#they don't even say that Ray and Saeran have did because of their childhood trauma
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red-and-blonde-moved · 4 years ago
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I'm trying to get one of Jumins bad endings because I'm bored, and I really love how the way to get a bad ending is to just have the appropriate response to basically being kidnapped
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marshmallowprotection · 3 years ago
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I’m really curious.. how would Saeran react to a mc with D.I.D. More specifically suit saeran reaction?
[This had been answered for GE Saeran]
Suit Saeran definitely wouldn't have expected this if it wasn't anywhere in the information that Ray had put down about you. He would have spent the evening before he came to see you learning about you as much as humanly possible. 
There are things that he picked up when he was close to the front as he could be when Ray was out, but there are things that were purely unavailable to him before the accident happened about yourself that he has to learn on his own either by making you tell him or by going through what he has. He wants to know everything about you so he can turn everything against you.
Here's the difficult part about this realization. This is a disorder that only manifests when you have suffered from serious childhood trauma. The thing about him is that he doesn't think that you're the kind of person that has gone through something traumatic. 
The way that you acted with Ray told him that you seemed like the kind of person that was full of happiness and only knew about a world of compassion. He never would have imagined that you would have gone through something like what he did. It just doesn't make any sense to him and it would really shatter the view of the world that he has. It's already a very small view because he is only holding onto himself by the skin of his teeth.
The only reason that he is able to sustain himself is because he is feeding off of this mentality of strength and if he doesn't find something to keep it sustainable then the world around him says to call bowl and he simply can't control himself anymore. He spirals out of control the more that he is unable to believe in survival of the fittest. 
There's a reason why he breaks down when he does and that has a lot to do with the fact that you don't respond and give up. You don't return anger or hatred onto him, but you don't let him speak about you or where your himself with such malice. That alone is enough to mess with his head, if you were to account for the fact that this diagnosis means that you're no different than him and Ray... it messes with his head and he doesn't know how to feel about what's happening to him internally.
What does it say about him if you and the rest of your system were able to survive such horrible things and turned out this way? What does it say about him if strength is not built on anger and power, but instead kindness and generosity? That fact is one that would burn at his soul. 
He already has his own identity crisis and the realization that comes along with you and general in this sense... well. It's not going to work out for him all that well emotionally. He's already treading water and anything can easily push him underneath. How is he supposed to cope with the situation is everything that he knows is a lie?
The most likely thing that he would do would be to have a knee-jerk reaction. He might think that you're lying or claim that you're lying, but internally he's beating himself up and having a crisis. Because if he acknowledges that you are a system, that means that there is something wrong with him. 
He doesn't have the language or the understanding of his own disorder to understand the inner workings. He would assume that he was broken because the way that he deals with his pain is not the way that you deal with your pain, and if he hasn't met any of the other Alters yet, it's hard for him to deal with that. Because if you don't have someone in your system that is similar to him, it'll ship away at what little ego he has.
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marshmallowprotection · 4 years ago
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hey! SE Saeran anon here! I agree Unknown/SE Saeran is a diff personality than Ray & Suit Saeran, bc he came to be during that 2 yr time period. But I like to believe that SE Saeran, Suit Saeran, and Ray are all aware of each other! Ik you've written abt them before but from my understanding, they aren't/don't share experiences and memories? Sorry if I'm interpreting wrong!
That's actually a whole point of what happens with dissociative identity disorder.
You are pointedly disconnected from your trauma to the point that it's protecting you from something that is a very bad and detrimental to you. Not every single person within the system will be a trauma holder. Not every person is going to have the same memories and not every person is going to know what's going on at all times with the body. That's the whole part of the dissociation. Most people that find out that they are not a singlet tend to find out when they're older in life, when you start missing hours and days, being places that you don't remember getting to, and vice versa. There may be a very specific reason why you don't know, trauma is a very touchy subject.
I guess let me preface this with the fact that I link Another Story and the Casual/Deep Routes. I do I know that many people don't do that but that's what I do and that's why I do certain things when I'm writing with them.
I can say this from secondhand experience with my partner who I've been with before knew he had DID. They did not appear and come forward until the situation called for it, and we found out that way. In my take on SE Saeran, he was once Unknown, and now he's just going by Saeran at this point. He is trying to get his life back together and just as he starting to open back up and work on everything that he's been pushing away, Ray awakens once more and is needed. Saeran is overwhelmed and cannot handle is going on around him and Ray can. That was his purpose when he was the host of the system.
He was dormant, meaning that he was literally gone for two years. He woke up in a reality where he didn't exist anymore, he was living in the bunker, and he was nowhere near Magenta and he had no explanation for it. He had no way of accessing the memories that belong to Saeran. He can't just magically connect to those pieces because that's not something that he has. He has to learn by looking through things and asking a lot of questions. His role is kind of a caretaker because he can do anything without complaining and take care of everything.
Now, in comparison to that, Suit Saeran was not dormant in this timeline. He just wasn't needed, not in the way that he was needed when Ray was around. Unknown was able to do what he had to do and be a strong person so Suit never had to go step into things. And, when Saeran starts to really suppress his anger because he's scared of hurting people, this is too much for Suit, he'll tell the household to call him Grave later on, and he lashes out. He has held on to all of the anger that they had, and when someone isn't dealing with anger how they used to it makes him want to lash out. He comes out because Saeran is scared of being angry but the thing is, it's okay to be angry, it's just you have to know how to express it without hurting others. Grave hasn't quite learned how to do that. He contains a lot of the same memories that Saeran has.
I implied in the one shot that was his that they were co-conscious sometimes. I could describe that to you how I've heard it described to me before and that's like two people being in the front seat of a car together. Like you can both see where you're going with one person might be steering in the other person might be directing, it's different for everyone.
There can be times when two personalities blur together and that tends to happen with Grave and Unknown a lot. It's just that Lila, my MC, had no way of knowing that. Nobody did. Saeran was aware of Grave, but he didn't think Grave was going to be a problem because he had been quiet for quite some time.
There's Su-Jin as well, but you didn't ask about their little so I won't go into detail about that unless you want me to. They do become aware of each other after this point so while they do know that everyone exist at this point they may not always be connecting with each other. It's a little hazy as Saeran gets used to this sensation of having more than himself around again. As they try to learn how to work together and exist together.
Yes, they can talk to each other and interact with each other but they may not hold some of the same memories. Again, that's the point of the disassociation. Sometimes they may have shared memories if they were co-conscious during the same situation or maybe they have an idea of what they were going to be doing that day but not quite what the other was doing at that moment. If you're talking about memories in the context of what may have happened in the past, then no they don't always share memories like that. Like, Saeran cannot recall things that happened to Ray. Su-Jin holds very specific trauma memories from their childhood that some of them can't even remember with glaring detail, for example.
Does that make sense? I can try to explain it further if you need me to or give you a reference material to read up on or watch. Cause, I'm just a singlet doing my best to be mindful and respectful. They are aware of each other once they make their presence known, meaning Ray, Grave and Su-Jin. Like, Ray didn't tell Saeran that he was there until the third time he happened to wake up in the body, he was scared and thought it was a fluke.
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