#to be clear i don't necessarily ship them but i do think they are hilarious as bitter exes

[dailyhiveswapkids]

guys what should trizza and cridea's ship name be.... tridea? crizza? tbh my money is on tridea give other suggestions if u want

[chaos0pikachu]

Hi chaos,

I don't know if you've heard of the Ohm-Nanon fans going to Nanon's concert wearing Ohm masks but it happened? (I don't know how to end that sentence.) (Sorry, English isn't my first language.)

You have written about parasocial relationships so I wanted to ask why are people still involved in Ohm-Nanon? Bad Buddy ended so long ago and they are still doing all this. What makes Ohm-Nanon so special? We haven't see such huge bad behaviour from other pair brands.

Please never ever apologize for how you sound in English which is a dumb broken language anyway lol fr you're English is great

anyways um, what in the fucking purge?? lmao sorry the masks thing is just taking me out I'm imagining it and the image in my head is giving kdrama to the max with the discord music and everything lmaoooo

I had not heard of that b/c I don't follow actors like that at all this is very much Brand New Information.gif for me whew wow

Soft disclaimer here I am not an expert behavioral science or anything related so like, anything I say in regards to this is based only on what I've read, can link to from experts in the field, and speculation.

I don't think OhmNanon are necessarily "special" tbh like this behavior is extreme but I wouldn't call it "new".

In western fandom you had or still have fans behaving like this we just call them "tinhats".

Like, take Larries for instance, Louis just spoke about it in an interview that nothing he can say will deter the conspiracies theorists so he's kinda stuck. This article from VOX is old (2016) but it features a pretty clear cut timeline of the theories, and obsession tinhats have with Larry. Even before Larry there was J2 (Jensen Ackles/Jared Padalecki from Supernatural):

I want to note that One Direction stopped being an active band in 2016, almost 8 years ago. And neither Harry nor Louis have been spotted like, hanging out~~ in public for almost that entire time. Meanwhile Jared and Jensen have been been married to their wives since 2010, almost 15 years.

To play fair, Caitríona Mary Balfe (best known for Outlander) is also at the root of a tinhat conspiracy with her costar Sam Heughan. Caitriona has been married since 2019.

Western fandom likes to pretend this environment of fan entitlement, and obsessing over costars relationships is an East Asian entertainment only thing. I thoroughly disagree, and I'm sure the people involved in these various tinhat conspiracies, many who have been thoroughly and ruthlessly harassed along with their spouses, family, friends, and anyone else caught in the crossfire would also disagree.

For me the only arguable difference between like MewGulf and Larry is MewGulf played up skinship as a means of capital and for work, while Louis and Harry were just two dudes in a band.

[I even watched the old school MewGulf videos of them during Peak Fanservice Era and I gotta say it's all so obviously hilarious fake and played up I would have never taken them seriously as a true blue couple. They reminded me more of Adam Lambert making out with his bassist during his FYE tour (Tommy, who from what I remember is straight but idk 100%) for the fun and rock n roll of it all.]

I'm getting off track, I don't think OhmNanon are "special" by-the-by because I've seen this entitled and obsessive behavior with other tinhat ships. The length of time doesn't really matter, what matters is sunk cost fallacy:

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."

Fans have invested time, love, and literal money into Ohm and Nanon, therefore giving them up - and thus giving up the "community" they've build with other Ohm and Nanon fans - is unthinkable and painful.

Combine that with general fan entitlement towards public figures, the para-sociality of believe you, individually, know what's "best" for this person - aka this STRANGER - and there's a belief that you can change or force an outcome that suits your needs and wants.

There's a lot of dehumanization involved in fan entitlement, ppl stop viewing public figures - especially actors and musicians - as products rather than people. And with a product if you leave a bad review, and enough bad reviews the company will fix and change the product.

But people aren't products, and you can't force them to do what you want or be who you want them to be just because it upsets YOU individually.

So at the end of the day, what's gonna happen with Ohm and Nanon? Well, they'll probably just keeping doing what they do. Filming their individual shows, maybe one of them will do another BL - I think Ohm already has one in the works? - and try to move on with their lives. They're coworkers and from what I've seen seem fine being coworkers. I'm not interested in speculating what their relationship is, or was, publicly, they've said they're fine with each other so I'm very es lo que es about it.

For fans, well they're probably slowly taper off eventually with only a core group of "true believers" or whatever like some MewGulf, BrightWin and others have. As fans I think the only thing we can do is discourage the behavior, and be empathetic towards the people being harassed.

Now I'm gonna leave you with my favorite debunk of a tinhat post:

[earlgreytea68]

I think every FOB fan that crosses a certain threshold of intensity (that threshold is probably "watching a certain amount of interviews" and/or "reading Pete's old LJ") has at some point shipped them, even if that's no longer the case. Beyond the very very common tendency to interpret any relationship that goes beyond our norms of public friendship in some way as romantic, they are also creatives inextricably tied together – and people romanticize the shit out of the creative process too, AND Pete thought it was hilarious to lean into all of this for the first phase of their career (and still, sometimes!), encompassing what I very affectionately and jokingly refer to as "workplace sexual harassment", physical and verbal. There's so many layers to it, from certain lines to whole songs. But seriously, I'm not sure I've ever met a fan whose "best friends" tag wasn't once their "peterick" tag. As far as I'm concerned Pete Wentz personally swung for my patellar tendon, so although shipping is a bit of a faux pas, I can't find it in me to feel like this is my fault.

No, in all honesty, I feel like Pete Wentz has got his favorite fics bookmarked, like, I just also agree that I can't find it in me to feel bad about the whole situation he has deliberately created lol.

But yeah, I did a Three-Patch Podcast once on bandom and I think I said at some point when talking about that, honestly, there is very little more romantic in the world than finding your creative soulmate, and I don't mean that in the sexual way we inevitably understand romance, I mean it in the actual definition of the word of love and excitement and joy and intimacy. So, like, yeah, we have ourselves a vocabulary of relationships that prioritizes sexual relationships and leaves less room for other kinds of relationships, but we simultaneously are aware of the importance of other kinds of relationships, and when we encounter them, it means a ton to us, not because there's something wrong with us but because we recognize the importance of all kinds of relationships in people's lives (and our lives). I think neither Pete nor Patrick "ships" themselves, but I think they *do* recognize the importance of their relationship and the luck they experienced to have found each other, and then that gets translated as "shipping" because of the dearth of our vocabulary to exalt these kinds of relationships.

So whenever we talk about Pete and Patrick and their affection for each other, I feel like we often feel like we need to be defensive about it, and in a way that's so silly, because that's only because we translate any affectionate relationship into sex.

(To be clear, I obviously have no problem with shipping. But I also think that not every time I post about Pete and Patrick am I, like, "shipping" them. Most of the time I'm like, "Look how much these two people like and love and complement each other," and there's no reason that statement is inherently "shippy." Like, I tag everything "Peterick" every time I talk about them, but I don't mean for all of that to be shipping, necessarily.)

[shipcestuous]

Sorry if it's a silly question or one you've answered before, but what's that "grade on a curve" ask referring to? I tried looking for more context in your discussion and anti tags, but I couldn't find anything, idk if that's due to Tumblr's search system.

Anyway, I personally think trying to prove anything to antis is a wasted effort in most cases. Most of them seem to be looking for reasons to get angry, possibly because they don't feel important or in control irl so they want to play the part of the hero battling the bad guys For The Greater Good online and get clout and admiration for it, so they're not generally the best people to try and have reasonable arguments with. Plus, with how many of them can be hilariously hypocritical about their interests ("you writing a physically abusive relationship in your fic proves you're unstable and dangerous, but me drawing a lot of violence and gore is perfectly okay," "we're essentially shipping the same problematic ship but I see myself as someone with good critical analysis skills and you as someone who's either stupid or evil, so it's fine for me to put it in my fanworks but not for you," etc.) I have my doubts about them reading "incest shipping isn't really a free-for-all, people have different tastes and opinions" and NOT somehow getting "people who like incest ship in THIS way are okay, but people who like incest ships in THAT way deserve all the hate they get" out of it...

On the other hand, I absolutely DO think it's important for incest shippers, proship/anti anti types, and people who just care about other people's comfort in fandom space in a healthy, non-self-centered way to be aware that we all have different preferences, boundaries, and even triggers, and that's okay! Just to make an example, if I like sharing fluffy headcanons about a wholesome brosis ships with you (general you), that doesn't necessarily mean I'll be okay with you reccing me hardcore BDSM darkfics about a codependent twincest ship out of the blue just because I'm into incest. Or, if I like twisted, manipulative parent/child and I've gushed about it you, even on multiple occasions, that doesn't necessarily mean I'll be okay with you suggesting me an extreme underage noncon scenario for the same ship, just because I like my incest dark and fucked-up.

We all have a place in fandom, no matter if our tastes run wholesome or twisted, vanilla or hardcore... and I think it's safe to say that many of us actually like both, even if at different times, for different ships, in different context or different combinations! But to coexist together peacefully, we have to be clear about what we want or don't want from our fandom experience, and respect other people's boundaries. Even when we don't get them, or we think they're too specific, or they're the squshy "X is yes or a soft no for me depending on the day, unless Y happens, then it's a HARD no" or "X is a hard no for me unless Y happens when Z, then it's just a soft no or, in a W context, even a yes" kind. (And, as someone who does have some squishy boundaries, let me tell you: they're actually WAY more frustrating when you try to formulate them in an understandbable manner so you don't accidentally cause any misunderstanding than when you have to hear them out, lol.)

Fortunately, I don't think I've actually seen cases like these happen a lot among incest shippers. But I think it always good to keep all this in mind!

Hi Anon,

I apologize for making things difficult for you. The grading-on-a-curve analogy first came up in this post. It was primarily a discussion of Cathy and Chris, so I didn't link back to it.

I agree with you. Many antis cannot be reasoned with, will always assume the worst, and need to pass judgment to validate themselves, or some other psychological reason. If we start regulating our behavior to appease them, they win. As always, the best way to deal with the issue is to ignore them, create content, and enjoy ourselves. But even though they are prone to assumptions, we also don't want to give them any fuel for assuming the wrong thing about us as shippers.

And then within our community its important not to make assumptions, but I think we have a pretty good understanding among ourselves that tastes vary. But it's good to remember to always give details when recommending things so that people can make informed decisions.

Thanks for sharing these thoughts, Anon!

[margridarnauds]

Audrey/Seymour, Hyde/Lucy, Hyde/Emma

Ship It: Audrey/Seymour

What made you ship it?

...I will admit I have never actually watched this musical in full, but "Suddenly Seymour." Especially when performed live by Hugh Panaro. Rawr.

What are your favorite things about the ship?

Get you a man who will feed your abusive boyfriend to a plant which he named out of love for you.

Is there an unpopular opinion you have on your ship?

...I literally have no idea what the unpopular and popular opinions on this ship are and I choose to keep it that way. I think that, looking at the tag at just a glance, it's actually that rare case with one of my ships where the fandom just...hyper-sanitizes it? Like, I love them as a comfort ship where they help one another and support one another, but I also do very much like that....he does feed people to the plant? He couldn't kill Orin, but he did watch as he died. He did get rid of Mushnik. And, while we can go back and forth on whether they deserved it...that is a thing he does do, and he was willing to let more people die if it meant that Audrey would still love him. I'm not looking at hyper grimdark takes, but I'm interested in like....approaches that go with that level of..."The things we do for love."

Ship It: Lucy/Hyde

What made you ship it?

It was very much....not necessarily Baby's First Darkship, because I've been shipping heroes/villains since I literally had a conception of romance as something Not Icky. I loved my femme fatales and ice queens and brooding bad boys and gothic heroes -- I always have and, unless something very dramatic happens, I very likely always will. (One of my first ships probably WAS Imhotep/Ankh-Su-Namun.) But if it wasn't Baby's First Dark Ship, it was Baby's First Musical Theatre Dark Ship. Like, I'd dipped into E/C, but I was kind of caught up in the sort of....purity culture around it? So I gave it up for a while. And J and H was the second musical, after POTO and Cats, that I REALLY got into, so it was kind of natural. (And HILARIOUS, given that Hyde is....pretty objectively a worse human being than Erik in every conceivable way -- He's definitely worse as a romantic partner. I really went from the frying pan to the flaming dumpster fire and never looked back.)

But, like. At the time, I was a very, very religious pre-teen/teenager, who was very strongly indoctrinated by purity culture. Like, to put this into perspective: I only allowed myself to listen to "Point of No Return" from POTO once a day because I thought it was a Bad Song (that I was nonetheless intrigued by) and somehow, only listening to it once a day, with the knowledge that it was a Bad Song, would somehow make it okay with Baby Jesus. (Yes...my twelve year old self was...a little strange in the logic department.) And so Dangerous Game was really.....it was sex, in a way that I really didn't allow myself to interact with sex. And it was a little scary and...intimidating and guilt-ridden, but I was also very interested in this push and pull. Lucy was this female character that I was really invested in, she had this very tragic ending that I rejected even at 12, and so I was really drawn to her and her dynamic with Hyde -- some of the first musical theatre fanfic I ever looked at was probably for those two and Chauvelin/Marguerite.

What are your favorite things about the ship?

I love (anti)heroine/villain ships where the heroine/villain are in a relationship that works as a dark parallel to another "purer" ship. It's similar with Morléans Marie Antoinette where it's like....Lucy isn't Emma, Hyde isn't Henry, and they're both these kind of cast-offs of society. Hyde is the part of Henry that he rejects, while Simon Stride/the Spider makes it very clear that Lucy will never be a lady like Emma, and so there's this...symmetry between the two of them.

Is there an unpopular opinion you have on your ship?

I don't really go here as an active fandom -- I don't really know what the fandom opinions are on them. Like, so much discussion of J and H is about how bad it is and...like, it is and it isn't and I need to be at a certain level of trust with someone before I'm willing to talk about what I do and don't like about it, and every time I go on I see all these webcomics and crossovers I don't fully understand and don't particularly *want* to understand, so like...I'm here, but I'm not.

I guess...in my ideal J and H, it would really emphasize that Hyde himself has some of Henry just like Henry has some of Hyde -- Some of those things that Hyde does that Henry wouldn't do are horrible, but I also wouldn't mind seeing him, say, beat the shit out of the Spider. (Though he does kill Simon at the wedding reception so #GaslightGatekeepGirlboss?) Like, he's canonically possessive of her, so I'd like to see that possessiveness cross over into protectiveness. I'd like to see more of that push and pull, establishing this sense of...a certain level of equality even if he still has more power over her. It's still inherently unhealthy, because it wouldn't be *them* if it wasn't, but just...fleshing out what's already there. And, in my ideal version of things, she does survive him stabbing her (I HAVE NOT ACCEPTED HER DEATH SINCE 2010, I'M NOT GOING TO START NOW), and so she has to come to terms with everything post-canon. Like, the man's dead, and that's good, but also that she *did* love him, so there's also this sense of regret.

I can see, going into the tag, that there's been a bit of backlash against the ship -- Frankly, I don't care. I get why it can be offputting to people, I'm not blaming people for wanting Lucy to live a perfectly happy, fluffy life and to run away with Jekyll or Emma or any combination, but also it's kind of...there. It's one of those ships where I'm here like "don't blame me for being invested in the dark, toxic, but sexy relationship that is framed as being dark, toxic, but sexy." (Honestly, there wouldn't be anything morally wrong with shipping it either way, but in this particular case...it's in the canon. And, frankly, again, what do people expect from a gothic musical? Well-adjusted people?) I'll say that most takes seem to, as usually when it comes to my dark ships, go either too fluffy for them or too grimdark, when my personal favorite medium is "fucked up tenderness/angst/bittersweet endings."

Ship It: Emma/Hyde

What made you ship it?

I literally never considered it until you just suggested it, but I am now interested.

What are your favorite things about the ship?

I was talking about Lucy/Edward as that sort of gothic ship that is based on obsession and lust that borders just on the razor edge of hatred and love, but also...Emma/Edward are the gothic ship that is...the heroine in the haunted house (her house), married to a monster. It's a mixture of Beauty and the Beast, the gothic genre, and some of my favorite folkloric motifs around monstrous husbands. (I'm thinking of a mix up of Bluebeard, The Vampire/Corpse Eater [though that one and I have a...complicated relationship], and East of the Sun, West of the Moon.) He's Henry, but he Isn't, there are these traces of the man that Emma loved, and she wants him back, but there is also this darkness that is also compelling. Emma's never fit into Victorian society, anyway -- She isn't "seventeen, obedient, and sweet". That was part of the appeal of Henry, why she didn't marry Simon. She wouldn't go for Hyde's brutality, no, but I also think...she might, depending on the Emma, be willing to consider Hyde more than we might think. She's coming in with this strong sense of self and this strong sense of confidence that might or might not be enticing to Hyde.

Is there an unpopular opinion you have on your ship?

...if this is widely shipped in any way, I would be greatly surprised, especially given how vocal people can be about Lucy/Hyde.

[sillylotrpolls]

Hooooo-boy. This poll made me remember why I don't run tournaments and (usually) stay away from shipping. And also why I (usually) include context for the questions I ask, but somehow it didn't occur to me that voters on tumblr wouldn't necessarily know the definition of "tumblr sexyman." More fool me.

In the end (thanks in part to some heavy propoganda), Gollum pulled out the win with 18.7%, and I think we can all be grateful that Gollum/Smeagol never took off the way Onceler/Greedler did (if you don't know what that is, don't look it up).

Before the poll breached containment, I was amused to see Thranduil (7%) losing by quite a bit to spider Shelob (9.3%) (yes, women can be "sexymen" though it's much less common), and Maedhros (2.8%) in the clear lead over his brother Maglor (0.9%) and father Fëanor (4.5%). Fëanor overcame his initial deficit to win the Silm bracket, but I really thought all three of them and Maeglin (0.9%) would do better. But, well... ::gestures at comments::

Sauron (8.3%), meanwhile, will be quite displeased to have lost to Grima Wormtongue (10.5%), which I find hilarious. Also, now morbidly curious as to what Grima/Sauron fic would read like... Unfortunately, the only fic (currently) on Ao3 starts with "I've never seen or watched LOTR, and I have also never written fanfic." ::sigh::

And finally, I was pleased to see Figwit (13%) has not been forgotten by his fans. ♥

PS: If you enjoyed the spirited debate in these notes and want to run a tournament, by all means! I'll be happy to assist in promotion. As for me, I'm reminded that I really do prefer to consider logistics, so even though they're a lot more effort than "choose one of these 12 people" polls I'll be trying to get back into my old groove, if more sporadically than when this blog was young and fresh and could remember the taste of strawberries.

[Un]conscionably, Tolkien's works have been severely underrepresented in the world of Tumblr sexymen. Now is[n't] the time to change that.

On a related note, did you know there is a Sexypedia Wiki? The research I do for these polls continues to surprise.

[stardustedknuckles]

Honest questions, no shipping discourse. Could you see Jester with B/Y if Jes and Yash were focused on Beau and not necessarily each other? Just making Beau feel good? Or is that still kind of ehh for you? Also, do you think Beau would ever join in on a platonic Yasha/Molly thing if Yasha asked? Of course talking about restrictions and safe words and all that jazz. Like no touching between Molly and Beau but they team up to make Yasha feel good?

I'm actually delighted by this ask and firmly on the no shipping discourse boat myself.

Yasha and jester focusing on Beau is about the only way it takes shape in my head, complete with Yasha's arm around Jester's shoulder after while Beau is sprawled across both their laps recovering - both of them commenting how cute she looks all flushed like this while Beau prays for death but wouldn't rather be anywhere else. And I've actually had similar thoughts with yasha and Beau and Molly. I think at a certain point friends just want good things for each other and you can focus on making someone feel good when you don't necessarily want to be touched yourself. That's no great tragedy - in fact I've often joked along the lines of "well if everyone's horny then who's driving the bus?" as in, being able to keep a clear head has its perks.

To me yasha would be pretty private about actual intimacy with Beau but having jester involved, especially when they both know that's something Beau is into, could work out just great.

I think if Molly and Beau both touched yasha she would actually die happy. I also think it would be absolutely hilarious to see them either working together surprisingly seamlessly (hey watch what this does/oh I didn't know that one, nice, what about this) or for listening to these two idiots sniping at each other to just be part of the ride. Yasha just. "That was incredible. Also I'm gagging you both next time. Stop looking at me like that, you're both into it."

[casmybelovedass]

The Destiel Folder: Season 10

[Season 4; Season 5; Season 6; Season 7; Season 8; Season 9]

Episode 1:

Cas is slowly dying, practically naked, in a bed, and the first thing he says when talking about Dean is "I miss him" (6:35), with a soft smile. "Why would he just disappear?"

... I'm sorry but If Cas Were A Woman, this would look like a scene from a movie or something, where the wife talks to a friend over the phone about her missing husband. JUST SAYING

Crowley: "The girl seemed nice. Slightly damaged. I could see the old you falling for that." (9:29) uhm... who else is "nice and slightly" damaged? I don't know... CASTIEL??!!!

So... these two men (actors Todd Mann and Brad Mann) we see with the DemonGang, are real life twins (9:14).

At (27:18), Crowley states him and Dean did "extroardinary things to triplets" ... and, well, the only twins with a possible other sibling we see are... them

And this is not the first time we hear about Dean doing "things to triplets" with a buddy of his (15x07)... and the first time he was NOT a demon... so, there's that. And triplets don't necessarily mean "all females"

Cas, while talking about the good things that come with choices, mentions "hope, love, dreams" (39:06), and Hannah points out that "those are human things". Human things...

Cas is talking about his own personal experiences with creating chaos, so those are the things he felt after rebelling for... Dean... WOW. ICWAW, it would totally be read it as a reference to Dean. A romantic one. Fight me

Episode 2:

Cas is dying, just got back from a fight that left him wounded, doesn't have enough power to heal himself, is on a mission to restore Heaven, and once again he chooses to go save Dean (9:35), and the way rage builds in his eyes when learning Dean has become a demon. Look at this shit

I might be crazy, but this feels like a touching metaphor to me:

"I think you don't know what you want. Tell me, Dean. What are you? A demon? [...] Maybe you're human. [...] Why don't you do us all a great, big favor... and pick a bloody side!" (22:22)

METAPHOR

Episode 3:

We are reminded that, even tho in terrible conditions, on the verge of death, Cas is willing to risk it all to save Dean, and is devastated by the thought of Dean not making it (4:47 - 5:17)

This is so funny to me, I'm sorry, but Cas is so visibly uncomfortable with Hannah touching him, it's hilarious (15:58)

"I've been around humans for long enough to see how easily distractions occur. Emotions, feelings... They're dangerous temptations." (22:32) like rebelling against your own kind, destroying your home, falling... all for a human?

"I'm trying to keep our priorities clear." Moments earlier, Cas listed "Getting to Dean" (22:17) before anything else. In fact, Hannah says "I am very clear of my priorities... and yours." = Dean (23:00)

Cas is not sure whether the cure will kill Dean or not, and in any case, he wraps his arms around him, and softly says "It's over... Dean it's over." (35:40) as if hushing him to sleep, in what could have been their last moments together... wow. Think about this ICWAW

"Well, I can see his point. Only humans can feel real joy, but... also such profound pain. This is easier." (36:17) Look at the way Sam is looking at Cas looking at Dean

BITCH OKAY!!

SAM KNOWS

POSSIBILE future Empty reference "real joy"

Cas already stated he misses being human, but knows how fragile they are in both body and spirit:

Castiel really wants to be with Dean. For real. But maybe he thinks (see season 9) him being an angel is an obstacle to their feelings.

Only by being human he can truly be happy (MMMMMMHH SEASON 15), but isn't sure he could handle the pain that comes with it. A possible rejection, the thought of Dean dying, him leaving Dean... MMMMHHHHH

"You look terrible." [...] "Well, you, on the other hand, you... *checks out Cas* Looking good." (39:09) full homo right there. Also parallel with Ketch in 13x18 ("You don't look good." "Yeah, well, you're not my type, either.")

The way they are looking at each other here... man.

Cas is so happy to have Dean back, and Dean looks hurt about Cas leaving so soon.

"So... so, you're back?" "At least temporarily." (39:27) bitch, you know that's not what he ment.

In all of this, Cas is trying to make Dean feel better about the whole situation (DAT SMILE 40:18), and Dean replies with "I'm glad you're back, man.", basically no-homoing himself...

Cas starts walking out of the room, but stops and turns back [insert concerned husband here] (40:27), and Dean has that hopeful look in his eyes, like Cas is going to stay, and the hurtful look comes back as soon as Cas is gone

Episode 4:

"On your knees!" "Wow, I'm awfully flattered-" (34:33) SASSY BI DEAN IS THE DEAN WE DESERVE

Episode 5:

Fucking kill me NOW!!! Dean's reaction to Destiel is PRICELESS!! And even before he learns what that is, he just looks at the girls playing him and Cas and... freezes for a moment (13:18) And the eyebrow raise thingy at (13:34)... what's going on in your brain, Dean?

I'd like to point out that the Italian translation for "You can't spell 'subtext' without S-E-X" is, for once, AMAZING:

"It's just that... their bond is so strong it has subtext of a... sexual nature."

THANK YOU ITALIAN DUB! JUST THIS ONCE, THANK YOU! (13:43)

Also at (9:44) Dean immediately reacts to the implication of Wincest subtext, shutting it down and telling the girls to take a step back, but with Destiel he is like... alright

... this is so fucking cute, (25:54) Dean adjusts the girl playing Cas' tie so that it's messed up like the real Cas'. ADORABLE

SAM SHIPS IT (13:57) and is teasing the SHIT out of Dean, who reacts like someone being teased about their crush. Just saying (14:08 - 14:52) [AND THIS HAPPENS IN FRONT OF A PINK-BLUE WALL]

"I know I have expressed some differences of opinion regarding this version of Supernatural." (26:44) ... oookay meta? *turns to "Cas"* "And I want you to put as much sub into that text as you possibly can." ... oKAY?!

Episode 7:

Cas being extremely uncomfortable with women is too fucking funny to me (5:03 - 12:51)

Episode 9:

(15:13) Alright, so, this is a date... what now? Anyway, nice bi flannel, Dean. And the little sweet smiles you two are giving each other? So fucking precious (16:01)

"I ain't exactly a role model." "That's not true." (16:07) how Dean looks at Cas right after that? BABIES!

"How are you, Dean?" "Fine." "*I-call-bullshit look*" "I'm great!" "No, you're not." (16:18) #MARRIED

As Cas is choke-holding a guy, Dean, clearly amused (almost proudly), says "I'd do what he says." (22:17) Like that time with Raphael in 5x03, Dean likes it when Cas gets rough

Episode 10:

Shut the fuck up and marry each other already so you can finally actually BE the old married couple™️ you ALREADY ARE (22:17)

This is the "My husband is so FUCKING STUPID" look (22:30)

"I was hoping you might reach out to her." "... Me? I'm probably the last person she'd want to hear from." [...] "All I know... is she won't talk to me." (23:03) #MARRIED, PARENTS, PERIODT

Shut the fuck up. Cas is the dad trying to figure out technology (23:36) "I'll text you her number. I like texting. Emotions!" DAD

Cas worries about Dean like a wife would with an alcoholic husband

Of all the things Dean could be MAD about at Metateon... the first thing he can think of is him stealing Cas' grace (31:33) (okay, maybe he is going in chronological order but STILL)

Episode 11:

[I AM SO SO SO SORRY BUT DEAN USED THE ALIAS "PRESLEY" (18:55) I AM NOT OKAY]

Episode 14:

Have this deleted scene: Castiel and Crowley bitching over Dean, and Crowley calling Dean Cas' boyfriend

This is some hell of a goodbye-eye-love-making scene (26:57)

Cain compares himself to Dean... and CAS TO HIS WIFE COLLETTE [PARALLELS]

"You're living my life in reverse [...]

First you'd kill Crowley. You'd get it done, no remorse. (Cain had been killing his descendants, for whom he didn't care much)

And then you'd kill the angel, Castiel. Now, that one... that, I suspect, would hurt something awful. [And than Sam is Able, bla bla...]"

AM I WRONG?! YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT ME AND TELL ME THAT I'M WRONG??!!!

Dean gives the First Blade to Cas... oKAY (37:10)

Worried brother-in-laws (41:27)

Episode 16:

This is such a good source of hidden meanings scene! Dean starts his "confession" as a scam. Everything he says at first is to attract the spirit.

He starts talking about seeing lots of women, not being able to control himself, and being sick of it. Then the real confession begins...

Dean feels he's going to die soon, and fears not death itself, but what he would be missing from his life.

"There's things... people, feelings that I... I would experience differently than I had before. Or even for the first time." (25:28) and the priest believes Dean is talking about love.

Well... "people, feelings"... who could he be referring to? Does Dean want love all of a sudden? People he wants to experience for the first time... uhmmmm... Is Dean opening up to his attraction to MEN??!! Or one angel in particular?

ICWAW we would guess Dean was talking about Cas

"Who mixes their blood and bones into paint? No woman has ever done that for me." (39:19) UHM- Dean, what about

6x20 "He has bled, died bla bla bla for us",

7x21 "I'm always happy to bleed for the Winchesters" or

9x22 "You just gave up an entire army for one guy"

ICWAW we would ALL roll our eyes at this statement and scream CAS

THE GUY BLED, LOST HIS HOME, REBELLED, DIED FOR YOU!! HE REBUILT YOU PIECE BY PIECE FROM HELL- SAVED YOU DOZENS OF TIMES!!!

Episode 17:

About saving Dean from the Mark: "We won't- (free Metatron)" "Yes, you will... because you're desperate." (9:44) Hannah knows. Let's remark that

"All I'm getting from you is... colours." (14:26) bitch he is a walking 🌈PRIDE FLAG🏳️‍🌈

Notice how, when we get a Sam-Cas centred episode, we don't get the same interactions with Dean-Cas? Why this?

Dean is always ready to call Cas a "brother", but the only one true bromance here is Sam and Cas'. There are no longing stares, no weird sexual filled dialogue nor tension, NO LONGING STARES

Facts, my people. Facts

Episode 18:

"You killed my friend." "Oh, pff, Dean is fine, mostly. Can't you get past that?" "Never." (12:39)

Charlie being excited about meeting Dean's famous boyfriend is WHOLESOME (37:34)

To have Cas back, 100%, safe and sound, is a win for Dean (38:58) and the face Cas makes after Dean hits him with another no-homo "It's good to have you back, pal." is "UHH not this again". Charlie already ships it

Episode 20:

A #MARRIED couple and their daughter. NO ARGUMENTS VALID (7:06)

Look at how they enter the motel (16:22)

OH MY GOOOOOD!!! #PARENTS coming back home from shopping!! THE HAND ON THE SHOULDER!!! Also

"Happy birthday. I got it at the Hot Topical" DAD

Dean: "Imma head back over there." Cas: "I'm coming with you." Claire: "I'm coming with you too." (17:24) #FAMILY

A fucking family comedy about a dad confronting the daughter's boyfriend and the other dad scolding him:

"What did you do to him?" "I didn't lay a hand on him!" "Dean, that isn't exactly true." "... Well, I didn't kill the guy." (17:14)

Surprisingly enough, this is not the first nor last time Dean acts like a dad to a lost child (AND TWO OF THESE TIMES THE KID IS SOMEHOW RELATED TO CAS) (21:54)

Episode 22:

C: "Claire, you are not going out there. [...] It's too dangerous. I can't let anything happen to you." D: "Claire, you're not going." C: "You're not either, Dean." D: "What?" (19:29)

#FAMILY DON'T TALK TO ME!

"No fighting. [...] Both of you." AAAAAA

This doesn't fucking matter, but Dean just said "... for the ladies. Or the fellas. I don't judge." (36:23)

Cas' speech to Dean... wow. "So if there's even a small chance that we can save you... I won't let you walk out of this room." (39:20)

I hate this scene. (40:11)

Dean is overwhelmed by Charlie's death, Sam and Cas' betrayal, the Mark changing him and all the other shit.

The Mark is taking over, and Dean can't (and won't) help it. Cas knows it. He doesn't want to hurt Dean. He is not even resisting. Doesn't put up a fight.

And just like Colette with Cain, Castiel only asks Dean one thing: "Stop." (40:38) [9x11]

Parallel to 8x07:

The only thing that stops Cas from killing Dean, is him begging, clutching onto his sleeve.

"Dean... please..." (41:08) Cas pleading Dean, clutching to his arm, makes him resist the urge to kill him.

Episode 23:

You can find gifs and the script of some deleted (destiel) scenes in this post by @charlie-minion

As the Mark eats Dean... he starts feeling guilt for the people he hurt... first on the list: Cas (14:54)

(This gif is not mine)

Well... what a season.

[Season 11>>]

[dunmeshi]

(I'm answering like this bc I'm on mobile and this makes formatting easier)

Rose:

Favorite thing about her: fucking everything? She means so much to me it's impossible to really choose. I guess I could narrow it down to her relationship with Kanaya and her general status as a gay woman, as those are the parts of her that had the most impact on me, but I seriously love everything about her.

Least favorite thing: she only talked to Jade once! Very unfair, definitely lesbophobic, and probably criminal. Also her struggle with alcoholism made me cry.

Favorite line: there's a lot but I've been thinking about how "ROSE: It's just that with the clarity afforded by my new abilities, it occurred to me just now that dead horse was likely the beautiful pet pony my mother gave me recently. ROSE: It was crushed to death by your newborn ass. ROSE: You bastard." is underrated as hell.

BrOTP: John! It's like 90% projection but there canon interactions are great so its got foundation.

Otp: rosemary, which I'm sure is no surprise.

nOTP: I've seen d1rkrose b4 and yikes scoob

Random hc: this isnt necessarily random but I don't think anyone's pointed out I draw her with golden freckles. Also she has fought Dave over the pronunciation of 'ornery'(most southerners I encounter, including myself, say 'awn-ree').

Unpopular opinion: I can't think of any really? Maybe that she's a lesbian or things related to that but idk.

Song: b*tch I have a rose playlist. "Black Wave" by K. Flay and "Bobby Pins" by CBMC are two very different but very rose songs.

Favorite picture of her: I can't find it rn but her face right b4 she steals Karkat's book.

Kanaya:

Favorite thing: her relationship with motherhood and everything she says

Least favorite thing: she didn't get to use the matriorb, fucking robbed of her goal once again

Favorite line: this is adorable:

BrOTP: Dirk actually, they're insomniac buds who stay up together sewing and watching gorey movies. It pisses Vriska off. Jade is an extremely close second tho.

Otp: do I even have to say it?

nOTP: I'm gonna stab an er1kan someday

Random hc: okay so first off I hc basically every character i like as autistic, okay? And as part of my autism hc for Kanaya, I hc that she just really enjoys listening to certain people talk and she often ends up trailing people just so she can listen to them.

Unpopular opinion: her <> k@rkat is boring as hell and is quite literally forcing a much cooler girl into mothering the dumbass boy ppl stan.

Song: I need more Kanaya songs! But "Lesbian Vampyres From Outer Space" by Scary Bitches is a clear choice

Favorite picture:

This one.

Terezi:

Favorite thing: remem8er me reunion oh gosh. Also just her general weirdness + refusal to take shit

Least favorite thing: the fact she's lost in space looking for her gf (bring them both home hussie you coward)

Favorite line: god I can't look for lines bc of her quirk but her whole first conversation with rose is amazing. Also that point where she tells John she's going to kill him is hilarious.

BrOTP: oh man probably Aradia? There's so many options tho she's got good friendship potential with rose and kanaya and jade and

Otp: perhaps surprisingly, neprezi! It was one of my first hs ships so it holds a special place in my heart

nOTP: the clown

Random hc: she's by far my biggest autism hc and I could write a full on essay abt it.

Unpopular opinion: not really unpopular per se but she deserves a rant about how alternian society sucked to mirror Dave's, it'd make sense thematically and help make her character arc feel more wrapped up.

Song: "Blindness" by Metric

Favorite picture:

Relatable.

[andrewlloydwebber]

Um. You know RJDaae is also an E/C shipper right? But I don't see you bashing her or calling her a woman hater and an abuse apologist. Explain that. (Oh, and don't say anything like "yeah, but see explained herself, she does not condone abuse and misogyny even though she ships E/C" because half the Phandom has been trying to do just the same, explain themselves to you, and you just won't listen.)

I love how you fucking ignored that I have anon off for a fucking reason and made another tumblr just to annoy me (either because I have you blocked or you’re a coward)

Again, I never named anyone in the original UNTAGGED post, spooky decided to make it about them when I didn’t even know who the fuck they were beforehand. I didn’t name everyone, I was talking about a trend I’ve seen on tumblr, Instagram, ao3 and the like. It was never intended to be a post to be reblogged by people I didn’t know. 

I never called anyone specifically a woman hater. I called Spooky an rape apologist because they fucking reblogged a post saying it was okay for a celebrity to rape a fourteen year old girl “because he didn’t know her age”. I have no idea what any of these fanfics contain because I won’t subject myself to reading them. NO ONE has said anything to me about “this is how MY version of E/C is different”. Everyone just uses sassy gifs to an annoying extent and calls me a dyke and sends me gore.

 RJ and I are not mutuals but we are friendly and have talked on several occasions. I know from RJ’s passionate defense of Christine that she does not see her as a Barbie doll prize for Erik’s shitty life (and look, I am not accusing anyone here of doing that, as I have not read most of their posts or their fanfiction). I still will not read her fanfiction, although I’m sure it’s well written, as Birdie and I have had problems and besides, I don’t ship E/C and have no plans to start, so why would I? Chantelle is 27 fucking years old and has been a phan for a long time. I personally don’t agree with her shipping choices but I respect her.

Again, this post was about NO ONE IN PARTICULAR and a lot of people are so self conscious about this that they are making it about them, despite the fact that I make it a point to avoid Phamily blogs and didn’t even know who any of these people are!!!!

I don’t know why people value my opinion so much considering I’m pretty sure none of these blogs were following me since I don’t post 90% phantom of the opera. I am not a big name Phantom blogger and I only follow a limited amount of people. I simply made a post that showed up in tumblr search, and I guess sorry??? Am I not allowed to use the words “The Phantom of the Opera” without slashes on my own fucking personal blog? Again, this post had nothing to do necessarily with E/C, i think people also have unfair problems with the women in susan kay’s novel, Carlotta, etc. SPOOKY, YOU EXTRAPOLATED THAT THIS POST WAS APPLYING TO YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS WHEN I HAD NO IDEA WHO THE FUCK YOU WERE. Clearly you have some unresolved issues if you are hurt so deeply by a vague post by someone you don’t know. Clearly you have very supportive friends, but you all will enable racism and ableism in your corner of the phandom.

You all wildly misinterpreted RJ’s post on the subject, thinking an adult, respected BNF was giving you the all clear to feel good about yourself. Shipping does not exist in a vacuum. If you are going to ship something with this loaded power dynamics, go ahead, I won’t even bother trying to stop you. But you have to be conscious of what you are saying and doing, and not treated serious character flaws as hilarious little quirks. “LMAO Erik kidnapped Christine and drugged her! Problematic dumpster fire!”

Can I just request you leave me the fuck alone. Spooky, Elise, and Keurig, I’m awaiting my apology that I know I will never get. Oh well...

IT IS HIGHLY DISINGENUOUS TO INTERACT WITH THIS POST IF YOU HAVE ME BLOCKED SO YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING SNARKY WITH LITTLE GIF AND THINK YOU’VE WON SINCE I CAN’T RESPOND.