#tmagp social stigma

[lihim-oa]

I haven’t been on the tmagp tag on here that much so idk if this was an obvious take from the beginning but

I think Gwen is becoming the next “archivist”, Lena has been sending her on all these missions without help where she becomes utterly terrified of something, and now she has Inksoul practically giving her a statement

[captaincrazycreative]

When I first listened to this episode after the "nice skin" line I remember thinking that seemed like an awfully lesbian pause after that line and I'm already seeing Gwen/ink5oul posts pop up...you all get me you all are my people

[silly-lil-scribbles]

the return of “run.”

[lilaczx]

Live Blogging TMAGP: Ep 20 Social Stigma

Oh is Inksoul in this statement?

Me frml writing while eating a sandwich.

Yes more people getting in TMA because of their friends

Fuck I didn’t get an internship I applied for.

Let’s go red string

Who killed TMA

World ending things yeah

I love the joke for about the British Government

Okay so Alice is not joining.

Celia wants to be posted

So Sam is going down Jon’s route

Oh Inksoul

Are they tattooing on a dead body

Not Gwen with lovely skin

Oh so Inksoul is a external

Gwen that is low key kind of homophobic

Oh is Inksoul turning into an avatar

You know that is fair

Needing to pay rent be like that

The horror of being known and also having that power.

Also dealing with the haters.

Yeah psychological that is true negative emotions have more of an impact than positive.

Okay Plagiarism

The spiral and desolation

The corruption

That is violating consent

Oh shit.

Oh what happen to him

Okay so Inksoul is the desolation, web, and corruption

Oh course they are a heir

They are so Rich White kid

Oh why don’t you improvise on it.

Oh that is why they were digging up a body

Yeah drugging up clients is a smart move

Is there a sectioned police in this universe

Oh taking in that fear

Not Inksoul doing when ever they want

Wait Gwen has her brother’s interviewing skills

Gwen how do you know about the powers.?!?

Damn Gwen can be mean

Oh shit Gwen

Oh yeah this was my sandwich

[cirrus-grey]

They can't keep getting away with this.

[cinnabean3]

Man, what the fuck is in the Bouchard genes?

[thecorruption-thespiralsversion]

TMP 20 Social Stigma

Is a CAT1RAB

DPHW 2534

Transformation (Tattoo), Social Media (influencer)

It was about someone TRANSFORMATING into an avatar

TMP 1 First Shift, 2nd case

CAT23RAB

DPHW 2155

Transformation (eyes), Trespass

If we assume that then (R)ank A are cases about transforming into avatar. Then we can conclude (if correct) that the MFer for episode 1 case 2 got Jonah!ed..

Come on! They gouged out his eyes!

[fractal-voidling]

MAGP020 │ Social Stigma

CAT1RAB2534-12042024-12042024 Transformation (tattoo) -/- Social Media (influencer)

Alice, stfu

Right.

I mean, the one thing you can know for sure about what the O.I.A.R. looked like in 1999 is that they definitely had the same computer system and OS, lol

"Like, catastrophic, world-endingly bad." YUP

did you "find it out", or did you go through it yourself, CELIA?

"Shame. You’ve got lovely skin." y i k e s

local tattoo artist thinks she invented plagiarism

a fear eating tattoo artist, awesome

Gwen, Darling, you really need to stop provoking creatures much more powerful than you are

[rowanraven08]

Guys. Guys.

TMA 12 First Aid

TMAGP 20 Social Stigma

We know nothing about Gerry’s eye tattoos other than this, that they protected him from burns. How did he get them, why did they protect him? I just assumed it was the eye protecting him to an extent, but with the addition of Ink5oul and their information on Oscar Jarret? I hope this isn’t just a coincidence.

[theeldritchcorvid]

TMAGP and Power Imbalance

This maybe nothing but me conspiracy boarding again but does anyone else think that imbalance of power is a huge thing in TWO Externals now?

First Lady Mowbray, who is rich, a full aristocrat, and hires a catering company, automatically imbalancing the two in terms of social class and the customer holding power over the producers, and hunts them for sport, as well as watching them hunt each other: power between hunter/hunted and watcher/watched AS SEEN IN TMA.

And Ink5oul, who mentions at a few points feeling superior to the people they tattoo.

Exhibit A: 'So I lied and showed him a safer, tacky magic-shop design that he loved to get him on the table. After all, once he was face-down, I could put whatever I liked into his skin. Don’t forget: I’m the artist. He was just the canvas.' (TMAGP 20, Social Stigma)

Exhibit B: 'I know it was around the same time I started craving… “the look” more. Not the pleasure in a client’s eyes when they see their new skin, but the one I saw just before they went under: terror. Helplessness. And the certainty that they would wake up changed in a way they could not understand. It filled me up in a way… ' (From TMAGP 20, Social Stigma)

Often they refer to clients as 'the canvas' signifying a dehumanisation of their clients into objects for 'their' brilliance.

I may only be talking about this because it fits my theory that the Powers in this universe are linked to imbalance, in line with the alchemy theming of this show. But if I'm right it would be Fantastic.

All transcripts derived from the show transcripts.

[vicioustoker]

(mag 39, human remains // tmagp 20, social stigma)

what a silly goofy parallel

[disappointingcabbage]

TMAGP 20 thoughts, spoilers under the cut!!

The original title of the episode was Skin Deep, but they changed it to Social Stigma. Inch Resting… giving Ink5oul vibes…

Sam wants to talk to Alice and Celia Away From The Computers about the Magnus Institute. Smart but ineffective, though to be fair he doesn’t know they can listen on, like, every piece of technology imaginable lmao

poor Alice is Done With This Shit, understandable after her chat with Colin tbh

Oh shit Sam figured out the Protocol equals arson shenanigans…

The OIAR had the institute destroyed by Starkwall? I hate that that makes sense, I very much wanted Gertrude to have done it. Gobsmackingly uncommon L for arson grandma I guess.

Wait, not only did Starkwall burn the institute down, they also killed all the employees? Damn, seems like overkill but makes sense if that just means Elias wasn’t bluffing in TMA about how killing him kills everyone at the Institute.

I guess that means Jonah Magnus is super dead in this universe. Nice.

Also Gertrude either never worked for the Magnus Institute in this universe or she was able to quit before the Protocol was enacted and the institute was destroyed.

Alice makes a good point about not wanting to piss off the government by exposing real conspiracies, judging by the extreme nature of Arson Protocols, if Sam keeps digging deeper he could put himself and perhaps also Alice and Celia in serious danger

I love that Celia is advocating for Sam

THE LADS IN THE COMPUTER SENT SAM AN EMAIL WITH DOCUMENTS CONFIRMING THAT STARKWALL BURNED DOWN THE INSTITUTE???

But this time the email address that sent it was gibberish… I don’t think that was the case for the one that sent him Gerry’s address… inch resting…

The fact that they know they’re working for the bad guys this early on in comparison to TMA is really cool tbh

Celia is definitely not beating the universe hopping allegations with her “are we sure destroying the institute was a bad thing? They wanted to end the world” take

Alice is pulling a Georgie and noping out. Fair enough.

Celia’s still down to investigate, hell yeah

HOLY FUCKING SHIT INK5OUL MY BELOVED

Why are they tattooing in a warehouse? Odd choice of venue lmao

Oh, they’re tattooing a corpse. Sounds about right for them tbh.

The fact that they’re commenting on how Gwen has “nice skin” is giving me Nikola Orsinov vibes

The OIAR wants Ink5oul to be an external? Neat. Why weren’t they one already?

Oh shit Ink5oul seems to be in the middle of becoming an avatar and they don’t understand what the fuck is happening

They didn’t originally want to be Spooky, just wanted social media fame. Oof. Also doesn’t help that the first time they went viral it was a complete accident.

Oh shit the statement for this week is just Ink5oul talking to Gwen.

Lmao they accidentally stumbled into the spooky while looking for inspiration (and/or tattoo designs old enough to steal without getting caught)

So Oscar Jarrett was basically the original Ink5oul, and “adapting” his supernaturally flavored designs is the only thing that gets them fame

Ink5oul, bestie, I think your friends were right to be worried about you, not just jealous.

Oh shit Jarrett tattoos don’t decay? Funky!! That explains all the grave robbing.

It’s kind of hilarious that constantly changing venues due to running from the law just kind of helped with Ink5oul’s branding online like no one thought it was suspicious at all, they were just like “ooh spooky blorbo”

Oh damn, emulating Jarrett’s work changed Ink5oul’s own work and made it Spooky? AND it made them want to see people afraid? Yeah this is some avatar shit.

Ink5oul does not in fact want to be an external. That tracks tbh

Gwen do Not talk town to the spooky ink person

“This is the part where you start running” Gwen pissed off the wrong one lmao

[broodingheroine]

tmagp 20 thoughts

social stigma..... reminds me of the lady e one

sam I love how quickly you got on board with the "puters are listening to us"

what did they find out.

I don't like them referring to the institute as a killable entity

✨️mercenaries✨️

oh alice I believe you may in fact be doing covert protocol stuff

oh celia....... that IS a take

what do you mean "world-endingly bad" celia

see I appreciate the "bringing your coworkers in on the horrors" thing that protocol has going but I'm NOT appreciating the coworkers not being on board

INK5OUL!!!!

I love them

OH. THE OIAR IS THERE TO SCREEN STATEMENTS SO THEY CAN FIND EXTERNALS.

gwen you have a magical way of having tension with every person you meet

oh I love the artist getting haunted by their audience it's sooooo

ink with chemicals mixed in......

I'm really intrigued by the tattoo stuff. the skin never decayed???

"the certainty that they would wake up changed in a way they could not understand" I don't like that!

I'm so happy to get an idea of the transition into being an avatar/external/monster from the pov of someone other than jonathon sims

the "have I always been like this, or have I changed" is soooooo good

gwen.... gwen run. GWEN RUN.

THATS WHERE IT ENDS????

god okay okay okay.

so I love ink5oul I think they are so utterly fascinating

they remind me of jude perry a little? the way they're so fixated on the power they've been given. the almost reverence they give it.

celia is still sketching me out a lil btw. she just rubs me the wrong way.

anyway those are all the thoughts I can actually write down and aren't just incoherent noises

[akalikai]

TMAGP EP 20 REACTION (SPOILERS)

Firstly before I even START, it's called social stigma. PLEASE tell me it's not another social influencer one I'm begging you I cannot take another laughing fit like ep 16.

Also wait the dedication is so me

WAIT ALICE CAME AS WELL??? ALSO HELLO SAMALICELIA PROTOCULE

Alice. Did you really talk him OUT of it??? Because lats I remember, Colin slammed the door in your face.

"It's more about who killed the Magnus Institute" DAMN

Okay I did kind of suspect that the OIAR had a hand in destroying the institute. But like also Alice knows a bit too much about Starkwell. Something you wanna tell us, honey?

SAM'S TALKING ABOUT THE PROTOCOL HOLY SHIT.

Alice babygirl. The things you are saying seem like you're actually inadvertedly conforming all of Sam's suspicions. Like are you saying there IS a government conspiracy???

Okay I love Alice but she's starting to take the s1 Jon route where she refuses to believe things are supernatural or suspicious to the the point where it actually makes LESS sense. Someone is gonna get hurt because of that. And if it's Sam, Alice is going to be in a WHOLE different world of guilt.

DID JON SEND SAM THE EMAIL ABOUT THE STARKWALL 1999 REPORTS???

Alice sweetie you have a point but being so...Dismissive of it when there's CLEARLY something was just not the way. Sam is obviously the kind of person who will keep digging unless you directly tell him the truth.

"We already know we work in a global atrocity factory. It's called the British Government" God Alice I love you

Alice's hatred for England fucking SENDS me I love this woman

I get where Alice is coming from like she's right unfortunately. But I think she's very much blocking out the supernatural part of it and seeing it more as a conspiracy theory than something. Yknow. Horror-y

CELIA IS DEFINITELY FROM THE TMA-VERSE HOLY SHIT BECAUSE IF SHE KNOWS WHAT THE INSTITUTE CAUSED IN TMA-VERSE, NO WONDER SHE THINKS IT WASNT THE WRONG IDEA TO DESTROY IT.

"Catastrophic, world-ending" HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT YEAH THATS BASICALLY CONFIRMATION. BECAUSE THE WORLD DID END. THE APOCALYPSE HAPPENED.

Oh Alice...this is going to drive such a wedge between Alice and Sam. I think the funniest thing is that Alice is absolutely not going to be able to stay away from the "hornet's nest", as she puts it.

At least Sam has Celia on his side, I guess?

OH MY GOD WE MET INK5OUL IM ABOUT TO FUCKING LOSE IT.

Ink5oul is giving Jude Perry why are they annoyingly hot

"Shame. You've got lovely skin" Ooooo Gwen is the hot tattoo artist hitting on youuuu

FUCK WHY ARE THEY SO HOT

Oh???? Hello wait what???? Does Ink5oul. Not know what they are???

OH NO DONT DO THIS TO ME I INK5OUL ABOUT TO GET BLORBOFIED. BECAUSE I WILL TAKE IT OF COURSE BUT THIS WAS NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING

Ink5oul is self-aware??? Oh God could they get sexier???

Something something addiction to being seeing or being known is so much the opposite of The Eye which is the fear of being seen or being known.

"Tattooed Prince Albert's cock or something" WHAT

Does this count as stealing designs??? Because the og artists is long dead but Ink5oul never says they referenced his work. It's important to me as an artist SO

OKAY SO Ink5oul's tattoos are like...Predictive? Like whatever they tattoo will most probably lead to the person's method of death?

The pipeline of small influencer to...whatever the fuck Ink5oul became

"The ink flows through me" BENDY IS THAT YOU AND YOUR INK MACHINE????

Hmmm so Ink5oul slowly became an external but rly without even their knowledge. Is this them becoming less human??

"Thats...very eloquent" GWEN GIRL WHAT DO YOU EVEN MEAN

Gwen you chose the WRONG PERSON to bite back against girl WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF

GWEN YOU IDIOT YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST AS BAD AS JON WHY DO YOU PISS OFF THINGS THAT CAN KILL YOU literally this reminds me of Jon yelling at Not-Sasha to shut up in ep 79 of TMA.

Hmmm wait okay so Sam actually heard the first Ink5oul case in episode 2, so I wonder if Gwen ever manages to open up to him again (Which I completely understand if she doesn't) he might believe her because he's heard what Ink5oul's tattoos can do. But like. Again very unlikely since Mr. Khalid over here really fucked up in ep 18.

It really interests me though that Ink5oul has no idea what happened to them. I looked up Sutherland Macdonald, nothing of note. But I think it's pretty obvious that by TMAGP, they found out the tattoo on the dead body was an Oscar Jarrett tattoo and was looking to get some... face-to-face inspiration.

I'm worried about Sam and Alice. I mean honestly, Alice does have full right to step away from all of this but her dismissiveness of Sam this whole time probably doesn't help her when it comes to him. She wants to protect him, but he wants the truth. It actually makes me slightly more sure that the Dyer in the ARG was probably her pre-transition because of the empathy levels. Not that she doesn't feel empathy, but I don't think she feels like there's anything she can say to change things, so she doesn't try. Which is exactly what she says in this ep.

Anyways ummmm SamCelia shippers I get you they're actually pretty cute and it does make me happy to see that someone is supporting Sam and genuinely hearing him out since absolutely no one else he's talked to about this will.

[cirrus-grey]

Any old Archives fans remember that theory from late S3 that Gertrude had put some kind of anti-Corruption spell on her, and that was why her skin was still in good enough condition for Nikola to wear even after being buried for so long?

Anyway. I think she had an Oscar Jarrett tattoo.

[cirrus-grey]

I must say, I find it curious that they chose the word "killed" for the destruction of the Institute.