#theres a lot of intentional stuff going on that I'll talk about later/when its done

[doing-something-unholy]

Lament for Icarus inspired WIP, digital paint with the sketch underneath so you can see the stuff I haven't rendered yet :P

[hisgxrlfriday]

RR fans and their scary parasocial ways

So I've been thinking about this for a little while and with the WWWY announcement a lot of attitudes have been re-emphasised online. I love Ryan and I honestly just feel bad- I don't think ruined is the right word nor am I trying to speak on his behalf. A lot of this is my opinion, but also, I'm really not making stuff up I'm just using them to justify my viewpoint. I'm gonna try and break it up into paragraphs, i know i said an essay but I'm in the middle of exams and theres nothing i want less than to write another damn essay.

Without further ado, here's my commentary on fan culture and how it how seems to have impacted Ryan Ross.

To clairfy, I'm assuming he's a bit done wiith the whole fame thing based off how little we see of him- compared to like, Jon.

Initial reception-

Obviously Panic blew up massively very early on, when they were very young. And fans treated them really gross. As a band they were harassed- if someone said to their favourite artist today "I want to lick you" they would get torn up. But there's a video where they talk about these kinds of comments being made to them at shows, and the interviewer laughs. These kids were young. Jon wasn't old enough to drink. And the behaviour was considered totally fine. Was it because they were a bunch of teenage boys, why wouldn't they want hot chicks all over them?

I'm not going to evaluate the effects harassment has. I am, however, sure you can understand. Yes that is just one example. But theres no doubt it happened plenty of times and people did not care. I'll go more into the sexualisation of the members later as well. But yeah. This was the treatment people dished out to Panic, its kinda obviously not cool! This is certainly more general than the rest, btw.

That fan who pretended to be Brendon Urie-

The sheer extent Chelsey Lynn went to in order to catfish Ryan is literally incriminating.

Here are the details: https://www.tumblr.com/pathetic-at-the-disco/171916782926/the-time-that-ryan-ross-was-catfished-by-a-fan

Brendon and Ryan's friendship, according to this, had officially fractured in 2010 and Chelsey wanted to rekindle it. We'll never know the genuine intent and that sucks- not too mention that you could begin to believe that it was driven by a sickening desire to prove 'Ryden'. It sucks that this fractured any chance of Ryan and Brendon hanging again- because Ryan clearly wanted that. And of course, he was so embarrassed. Why would he trust fans, why would he want to interact with anyone after that?

I think its clear that this did have a lasting impact, because Ryan clearly wasnt interested in rekindling the friendship after it occurred, personally I would never want to look at Brendon again after those messages leaked, its just a very personal thing and it sucks. We know that it was awkies between them because of that video from c2016 (made up time based on his hair) where Brendon explains that yeah, they saw each other somewhere and the conversation was super awkward the kind of thing you get from someone you literally toured the world with.

That instance in itself would have been enough for me to flee the country personally, but maybe I'm projecting.

The Milk Fic-

If Brendon Urie knows about it and Gerard Way read it, everyone ever knows about the milk fic. And theres two ways you can address this. I read the milk fic when i was young and it was gross. and then I read it again when I was older and that shit isnt just gross- its like. abhorrent. appalling. offensive. I think the issue with this isn't that its RPF- it's the fact that it is disturbingly vulnerable, highkey is romanticising abuse, and was (and kinda still is) the punchline to too many jokes. Aged 10 I proudly watched 'emo bands on crack' and other videos of the sort a lot, and the milk fic was mentioned a lot. Literally today (october, 2024) I saw a TikTok about it.

I think if i was a celebrity I would want people writing shit about me. Yay for a bit of fanfic. But when the work that is associated with you so broadly on social media is that... blegh. Its like, violating. I love CrankThatFrank, always did, but I'm telling you if Ryan Ross knew anything of CTF's content, which I assume he did based off the interview, Ryan totally knew about the milk fic. And that is no hate, Franks content was banger, and he wasnt the only person who contributed to it. So. I dont know, I dont see why fans would write that, but obviously the only people who would write about celebrities are fans. Its backwards.

[Edit] just proving my point, the photo at the end was posted on Halloween in 2024 and it’s soooo off putting that I’m not even blocking out the user

Conclusion-

I was gonna do a chunk about all his dickriders online but. I hope for their sake and his sake he doesnt see any of it. It's unfortunately embarassing. I'm going to pretend that he is completely unaware of them therefore it cant impact the relationship he has with them.

Anyways. Unsure if the tone of this is perfect, I've not really done a grammar check and I very well could keep adding to this post. Thank you for taking the time to read this all <3 happy to explain my thinking

[foreverautumn89]

They make me so uncomfortable period. And I think its funny that Eddie and Jonathan are basically the same character, but they love Eddie and hate Jonathan its like ok....pretty privilege again. I got such a long rant to go into about the pics and stuff [fed up with fans, not mad at J], but I love how Steve is forgiven for every horrible INTENTIONAL thing he has ever done, but when Jonathan does one thing wrong he can't ever be forgiven and its understandable why Jonathan did what he did pictures in general wise, but when it comes to that pic of Nancy its like-he didnt know she was going to take her shirt off and he IMMEDIATELY stopped taking the pics. And yet everyone hates him for it still years later and won't drop it. And yes J did apologize, but Nancy also talked over him/cut the conversation off to talk about Barb/the demogorgon so...they didn't get much into that apology but she is the one who didn't need to hear the apology. She had already forgiven him. Hell even Steve understood and forgave him but yet their own fans keep harping on about that one damn scene while being blindly loyal to Steve and excusing all the unforgiveable shit hes done to both of them non stop intentionally and for no good or understandable reason but you know....Steve is 'pretty' so he gets a free pass don't you know? Yeah everything he does is completely forgivable somehow. Seriously his weird cult of fans are making me sick to the stomach. Sure just excuse all the abuse he does...then again I'm not better I guess. Idk. That's another thing for another time, again I just don't have time to get into all the talk about what Steve did ext and why I'm trying to see past it its just a whole long story I don't have time for.

I agree both Nancy and J were right and wrong in that situation, but again too long of a story for me to explain what and why. I'm sure you already know what I mean anyway. One day when I get the time I'll write my thoughts of this, but I'll leave it for now.

The blindly loyal Steve fans in general are disgusting. They way they just excuse abuse-I can't even-I'm not getting into a battle on here about Steve cause I know other people will see this and justify his actions and pull bogus cover up bs out of their ass again to justify the way steve behaves and I don't have the time at all to get into it with them and theres so, so many of them I wouldn't even try. Just let them think that Jonathan is the bad guy in all of this-and then watch them switch sides in S5 when Jonathan dies. Its the same shit the fans pulled with Max-I loved her since the beginning, but most the fans hated her and then in S4 all of a sudden everyone is a fan of Max. Watch them pull the same shit with Jonathan in S5 when he dies-immediately everyone will be like oh Jonathan was so misunderstood. It's like shut up and go away already. I can't stand you people. The way they behaved with Max and claiming they loved her all along was just ridiculous and acting like Max didn't become a good character until S4. It's like wtf are you talking about? When shes been great since almost the moment she arrived on the show. I immediatley felt with her and connected with her. Maybe the fans of ST just can't connect with abused children cause Jonathan and Max and Will get a lot of hate for 'the way they behave' and they were all abused. So idk if that has something to do with it? But you think people would actually FEEL for them and realize that, not immediatley jump on the hate bandwagon but isn't it nice to know the way people really feel about abuse victims? and how they blame them for stuff constantly? and victim blame ALL THE TIME? That's great. That says a lot about humanity doesn't it?

Oh yeah I've seen A LOT of hate about Jonathan and Charlie. It's bad enough they insult Jonathan, but I've seen plenty of people attacking Charlie too. Yep, thats the same type of comments I see about him all the time too. It's just ridiculous.

I know. It's almost impossible to find someone who hates Steve. That's why me and my friend joke all the time about how the ST fans PERFECTLY represent the town of Hawkins-they WORSHIP Steve Harrington, but Jonathan Byers is the lowest form of scum on the earth. And its funny because they hate the townspeople of Hawkins and yet don't realize that they are *exactly like them*. It's like wow that's a fascinating bundle of crazy right there... Oh the majority of the fans are also homophobic, just like the townspeople of Hawkins. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the majority of the fans were the actual townspeople of Hawkins that would make a lot of sense lol.

I agree with the last thing you said about Steve.

I guarantee you that to defend Steve (a fictional character on a tv show), you do not have to attack Charlie (a real person)