#they just weren't expecting the insane assassins cult

[bluerosefox]

Test Tube Babies, Spleens, and Fruitloop Father?! NOPE. No thanks.

Danny and Ellie take a small, reincarnation, vacation from their duties in the Infinite Realms (King Danny and his most trusted Knight/Princess Ellie). Don't worry, they leave the Realms in good hands (Jazz, Pandora, Frostbite, CW, etc, basically Danny's main council takes over for a few years)

They both weren't expecting to wake up in an assassin cult though.... Nor to find out they're five year old twins now... Twin, somewhat clones of the leader and this guy Red Robin their 'father' is kinda obsessed with....

Great their 'father' is an insane assassin leader fruitloop and their 'dad' is named after a fast food joint... whose barely out of his teens btw.

Danny al Ghul Danyal, cast a glance as his full blooded and twin sister this time around Helen Ellie al Ghul who rolled her eyes as they listened to their 'father' ramble on and on about their 'dad' and how they were created to be his heir (Danny mostly, though he had plans on Ellie going to be trained to be his body guard by someone named Lady Shiva soon)

Yeah, no. Ellie dealt with one evil fruitloop father who cloned her once before, she's not dealing that again or falling for the 'I created thus I love you but not really' bs. They need to leave, like yesterday.

Hopefully their 'dad' is... okay he doesn't need to be okay with it at first but hopefully comes around to it, okay with the two of them showing up on his doorstep soon.

And you know what, they're gonna bring him a gift.

His spleen. Yeah it'll be good to give that back to him.

Since you know that was how they got clones to begin with... Maybe don't leave your DNA with people that can make clones next time.

[mrrow-of-laughter]

this is gonna be very fun

> destabilizing the kingdom

are we talking about the coup, or the tragedy?

> kidnapping flayn

y'know reading back my post, my argument was pretty weak, but i still don't see how she benefited from it

> that's why she actively hid the truth about twsitd

are you sure that it's because she just really wants to work with them? imagine you come up to someone and say insane mole people cult is living beneath leicester territory like. how would you even go about that. do you expect her to just walk up to dimitri and claude and just say that.

> her silence on the truth of the tragedy

read the above point. dimitri, the prince, has extremely hard time convincing people that duscur was not behind the assassination. how do you think a foreign princess would look if she started paddling a theory about the fact that this crazy underground cult did it and cornelia and all these important people are part of it with no proof

> her assassination attempts on dimi and claude

see i could make an entire post about this but fyi it's heavily implied she knew the mercenaries were there.

> using her power as princess to protect a serial killer like jeritza

y'know what? i'll give you this one

> having jeritza kidnap ppl like monica a year prior

oh now this is just made up 😭😭 nothing at all implies that she was behind that, she wasn't even at the academy and neither was jeritza iirc

> desecrating the remains of rheas family

you guys always bring this up as if edelgard totally definitely knew the stones they make weapons from are dragon remains. she was stealing what she believed was a weapon that rhea would use against her. this is just blaming her for not knowing what you, the player, know after having played all the routes. and like if this is your first route you don't even know this at the time anyway. you are literally the all-knowing player. she is just a character. lmao

> lying to her people about who was behind the javelins of light

as opposed to what? if you ask me then keeping the knowledge of aforementioned evil underground cult that can bodysnatch people between as few people as possible is in fact a good call

> exclaimed that it was worse than she thought it'd be

that's what everyone thought though? during the entire chapter the villagers were just acting weird, they weren't going on rampages or killing people. they were all in the idea that they'd just head to remire at the end of the month, do a patrol, look around and leave. nobody expected for all that to go down

> jeritza her own pawn regularly harms the populace

the "populace" being criminals and enemy soldiers lol

> repeatedly put her classmates in danger

i can't think of a single time she did that aside from chapter 12. everything after that they fully consented to when they followed her

> straight up threatens to kill them if they resist

she tells them to stand down and that she doesn't wanna fight them but will if they stand her way. what do you want lmao

> she benefited considerably from kronya and solon's experiments on remire and the students

first off kronya wasn't apart of any experiments, second, how did she benefit exactly

> turning people into demonic beasts

right. which the twsitd did, not her, and judging from the fact you didn't dispute my claim about them having power over her then we're in agreement right?

> attacking the alliance which declared itself neutral

it wasn't neutral. in non cf routes, they literally push their way into gronder just to try and fight her and dimitri. in cf, they are actively in conflict with each other and claude is trying to present them as neutral to avoid a civil war. this is outright stated multiple times i don't understand how people miss this. one part is pro-empire (like gloucester) and the other is anti-empire (like riegan and goneril).

> using literal propaganda because civilians were against war

can i please see where she used propaganda?

> the only reason she had support from bergliez and hevring is because she promised them lands and power

i was under the impression she won bergliez over after the battle of the eagle and lion. i do recall they supported her but i don't think they ever stated why. if you have proof tho i will withdraw my point

> so much for being against nobility hm?

this is such a stupid point literally just "society sucks" "but you LIVE in society! i'm very smart" lmao. also, even if you were right, this is war politics. she didn't implement her changes until after the war (see: literally every ending)

so i saw something was happening and didn’t wanna miss out

Buddy no one is excusing genocide. I never said that the Kingdom people were excused of committing genocide on Duscur nor did I say that they are free of the wrongdoing. I said that it happened because Lambert was killed by TWSITD and it wouldn’t have happened otherwise i.e cause and effect. Because prior, Faerghus and Duscur did have good relations. So to make it clear: Kingdom people commiting genocide on Duscur as a result of their King’s murder is bad and wrong AND Genocide was due to an assasination of the King commited by TWSITD for the future Emperor’s benefit. If you don’t think these two arguments/claims can coexist, I don’t know what to tell you.

it was, in fact, done so they could destabilize the kingdom for a future takeover. even if that is the case though, i’d like to know how edelgard is responsible for that. she was like… 13 or 14. i’m not sure where this argument started but i fail to see how it’s relevant to “edelgard bad”.

I saw the post and I think it’s absolute horseshit. Just because Edelgard takes Kronya (which doesn’t matter and feels like a deflection on your end) doesn’t mean she doesn’t take Flayn. As the quote says “Bring me the two women and step away”, which means she was okay with kidnapping Flayn. Also there’s some Flame Emperror soliders, I think it’s very telling that Edelgard had a hand in this.

admittedly, raxis makes a lot of assumptions, but so do you. she has nothing to gain from kidnapping flayn at all. if you have an argument to the contrary, i’d love to hear it. i don’t at all see how kidnapping flayn would benefit her in any way. she could have been trying to kidnap her, and she also could’ve just been trying to get her away. we don’t know. also, they’re literally classmates, i think if she wanted to kidnap her super bad, she would’ve had many other better opportunities.

She was aware of what exactly was happening during Remire if this conversation is anything to go by and considering you don’t go to Remire until the end of the month, she did nothing to descalate the situation and just let it happen so that she could use it to her advantage. And it matters in this case because she knew who was responsible, what exactly was going on and just let it happen.

that’s also a lot of assumptions. she says in every route that she would’ve stopped them had she known. i don’t see why she would lie about that, because she’s in her disguise and again, has nothing to gain from lying. that, and i always thought the conversation with hubert was about something that happened a longer time ago, not something that was like, actively happening, judging from the way he says everything. keep in mind that at this point, the villagers were just behaving “strange”, they weren’t going on killing rampages, so there’s no reason for hubert to talk about it like some grand tragedy they couldn’t prevent in the past.

Whom she defies and bad mouths and still faces no reprecussions with the exception of Cornelia. I know your argument is that she uses the church to defy him well then what’s stopping Thales from doing an investigation on the matter specifically in the forest? He did it for Cornelia in Arianrhod why couldn’t he do it for Kronya and Solon? What is he? An idiot? It’s almost like he doesn’t care or maybe he can’t do anything about it cause he doesn’t have the power. Almost like he’s her puppet.

because kronya and solon are completely disposable pawns. both have already been revealed as members of the agarthans, while thales and cornelia are still in disguise and holding positions of power. tomas was someone with moderate influence i guess, but he and monica were mostly random people and when solon and kronya disguised as them, they essentially were meant to be the men on the inside, your average joes someone would never suspect, while thales and cornelia hold positions of significant power - arundel is the regent of the empire and cornelia is the faerghus court mage. we already know thales and solon only used kronya as a means to an end - who’s to say solon isn’t the same? kronya did her job and killed jeralt, therefore solon was fine with sacrificing her. solon tried to get rid of the vessel of sothis, and he miserably failed. that’s all the relevant info thales needs to say “yeah, whatever”. the reason he got mad over cornelia was because she was an essential part of them maintaining a foothold in the politics of fodlan, which neither solon nor kronya were. he doesn’t care because edelgard killing kronya and solon means absolutely nothing to their grander plans.

i’ll put your last point, if you can call it that, here with this. i’m gonna double down and say that yes, actually, thales giving orders to edelgard and hubert is in fact a solid argument for why he’s their boss and not the other way round. now, i’m not gonna sit here and say he phrases them as requests because it’s some kinda intimidation tactic, that’s way too far into speculation territory for me, but he does, in fact, phrase his orders as requests. it’s literally flat out stated.

but wait, i have more. did you know this line is mistranslated? i can’t really grab a source right now, but you can ask anyone who speaks japanese, or you can literally just throw it into google translate. if i find where i first read it, i’ll link it, but in case you think i’m just making things up, i’m not - it’s enough of a big deal for the wiki to have a note there that corrects the mistranslation. basically it has the exact opposite meaning. my question is, why would edelgard then have to trick the agarthans if she is in fact their boss? from the original quote, if anything, it sounds like cornelia thought they were controlling her. if they were her puppets, there would be no need to trick them, because they’d just obey her.  

as for the badmouthing - you think that the agarthans would just be totally okay with their supposed puppetmaster wanting to eradicate them? thales knows about her hatred for them - if nothing else, she outright says as much in the scene, so he has to know by that point. i don’t understand what means she would have of controlling them, because she’s made it completely clear she does not want to see them reach their “salvation”. say this is true and she was ordering them around - what’s stopping them from rebelling against her? they have extremely advanced technology. they literally have massive robots. if she really is their puppetmaster and has all the control over them, then explain why they’re fine with her outright saying she will destroy them, despite that directly clashing with their plans (obviously) and obeying her - and don’t say it’s because they don’t have the military or political power, because they do. so again, i don’t see what leverage she has over them. like you said, they’re not stupid. if they thought their supposed leader was going to go against their plans which have spanned across centuries, they would’ve done something. the only reason why they would entertain her musings about wanting to destroy them and not act at all is if they were sure she wouldn’t pull anything, which is only really possible if they have enough control over her.

that also answers the question you asked - why does thales get mad over cornelia but not solon? not only is cornelia very important to thales and the agarthans, but also because of that importance, this is edelgard showing she actually means business when she kills her. up until then, she didn’t do much aside from the occasional remark and taking out pawns that they had little use for anyway - something thales lets her get away with because it has no impact on the greater picture. but cornelia was extremely important and edelgard knows that - it’s an “oh shit” moment for thales because up to that point he thought edelgard was all bark and no bite. her taking action against one of their major actors disproves that. this is why he retaliates - he wants to show her that if she actually strays from their plans, there will be consequences.

[bluerosefox]

I couldn't help myself. My brain worm got active.

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By the time Danny returns to Gotham, his mother planning on visiting him and her new grandbaby once she deals with... the thermos that held a certain half ghost in it in her own way, a way Danny knew he'll never have to see that crazed fruitloop ever, ever again.

Danny was no stranger to death.

Hey he was half alive and half dead, raised in an assassin cult in his youth, and fought ghosts on a daily where fighting nearly feral was considered bonding between them. Death was a natural thing to him, so when it happens it just happens, sure when he was younger he tended to stay his hand more often than his mother and brother much to his grandfather's annoyance but that didn't mean he never killed before. He had, in his past but only to those that truly deserved it, but ever since his 'mission' to Amity Park he was happy to never actually kill anymore. And besides he can not blame his mother for doing what she had been taught for ages, it was like asking a tiger to change it stripes in a day. Impossible.

Besides he knew she loved him, in her own assassin raised way, and destroying ones enemy, especially the enemies of her children, was her love language.

But Danny was getting off track in his thoughts. He had just got back to Gotham after chasing and hunting down Vlad with his mother and needed to see his... Clone? Somewhat clone? No not clone anymore. Daughter? Yes daughter. She felt more like a daughter now. Danny had heard of those kind of bonding's from Frostbite and some other ghosts, he knew what a sibling bond felt like but his bond with... Danielle? Ellie? Changed the moment he held her tiny little body in his arms.

Which also was the only reason Danny hadn't ripped Vlad's dumb head off his shoulders when he found out the fruitloop had done to Ellie in his latest attempt to clone him. He had plans on 'scrapping' Danielle's DNA to study it and try again at creating his 'perfect' son. Ha, as if Danny was 'perfect', the fruitloop was so insane and delusional that he never, not once, noticed Danny wasn't his 'beloved' Maddie's or Jack Fentons blood child, and they weren't even hiding it either! It was known in Amity Park that Danny had been adopted as a child!

Or rather somewhat adopted. Danny didn't know if there was a technical term for how he came into being a Fenton.

After all, one normally wasn't sent away on a 'mission' by ones own mother and twin to keep them safe from their insane somewhat immortal grandfather who didn't like him because he was more like his father in terms of morals and his ability to grant mercy, something he did a lot more than his mother and brother. In fact Vlad was the first person he wouldn't mind fully being 'Ended' in years, that's how pissed off Danny was with the fruitloop.

Danny shook his head, again he was getting off topic. He needed to go to Wayne Manor, visit Damian, and pick up Ellie... And he suppose meet his birth father as well, who no doubt now knew of Danny's existence from the texts he had gotten from Damian and the attempted calls his mother from her 'Beloved' had gotten when she was helping him hunt Vlad down.

And he guessed, also meet his other adopted siblings and the Batclan as well.

Danny stopped at the gates of Wayne Manor, sure he could easy make his way to the door or even inside with his abilities but Damian had texted him about Alfred Pennyworth enough that Danny was willing to respect the man and enter the manor as a guest first. He looked around and saw the call button most rich manors had and pushed the button.

A few seconds later a voice rang out from the speaker

"Ah, Master Danyal, we've been expecting you. Allow me to open the gate."

Danny gave the tone the butler used a warm smile, the guy totally reminded him of Clockwork just from this single interaction alone.

"Thanks!" Danny cheerfully said in response as the gate buzzed and opened up for him. He made sure to jog up towards the manor, his core humming, purring, and content at the thought of seeing his Ellie, and knowing she was no doubt safe with his twin who Danny knew was no doubt wrapped around her teeny-tiny fingers already, and before he knew it he was at the door.

He knocked once and the door opened almost instantly. He was met with an elder man, dressed in a butler uniform, and Danny knew this was no doubt Alfred.

"Welcome Master Danyal. Please do come in and I'll escort you to where Young Miss Ellie and the others are waiting." Alfred said kindly and allowing Danny inside.

"Thanks but umm I like being called Danny. Only Mother and Damian really call me Danyal anymore." Danny responded as he walked into the manor, taking note of how big the place was and wondered the 'what ifs' of what could and should had been his home.

Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk and all that. He liked his life with the Fenton's, even granted how insane it had been, and yeah sure they Fenton adults tended to get... caught up in their work more often than nought but he still got to enjoy a somewhat normal childhood with them, got some parental love that didn't need to be hidden behind doors, and got an amazing big sister in the form of Jazz.

Alfred gave a kind smile, closed the door, and nodded his head once "Of course Master Danny. Come this way."

Danny smiled back and went to follow the man out of the entrance room and down a long hallway. The two walked in silence for a moment, Danny allowing his eyes to look around and catching glimpses of hanged photos, framed artwork, expensive looking vases and other things.

"Young Miss Ellie and the others are in the family room right now. She woke up not to long ago and has been up since." Alfred said as he stopped in front of a closed room, and Danny could hear talking behind the closed doors with his enhanced hearing.

With that Alfred opened the door and Danny held back a laugh as he watched from the doorway as Ellie, his tiny daughter, lazily float over to one of the biggest guys in the room, Ancients is that a Reverent?!, and try to cuddle with. The guy seemed stunned for a moment before almost stumble to put his arms out under Ellie in case her powers suddenly stop and he needed to catch her.

Danny coo'ed. Ellie had such strong opinions already!

Twins Danny and Damian but! They both know where the other is (Damian going to Bruce and Danny being sent to the Fentons on a mission at a young age), has kept in touch and all that.

They just...never got around to telling anyone about the other.

That is until Danny comes interrupting Damian on patrol one night in a panic, pushes a bundle into his arms and hurriedly says "Read our texts! It'll explain! I gotta go, got a fruitloop on my tail! Be back when I can!"

And rushes off. When Damian looks down at the bundle in his arm, ignoring the yelling on comms and Nightwing rushing over, he is stunned to see a almost identical face to that of his brother staring back at him, only he can tell its female from the more delicate features.

When he later reads the texts his brother sent during his patrol... well he's tempted to go fruitloop hunting but he has a niece to take of... and inform his father of his granddaughter he's currently holding.