#theyre both smart but stupid in different ways

[kil9]

lalo salamanca is my quirky babygirl and nacho varga is my poorest kitty meow meow. theyre jumping into the ceiling together <333

[phagodyke]

thinking abt the touden siblings got me sniffling and weeping....

[transgenderer]

this is really stupid meta-discourse but i feel like theres been too much of a counter-reaction to "dunmeshi is unique" as a take. like, obviously its not totally unique, pretty much any art is in conversation with other art but like. i mean as someone very into speculative fiction, speculative fiction that's like, sincerely interested in themes, and also approaches those themes in a non-shallow way, is pretty rare. i mean this is mostly sturgeon's law but even beyond that. like, dungeon meshi is the work of fiction ive consumed (lol) most interested in the concept of eating. thats so weird and unique. its not a manga about cooking (these are a whole thing), or about hunting, its a manga about eating! and it comes up with lots of different ways to talk and think about eating. thats so cool and weird and interesting! dungeon meshi is much less..."smart" than disco elysium but i think theyre both equally unique (disco elysium is interesting in things that are much more common to be interested in), and the amount of unique they are is "very"

[oh-allie]

PSA ABOUT STANLEY PINES AND HOW HE ISNT STUPID WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT FINN IM CRYING

(this is very not well written i was EMOTIONAL and SOBBING when i was typing this i will revise it later)

he is NOT stupid. (despite what @euphoric-ghoul says.......) his brother is a genius, 12 phds, got a huge grant, made a perpetual motion machine which is impossible- but despite that, stan is still not stupid.

you cant compare him to his brother, since theyre both very intelligent in their own ways. it takes smarts to fend for yourself after getting kicked out fresh out of highschool, hes a con man, and its shown throughout the series and books that hes acutely aware of what hes doing and what is happening around him.

its a classic street-smart and book-smart situation. although ford is definitely street smart after surviving 30 years in the multiverse.

theyre made to parallel eachother, fords weaknesses are stans strengths- take their social skills. although its played for laughs, stan knows how to talk.

but i hate it when people consider their highschool selves to be the same person now that theyre in their fifties. not only would that be crazy even if they were normal, did you not watch the episode where their entire lives change??? highschool stan was irresponsible, and highschool ford couldnt talk to a girl. those people are completely different from the men who dealt with the supernatural and were left to fend for themselves alone.

anyway this was all for FINN... @euphoric-ghoul WHY WOULD YOU SAY stan is the "stupid one" and ford is the "smart one" IM ACTUALLY GONNA FIGHT YOU WHEN I SEE YOU AGAIN BUDDY...... leave my GLORIOUS KING alone....

for context i was talking to finn and he MISCHARACTERIZED my two glorious twins.....

[grimm-bot]

I don’t see the parallels between Mable and Ford and Dipper and Stan. Can you explain cause i’m really curious now.

ok ok ok so. im not gonna cite any specific sources sorry im too lazy to go back but i promise you ive watched the series too much for it to be healthy

mabel and ford are both very much similar people. they're both very artistically talented, mabel made a lifelike sculpture of stan so you cant deny this one - they also both have very similar personalities, they're extremely blunt when talking to others and outwardly weird and proud of it, they just express it in different ways. i mean how many times has mabel directly called out dipper for doing Stupid Shit in the same way Ford has to Stan ? like at least three times. at least thrice. and theres definitely a parallel between mabel embracing being a weird little girl and making sweaters every day, eating toothpaste and whatever the unicorn creature from DDAMD was - she could choose to act normal, but why in the world would she ever? and ford not having that choice, so he pursues research of the supernatural to try and find a place for himself amongst the strange and unusual. both are also called out on by society for being strange - mabel just stands up to her bullies a little better than ford does. its also important to note that neither of them socialize normally at ALL. its just that mabel is so confident in herself that when she goes up to you and says HI I'M MABEL MY EARRINGS ARE NACHOS WANNA BE FRIENDS? you're like hell yeah!!! they are!!! lets be friends!!! theyre both so trusting too which leads to them being directly screwed over by bill, it isnt their fault at all but he STILL DOES IT. plus they both briefly dated a supernatural fish creature, and had an absolutely TRAINWRECK of a relationship that altered how they'll approach their future ones - mabels was with gideon, and fords was with bill.

and hoooo their twin. stan directly sees some of his younger self in dipper, most notably in dreamscaperers, which is why he tries to toughen the kid up. the two of them also solve a lot of their problems with Punching. as soon as dipper loses access to the journal he starts swinging. bro jumped off a cliff to punch a massive robot in the eye and also swung at a massive triangle god. he was NOT hesitating he just started swinging, exactly what stan does!!! and its for their twin. soooo much of what the both of them do is in pursuit of the goal of keeping their twin safe or getting them to safety. dipper sticks up for mabel against Pacifica exactly how Stan did for his family in Gideon Rises. they're also VERY intelligent + resourceful, and can fly by the seat of their pants with random information, stan rebuilt the portal with about a third of the blueprints and with zero funding, and dipper is shown doing complex math in an instant and using what little info the journal has on various threats to thwart them - part of this is also social intelligence. mabel may be a social butterfly but dipper and stan know who to trust and when and navigate their relationships extremely carefully. theyre also hella good at convincing people to do what they want - dipper redeemed at least two people by just talking to them, the only difference between the skill they have with words is that stan uses his to convince people to keep coming back to the mystery shack so he can make money, and dipper uses his to get people to fight back against injustice. i also dont think i need to tell you how insecure the both of them are in their identities. thats not even getting into the themes of self sacrifice

sorry this was long but tl;dr: a cutiepie wearing sweaters with a book vital to the plot whose eccentricities define them, and a smart&sly guy who has a way with words, with a front meant to hide their insecurities. okay was i talking about mabel and dipper or ford and stan in that order

[pumpkinsy0]

so considering, um, today.... can we get some fluffy papercut hcs?? maybe them comforting each other??

i feel like i think about them more when im rlly stressed so yall were gettin these hcs regardless LMAOOOO

•as a joke, curly would just make stuff up that ppl do in his culture just to see how far he can go before ponys like “ok now ik ur lying🙎🏻‍♂️” and ponys so accepting too so ikkkkk hes gotten pretty far w it

•they take their pinkie promises seriously i just know they do,,,

•is curly secretly super smart??? no, BUTTT i do think that around ppl he likes, mainly pony and somewhat angela, he overplays his stupidity, just to rile em up for funsies, but he knows that they know he’s not that stupid and hes happy for that, its like he can let go w 0 consequences

•curlys hair is actually relatively long, pretty much longer than ponys actually and pony has a habit at SOFTLY pulling curlys hair to take a look at it (w curlys permission duh) , curly finds it very comforting and it makes him sleepy but hes never admitting to that

•pony has pretty chubby cheeks (his FACE!!!! i mean his face!!!!!) and curlys always squeezing them, does pony stop him??? sometimes, only sometimes, he likes how warm curlys hands r

•curly is so touch starved its not even funny, any touch from pony (pause on that) makes him feel better, usually touches from others that aren’t family came from like hook ups n such, so the way pony touches him is different and while hes scared cause “woahhhhh vulnerability and im actually being seen for me” but he likes it too much to just pull away,

•they dont say i love u, maybe they do but its more if a casual “love ya” w an eye roll in a teasing manner, BUT THEY DO MEAN IT!!!! howeverrrr if u wanna get them to ACTUALLY b more soft, the way they say it is by saying something along the lines of “for u??? why not”

•there was a time where pony gave curly his hoodie to share after curly got into an argument w tim and didnt get his jacket before he left, did they get sick???? yeaaaaa, but hey its the thought that counts, curly did appreciate it a lot

•they cant play footsies for the life of em bc both of them have a bit of lower body strength and they will both leave w bruises on their legs

•me saying they never hold hands was a half lie, they do but its never a full hand hold and its almost never in front of others

•they BOTH have to defend the other when someone asks y theyre dating “him”, im sick of pretending its only pony who has to defend curly, a lot if ppl see pony as a wimp brah

[el-pada]

You say Leo’s and usagi (Miyamoto a) personality’s class, I’m genuinely wondering what points you have? (I think I worded that right) I love seeing other people’s thoughts on characters it helps me kinda get a full understanding on the characters themselves as I struggle with understanding people or characters 🙈

ok now this is a fun ask

so (mainly rambling abt my rise interpretation) theyre both incredibly similar yet were raised in different environments so theyre kind of 2 sides of the same coin, able to see their own flaws in the other which pisses them off a lot at first

opposites attract eachother all that, samurai and ninja already had a rivalry so theyre kinda the representation of that

in my version theres also the aspect of performing involved, how leo sees it as something admirable and glorifies it but usagi grows to hate it and sees it as a chore in his life (whole deal with big mama)

but at the end of the day they have similar ideals and goals, just different ways of approaching them. they both care a lot and will fight tooth and nail to protect, making it very fun to have them work either against or with eachother

also i really like how they kinda break their own character conventions, leo is very much an extrovert and incredibly brash but is also surprisingly smart. hes great at planning ahead and most importantly follow the plan by being unpredictable to his enemies

usagi on the other side is more introverted and reserved (in theory) but is also like, incredibly impusive, if you read the comics he will constantly improvise and just throw himself at situations. his whole deal is being unpredictable from his training but hes just straight up a menace (almost killed his childhood best friend at age 7 or so with a rock caine and able style)

theyre both stupid and smart at the same time which gives you a lot to work with as they can kinda exchange both roles seamlessly

[ultimateloserboy]

you seem like the kind of guy who just understands them better than anyone else, so i’m curious: what do you think about how old they are? you don’t have to give specific numbers, i just mean like who’s the oldest and are they young adults or middle aged or even older? i used to be a fan of yellow guy as a child, but after seeing people say that was infantilizing and he’s probably just autistic or something i like that better (makes him feel more human and relatable and have more depth)

thank you very much for trusting me with these guys. Now, i have many opinions on this— please read my whole opinion before getting upset (not directed at you but everyone because i think people might be upset at me for this one, sorry guys…)

first off let me address the yellow pig in the room. i feel people project onto yellow so much that they forget— from becky and joes own mouth— he is “the stupid character.” yes of course hes more than that, and definitely supposed to be more human as the series progresses— but he absolutely isnt intended to represent autism or any real diagnosis. as a matter of fact if that was the intention i would be criticizing it because of the way they talk about him in QnAs and such. of course hes very relatable but the truth of the matter is that it was not intended. i fear that people claiming it was is actually a bit harmful in this case. (though im not saying its bad to relate at all!)

calling him a child is not infantilizing, because hes implied to be multiple times, along with the fact hes the only character with a dad in the picture that paints him as the only one not old enough to be around on his own. i feel they make this very apparent. He doesn’t understand adult things and by GOD HE CANNOT CONSENT!!! Ive seen people use this discussion as an excuse to draw inappropriate shit and i dont approve of that. Hes unable to learn how to read in his usual state so he DEFINITELY cant fucking consent!

And this is the part where people bring up his clean-battery counterpart. Who I also think is a child. The difference is that he’s not impaired by his batteries and can see things more clearly with his thoughts together. I think what a lot of people fail to realize is.. kids are people??? And kids can be complex and understand way more than you think!!! Hes not less human by being a kid!! as a matter of fact i think thats an important part of him!!

I think that red and duck are both old enough to where their families are completely out of their lives. (i dont believe their families are real, but just in a figurative sense that theyd be old enough to grow away from those who would raise them)

i think that red and duck are so bitter and cynical because they never got to be children— they were created to be always be pushing 40 while yellow is forever a child. He never becomes cruel or cynical because hes too lost in wonder of the world. he still cares about things that adults grow to be apathetic towards. he manages to find the stairs and lesley and all of that, in my opinion, because hes a child in a house with loser adults whove given up on life

Now with that being said, I do not think their mental and physical ages align. i think theyre physically the ages of their puppet, which changes drastically because their bodies can be replaced. i also think yellow can easily be an adult age even in his puppet, but hes still forever a child anyway. His mentality is of a child, which makes him a child— Their physical ages are impossible to guess and also probably inconsistent.

TLDR i absolutely think that yellow is a kid and i think the fact people think he cant be because hes human or because hes smart sometimes is exactly why i think he is— i feel thats the point.

red and duck are forever stuck in a limbo of pushing forty if not already forty. i think red could easily pass as a younger guy but i think he and duck are the same age mentally.

Adding on a slightly related note though— I do think red and duck are yellows guardians but i dont think theyre good nor are they parents. I see them more as older brothers (Which by the way red calls yellow!) or at the very least theyre his uncles that Really DID NOT fucking want kids. Theyre absolutely not his parents but they do have to take care and watch him. They treat him as older siblings being cruel to a younger one. Duck calls yellow a pet because he doesnt see him as his son but he still has to care for him. its definitely dehumanizing but its said for a reason. which goes hand in hand with what i was saying— people dont see children as people because they cant do anything on their own. but again, yellow absolutely can still be a complex and human character while being a child

if you disagree im not hating— i would love to have a discussion. i personally just dont believe its problematic to call him a child when the only reason that would be a problem isnt canon in the first place?

[cantgetworsethanthistbh]

Can you give us some Ford x Pacifica headcanons?

God anon im so sorry this took forever and i hope youre still lurking on my blog because YES I CAN HOLY SHIT THANK YOU FOR LETRING ME INDULGE

pacifica is into ford because shes into smart badass nerds the way dipper was when they worked together and ford is basically all that BUT MORE. more experience, more skills, more physical prowess and like she said. is super hot lmfao

ford and pacifica meet that day when they got into the whole face stealer thing— ford appreciates that she covered herself in garbage knowing it was an effective disguise among the creatures in the black market. AND that she actually pulled off fooling them before dipper blew it. pacifica is like, instantly flustered and a blushing mess

both of them expected she would be super disgusted when she shakes his hand and sees the six fingers— ford never got over the way cathy crenshaw freaked out over his hands and well, pacificas a judgmental bitch— but honestly seeing how tiny her dainty princess hand was in his gigantic and calloused palm was sort of an awakening for pacifica for size differences. ford is already a creep via dipfording and is also mega into it, but actually manages to be normal about it in the moment

when pacifica works at the diner and the stan twins make their way there, pacifica ALWAYS wants to get ford order and has a pretty obvious hopeless crush and throws in some WAY too nice compliments about his dumb research, but ford has waitress trauma so he doesnt realize it lmfao stan does tho and just rolls his eyes all the time and is

adding my d*pcifica bias here but also cuz its the most realistic way the main two are gonna get it on: i LOVE the idea of pacifica knowing dipper has a weird intense crusb on his uncle while theyre dating and is like okay but can i get in on that. dipper is like ?????? and pacifica is like oh come on in not STUPID dipper, if you want to fuck your uncle at least let me join (because she wont admit she wants to be in on that too) its not like i care your family is already super fucking weird and im still here. also hes super hot so

ford would more or less agree for dippers sake more than not but like, he would get to live out SO much of his pent up frustration about girls from his adoloscence on pacifica that, he def had gotten rough with her in the middle. dipper thought it was super fucking hot and wishes ford didnt see himself in dipper so much so hed treat him like that too sometimes fr fr

honestly the northwest family is not a good family, so pacifica adjusts to this dynamic way too well. which is concerning. yet fascinating for ford. he wants to psychoanalyze pacifica like hes some kind of psychologist ignoring the fact hes not at all qualified for it because he has 12 phds so he can do that anyway

ALSO abbigail northwest being a former inventor would mean ford would def be interested in more of her family history— its just FAR too fascinating to not touch

[fangwhoria]

i love reading fanfiction you will never catch me pretending like i dont love fanfiction. however i do think every single buck and eddie fanfiction out there. makes buck (and eddie as well) too smart simply by virtue of putting us inside their heads. these are not characters designed for us to be in their heads and theyre also stupid. stupid in different ways but theyre both stupid. and by giving them textual inner monologues that cohere in any sense of the word makes them too smart for any fanfictions to read as truly them. to me.

[dumbass-duo-showdown]

Propaganda masterpost for desertduo

They are two idiots thinking eachother's udeas are good and then somehow winning

They are two idiots thinking eachother's udeas are good and then somehow winning

They don’t have a single brain cell between them. They poked the goat to “see what would happen” and ended up getting their bases covered in duped ender dragon eggs.

Particularly in Hermitcraft, they are the most chaotic together. Chaotic in the most stupid of ways. Example: they blew up an intricate machine from one of the most "threatening" people on the server, stopped posting for a while, tried fixing it and failed, and tried apologizing with diamonds (Grian), theme park gifts (Scar), and by calling the victim "handsome" and "smart" and everything they could think of. And THEN, when Doc (the victim) retaliated with very intricate pranks that take a lot of skill and knowledge, they teamed up, went to the perimeter they were banned from as their alter egos as a loophole, and FILLED the ENTIRE PLACE (and it's a ginormous hole down to bedrock, many chunks wide) with CHICKENS. Just. A lot of chickens. Chickens everywhere. Oh my god. And another thing. Grian loves pressing buttons, like ADORES it (that's how the machine broke in the first place) and Scar... well. He gets confused easily and also breaks a lot of machines. So when people in the server build stuff, they have to both Grian-proof it (make sure an overexcited person who loves pressing buttons won't break the system) and Scar-safe it (make sure it's easily understandable and won't be broken like that). But now they also have to GRIAN-AND-SCAR-PROOF their stuff, because i swear, they multiply each other's dumbassery like by 100. And all that is just from the current arc of Hermitcraft season NINE. If we go back to season eight for a second, Grian decided to fake being AFK in all his friends' bases, and when he got to Scar's, Scar built him a ROLLERCOASTER RIDE to the BOAT TOTEM (boatem) HOLE THAT GOES BEYOND BEDROCK. People constantly fell there in the season and it was hell gearing themselves back up. But Scar was sure they were gonna land on the boatem and thought Grian was asleep because of time differences. But he failed and both died either way. And good fucking thing Grian was watching it all happen. Scar was SINGING him a SONG. You could even HEAR HIM COMING UP WITH IT BEFORE THE ACTUAL RIDE. Scar by FAR had the BEST reaction to the AFK experiment. And GODDD they're such idiots together. Unless they're in it for survival (aka the Life series) in which case Grian basically becomes his nanny let's be real. Scar is way too prone to die. He dies literally all the time and someone's gotta have him on a leash.

grian thinks that hes the responsible one in the dynamic but really hes just as much a chaos gremlin as scar is

they enable each other constantly. fellow builders to friends to enemies to friends to enemies to f

they share two braincells with each other and they do not work half the time. The number of things they fucked up is not even countable. One of them will be like "I'll save you!" and then both of them need someone to come and save them. They also are connected at the hip and love to annoy each other and other people so so much. they need help

They are so. so. Pesky british bird who loves explosions and has an attention span of 2 + catboy scammer who likes to lick magic and die badly. They are perfect for each other and their friendship is so precious to me. They are canonically soulmates. Currently theyre camping out on the edge of their enemy's giant hole because they accidentally exploded his machine together while Grian was procrastinating. The situation escalated because Grian likes war and Scar likes chaos so now theyre sitting directly in the path of their enemy's giant TNT-pooping goat mecha. Their plan? Build a buttercup-themed mecha to fight it because buttercups are poisonous to goats

They have caused a lot of chaos and destruction due to their lack of braincells /pos

Scar dragged Grian to the desert on a llama to monopolize on its sand, they blew up their friend’s tunnel bore, and rode a roller coaster together. They just bounce a braincell back and forth basically.

They ping pong a brian cell between each other and the few times it produces a thought the idea is always a bad one

they have two brain cells between them and they are not sure where they left them, they actively search for trouble and act sincerely shocked when it bites them on the ass, very orange cat coded if you ask me

Things only work out for them by pure luck. They both think they have the braincell and will be the one to pull each other through but they are both wrong. Tripping over their own feet and stumbling so hard and yet still coming out on top just because the others fall over harder

They get in a room together and its like all braincells disappear. They blew up their neighbors redstone, they filled his base with thousands of chickens, they die nonstop, they bully the other (in a friendly way) constantly and then do the exact same thing, theyre dunbasses ur honor

Theyre literally, just an echochamber of dumb. They actively lose braincells when around eachother. Grian seems smart and calculated but he can never get anything to work properly and scar is just an absolute hazard to himself and grian tries to keep him safe. They both die in minecraft so much. Grian also just has a habit of pressing every button lever or chest he ever sees. Even if its an obvious trap. He breaks stuff so easily. Grian WILL press the big button on top of the tnt block thats in plain sight. Especially right after scar says "i wonder what that does". Theyre duo can be summed up to trickster dumbass and dumbass with a heart of gold. They literally started a prank war by accidentally blowing up someones redstone. They are the unattended children on every server theyre in.

long live the science bros.

One owed the other a life debt for killing them with a creeper (it was just a prank, bro) and so they spent the season trying to monopolize all of the sand in a desert, and that's jusr scraping the surface of how stupid they are.

[tomwaterbabies]

@the-diabolic-acid this was going to be way too long to put under my art so it's here now lol

per-requisite is having vague knowledge on disney's pixie hollow fairies. yknow how it is

both these guys are tinker talent fairies. yes. why is varian Not wearing green tinker garb well thats because he got kinda lost but its ok. hes clumsy

hugo is pretty cynical and jaded about his lot in life. he spent all this time working with lost things and doing alchemy but other fairies (the fairies in canon) were the ones rewarded for going against the norm and all that (this is a very simple summary but yeah)

so fuck that he wants something greater than pixie hollow. ogughhh but that leads to him working for PIRATES (gasp!)

basically he helped steal the second pixie dust tree to give to the pirates (donella and crew) while also stealing blue pixie dust for them (powerful stuff). in return he gets some good access to materials n stuff

of course the fairies of pixie hollow send out scouts n shit to try and find the tree. who cares though. he thinks the scouts are stupid lol

but then some goody-goody tinker fairy puts together his own naive search for it. that would be varian. who is smart. he is worried about this one

he joins the search to try and keep varian and crew away from finding the tree

you know what happens. he starts becoming best friends with varian. he starts falling in love with him. he starts becoming a more hopeful and optimistic person etc etc

he learns that varian isnt just some goody goody fairy. he's actually also someone who has spent his life being different and struggling- also messing with alchemy and lost things and all that stuff. but yet he's still just... So Good. waugh

yeah so. eventually he just wants to call off the search bc he does NOT want to put his friends in harm's way via donella. the pixie dust tree donella has will die without his help so he just wants to leave her in favor of his new friends (and donella doesnt have access to pixie hollow so like whatever lets just leave it)

varian of course does NOT want to just give up wtf. and yeah some misunderstandings happen or whatever like you get it. he thinks hugo has betrayed them

but its ooooook. eventually. they stop donella etc etc etc

they kiss

ASIDE FROM THE PLOT. they're both alchemists still in this au. they mess with lost things and pixie dust and other materials. theyre both weird and eccentric but thats ok. building insane inventions and such. besties

[jam-packed]

i saw someone post abt the netflix show kaos (which is good u should watch it) and during my watch, i did subject my friend to who (in motogp) would best fit the characters in the show.

spoilers cus im gonna explain them within context and talk about the ending and my prayers for a season 2 :( and 3 actually but thats it.

going to separate this in groups of confident to 🤨🤨🤨 yk. anyways.

Set In Stone (to me):

zeus - TOTALLYYYY vale. eccentric bastards, but very entertaining, very likable in the beginning despite their wrongdoings. i feel like in a different world, vale would be wearing tracksuits around his big ass mansion but a guy has to find joy in dressing like a 15 yo boy so props ig (speaking of, i LOVEEE the wardrobe of this show. muy muy bueno to me.....) both have such an intense paranoia on how others receive them and their eternal impact on the world. its all about aging and their race to defy it, but they cant and that comes to be their downfall. regardless, theyre both crazy powerful and crazy in general they are like. the same guy.

poseidon - jorge lorenzo. in some inherent way. poseidon is jorge to me. theres the (for lack of a better term) jealously that poseidon has for zeus (in terms of hera) that jorge has w vale when it comes to personability/marketability. that, and the way poseidon acts is very jorge to me as well. the way he stands like hes in drag race. anyways, theres a nonchalance to poseidon's character and how he interacts with humans that makes me think, "yeah if jorge had this much power, he would act in this way."

hear me out here. hera - dani. not just because hera and poseidon are having an affair, mind you. but yes also mostly that. because im not knowledgeable about dani uh at all im going to base this on how ive seen him ride in the past. dani, to me, is an incredibly strong rider, hes very determined and sound in his efforts. but theres always someone stronger. and while that doesnt inherently mean he is fearful of them, i feel like within the context of the show, hed probably act in the same ways hera does despite how highly she considers herself. hera's a cunt in this and tbh dani is cunt to me with that crazy power i think hed be similar. also im not saying that dani sucks as a rider, its just. the vale/casey/jorge/marc of it all 😕 bad timing

prometheus - casey fuckin stoner, man. were casey and vale ever friends? idk im sure at points. they follow each other on instagram and casey loves to hate so idk. regardless, casey would be totally on board to help a cosmic plan to take down vale, would he kill his wife for it? real vale, no, zeus vale, its reaching towards the table. prometheus and stoner dont have the same humor, but theyre smart, they know how to act. even if casey isnt one for media, he can beat vale on a bike (ducatis on the straights omgggg). and prometheus and zeus are this weird battle of wits and intelligence. im not saying vale is stupid, im saying that he is blind to his insecurities and that can harm him in the same way it hurts zeus in this series.

marc has to have his own segment cus i could make arguments for 4 different characters. walk with me:

riddy/eurydice - stubborn, headstrong, cunt(y), defined moral code. riddy is such an interesting person within this show and i think marc is very similar to her in some respects. one of the main downsides though is the lack of codependency she has with literally anyone. shes not close to a lot of people, shes kinda isolated (from what i interpret, and idk if thats the fault of orpheus but for the sake of ease, lets say riddy does it herself), but she can connect with people easily. marc doesnt really do that. one, no álex, thats never gonna happen; two, he has a hard time being alone, their upbringings are incredibly different, which may have a major part to play in all of that, and that would kinda change who marc is (duh)---if he were alone all his life rather than surrounded by his closest friends and family, as he is now. so, if you want like. bezquez with a sour note, then yeah go marc eurydice, but idk its not my favorite. maybe luca or pecco (pecco is NOT riddy do not listen to me!!!!)

ari/ariadne - the brotherisms go crazy. very similar to riddy in that she is incredibly headstrong. she is not stubborn she is filled with guilt for something she didnt do my sweet lovely little pookiebear i should not be saying that whatever. so, ari's brother is the minotaur (shocker) and i think itd be interesting to explore marc's love for álex despite not knowing he's alive for YEARS (30 fucking years bro free my girl 😭😭😭). regardless, they are both smart, sympathetic to others, and get shit done when it needs to be. i think they match up as people pretty well, but we once again run into the issue of isolation and relationships throughout upbringing. ari does have some very close relationships as we see in the show (for a few episodes and then never again. ok.) like her father and her bodyguard. is that enough? idk maybe. makes me think abt santi........who will come up later actually. all to say, i think theyd make similar decisions to each other, i think marc if put in this story would be ari to an s (close enough, is my joke). anyways, marc is a good ari if you want a calm, semi-levelheaded marc (who kills someone) who will very likely end up with dionysus. but off the dome idk who dionysus could be. hm.

dionysus - he was my favorite in the show im sorry i want my faves to be each other. dionysus is such a character, hes so guy, i need him to get his cat back. ok, so dionysus is the son of zeus and he wants more responsibility/power---upsettingly, because of how marc is as a rider, i think this is why he ISNT dionysus. dionysus is a character that has to grow into himself (by learning about love ❤️) by killing his dad. haha i joke. but cmon. anyways in the context of dionysus's original goal, ehhhh not marc. but dionysus has this (again for lack of a better term) eccentricity that reminds me of marc. they have larger than life qualities but theyre quite mellow outside of that, they want people to be happy, they want love to prevail, if dennis was shiva he would do the exact same things dionysus does with that cat (carry it everywhere). theres a distance dionysus has with humanity that he loses over the course of the series, and i think thats interesting in marc's case cus once again NOT MARC!!! marc, from accounts that arent him (livio suppo is the only name in my mind rn) say that marc is very like. stable. hes a good kid, he doesnt let fame get to him (or at least how he treats others cus wtf is his house), and dionysus's arc is about connecting w humanity and i dont think marc would really have that problem. yes this was a waste of time yes it was just me convincing myself marc cannot logically be dionysus. this is my post man lemme do what i want :(

persephone - a lot of girls here. wonder what that says about how i view marc. womp womp idgaf. so, persephone is queen of the underworld, wife to hades. she LOVES hades and if we're thinking about old men and the young(ish) people that love them. santi. dovi. persephone is not one to lay down and take it, but hades is so gives me smth to play w in terms of who im going to make not a (I HAVE NO BETTER TERMS) pussy. persephone also loves love, she wants to help the gods because she wants to help her husband but she knows that isnt possible with what the gods (ZEUS COUGH COUGH) are asking them to do, so she defies them, she lies to them, she cares for her husband, she feels sympathy for dionysus and helps him to realize zeus is a lying bastard cunt. with great hair. marc to me. again, like ari, he seems the guy to put his money where his mouth he, he WILL do whats best for people cus he knows they deserve it, he wants to help, he will repay kindness, he doesnt forget (dionysus argument actually. repaying kindness this but i digress).

ares - ares literally isnt in the show yet. he got a technical mention in the last moments of the last episode but like idk......based on my knowledge of motogp and greek mythology and also his name is marc i think itd be cool.........put my man in the show give him a sword let him go ham let him kill god vale pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pl

marc my beautiful enigma u cannot be placed. except i think ari is your best bet at accuracy. especially if we're talking human strength and determination, ari n marc brother.

semi confident but could consider others

orpheus - marco bezzecchi. in my heart of hearts, as much as i love bez, he would probably act like orpheus. omggg hes so in love, he WOULD journey to the underworld but also hes a little evil hes a cunt hes a bastard hes cringefail but hes winning. except not really at all. orpheus has this tendency to. self-pity is my best assumption at a word. very whiny man. to me. cus i didnt really feel bad for him throughout the show. anyways, bez does have that intense loyalty that orpheus has, i do think he would do what orpheus does. bez is also kinda a cunt sometimes and i think he would say and do the twat things that orpheus does as well. the hardest part abt bezpheus is like. whos gonna fall out of love with him. you got a lot of options but they all kinda dont make sense yk? pecco just doesnt make sense w the character, cele does make sense he just probably wouldnt fall out of love or be in love in the first place, luca is also an option. luca marini my cringefail bestfriend who is famous and good at sports and doesnt know me, actually yea its luca. honda move, its luca.

riddy (again) - luca. it needs its own section ok i feel like i need to explain myself. luca, currently, looks like he wants to explode and die, he wants out of his fuckass brother's shadow (i dont hate vale im just full of vitriol) and if we transfer those feelings to loveless marriage, do we see how being hit by a truck and shipped off to the underworld and choosing to go to honda (I LIKE HONDA OK IM SORRY) are similar. did riddy choose to die? no its fate she doesnt really have a choice, but grand scheme of things did luca have a choice? idk, talk it up with a philosopher. im a math major, i could care less (lying).

caeneus (i think?) - álex. i think they look similar. i see caeneus and i go omg its álex márquez 2 time world champ in motorsports brother of marc márquez. also theres this weird like almost timidness that caeneus has that i feel is very similar to how álex acts and talks. hes kinda, and this is going to sound so mean to álex, average. however, he is meant for something more, he is more than the surface level by a long shot. and i think thats true for álex as well. caeneus is also very truthful, hes going to get mad at you, if he doesnt wanna tell you shit he wont but hes not gonna walk around it idly, and álex is a marc lie detector so. theres that. again, some downsides, no codependency brothers wth. anyways luca álex ship name. lucquez. aluca. lucalex. rosquez 2 less evil edition. this is so hard cus of fuckin marc bro free me.

not super confident but sure id consider it

dionysus - pecco. vale son, the favorite at some moments, biffs it at others. i dont think pecco has a problem with loving others in the way that dionysus does (aro dionysus slay) but i think theres mentalities that they both have (given by their respective parental figures) that hinder them in similar ways. pecco does not have dionysus's early personality. pecco is very calm, very controlled, (very mindful very demure) but he can also fight with someone after they crash into him, hes not gonna take everything lightly. idk if hes quick to forgive, nor do i know if hes privy to stew in his feelings. one of the primary relationships (thats explored in the show) dionysus has is with zeus. he visits zeus (the only child to do so), he gives zeus gifts (that get rejected), he steals from him (lmao), he defies him (yayy), he gets punished for defying him (NOO FUCK). turbo as dennis ough the thought brings me anguish. anyways, i think with dionysus being a sort of foil to zeus it works with pecco being a foil to vale. evil vale would say flopnaia is a disappointment tho. anyways, if flopnaia were dionysus, hed probably be feeling and doing and saying the same things as d is in the show. would he be as sexually promiscuous? probably not so yk. confidence low. but woah omg very likely marcnaia what a trip.

i dont wanna write an explanation cus this is getting too long but bez could also be considered for dionysus. literally any vr46 boy could lbr.

and tbh anyone else in the cast would confuse the shit outta me i dont know enough people in motogp in that way. i barely know the ones im talking about 😭😭😭 anyways pls diregard everything i said because it makes no sense to try to put people in the correct slots of other media, just write based on the person, not the character you want to portray, thats what makes them interesting, its what allows for different stories and outcomes. all to say i did this for nothing ❤️

[wings-of-angels]

also. thought u might find it interesting that like. carrie n lara have a very similar dynamic to bruce and clark. carrie is a lot less outwardly angry than bruce but more than makes up for it in raw devotion to bruce and to gotham. she shares bruces smarts and strategies. lara is wrathful and genocidal but is just as stubborn and as. kind of stupid as her father. lara wants to go in guns blazing and carrie has to remind her that often that'll just make things worse. they bicker but carrie always has the upper hand and lara refuses to accept that. ("im the one who's not taking this personally")

idk im insane abt them

YESSSSSSSSS its so interesting thinking about their similarities and differences to their fathers/guardians. Especially how they're both much more brutual versions of their parents which i have VERY mixed feelings about (cos personally i love how clark normally stands for hope and being kind, so seeing a brutal uncaring supergirl is SOOO interesting). I understand how their upbrinings have caused them to be so violent and frank millers imagined gotham/america is so violent and chaotic and reflects the political landscape etc. But the fact that lara and carrie are so violent makes me feel kinda sad that they as the new generation will face sm violence and hand out sm of it.

But theyre also soo similar in other ways (like u said) and their fathers children. Theres a pannel where carrie says lara is too poetic and now I cant stop thinking about lara writing poetry (not sure what genre) and maybe it helps her appreciate the world and humanity more and provide her with a connection to the human side of her father who was a journalist 😭😭 i hope lara grows more as a person its all i want

[calledbyflowers]

im so sorry but like..... i fink atheism is actually an identifying characteristic of left-liberal politics at least in a us context. like in the sense of politics as establishing an us vs them like a crucial part of the "them" for the left-liberal is the white male rural christian (the leftist for them is just a left-liberal who is confused and can repent and become an ally in cheering on the democrats in the spectacle of electoralism) and like atheism is part of a central myth of being smarter, superior, knowing better and being right about everyhting. and like not being arent dumb rednecks who believe in religion cuzt heyre smart intelligent educated dogs who believe in science and stuff bwehhhh

and like atheism projects a loathing and disgust that can b attached both to the targets of imperial violence which they r the beneficiaries of and to the them that is defined within their own country and among their own ppl to explain why everything is bad (this being attached in different respects obvs the white male christian american is a figure to be laughed at for the fmost part a joke a mockery a silly and detestable thing which is to be feared only because its stupidity could impact your whole country which to you means all of the human race and like yknow umm the supposed muslim religious radical in the left-liberal collefctive unconscious is a figure who is principally to be feared and more importantly as non-human. the christian american is simplky a destestible human. the muslim is considered a threat and can be killed freely without having commited a cardinal sin-perhaps it is bad to do so but in the way that causing an unwanted miscarriage is like bad but its not murder u dont in doing so sentence urself to deaht)

like the left-liberal analysis is "cuz theyre r these bad mean white christians who r bad and white and christian" and i dont wanna pretend that this is any material or concrete form of oppression like this only smthn w one specific strain of the liberal political tendency but i think it is interesting to speculate on the role that this identity construction which embraces atheism (or some kind of multicultural spuritial practice without specific theologies and ontological commitments - though the two often overlap) as a way to justify their position in society and provide them w an enemy which grants them unity and who thehy can complain abt it w friends is yknow this dumb crazy christian whos so crazy and christian and like thats a social bond it helps lube up the left-liberal social bond to make them cohere as a distinct strain of the liberal poltiical tendency what doe this mean? idk just a funny observe

[simonquill-com]

Ok, i wanna re-preface this by saying that my behavior towards this whole thing does not stem from my liking of bobby. My rudeness in the original post was because i was incredibly tired, had a bad day, and suddenly saw a post i completely disagreed with. I was not good 👍 and i apologize for my rudeness . I've apologized twice already. But you still seem to have some resentment towards me based on your post language. (But i understand why, i was a dick)

Second of all, i can not respond to everything you say because im literally dragged into a bar right now. You would not believe the situations im put in, i swear. So im basing all of this off of my short term memory of my post im sorry 😭😭 i wish i could do a better analisys with deep dives and references to quote to prove my points better but the shit situations im put in are amazing.

Third of all, i never based ANYTHING on Fandom bobby cause i dont interact with the fandom like 90% of the time. I make my own opinions out of my brain and own ideas ty very much.

Also, sorry for calling you op, river, it was 4 am, man, sorry, really.

Ok, now into the actual thing (ill keep this kind of short)

I base my ideas on my own behavioral analysis. Im a man who is really based on his opinions and thoughts. I wish i could quote things i really do.

If you want a (semi) GOOD analysis of mine, from what i believe is Phantom and bobbys behavioral differences. Check out my post where i rant about simons inability as a manipulator, i quote "the art of manipulation" and show some behavioral patterns of phantom's (as bobby) that make bobby out to be someone that is smart, understands human behaviour and even (would) care for simon if he was real in his own way via phantoms characterization of him.

(EDIT, I GOT HOME. IM A BIT BUSY AND CAN'T ARGUE TOO MUCH MORE ON THIS POST SPECIFICALLY. I DID ADD TO THIS THREAD. BUT HERES THE LINK TO THAT POST MR RIVER )

I now further understand your "phantom was made later" point and sort of agree. However. I still throughly believe that the fact that bobby was not made with phantom's image in mind does not have anything to do with the "real" bobby.

"Prototype bobby" is the bobby that was made without phantom in mind, which is sysnonimus with phantom bobby since phantom was still made at the end. And phantom still applies.

Canon "real" bobby is the man phantom killed, not the man concepted in the first chapters.

Phantom wouldn't have a reason to behave like he did, youre right (may i remind the jury that it was 4 an stupidity in half of that rant) But we're both in ageement that phantom does not recreate bobbys personality accurately.

I still support my earlier point that people, when they imitate someone they dont fully know, still exaggerate certain elements of a persons personality. It's an actually studied thing (god knows in which one of my books i read that one, tho)

When someone doesn't fully know a person (which phantom mightev not known much about since... DID YOU TELL ME WEITHER OR NOT HE WAS REASERCHING ON UR 1 OR NOT. I MENTIONED IN THE POST THAT I FORGOT IF THIS PART IS TRUE OR NOT AND IM FORGETTING AGAIN)

Anywayyyyyys.

Lets for the sake of argument say that he did (ill provide an argument if he didnt too dw)

If he did, or didnt: phantom either wouldn't have had that much time to study his behavioral patterns, and even if he did and had physical tapes of how he acted, people STILL exaggerate behaviours of people theyre imitating even if they know word for word what the person theyre imitating does.

I retract my statement that he makes the meaner part of the personality more intense and replace it with:

I think he might be accenteuating both parts. hence why it felt so un-natural for me behaviour wise.

If his personality were to be toned down all around, it would make more sense.

Also, about the rehabilitator thing. Bobby was technically at least implied to be assigned to simon in some way, hes in charge of making sure simon doesnt lash out in court and keep him under check, many many times talks bout how he wants to and will work towards rehabilitation for simon no matter what(check ch 2 1st trial day one) and simon is seen only with bobby as a handler after ch 2 (from what i remember). So yes, I'd say he has a rehabilitators/handlers license. As you need one of those to. Yk. Rehabilitate and handle criminals (at least in my country and japan from what i remember. But i COULD very well be wrong so correct me if so)

And also id like to say sorry if you thought my comment about "i hate this thread" was meant to insult it. I meant it in a i hate the overall idea behind some of the points there, and even then, it was wrong for me to say, and i do apologize. Your thread is amazingly constructed and i do believe i couldve handled it with more tact.

I have way more thoughts, but I'd actually rather discuss these one on one because i actually like having discussions with you, you are very smart and challenge my own ideas well, and i hope you feel the same way, mr river man 🙏

Again, sorry for my rudeness, i had the worst day yesterday, and literally passed out right after writing the first one.

The Real Bobby Fulbright and Morality

Hey hey! I am back with yet another analysis post, this time focusing on Fulbright's morality! I often see fanon interpretations of him - that are super fun! - but I also feel like they focus on the positive aspects of his personality and avoid the darker ones, so I will be rambling about that under the cut! Enjoy B)

Before we get into specific examples, it is worth pointing out that this analysis is based off of:

The theory that Dual Destinies didn't originally have the phantom as the main villain.

That the phantom was included later in the story after several chapters were already finished.

The theory that Dual Destinies was going to deal with darker themes before it got altered.

Now, although I have more detailed arguments on why I believe in these points, this post is not about that (Though if anyone wants to hear my thoughts about it, I'd love to yap about that in another post ^^). In a nutshell, Fulbright's behaviour changes in between cases, in a way that suggests that his character was revamped. I believe that Fulbright was originally written without the phantom in mind.

Thus! While his character might've had his purpose shifted, if my belief is correct, then The Monstrous Turnabout - the first case with Fulbright - is the most accurate glimpse into what the real Bobby Fulbright was like. Yes, we are meta analysing it up in this house!

Via the assumption that The Monstrous Turnabout has the original idea for the real Fulbright, we can make some interpretations of what he's like, despite the canon saying it was the phantom impersonating him! ^^

So, onto actual examples (lovingly chosen from my transcript) and analysis!

Starting off strong, we first meet Fulbright with him wanting to arrest Apollo and Athena. Yes, there is the potential reasoning of "disturbing a crime scene", but the lawyers had only just gotten there. They had done nothing wrong. That is unlawful arrest! Them coming to the crime scene had several explanations, and yet Fulbright won't even hear them out:

[???] “Hey, who are you and what are you doing here? This is a crime scene!”

[AJ] “And who are YOU? Are you with the police?”

[???] “I asked first! Who are YOU and what are you doing here?! On second thought... I’m placing you under arrest for disturbing a crime scene!”

He prioritizes lunch over actual, genuine justice here, not even bothering to hear them out. He only changes his tune after finding out that they're lawyers. Even then, he doesn't allow them to investigate. Though that is what all Ace Attorney detectives do, I think the subtle threat that comes afterwards is important.

[AJ] “Ack! Under arrest?! B-B-But...”

[???] “Save it for the boys back at HQ! Now, come quietly or else! I don’t want to be late for lunch!”

Yes, he never pulls out a gun in the series (besides attempting to do so in Turnabout for Tomorrow as the phantom), but I believe that the inherent threat and power that Fulbright holds in this situation is worth mentioning. Apollo's assumption that Fulbright could pull out a gun is also quite telling in my opinion. Fulbright is a cop at the end of the day.

[BF] “Cease and desist at once, or you’ll have to deal with my little friend here!” { Hand goes to his holster }

[AJ] “Ack!” (Yikes! Is he reaching for his...?!)

[BF] “In justice we trust!” { Shows badge }

[AJ] “...!” (Phew, it’s just his badge.)

[BF] “This door simply will not open! We’ve tried and tried, but it won’t budge! It’s an essential part of the culture found in this manor, so we can’t blow it up either!”

The next concerning aspect I've found, is the seemingly normalized use of excessive force. The only reason they're not blowing up the door is because of its cultural significance. That is insane! It can be argued that it's not Fulbright's decision, however, the lack of reaction from everyone involved signifies to me that this is the norm.

With this moment, I wish to point out Fulbright's black & white thinking. I acknowledge that this is consistent for all detectives in the series, but it is a piece of characterization that is very important - Fulbright is very quick to call Tenma a villain, evil, a fiend. Thinking that someone is guilty and thinking that someone is evil are quite different imo.

[AJ] “So you still think Mayor Tenma is responsible?”

[BF] “That’s right! Damian Tenma is an evil fiend who must be banished from this world! Now, take my hand and together we will defeat this evil!”

[BF] “I won’t fall for that, you shameless rascal! I only help good little boys and girls!”

In general, Fulbright tends to think in an us vs them mentality - the people he likes are good, while the ones he dislikes are bad. He helps good people and puts away bad people. In a sense, yes, that's what a cop is supposed to do.

[BF] “Ha ha! My investigations are as thorough as they are foolproof, or my name isn’t Fulbright! I vow to resign immediately if I ever make a false arrest!”

However, this line paints a grim picture. Fulbright implies that he has never made a false arrest. That is statistically impossible, and implies that he has not only made false arrests before, he has also managed to get them convicted! The fact that the first time we meet him, he tries to arrest us only amplifies this point!

[BF] “What?! Are you questioning my sense of justice?!”

When he is confronted with an argument against his beliefs, he hides behind justice. In a way, he hides behind his badge, the very item that allows him to make the decisions on who is being painted as guilty, and who is not. In fact, he doesn't even question his beliefs.

[BF] “Prosecutor Blackquill! We’ve had enough of your hijinks! The foundation of justice is fair play, and you are in serious violation of that!”

And finally, the so-called 'jolts of justice'. I've seen arguments in the past claiming that the real Bobby Fulbright would never use electrical shocks on Blackquill. I politely disagree. Considering all the previous examples, I think it aligns with his behavioural patterns and is the epitome of his morality.

And thus, I would like to briefly propose my personally crafted theory about Dual Destinies: The game was originally going to delve into darker themes, and Fulbright's corruption was at the center of that.

Yes, Fulbright believes in justice, in good and bad. He has good intentions. But at the end of the day, he is a cop that holds power over others and justifies his wrongdoings with... well, justice. So long as he believes that he is doing the right thing, he is willing to reach for extremes.

I think this is often missed due to Fulbright's comical mess ups and overall cheery and charming demeanour. The characters don't really react to his more... extreme decisions either.

Consider a world where the phantom was not the main twist of the series, but some aspects remained. Such as... The tampering with evidence... Abusing police position to cover up a crime... Framing innocent suspects... It fits into the previously showcased negative traits of his.

Ergo, the real Bobby Fulbright might not be as justice-driven as many may believe. There are many details that tend to get overlooked when it comes to him, especially in fanon. Which is fine and good! It is comforting to think of a policeman that does his job properly. However, I also find this darker side absolutely fascinating and worthy of discussion.

Thank you for reading, and I hope you enjoyed this silly analysis post! Do feel free to argue or ask questions, I love a good debate and I love yapping <3