#thiollier my beloved

[misanthropicentropy]

I’ve been thoroughly art-blocked to hell (hence the lack of posting) so here’s some self indulgent art of my tarnished and Thiollier because I love him dearly.

(SOTE screenshots below)

[lunachuu]

so cute! <3

As weak as a kitten, as thick as two planks of wood

[eldenringslut]

If anyone makes or finds some Thiollier fanart or fanfiction please sent it to me or @ me 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

I am starved of Thiollier content :(

[thewisecheerio]

Big shout out to Thops for being like, "I'm a bluntstone, useless, I cannot teach you anything worthy" and then inventing a spell that:

is described as "worthy of a new conspectus", or an entirely new field of magical study

is a completely unique hybrid magic that can deflect BOTH sorceries and incantations

costs no FP under some circumstances, and low FP under the rest

is the only purely defensive glintstone sorcery besides Scholar's Shield (which requires a physical shield, where Thops's Barrier does not!)

can deflect projectiles from a literal god

"I'm a useless bluntstone", yeah sure okay. Thops walked so Thiollier could run. Sad little wet cats, my beloved.

[mytypeismohg]

Wow I never thought I'd see people aggressively going after Ansbach now, just because they can't dig up enough shit on Mohg lmao. Nearly everyone knows Mohg is kinda crazy and obviously blood thirsty, that has nothing to do with Miquella’s actions. Mohg was stated to have abducted and experimented on the War Surgeons and a merchant for some reason, and corrupted plenty of Tarnished. Just as the game made it quite explicit that Miquella has charmed MANY people, and that, yes, his charm "compels love". WAY before the dlc...Do I believe Mohg’s romantic attraction specifically was caused by Miquella? No. I believe that's a Mohg thing, or Mohg is just a remnant of some cut disturbing lore. The obsessive and serving attitude? Yes. That is literally a part of Miquella’s bewitchment. There's a reason the prattling pate "My beloved" is found in the Haligtree, because despite love being "fickle" in the Lands Between, love for Miquella is very common.

"The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people".

The dlc actually seemed to tone down the obsessive behavior for Miquella by his charmed subjects ironically lol, more so putting them in a passive sedation with their goals still partially intact (unless it affects his own, like Thiollier and Ansbach. Hornsent still remembers his hatred for Messmer etc.) rather than 24/7 guarding a single Miquella’s Lilly with their life and blowing themselves up in desperation, hoping for his return.

"Spirits of common soldiers who carry the sacred light. When weakened, they explode to deliver a last-ditch attack. This was the bitter revelation discovered by the desperate soldiers who awaited the return of their lord to the rotted Haligtree. May the flash of our deaths guide Miquella's return."

I agree the whole "Miquella is literally Griffith, Miquella is more evil than Marika, Miquella is literally Satan" stuff is dumb, but he isn't some defenseless 'damsel in distress' either. (That might be Godrick /jk)

We all know that Miquella can use powerful holy incantations due to the dlc, but a cut item seems to suggest he had that power far before his attempted ascension.

From Sekiro Dubi on X/Twitter -

Miquella has power beyond his charming abilities, he literally obtained/learned these types of incantations from Radagon.

"One of the incantations of the Golden Order fundamentalists. Produces three rings of light and fires them forwards. The rings of light return to a position close to the caster before disappearing. This incantation can be cast repeatedly. A gift from the young Miquella to his father, Radagon."

Miquella is not weak and helpless, he only appears to be due to his curse. He's literally called "the most fearsome Empyrean" for a reason.

Ansbach has nothing to do with anything, I could have easily deduced that Miquella was brainwashing people far before the dlc, the evidence is right there in the base game. Just like somehow some ppl are shocked to find out that Trina is a part of Miquella and think the dlc added that in too. It was all there from the beginning.

Speaking of that, why does no one find Thiollier's obsessive love for Trina odd too? She's part of Miquella.

"Silver sword carried by clerics of St. Trina. Inflicts sleep ailment upon foes.St. Trina is an enigmatic figure. Some say she is a comely young girl, others are sure he is a boy. The only certainty is that their appearance was as sudden as their disappearance."

"A talisman depicting a smiling St. Trina, a vision conjured deep within a certain man's heart. Raises attack power when sleep is triggered in the vicinity. 'Only I am allowed to know. Of your velvety sleep. Its sweetly gentle embrace. So please, smile—for me, and only me.'"

Certain man is Thioller obviously.

Unrelated but I wonder if the description on the Torch was suggesting what may have happened to Trina had she ascended along with Miquella.

"Candlestand torch that burns with a light-purple flame. The carvings depict St. Trina, but in adult form, somewhat unnervingly.

The light-purple flame induces sleep"

[lunachuu]

MY EEPY BOY!!💜

weak as a kitten and thick as two planks

[bigteefers]

Thiollier my beloved

[hoarah-babylon]

started redoing this in procreate but i kind of like it just how it looks as a sketch. thiollier my beloved <3

[details below]

[bihansthot]

So here he is! Aristides, Ari for short, he’s Thiollier’s younger twin brother. While journeying on their quest to find St. Trina, Ari becomes mesmerized by Messmer and abandons his quest to stay with his beloved. He’s very frail in appearance but wields a great axe with surprising ease.

I don’t have a whole lot filled out about him yet but he no longer seeks the power of the Elden Ring since he just wants to stay by Messmer’s side. He loves the snakes and is often chastised by a frustrated Messmer to stop coddling them.

I very much wanted to base their relationship off the old Roman/Theban kind of battle husband type situation, the name of which escapes me at the moment, where you have the older more capable soldier as the dominant member of the relationship and the younger more enthusiastic one being the submissive member. Messmer is the dominant one while Ari is the submissive one but that doesn’t mean he won’t defeat foe after foe to keep Messmer unharmed.

I might flesh things out more when I finally finish the DLC (watching my partner play it currently) but yeah that’s my new tarnished! Hopefully y’all like him and hopefully Messmer does too 🤣

[avesomnia-inhoramortis]

[ooc] trina-as-white-king asker here… i really enjoyed the previous post expanding on your thoughts. this too is mostly just rambling, please feel free to discard this from your inbox, i’m just so mesmerized by miquellatrina relationship and want so much to talk deeply about them with someone haha, analysis on them like the ones you’ve written down is such a salvation.

trina in her capacity as a maiden in the tower, as it is, has been really fascinating to me, even more so for the fact that i think she is much less passive than most are to believe. since elden ring is so entrenched in arturian ideals i always loved her as the lady of the lake. trina is submerged in water, her roots growing deep, her connection to lilies a light link to 'the romance of the water lily' being one of the lady's earliest written records. the proverbial sword the lady gives being the intangible, desperate & translucent instillation of the all consuming desire to kill miquella, once being hers, now passed down to thiollier & most of all the player. an analysis in the same vein of the same way you could interpret her and miquella’s respective positions as hell and heaven, physically the highest point and the lowest point. miquella ascends to heaven by casting trina to hell, to rebirth and give new life violence is a necessary thing.

it all entwines so nicely with your alchemization view on them — before the dlc released i had wanted trina to be specifically more masculine as a contrast to miquella… trina as the white king is so deeply satisfying for me because of this. you speak of her like an equalizer, which i agree with: even in the domain of sleep, i don’t believe any of the demigods are unique to it. a balancing beam act that she holds in place with her own too hands, the saint balancing the scales. her and miquella both bear such weight for children!

& the trans readings for miquella.. so delicious. i favor transfem miquella so tenderly but i really like what you’ve put down here! the desire be freed from the confines of the princess and the tower. trina being the opposite to him is really sweet to me too.. but i can imagine her just forsaking all of it, the will and the answer beyond any system. the cherry on top for me — you mentioned in your other post miquellatrina being, romantic like an experimentation for curiosity around lust. i was thinking about this for so long too! i think there’s a love there too deep and entrenched to reduce to simple physicality but on some level i don’t think the game tells you that marika and radagon’s relationship bore fruit despite them being one-of-the-same-whole just for you to think that their child’s relationship with his own other self was entirely chaste. i really enjoy them being the measure of all of each other… a first time together and perhaps a last as well. they follow in the path of their parents but something is vitally missing. what does it mean to be a child, eternally, what can they not have, and what can they freely take? what is allowed to them, and what is given, and what can they take? they’re so very similar but too different that they would always have been doomed to separation, in some grotesque and beautiful way. anyways. in any case they’re so so beloved to me i’ll definitely be thinking about these ideas for a while.

[ooc]

Ohhh my god I love all of this. I love all of this so much. And I definitely agree with transfem Miquella, I've just been going the angst route of "for my goals and what I want I can't AFFORD to be a woman", shoving down who he's meant to be for practicality's sake. He'd sacrifice anything for his sister. Including himself, and his own wants. He's already dealing with the age dysphoria, more on top of that is nothing right?

I NEED to read more Arthuriana, I've just read a couple of obscure ones like Sir Gowther and that one about the lord cursed to be a werewolf, and then I listen to a lot of Arthuriana-themed music sometimes. Tarnished Silver by Heather Dale is one I actually put on my Trina playlist.

I also absolutely analyze and characterize them through the lens of DID. It's not entirely accurate, obviously, considering the strong fantasy elements of everything going on, but the relationship between headmates is something really hard to explain or define well and I love slipping stuff like that into my writing. Like... you grew up together, so that could make you siblings, but it doesn't. You technically have the same family, but really only one of you does. No one else can love you like someone who has seen every thought and reason firsthand. You live inside eachother and haven't spoken in months. You miss eachother even though you have the same heartbeat. You kiss a boy for the first time but the person that finishes the kiss isn't you. It's complicated.

They're so very very wonderful and I'm so glad people are enjoying my rambles, PLEASE come back and ramble anytime.

[hog-fiend]

I have gotten sick of people being wrong in the notes of this post so I will now elaborate on my (correct) opinions.

Anyway the reason I say that miquella 'mindraped' mohg is because the game quote explicitly tells you (ansbach's dialogue) that prior to cocooning himself in the haligtree, he enchanted mohg. Given that Mohg's behaviour involves calling miquella beloved, and offering himself as a consort to the new god he's trying to awaken, it is reasonable to make the conclusion that there is a romantic/sexual subtext to this enchantment, on the level of weird metaphorical demi-god sex.

Beyond that subtext, miquella's plan from the beginning involved transporting himself to the land of shadow to become a new god. To do this, mohg's cocoon thing and bloody communion was necessary, so the people saying mohg kidnapped miquella without his consent are wrong in that regard.

Anyway miquella's sin probably is Caelid, but not in a 'oops forgot to fix it lol' way. He wanted Radahn to be his promised consort, which required Radahn to die. Either Radahn reneged on their promise and was not cool with dying and marrying his little brother, meaning malenia nuked Caelid on Miquella's orders to Miquella could mindrape another of his brothers, or Radahn wanted a big fight just because, meaning malenia nuked Caelid on Miquella's orders BC Radahn loved war just that much.

Once in the land of shadows, Miquella goes about trying to become god. He abandons St Trina, his better half, who explicitly tells you to kill him because his becoming god will hurt him as well as the rest of the world. He enchants various schmucks who follow him around until his great rune breaks and they all kill each other (thiollier, ansbach, Leda, etc). He defiles Mohg's corpse and uses it to host the spirit of Radahn, who is explicitly his husband and lord.

And all of that is by far the most interesting stuff Miquella has done. I like miquella. He's not my favourite character, but I appreciate a holier-than-thou megalomaniacal mindraping brotherfucker as much as the next FromSoft player. If you're looking for an uwu cinnamon roll failboy whump victim twink then idk go play genshin.

Also it's weird how invested ppl are in the youth and victimhood of conventionally attractive blond child. Giving pedo vibes tbh

people seem desperate to minimise the moral wrongdoing of miquella, and I legitimately cannot tell why. it seems to be a pretty common take that miquella bewitched mohg after being taken from the haligtree, a sort of 'last resort' mindrape, but that's not true. he had to have bewitched mohg before going into the cocoon, because ansbach dueled miquella for mohg's freedom and lost. unless he lost a fight to a fucking cocoon this places the time period of mohg's bewitchment prior to miquella's hibernation.

why get so attached to the moral purity of a character? im a big fan of ranni. especially love how she orchestrated the death of her half(?)-brother which directly caused the outbreak of the Death Blight, killing thousands, and contributed to the Shattering. her ruthlessness and callous selfishness are characteristics i am enamoured by. similarly, i really like mohg's blood cult full of serial killers dedicated to a sinister outer god. also a big fan of miquella's casual disregard for the emotions and free will of others! ranni without her scheming or mohg without his insanity just wouldn't be the same, and miquella as a completely innocent victim is uninteresting.

[eldenringslut]

*inhales*

THIOLLIER

Maybe Fromsoft fans are just universally masochists but I find myself wanting to top a lot of the characters that other people want to bottom for.

Examples include

Varre: people simp for him because he’s a manipulative bastard and calls you ‘lambkin’, but he’s actually a sopping wet cat who begs pathetically when you beat him in a fight. I absolutely want to call him on his bullshit and watch him try desperately to think of a way out if the situation.

Boggart: yeah he’s muscular and hot but he is an absolute malewife. He wants nothing more than to cook in peace, and I personally would love to save him from the Dung Eater and carry him blushing to safety.

Malenia: now I absolutely understand the love for a strong woman who can easily murder me. But I like to headcanon Malenia as being absolutely hopeless at anything that isn’t combat. I think she would be a blushing mess in any romantic setting and I would love to gently take care of her and give her affection.

Ranni: with her I think it would be more of a back and forth thing, but i would love to tease the tsundere doll whenever she accidentally says something heartfelt and tries to play it off.

I’m a switch who loves to affectionately tease and fluster people people idk