#thiollier my beloved

[claustro-agora]

I’ve been thoroughly art-blocked to hell (hence the lack of posting) so here’s some self indulgent art of my tarnished and Thiollier because I love him dearly.

(SOTE screenshots below)

[chocojellyy]

so cute! <3

As weak as a kitten, as thick as two planks of wood

[eldenringslut]

If anyone makes or finds some Thiollier fanart or fanfiction please sent it to me or @ me 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

I am starved of Thiollier content :(

[259kmvn]

emancipation and forgiveness

you, miquella's loyal knight from his time at the haligtree, had successfully saved him from godhood without having to kill him. you'd returned him his every flesh and fear and love against his desire, and now embark on your journey home. post-god!miquella x knight!reader

"come home, my lord miquella. you have no fate in godhood." you whispered, stitching his soul into all that you'd collected of him. "let radahn rest," you regarded radahn's corpse from the corner of your eye, "and yourself too."

you shook the memory from your mind as you watched miquella walk from a distance. a part of you felt relief for him, and another felt melancholy- but you're grateful that you could feel for him in the first place.

because after retrieving his self, it took miquella two years to warm up to you. he had his grievances. his half-brother who was meant to be his consort was killed, his plan to achieve godhood and create a better world was destroyed, and his own trusted knight seemingly betrayed him.

despite that, there was gratefulness to be had. being reunited with himself gave him back his emotions, and he could feel again. he felt fear and he felt anger and he felt pain, and he felt love. a deep conflict to thank you and curse you settled in his heart. therefore, to quell his dilemmas, miquella requested for time to grieve his fates. making up for the sadness he could not experience.

miquella tread past the land of shadow back to his haligtree with you in tow; distances apart but always together. he cried endlessly, day and night, what with the walk back being much more taxing without his spectral steed.

but the journey home meant a lot to miquella. he had no ties to godhood. he was freed- from his curse, having kept his grown corpus; and from his husk of godship. he'd witnessed creatures, friends and foes; the embodiment of st trina who wept when she saw him, thiollier and his passion for sleep, the beasts and dragons who paid him no mind (until they did, and you swiftly dealt with them).

for the first time, miquella felt no need to suffice and make up for the lost sins of his mother. he experienced the world as is, and it carried more compassion than he could ever wield. perhaps it was because he was stripped entirely of it; and feeling even a tinge of love in such a state could be overwhelming. perhaps that was what needed to happen for him to realise that-

he need not be a god for compassion to flow in his beloved lands.

only at that realisation did he finally stop crying. you noticed this. it was at during time when the both of you slept on an isolated cliff, with miquella amongst the grass and you amongst the trees. where he would usually weep to sleep, he just breathed and dozed off. and when the sun rose, so did he. but this time, he cried not. he simply sat and watched, silently letting the rays overcome his skin.

"y/n?" he'd called out. the call was familiar, reminiscent of the times he would do so at the haligtree.

"i'm here, my lord." you responded in haste. maintaining your position on the tree branches. "what can i do for you?"

"come here, y/n."

it had been two years since he addressed you directly, all the more requesting for your presence. he'd been grieving, after all. so this was a shock to you- a shock second only to his halted tears. but you heeded your lord's command and dropped down by him.

miquella gestured at his lap. a silent demand for you to rest your head on it. if it was anyone else, you would have slapped their senses into them. but this was miquella, and this was an old routine. so, like you'd done so many times at the haligtree, you slowly let the weight of your head fall onto his lap. silent, he started weaving flowers into your hair.

your eyes were closed, yet you felt miquella's gaze as intensely as ever. they were tender, his hands, and you could not help but sigh out relief.

miquella's voice broke the tense but gentle silence. "i... had been mistaken." he started, voice tainted with regret. "about mercy.. compassion.. godhood."

you pressed your lips together, eyebrows tense from anticipation. receiving your lord's words after a long, long while was not as easy as you expected.

"although i have lived longer than you, you've taught me more than i could have gained in my lifetime," his voice was as tender as his fingers, "i'm-" and he choked up, "i'm sorry."

his fingers stopped, and teardrops fell to your skin. "i thought- i thought i was doing the right thing," his words fell between sobs, "i didn't know.. how much i- i-"

you grasped miquella's fingers and brought them near your lips. with your eyes still closed, you interrupted- "who are you apologising to, my lord miquella?" it was like you knew the answer, and only wanted for him to realise it.

right. who was he apologising to? miquella felt the graze of your lips against his skin and looked into his thoughts. in them, he saw his mother. his twin sister. his half-brothers. he saw the haligtree and its residents, and you amongst them. he saw the world and the creatures he encountered, hostile and not, and he saw st trina. finally, he saw the one he'd wronged the most. himself.

miquella sobbed,

and you silently received his tears.

[thewisecheerio]

Big shout out to Thops for being like, "I'm a bluntstone, useless, I cannot teach you anything worthy" and then inventing a spell that:

is described as "worthy of a new conspectus", or an entirely new field of magical study

is a completely unique hybrid magic that can deflect BOTH sorceries and incantations

costs no FP under some circumstances, and low FP under the rest

is the only purely defensive glintstone sorcery besides Scholar's Shield (which requires a physical shield, where Thops's Barrier does not!)

can deflect projectiles from a literal god

"I'm a useless bluntstone", yeah sure okay. Thops walked so Thiollier could run. Sad little wet cats, my beloved.

[chocojellyy]

MY EEPY BOY!!💜

weak as a kitten and thick as two planks

[bigteefers]

Thiollier my beloved

[hoarah-babylon]

started redoing this in procreate but i kind of like it just how it looks as a sketch. thiollier my beloved <3

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[bihansthot]

So here he is! Aristides, Ari for short, he’s Thiollier’s younger twin brother. While journeying on their quest to find St. Trina, Ari becomes mesmerized by Messmer and abandons his quest to stay with his beloved. He’s very frail in appearance but wields a great axe with surprising ease.

I don’t have a whole lot filled out about him yet but he no longer seeks the power of the Elden Ring since he just wants to stay by Messmer’s side. He loves the snakes and is often chastised by a frustrated Messmer to stop coddling them.

I very much wanted to base their relationship off the old Roman/Theban kind of battle husband type situation, the name of which escapes me at the moment, where you have the older more capable soldier as the dominant member of the relationship and the younger more enthusiastic one being the submissive member. Messmer is the dominant one while Ari is the submissive one but that doesn’t mean he won’t defeat foe after foe to keep Messmer unharmed.

I might flesh things out more when I finally finish the DLC (watching my partner play it currently) but yeah that’s my new tarnished! Hopefully y’all like him and hopefully Messmer does too 🤣

[avesomnia-inhoramortis]

[ooc] trina-as-white-king asker here… i really enjoyed the previous post expanding on your thoughts. this too is mostly just rambling, please feel free to discard this from your inbox, i’m just so mesmerized by miquellatrina relationship and want so much to talk deeply about them with someone haha, analysis on them like the ones you’ve written down is such a salvation.

trina in her capacity as a maiden in the tower, as it is, has been really fascinating to me, even more so for the fact that i think she is much less passive than most are to believe. since elden ring is so entrenched in arturian ideals i always loved her as the lady of the lake. trina is submerged in water, her roots growing deep, her connection to lilies a light link to 'the romance of the water lily' being one of the lady's earliest written records. the proverbial sword the lady gives being the intangible, desperate & translucent instillation of the all consuming desire to kill miquella, once being hers, now passed down to thiollier & most of all the player. an analysis in the same vein of the same way you could interpret her and miquella’s respective positions as hell and heaven, physically the highest point and the lowest point. miquella ascends to heaven by casting trina to hell, to rebirth and give new life violence is a necessary thing.

it all entwines so nicely with your alchemization view on them — before the dlc released i had wanted trina to be specifically more masculine as a contrast to miquella… trina as the white king is so deeply satisfying for me because of this. you speak of her like an equalizer, which i agree with: even in the domain of sleep, i don’t believe any of the demigods are unique to it. a balancing beam act that she holds in place with her own too hands, the saint balancing the scales. her and miquella both bear such weight for children!

& the trans readings for miquella.. so delicious. i favor transfem miquella so tenderly but i really like what you’ve put down here! the desire be freed from the confines of the princess and the tower. trina being the opposite to him is really sweet to me too.. but i can imagine her just forsaking all of it, the will and the answer beyond any system. the cherry on top for me — you mentioned in your other post miquellatrina being, romantic like an experimentation for curiosity around lust. i was thinking about this for so long too! i think there’s a love there too deep and entrenched to reduce to simple physicality but on some level i don’t think the game tells you that marika and radagon’s relationship bore fruit despite them being one-of-the-same-whole just for you to think that their child’s relationship with his own other self was entirely chaste. i really enjoy them being the measure of all of each other… a first time together and perhaps a last as well. they follow in the path of their parents but something is vitally missing. what does it mean to be a child, eternally, what can they not have, and what can they freely take? what is allowed to them, and what is given, and what can they take? they’re so very similar but too different that they would always have been doomed to separation, in some grotesque and beautiful way. anyways. in any case they’re so so beloved to me i’ll definitely be thinking about these ideas for a while.

[ooc]

Ohhh my god I love all of this. I love all of this so much. And I definitely agree with transfem Miquella, I've just been going the angst route of "for my goals and what I want I can't AFFORD to be a woman", shoving down who he's meant to be for practicality's sake. He'd sacrifice anything for his sister. Including himself, and his own wants. He's already dealing with the age dysphoria, more on top of that is nothing right?

I NEED to read more Arthuriana, I've just read a couple of obscure ones like Sir Gowther and that one about the lord cursed to be a werewolf, and then I listen to a lot of Arthuriana-themed music sometimes. Tarnished Silver by Heather Dale is one I actually put on my Trina playlist.

I also absolutely analyze and characterize them through the lens of DID. It's not entirely accurate, obviously, considering the strong fantasy elements of everything going on, but the relationship between headmates is something really hard to explain or define well and I love slipping stuff like that into my writing. Like... you grew up together, so that could make you siblings, but it doesn't. You technically have the same family, but really only one of you does. No one else can love you like someone who has seen every thought and reason firsthand. You live inside eachother and haven't spoken in months. You miss eachother even though you have the same heartbeat. You kiss a boy for the first time but the person that finishes the kiss isn't you. It's complicated.

They're so very very wonderful and I'm so glad people are enjoying my rambles, PLEASE come back and ramble anytime.

[hog-fiend]

I have gotten sick of people being wrong in the notes of this post so I will now elaborate on my (correct) opinions.

Anyway the reason I say that miquella 'mindraped' mohg is because the game quote explicitly tells you (ansbach's dialogue) that prior to cocooning himself in the haligtree, he enchanted mohg. Given that Mohg's behaviour involves calling miquella beloved, and offering himself as a consort to the new god he's trying to awaken, it is reasonable to make the conclusion that there is a romantic/sexual subtext to this enchantment, on the level of weird metaphorical demi-god sex.

Beyond that subtext, miquella's plan from the beginning involved transporting himself to the land of shadow to become a new god. To do this, mohg's cocoon thing and bloody communion was necessary, so the people saying mohg kidnapped miquella without his consent are wrong in that regard.

Anyway miquella's sin probably is Caelid, but not in a 'oops forgot to fix it lol' way. He wanted Radahn to be his promised consort, which required Radahn to die. Either Radahn reneged on their promise and was not cool with dying and marrying his little brother, meaning malenia nuked Caelid on Miquella's orders to Miquella could mindrape another of his brothers, or Radahn wanted a big fight just because, meaning malenia nuked Caelid on Miquella's orders BC Radahn loved war just that much.

Once in the land of shadows, Miquella goes about trying to become god. He abandons St Trina, his better half, who explicitly tells you to kill him because his becoming god will hurt him as well as the rest of the world. He enchants various schmucks who follow him around until his great rune breaks and they all kill each other (thiollier, ansbach, Leda, etc). He defiles Mohg's corpse and uses it to host the spirit of Radahn, who is explicitly his husband and lord.

And all of that is by far the most interesting stuff Miquella has done. I like miquella. He's not my favourite character, but I appreciate a holier-than-thou megalomaniacal mindraping brotherfucker as much as the next FromSoft player. If you're looking for an uwu cinnamon roll failboy whump victim twink then idk go play genshin.

Also it's weird how invested ppl are in the youth and victimhood of conventionally attractive blond child. Giving pedo vibes tbh

people seem desperate to minimise the moral wrongdoing of miquella, and I legitimately cannot tell why. it seems to be a pretty common take that miquella bewitched mohg after being taken from the haligtree, a sort of 'last resort' mindrape, but that's not true. he had to have bewitched mohg before going into the cocoon, because ansbach dueled miquella for mohg's freedom and lost. unless he lost a fight to a fucking cocoon this places the time period of mohg's bewitchment prior to miquella's hibernation.

why get so attached to the moral purity of a character? im a big fan of ranni. especially love how she orchestrated the death of her half(?)-brother which directly caused the outbreak of the Death Blight, killing thousands, and contributed to the Shattering. her ruthlessness and callous selfishness are characteristics i am enamoured by. similarly, i really like mohg's blood cult full of serial killers dedicated to a sinister outer god. also a big fan of miquella's casual disregard for the emotions and free will of others! ranni without her scheming or mohg without his insanity just wouldn't be the same, and miquella as a completely innocent victim is uninteresting.

[eldenringslut]

*inhales*

THIOLLIER

Maybe Fromsoft fans are just universally masochists but I find myself wanting to top a lot of the characters that other people want to bottom for.

Examples include

Varre: people simp for him because he’s a manipulative bastard and calls you ‘lambkin’, but he’s actually a sopping wet cat who begs pathetically when you beat him in a fight. I absolutely want to call him on his bullshit and watch him try desperately to think of a way out if the situation.

Boggart: yeah he’s muscular and hot but he is an absolute malewife. He wants nothing more than to cook in peace, and I personally would love to save him from the Dung Eater and carry him blushing to safety.

Malenia: now I absolutely understand the love for a strong woman who can easily murder me. But I like to headcanon Malenia as being absolutely hopeless at anything that isn’t combat. I think she would be a blushing mess in any romantic setting and I would love to gently take care of her and give her affection.

Ranni: with her I think it would be more of a back and forth thing, but i would love to tease the tsundere doll whenever she accidentally says something heartfelt and tries to play it off.

I’m a switch who loves to affectionately tease and fluster people people idk