#they literally deny enby folk exist

[luaminesce]

Me: Revolian? What the hell is that?

-Finds it's basically just TERF rethoric, casual transphobia, and homophobia in a progressive-sounding package-

Me: ...Why am I not surprised at this point...?

[butchbarbieagainstterfs]

terfs will throw a bitchfit about a trans person consensually dating and having sex with a cis person and how they're evil r*pists for ~forcing~ that poor cis victim to sleep with the evil trans person and how it's "conversion r*pe" but then don't even blink when saying "yeah that trans man got r*ped by a lesbian SPECIFICALLY because she wanted to turn him cis but it's not in any way conversion r*pe and we're not gonna acknowledge the REASON why he was r*ped because it's not important, also transphobia doesn't exist :)"

honestly if they deny the explicit reason as to WHY i was r*ped and how it's a hate-crime specifically against my identity as a trans man, i don't care about their sympathy. if you're not willing to take the whole truth, your sympathy doesn't mean shit to me.

^^^^^^

They think conversion therapy is fine as long as it’s against trans people and they think ‘joking’ about ‘fucking the they/them’ out of enbies for example is apparently funny.

As if cishet men don’t say the same exact shit about lesbians and as if trans folk don’t literally experience correctional rape. It’s honestly disgusting.

I’m so sorry for what you went through, man. I’m here if you need anything <3 

[beetlemancy]

Anon again: Thank you!! I appreciate you taking the time to answer me because I am kind of active in the community but very very new. I did know your opinions but being new I just wanted to know whether those recent posts held any weight. I want to be socially responsible with my media consumption and I was worried there was something I was missing, given I have seen specific call outs for certain cast members (Travis, Laura, Sam, and Liam) recently. Thanks again!!

Anon pt2: you don’t have to post this but for context the call out posts were as follows: Travis actively supports the military, Laura voiced a black character?, Sam did brown face??, and Liam is fake woke/virtual signaling (or something along those lines). Obviously I can find out information about this for myself but I have seen more anti-CR stuff lately which prompted my ask.

As with everything, I suggest you do your own reading on those topics, and any topic that comes up in regards to the media you watch. Below is simply my opinion. Note: this gets long.

Travis does support the military - but not as an institution. He has family in the military. He supports the soldiers. He works with Operation Supply Drop and I’d encourage you to look into OSD specifically. Whether you agree with the idea that we should even have a military or not, you cannot deny that our veterans and soldiers are given the short end of the stick. We cannot just abandon them because helping them might be viewed as giving money to the military. I have so many military vets in my disability groups. The VA is awful because it has no funding (I know good people who work at the VA too, but they just cannot help everyone like they’d want to). Programs like OSD are genuinely helpful to a lot of hurting folk and the people who shit on Travis and CR for promoting and helping them out have clearly never actually sat down and talked to a vet or a soldier before. 

Laura and many many other voice actors have voiced people of color in various shows. Yes, this is a legit problem. However, obviously as with most things, the problem is nuanced. The fault mainly lies with the VO industry as a whole, in that actors actually have very little control over what they do. There was a whole strike about this very topic (though the strike covered other issues in the industry as well). In the case of Laura, for instance, she was never told what her character would look like until after the fact. And that is super common in the industry. One of the things they tried to get in the strike was more transparency so that actors could make the decisions themselves whether to voice characters or not - not just based on race or culture but also based on type of work (stressful screaming vs chill dialogue) and whether the content of the game itself was something they wanted their name attached to. 

Sam’s blackface scandal is extremely old news. That’s not to say it isn’t important to note, and in fact Sam made a point to note it again back in 2018. I know people who can’t watch CR because of it, even after his apology, and that’s fine because its not my place to judge others for how they react to that kind of thing. However I know a lot of people who read his apology and the circumstances surrounding it and decided to forgive. To some people, the fact that he was asked to do so by will.i.am changes the situation. To others, it doesn’t. To some the fact that he apologized and has clearly worked to improve his behavior matters, to others it doesn’t. You have to decide that for yourself. You can read Sam’s letter HERE. 

Now. Regarding Liam. * sigh * I think, and again this is my opinion, that you cannot proclaim someone you do not know as ‘fake woke.’ I think there are parts of this fandom that have it out for Liam because of a whole bunch of gross reasons, many of which I’ve spoken about before. He is sensitive and a man - that makes people uncomfy. He plays a lot of women characters and tends to embody them in both personality and body language - that makes people uncomfy. He fully embraces the bi energy (this is not to say whether he himself is or not) - that makes a lot of people uncomfy (and angry). He loves theatre and loves to explore the human condition, warts and all - that makes people super uncomfy. Now. There are people who thinks he’s homophobic. Do you know why? Its because his bi character ended up with a woman instead of a man. That is biphobia, no matter how they twist it. Bi people being “allowed” to be bi and not ‘pick the right side’ in the LG (not BT, lets be real) community IS revolutionary because its so very hated. 

Another reason they say he’s homophobic is because of the jokes he is often involved in - some gay men in the fandom believe that joking about sex is him ‘making fun’ of gay relationships. As a bi enby, I disagree, and I read many of the jokes he himself makes as the kind of humor I use among my own friends. I think there is a definite disconnect between bi vs LG humor and I’m not entirely sure who would be considered in the ‘right’ on that. However, when LG people in the fandom claim that he cannot talk about gay relationships because he is cishet? They cannot know that. That is an assumption they are making. When LG fans say that he alone is responsible for this issue and not -literally every single member of CR- ? I have to question whether its really the issue and not just that they still hate Liam for deigning to make a bi character bi instead of gay.

Another thing re: Liam. Aside from Marisha, he is the one I see the most hate about. People on Twitter and Tumblr both have legit uttered death threats about him if he doesn’t do exactly what they want his characters to do in the game. Usually this is about shipping. I have seen people claim that they WISH he was ‘like vic mignogna’ so they’d have a reason to hate him more. I’ve seen a certain group of people and one in particular say they have ‘dirt’ on him but refuse to say what the dirt is - and yet continually bring up that it exists, but that they just cannot say. Why would you incessantly bring up information you possess just to say that you cannot divulge such information? 

Legit issues about CR that is attached to Liam is the whitewashing issue. Some say that only Liam is responsible here because he controls all the art. I would say that we actually don’t know that for sure. He is ‘Art Dad’ and clearly has some pull. I do think that CR should address this issue, but I’m not sure they can legally do what the fandom wants them to do, which is “call-out” artists by name and denounce them. Now, this too is more nuanced than the fandom makes out because its often way more about colorism vs whitewashing. Many people do not draw Beau as white, but they do draw her as much lighter skin tones than her original art. Colorism is a real problem, but white allies tend to go about talking about it wrong or making smaller things a bigger deal when POC would really rather talk about something more important to them. It was these same white allies that tore Mica Burton apart on Twitter because she liked and enjoyed a drawing of Reani, her own character, that was a few shades lighter than the drawing she herself had brought in, even after she had said that she appreciated the variety of skin tones due to seeing herself in each of them. On the topic of whitewashing/colorism in the fandom, I personally tend to wait to hear from POC over the masses of white allies.

The CR fandom is very big for a niche thing like DnD. As such, there are many many corners of the fandom that can get really jaded, really dark, and really up their own ass in regards to the discourse. There are legitimate issues in the fandom and with CR as a whole. Nothing is perfect, nothing ever will be perfect, and people should absolutely do what they can to do better and to ask their media to do better. That being said, there are also people who think that if you don’t do something exactly like they want, then you’re Problematic by default. There are also members of this fandom who have an active vendetta against certain cast members and will use any opportunity to co-opt legit issues in order to shore up their false arguments. These people are only using the real issues and it becomes clear pretty quickly that they don’t actually give a shit about the people they say they are trying to speak up for. 

There is also some fandom drama that has occurred ONLY in fandom and has absolutely nothing to do with CR other than the fact that the people involved happen to be CR fans. Certain people in the fandom think that CR should arbitrate this issue and involve themselves, call out the individuals responsible, etc. This is, I believe, a GROSS misconception of what CR’s role is and asking way too much of a source of entertainment. The fact that CR has not involved themselves in this issue has led certain members of this fandom to claim that CR is homophobic. I would caution that most callouts of CR as homophobic are directly linked to this first issue, and also a callback to the Vaxleth drama from campaign one, and is incontrovertibly tied to bi and enby-phobia and a seriously sick misunderstanding of the responsibilities a show has versus the responsibility individuals have as viewers of said show. 

That’s it for now. I could go way more in depth on this problems, but I’m tired of typing. Suffice it to say, its easy to make a list of things Problematic with CR, but once you actually delve into each topic hopefully you’ll realize how complicated and filled with nuance and Different Opinions going on back from the first episode of Campaign One... Listing problems without actually addressing them head-on isn’t a good way to deal with the problems that are true anyway, let alone tell them from the false ones. 

[gridelincarver]

Lesbians who love dicks and males are homophobic bisexuals

im fucking tired of all you goddamn transphobes. im not gonna put fuckin links and sources anymore because a) god knows yall never do and b) yall dont even LOOK AT EM. i dont even think yall read what i say, considering the fact that i keep getting messages implying that im either male or i like dick, neither of which are true (as im a biologically female enby dating another biologically female enby and theyre the only person ive dated)

so lets set this straight without fucking neuroscience and shit and its not because i dont understand the neuroscience, bc believe me i do, but because as a biomolecular science major, i know that scientific consensus changes. my college bio teacher always sajd to wait 20 years before trusting any scientific study.  i know that this shit is all still in the works.

but lets be real here we do not need fucking neuroscience to prove that people exist, because our communities have existed for fucking millenia, way before we had fucking brain scans to back it up.

lets start this with something yall clearly do understand. gay people exist. there are people who like the same gender.  its not a choice, its just something we feel. its love and its real.  for some of us we realized it really young and for some of us we realized it a lot later, but we’re all still valid.  however, there are people who claim that it’s a choice. because the thing about this is that it’s in OUR HEADS and they cannot mind read us so they can’t tell that we’re telling the truth (even though WE ARE).  homophobes claim that it is a choice for us to love our own sex/gender, and we can’t technically prove them wrong because its in our heads. the only way for them to believe us is to just BELIEVE US.  they just have to take our word for it! because let’s be real there’s no reason that somebody would go through all the pain of coming out and a smaller dating pool and harassment from family and all that awful shit just because we want to like… play a joke or some shit. we REALLY DO love the same gender and we just want to LIVE OUR LIVES and FIND LOVE and BE HAPPY.

so here’s the real thing that is happening: there are real, living, breathing human beings with feelings and thoughts and friends and emotions and a life who are saying that they feel better living as the opposite gender than what they were assigned at birth and told they needed to live as. there are over a million in the united states alone.  some of them realized this very young, and some of them realized it when they were older, but there are literally millions of them.  and there are people who will go around saying that it’s a choice and that it’s fake, because the only “proof” is BELIEVING THEM, believing US.  of course it’s easy to fucking deny it when all you have to do is say “well they’re lying.” but that’s the sAME FUCKING ARGUMENT as homophobes who are just like “oh theyre lying its a choice.”  but there’s no reason to go through years of harassment and discrimination just for… what?  trans people get disowned, fired, beaten, raped, harassed, assaulted, murdered, all just for being trans.

it comes down to the same fucking thing: BELIEVING PEOPLE about the life that is most authentic to them.

there are people who love others of the same gender. you could try to make some bullshit argument that “oh theyre lying its a CHOICE, biologically we’re all hardwired to like the opposite sex because reproduction” but that would be ignoring thousands of years of gay people and all the people now who are happier with the same sex/gender!there are people who live their lives as a different gender. you could try to make some bullshit argument that “oh they’re lying its a CHOICE, biologically we’re all hardwired to identify as this because genitalia” but that would be ignoring thousands of years of trans people and all the trans people now that are happier living as a different gender!

and if you’re going to try to argue that trans people can’t be gay, do you see now how bullshit that is?  if someone is happiest and most comfortable and most authentic living as a woman loving other women, how the fuck is that anything but just someone living their life.  shes a woman. she loves other women. if she identifies as a lesbian then its bullshit to say she’s not just because of her genitals.  you’re telling her that her experiences are fake, in the same fucking way homophobes tell US GAYS that our experiences our fake and that we’re just choosing to “sin.”  its the same thing.

fucking believe people about how they want to live and what makes them most happy and comfortable. if someone feels fucking gross being called a man then believe them and stop calling them that, just like if someone felt fucking gross being forced to date a man you’d stop making them date a man.  you wouldn’t tell them “well that’s just how it is, ok, you have to date men” so don’t fucking tell trans women “that’s just how it is you have to be a man”

it’s BULLSHIT!  lesbians are people aligned with womanhood who love others that are the same.  trans women ARE women, therefore they can be lesbians and they can be loved by lesbians!  stop telling trans lesbians that they’re just straight men, and stop telling lesbians who are dating trans women that they’re actually just “homophobic bisexuals”!

tl;dr: this ‘debate’ really just comes down to believing people about the way they want to live, the same way being gay comes down to just believing us when we say we love the same sex. telling trans people we’re faking it is just like homophobes saying we’re choosing to love the same gender. fucking stop it.

ANYWAY HAPPY PRIDE TO ALL AMAB TRANS FOLK.  TRANS LADIES, AMAB ENBIES, AND TRANS LESBIANS, I LOVE YOU ALL AND HAVE A WONDERFUL JUNE

[nonbinaryresource]

im aspec and i feel like it influences my gender because, since i never have to consider gender compatibility with someone, i feel like i have no use for a gender since it ought to literally never interfere with how i relate to another person. i guess i'd be an enby of convenience or enby by default. is this like... appropriative? i just can't see the point in pretending like gender means anything to me whatsoever...

I mean, gender doesn’t just exist in the context of romantic and sexual relationships.  For most folks it has nothing to do with how they relate to others at all.  Just because you’re not going to be dating anyone doesn’t mean you’re nonbinary, otherwise all aroaces would be and that’s not the case.

Also I just wanna add real quick that being nonbinary is not in any way convenient.  Just ask my legal fees, strained and severed familial relationships and friendships, professors who deny my existence, coworkers who think I’m a joke…. I’ll stop there before this turns into a rant.  But please don’t patronize us like that.

-Quinn