom and Z spotted in Surbiton. link
Cornwall
September 9-13, 2024, Holland Family Vacation
September 10, 2024
TZ spotted at a supermarket, having breakfast at a small cafe, and on CCTV while on vacation in Cornwall. link link2 link3 link4 link5
September 11, 2024
Tom and Zendaya at the beach in Cornwall. link link2
September 13, 2024
Dom Holland blogged about the Holland family holiday in St. Austell in Cornwall England. link
Tiburon (Bay Area), California
October 5, 2024
TZ spotted having lunch with a group of people in Tiburon, CA. link link2
October 16, 2024
Tom launched BERO today and one of his three brews is named after his and Z’s dog, Noon.
October 17, 2024
During a podcast with Rich Roll, Tom mentioned Z and Noon several times: 1) Taking Noon to a meeting with Tom Rothman link, 2) one of his Bero brews is named after his “little dog” (Noon) link2, 3) Z’s kind comments regarding Tom’s TCR hair link3, 4) doing handiwork around Z’s house link4, 5) reading a draft Spider-man 4 script with Z link5, and 6) agreeing to do Romeo & Juliet without discussing it with Z link6.
October 19, 2024
Tom and BERO posted for Noon’s birthday on Instagram, calling him "My birthday boy" and "Tom's furry child," respectively. link
New York
October 24, 2024
Zendaya in New York with Tom at the official BERO launch party. link link3 link4 link5 link6 Tom rescued Z from autographers when they returned to their hotel tonight. link2
BERO launch party, Nine Orchard Hotel, New York
Massachusetts
Boston
TZ at Trident Bookstore in Boston. link
October 31, 2024
Tom spotted in Boston. Z is in the area filming The Drama.
November 2024
Tom and Z walking Noon while sharing airpods in Boston. link link2 link3 link4
TZ stopped for hot chocolate. link link2 Tom was carrying Z’s phone in his pocket. link3
November 2, 2024
TZ spotted in Boston. link link2 link3 link4
November 7, 2024
Tomdaya out and about in Boston with Noon link link5, and at a bookstore. link2 They were spotted together again tonight. link3 link4
November 8, 2024
Both Tom and Z have been cast in Christopher Nolan’s next movie which will begin filming early next year.
November 9, 2024
TZ photographed at a cafe today in Boston. link
November 10, 2024
An autumn walk in Boston. link
November 13, 2024
During an interview with Vanity Fair, Z discussed working with Tom and Noon’s love for Tom. link
November 24, 2024
TZ out in Boston for BERO at the Foxhole bar. link
November 27, 2024
Z and Tom with Claire and Noon in Boston. link Tom and Z got matching tattoos on their ribcages. link2 Tom got a “z” and Z got a “t”. They wanted to make sure they were the same size. link3
Z’s “t” tattoo
Salem
November 29, 2024
TZ with Claire in Salem, Massachusetts. link link4 While there, they stopped at the Kakawa Chocolate House link2 and had their aura photo taken at HausWitch. link3
Boston
November 30, 2024
TZ spotted with Noon and Claire in Boston. link
California
Los Angeles
December 17, 2024
Zendaya and Tom were spotted with Noon shopping at Topanga mall. link link2 link3 link4
Bay Area
January 1, 2025
TZ spotted having brunch in Tiburon, CA. link
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Us: Tom and zendaya are seen when they want to be seen. No way they have just been hiding and not seen.
Tomdayas: no no way. People just give them privacy.
Tom and zendaya: pictured immediately when seen together.
I refuse to believe they don’t know this by now but have to lie for their timeline and storyline sake
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