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Episode 598: I thought you might be looking for Adam
Occult expert Timothy Eliot Stokes is searching the room in the long-deserted west wing of the great house of Collinwood where heiress Carolyn has been hiding Frankenstein’s monster Adam since #539 in July. Strange and troubled boy David Collins saunters into the room and greets him with a casual “Hello, professor.” When a flustered Stokes makes up a story about Carolyn sending him to the room to…
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#dark shadows#dark shadows before i die#david collins#david henesy#iconography#John Karlen#kathryn leigh scott#maggie evans#retcons#ron sproat#thayer david#tomb of the collinses#what did Carolyn know and when did she stop knowing it#willie loomis
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(via @dying-suffering-french-stalkers)
"gone, I'm gone," hadestown. r/v/b au ft. @tortoisesshells.
#REVERB .....#but OUGH THE OPEN WOUNDS ARE BLEEDING INTO THE PRESENT.#even if they could be closed up and healed permanently (they really can't) the present players on the stage will always rip them open again#AND i'm chewing glass always and especially about the ways r/v/b forms the image of r/l/b and j/b/j#with laura ... beyond a contest of wants; of affection; who she chooses is *intimately* entwined with the tilt of justice in the same way#that vicki's loyalties are tested between burke and roger (this time – burke has the advantage of the money; the power; the wedding band)#but it still comes down to similar moral poles – speak for burke; for the wrong done to him; or silence for roger:#an allegiance to Collinsness as much as it is (more than it is) to him personally.#j/b/j is something else; and particularly as ... well. not the story as it plays out in 1795 to me so much as the story told to us before.#the conqueror‚ the businessman – with his little outsider wife who becomes so thoroughly Collins despite not being born as one.#the vampiric figure who wants most of all what he can't have; who will chase after the image of beauty and life but can offer#her nothing but the tomb.#also something to be said about how josette and laura both meet such violent ends (''ends'' in laura's case)#wrap vicki up in some bubble wrap or something. install seatbelts in the car. i'm worried abt her.#➤ roger collins & victoria winters & burke devlin. ┊ to know how it ends‚ and still begin to sing it again.
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VAMP ROGER AU QUESTION! how would he and barnabas interact together (if they ever interact)? :3 💜
tagging @tortoisesshells because she's my co-conspirator <3
excellent question! this family and their sharp-toothed men will be the death of ... well, several community members of Collinsport, i suppose.
to start — Barnabas gets out of the box slightly differently than in canon, which colors his relationship to Roger and the rest of the household. Roger kills Willie after his attempted assault on Carolyn and Vicki (who is, by that point, his wife); Willie's mysterious disappearance and Roger's suspected involvement makes Jason that much more panicked, desperate, and correspondingly aggressive. Liz goes searching for the lost family jewels in a last-ditch attempt to buy Jason off, and, inadvertently, lets their ancient family sin out of the tomb.
ergo she's made Barnabas' thrall instead of Willie, but this goes unnoticed for a while — even though her brother would, in theory, recognize the signs, and his suspicions are raised, but she's already acting so much unlike herself with Jason around that he doesn't suspect anyone else of doing her harm. yet.
at the start, he and Barnabas get along very well, even before they discover their shared affliction: they're both relatively sophisticated, well-traveled, intelligent people, and for all that Roger decries Liz's emphasis on the Collins name, he leans towards familial connections instinctively (Roger hasn't got much in the way of friends outside of the house even in canon, and he's even more isolated as a vampire).
after he finds out Barnabas is also a vampire, things get a little more complicated, but overall, they're still friendly. Roger doesn't have much sympathy for Barnabas' relentless self-pity and decrying his doomed fate to live as a monster, because Roger on the whole enjoys his vampirism and has made a decent un-life for himself out of it (thanks in no small part to Vicki). but having someone like him around is a comfort in ways he wouldn't have expected, he's no longer solitary or uniquely monstrous out of the Collins family, he has someone else around through the night, and someone who understands the sufferings of bloodthirst and being shut out of the sun.
furthermore, Roger's very much interested in his family history and stories of the past, the building of Collinwood, Jeremiah's ships – and Barnabas was there. there's potential for some very interesting conversations about the past, and the arc of the Collins family history to the present, not to mention literature, travel, fashion, politics and the rest. Roger's his cousin's mirror in modernity in many ways, and that's something potentially interesting to explore: the world changes around them, but Collinses do not.
as an aside, they both have a funny sort of relationship to Burke. Barnabas hates him for his resemblance to Jeremiah and envies his friendship with Vicki and thinks he's crude, and Roger ... well. it's complicated. it's closer to antagonism than not, and Burke has tried to kill him once in this au, and Roger resents his flirting with Vicki, but then there's everything else with their past. so I don't think Barnabas' treatment of him would sit particularly well with Roger, he'd take the attitude of hey, only I can be a dick to Burke >:(
the definite fracture point is Barnabas imprinting on Vicki. Roger's already jealous and possessive by nature, and it's amplified by the supernatural nature of his relationship to Vicki (being closer, bodily and mentally; being necessary to each other; being, quite literally, sustenance) so he's already a little on edge when Barnabas starts paying attention to her, giving her presents, and appreciating the scenery — Barnabas doesn't, exactly, tend to have much in the way of moral inclination to leaving women alone when they have prior engagements, but it's fair to point out the irony of everything Roger was doing with his bloodbag governess when he was still very much a married man.
anyway: Roger finds foreign bite marks on his wife's neck, and he's understandably immensely upset by this. partially out of territorial sentiment, but he also knows Vicki, and he knows that she wouldn't have invited another vampire willingly — which means that she was forced, or hypnotized, or attacked in secret, and there's only the one potential suspect. this is already enough to lose his good will, but he might have been willing to let Barnabas go with a "hands off," had this discovery not lead to finding out what he'd also been doing to Liz. the combination of the two is unforgivable, and it's Barnabas' error to have made an enemy who is very personally aware of all his vampiric weaknesses, and Burke's already carved a stake.
#THANK YOUUUU for the question :D i love talking about this au kskfgd#devilagent#vamp roger au tbt#➤ answered. ┊ Collinsport 4099.#i do think the barnabas and roger relationship is an interesting one even though there's not much going on there in canon.#(canonically speaking roger is just sort of... there? even during cassandra he doesn't ever pity him for being a victim in the scheme;#it's grrr angelique is here messing with *Me* again. who cares about my oblivious dumb blonde cousin)#but there's a lot of parallels going on there which I never shut up about: the way that roger will drain life from a man#to preserve his own; or manipulate and throw others (vicki) under the bus;#or makes david (not biologically in human reproduction) into a monster just like him — forming him and burke in his image.#roger is Modern in ways that barnabas is not — the sports cars; the en vogue suits and turtlenecks; his flippant relationship with his vows#and his (relatively speaking) more-or-less open queerness.#but he's also a creature out of the past; an antiquated speaking pattern; an embrace of old family stories (particularly tragedies);#not to mention he plays the role of a byronic hero practically straight out of the novel just without any sideburns.#roger simultaneously wishes to be free of that family root system; but falls back on it in desperation because it's only because his#ancestry and family wealth and power exists that *he* exists at all.#and in the same way that joshua cannot shoot barnabas for becoming a monster; neither can liz condemn her brother for his manslaughter#(or david for patricide)#but even though they don't die; they are exiled — to the tomb; to augusta — and return as mere shadowed and monstrous versions#of their former selves.#many of the differences between vamp roger and barnabas I think can be partially explained by: roger did not have the 150 year gap between#being turned and coming back; he returns to essentially the same world he knew just ten years ago#and; two; that roger has his great yearning love *after* he's turned; and not before.#there's nothing about his life with laura and david that he particularly mourns or wishes to recreate.#and; as already noted; roger has vicki — who serves as necromancer;#which... I suppose parallels julia; in an odd way.
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#love is contained in the convo across the banister where i tell you to leave my house <3 muah.
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#okay. a)#the parallels between vicki and burke as the dark-headed poor kid that finds themself subject to collinses & Collins-ness & everything that#it represents. vicki who follows in his footsteps as imprisoned – endangered – almost *ran over* for the sake of the family.#who; perhaps despite their better judgment; *do* enjoy the charm; the noblesse oblige; the aura of...#call it doom. around the collins siblings.#(and as we know. ''devlin has a tremendous range.'' in terms of torch-carrying)#but the romance isn't precisely my point even if i'm more than willing to believe in b/e and r/v#but an older collins – one who is perhaps not directly involved in their ruination but a participant in it.#b)#while i was looking at the scene of burke on the stairs i was struck by a feeling of ''hey you shouldn't be up there''#and immediately was like. no let's unpack that.#the stairs are one of the most-traveled parts of the scenography other than perhaps the drawing room window or the sofa BUT it's excluded#to the in-group – the family; their intimates. you don't (or shouldn't) be ascending the stairs as a stranger; an enemy.#because it traverses the boundary between the public and the private – where the drawing room is already host to secrets; intimacy; scandal#the upstairs is a different realm entirely. upstairs is bedrooms; bathrooms; the tower room. sleep – intimacy – privacy – death.#burke is already trespassing in enemy territory by being in the foyer – to go on or up the stairs peels back another layer of skin.#(and worth noting that liz successfully stops him from doing so)#there's so many good r/v scenes that involve the stairs precisely because it represents that boundary between the intimate and public;#between the idea of the house as a home and house as monument.#... which is a key contention between both b&e and r&v. burke who wants collinwood as conqueror wants the castle; a monument to victory.#elizabeth who sees collinwood as her home – as the place of her childhood – as the bricks and blood of her ancestors.#vicki who is desperate to find her home there past and present. roger who sees it as monument to collins misery –#to ancestors that look down on him with undisguised hatred – to his own inadequacy – to imprisonment – to the tomb. (tags via @widowshill)
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#OH SCREAM#head empty just your excellent thoughts#hmm. as to the public/private interface of the stairs - the public rooms versus the family rooms - burke doesn't belong up there but. well.#david does. and whatever liz says about david being a collins -laura certaintly didn't seem to think he was.#dark shadows#elizabeth collins stoddard#roger collins#victoria winters#burke devlin#meta#tag meta
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(via @widowshill)
"gone, I'm gone," hadestown. r/v/b au ft. @tortoisesshells.
#that both laura and vicki are arbiters of - well; not justice broadly speaking; but individually? - for burke. god.#that justice isn't possible in collinsport because of the collinses; that loyalty is; in this context; the next best thing. the closest.#all they can do is keep score and gnaw on the old bones.#THE VAMPIRIC FIGURE [...] CAN OFFER HER NOTHING BUT THE TOMB.#widowshill i need to be put down like a rabid dog.#& reverb! collinsport would still be fucked (because of the collinses!) but can you imagine a world where roger never killed that man?;#never set burke up to take the fall; never married laura?;#now that i'm typing it. i can't. the greater collinsport polycule in any generation is doomed to eat its own.#dark shadows#tag meta#roger collins#victoria winters#burke devlin#laura murdoch collins
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