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beesgav · 11 months ago
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them green boys
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bioniclechicken · 5 months ago
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ashilean · 7 months ago
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Speed
Bonus piece I did for Marn a little while back.
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toaarcan · 5 months ago
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What is the Default Toa Form?
So, theory time.
It's a common fandom headcanon that the natural state of all Toa is the Toa Metru build. The reasons for this are varied (but if I'm honest seem mostly rooted in the fandom's love affair with the build that came to an end during the TTV Hagah Contest rather than any actual lore), but I personally disagree with this.
So I'm going to run through the various Toa builds in roughly chronological order (with one exception) and determine whether I think they're likely to be the true default form of a Toa.
1) Helryx
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Well, right away, here's one that probably isn't.
Helryx is the oldest build lore-wise, newest IRL. She's also kind of a "Meta Build", aiming to look like a forerunner to the Toa Mata build we'll discuss shortly, not by directly evoking the way the Mata were styled (I would argue that a lot of the Mata's identifying hallmarks aren't present in her), but by being primarily composed of parts from 2001 and earlier.
However... this isn't what Helryx always looked like. Nor is the art that actually represents the canonised design.
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The intent of the contest was to create Helryx as she appears in the present, after thousands of years of wear, tear and repair. In the text, she's referred to as disturbingly frail and alien-looking compared to what Takanuva expects a Toa to look like.
Even if she once looked like a default Toa, she doesn't now.
Orde, the only other known prototype Toa, never received a canon design (for what it's worth, I won't be putting a lot of weight on the DuckBricks Fanon Contest designs, since they're, well, fanon. So Bukkey's Orde won't be factored in here, besides me noting that he has a more Mata-esque body than Helryx does).
However, another popular headcanon is that Krakua represents another example of this generation of Toa, as Helryx would've been the basis for Krakua's transformation.
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Perhaps this is what Helryx would've lookedd like when she was healthy and built?
Well, as much as I like that headcanon, and will continue to use it in fanon, probably not. Based on the evidence we have of Toa transformations, both in-story through Takanuva and the Toa Metru, the transformation is pretty much 1-to-1 with current forms. The Metru all get Lhikan's build exactly, except for specifically their height. Likewise, Takanuva's build is identical to Gali Nuva's, despite him not being a Toa Nuva. He didn't resemble base Gali, he resembled her current form.
If Krakua was transformed in Helryx's image, he'd likely be just as small, spindly, and hunched-over as she is.
For now, Krakua remains a weird outlier.
2) Mata
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While not as common a choice as the Toa Metru build, the Mata build has also been suggested a few times as "Base Toa," largely because it's the original. It's relatively simple, and depicting any given Toa as a Mata build is easy enough and looks good.
(I honestly prefer it over the Metru build. It's easier to put proper hips, knees and elbows on a Mata than it is to un-fuck a Metru's shoulders and neck)
However, the Toa Mata are actually pretty much unique entities within the Matoran Universe, unlike any Toa before or after them. They are the only Toa who aren't transformed from Matoran or built by the Great Beings, instead being created by Artakha.
As a result of that unique method of creation, it's entirely reasonable to suggest that the Toa Mata look different to every other Toa in the world besides Takanuva, who was transformed in their image. They're the only canonical Toa whose bodies directly resemble the Great Spirit Robot itself, use these specific colour schemes, and have its specific design language in their construction.
3) Hagah/Mangai/Metru
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By far the most popular contender for this title, but one I don't personally agree with.
We don't know whether the Toa Hagah were built or transformed, but we know they were assembled from across the Matoran universe and given new armour upon recruitment into Teridax's team, and we have no idea what they looked like before they were given this armour, beyond Bomonga presumably already having his huge limbs. Additionally, the Metru were all transformed based on Lhikan, so it's him I'll be focusing on mostly.
Lhikan was transformed and was trained at a Toa Fortress around 6000 years ago. We don't know what the other Mangai looked like (though they're popularly headcanoned as being Metru too, no canon look for them was ever settled).
However, my stance is that this design is not the default (Lhikan would've been transformed in someone's image), but rather a cultural one, a sort of 'uniform' armour style adopted by Toa during the height of their power, when the Toa Fortresses were active and Toa were commonly trained by other Toa. The image of a Toa would've become a consistent thing, and caused almost all transformed Toa to adopt it for a time, making it almost a new default, but not the original, until the Toa genocide and the subspecies becoming largely extinct caused things to diverge again.
This is, to be specific, not a counter-theory I'm proposing to the "Default Metru" theory in and of itself, but rather a part of a wider theory, explaining the commonality of the Metru build when I think that the last spot on our list is the real default.
And that leaves us with only one option.
4) Inika/Mahri/Cordak/Nuva 2.0/Glatorian
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So yes, I think this is the default Toa build.
That might strike you as weird, considering that the Inika are only transformed at the beginning of the Ignition Arc, right before the end of the story in terms of the MU's timescale, and the Nuva adopt this design even later.
But let's consider a few points, shall we?
First off, the Toa Inika are the first and only Toa team we see who are transformed into their Toa forms, and do not have their appearance influenced by previous Toa. And while there's some weirdness with their heads and powers, their bodies seem pretty normal, and remain as such after their Inika weirdness is removed by the Ignika.
Secondly, we know the Great Beings made the Matoran based on the Agori, and the Toa based on the Glatorian. The first Matoran, the default form of a Matoran as it were, are the Av-Matoran, who use the same build as the Agori exactly. Should it not stand to reason that a default Toa uses the same build as the Glatorian?
Additionally, like the Glatorian, the Inika build and its derivatives have by far the most variation from individual to individual. True, we've never seen a Toa as weird as Strakk, but that doesn't mean that none existed.
Thirdly, there's one more character we haven't discussed thus far.
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And this, then, is my smoking gun.
Lesovikk was a member of the first Toa Team, and one would assume based on that information that he's a purpose-built Toa. Well, he isn't. He's transformed. Given how rushed the Great Beings were at the end of the GSR project, I wager they found it easier to make a small number of Toa and then have them immediately transfer power to Matoran than it was to make thousands of Toa from the off.
Lesovikk may well be the first Toa transformed, and if he was, then his transformation would either be free of influence from anyone, or in the direct image of whomever transformed him, who could only be a default, purpose-built Toa.
"But wait!" I hear some of you typing already. "Lesovikk is a mutant, we have no idea what his true form looks like!"
Or do we?
Let's look at another character who was affected by Pit Mutagen in 2007, shall we?
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This is Defilak, a Matoran of Mahri Nui. Like all the residents of Mahri Nui, he once lived on the Southern Continent, and later Voya Nui, after an ill-fated trip to Karzahni.
He used to be a weird little gremlin Matoran like his brethren from 2006, and transformed into the form above after being immersed in Pit Mutagen.
But here's the twist: Rather than simply mutating them directly from their twisted post-rebuild forms, the Mutagen actually reverted the Matoran of Mahri Nui to their original forms first, and only then started to mutate them.
This is Defilak's default form. This is what he always looked like, just with added weapons.
With that in mind, I think it's safe to say that Lesovikk is likely in the same boat: Reverted to his original form before the mutations started.
With the exception of the tube-like gill, I think it's more than probable that Lesovikk is mostly-normal still, and as such, is a very early Toa with a Mahri build.
With that in mind, I conclude that the default design for a Toa is a 2006-2009 build, with Helryx being the product of damage and repair, the Metru/Mangai/Hagah being a cultural design, the Mata being Artakha designs, and Krakua being a weird outlier.
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bionicle-ramblings · 4 months ago
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Don't mind me!
Just,
Vezok: We have your Toa of Water! If you want her back-
Nidhiki: Which one?
Vezok: ... What?
Lhikan: We have two Toa of Water on our team, who do you have?
Vezok: The... Does it matter? Don't you want her back?
Lhikan: Obviously, but there's also a chance you're in for a rough day, so who do you have?
Vezok: Er... Naho. You care about her, don't you, Toa of Fire?
Naho: Would you like to try again?
Vezok: ...
Tuyet(already freed herself and armed with her sword and a dagger and basically had Vezok in a, "move and you die" spot): Rude that you never asked me for my name. I'll see you guys in a day or two.
Lhikan: Please, don't kill him.
Tuyet: No promises.
Naho: *Tuyet.*
Tuyet: Fine.
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powjump · 9 months ago
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Kanae, Toa Mangai of Swamp
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teoft · 1 year ago
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Toa Tuyet
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sandiaheadonline · 1 year ago
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Lhikan, Naho and the Dermis Turtle.
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I have this headcanon where these two used to be close friends until well... Naho was killed by Eliminator.
Nothing else to say, I just made this a while ago and wanted to share it because I love them and hate the fate Naho had both in her universe and in the Dark Mirror. It's just messed up and she deserved so much better than that 💔
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kanohivolitakk · 3 months ago
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You know, I find the difference between how the fandom treats Nidhiki and how the fandom treats Tuyet rather fascinating.
Because both of them are traitorous Toa Mangai who betrayed their team (and thus the ideal of Toa) for their own selfish gains. Both are characters who can be read either sympathetically or as completely selfish and vile characters. And lastly both are mean to represent the different ways a toa can fall to the dark side by having their vices and flaws win over their virtues.
Yet despite of those similarities, I have noticed people tend to be far more sympathetic to Nidhiki than Tuyet. People tend to give Nidhiki far more sympathetic towards his circumstances, minimize his flaws and outright wish he had been redeemed. While with Tuyet is at best seen as an interesting and somewhat complex villain, or at worst as a tyrannical lunatic.
It is easy to chalk this dichotomy up to Nidhiki being canonically more sympathetic than Tuyet, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. If we go by Greg's own commentary, his intention was other way around. For Greg Nidhiki was a selfish opportunist with few sympathetic traits, while Tuyet was someone who took her noble goals too far. Greg also has stated multiple times Tuyet is not evil, but rather insane (something that has it's own can of worms but thats neither here or there)
As such, we can easily think the dichotomy is either misogynistic doublestandards of sympathizing with a male villain while demonizing a female one in spite of the latter being less heinous, or yet another case of fans disagreeing with Greg. And while either of those conclusions are understandable, I think to simplify it would be rather dismissive and disingenous. As I do tink there are a few reasons why this is at play beyond misogynistic doublestandards or fans disagreeing with Greg for the fiftieth time.
Firstly, while Nidhiki was meant to be unsympathetic and selfish, his hints of a tragic backstory™ kinda muddy that interesting. If Nidhiki was meant to be a selfish powerhungry jerk, why then tell the audience he had to survive his whole life in one of the harshest conditions in Matoran Universe. Knowing Nidhiki's upbringing in TK Peninsula, it makes his actions far more understandable and sympathetic than if we knew where he came on. Tuyet meanwhile has no backstory or mindset that explains her motivations and goals, beyond her viewing Toa as too weak-willed to protect matoran. As such, it is easy to read her as a totalitarian despot who wants to control others, than anything more.
Secondly, Nidhiki is far more likable than Tuyet in their respective backstory oneshots. Tuyet in MDOTT is largely characterized as rather curt, nononsenical and somewhat manipuative, making her hard to sympathize for the audience. Contrast this to Nidhiki in MDOTT and BOADH, who while flawed is given more likable traits. Nidhiki is shown to be witty, clever and a bit of a snarker, which make him more endearing to the audience in spite of his impulsivity and selfishness being clearly present. Paired with BOADH being largely from his POV (and thus, allowing us to see his perspective, reasonings and mentality), it just makes Nidhiki a far easier character to root for than Tuyet, who is presented as an antagonist in her story.
Lastly, Nidhiki is just a character most fans have more connection to due his importance in the overarching story. Nidhiki was an already established antagonist in a main story arc, who'se backstory was mysteriously intriguing before being later expanded on. Tuyet meanwhile is a serial exclusive character first introduced as a plotdevice corpse, who was given a backstory to explain who she was while beinng alive and later used because she presented many interestig opportunities and potential. As such, people are more likely to be interested in the character present in the main story than the one who mainly exists in supplemential material.
But yeah that's just my own two cents on this as a Nidhiki fan who likes both characters. There's also the way how Tuyet does far worse things than Nidhiki and has far steadfast morality, but I feel I have talked about those earlier so I digress.
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wjbs-bonkle-au · 3 months ago
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Mandatory Mangai MOC post!
(A live-updating list of stuff I use can be found here, feel free to suggest anything not on that list via my askbox.)
Individual renders and bonus things below.
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Melding:
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Toa Empire:
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randomwriteronline · 4 months ago
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Tumul loves Tuyet.
She is his sister, agile and repentine - not frail, for water cannot break but only slither and crash; not cruel, for she only does what she must. There is no love for pain in her sharp movements, just like there isn't in his own heavy limbs.
They are twins: like Kopaka and Gali Mata. That is how their peers described them, that is how they describe themselves. They became Toa at the same time, trained at the same fortress, worked on the same missions, sparred with the same weapons. He can see what she can only guess, she can go where he can only imagine; the swiftness of her limbs perfectly compliments the bulk of his form.
She has never lied to him. Not even once.
Tuyet loves Tumul.
He is her brother, still and steady - not frail, for ice does not break nor melt if cold or thick enough; not cruel, for he only does what he must. There is no love for pain in his heavy limbs, just like there isn't in her own sharp movements.
They are twins: like Gali and Kopaka Mata. That is how their peers described them, that is how they describe themselves. They think the same way, talk in the same tone, enjoy the same silence, agree on the same plans, follow the same strategies. She can express what he only ponders, he can know what she can only suppose; the adaptability of his will perfectly compliments the inflexibility of her ideals.
She has never lied to him. Not even once.
She means it, when she promises she will use his power for the right cause, for the greater good, she means it, because he is dying and she was never good at healing (not that it would do much) and this is the only way she can save at least some part of him, she means it, because maybe it isn't the truth but it is right now, and because if she had had her way from the start her twin wouldn't be dying right now.
She means it, she always means it, and there is no need to use a Rode on her because it's the truth: she means it.
Tumul clutches the Nui Stone hard in his hands as he dies in her arms, to exhaust every drop of energy he has within it completely, to follow his twin sister in any way he can.
Tuyet returns alone, her twin brother seeping into her bones like failed cells absorbed in the womb. If she tightens her hand hard into a fist, she can feel a chill seep out of it.
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beesgav · 10 months ago
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some bits for that human AU of mine I vaguely mentioned a bit ago- Lhikan mentors the Metru a bit more directly, and he's Jaller's dad
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bioniclechicken · 2 years ago
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Naho and Tuyet: besties
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ashilean · 8 months ago
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NAHO, toa Mangai of water (4/11)
Running along the cliffside waterways of Ga-Metru, toa Naho's work is never done, no matter how many matoran she saves. A distant--if watchful--hero, Naho has become a bit of a folk legend in the waning years of the Mangai's vigil. Striking at the opportune time, she is a surprise to allies and enemies alike, disappearing back into the mist once her job is done.
She wears the great Huna and wields a High-Pressure Launcher, concentrated blasts of water aiding in her acrobatic traversal of the city.
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licencetocolt · 2 years ago
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Brothers in Arms
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Photography by @anotherbionicle.
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bionicle-ramblings · 4 months ago
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Now that I'm watching the Droid factory scene from Attack of The Clones again
No thoughts
Just the Mangai fighting in a factory that builds Vahki, and EVERYTHING threatens their lives
Their enemies
The machinery around them
Heights
Molten Protodermis
Just the blorbos being in situations
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