#jonathan is an adorable little cinnamon roll that must be protected

[foreverautumn89]

Came across yet ANOTHER post about the bra picture again in the Jonathan tag: Basically it said 'I don't understand how Nancy could kiss Jonathan on the cheek/forgive him for the bra picture':

Because unlike the fans, Nancy understood that the picture of her in her bra was taken on accident as there was only one pic taken and he immediatley turned away and he wasn't actually being a pervert like Steve and so many of the fans make it out to be. He did one thing wrong unintentionally in his entire life-and Nancy understood that. In fact my appreciation for Nancy Wheeler grows everytime I see a post like this because she can forgive a mistake unlike the fans and see all the good in Jonathan that other people ignore and knows that the goods in him far outweigh all the bad/that one time he accidentally did something wrong.

I'm sick of finding Jonathan dislike/hate stuff in the Jonathan tag. We really need to create another tag to sort the anti-Jonathan people from the pro-Jonathan people.

I'm sick of having the same repeated conversation every single day. Having to defned him on this same subject every single day. The people that keep saying this stuff-You do understand it, you just don't want to understand it.

Jonathan wasn't being a pervert. He took that one picture on accident. He didn't know she was going to take her shirt off. He didn't not stalk her or follow her there and act like a creepy weirdo. He accidentally came upon her and the party that was going on. Nancy knows Jonathan and knows that he is a good guy who has spent his life devoted to taking care of everyone else and putting others wants and needs ahead of his own and all hes done his entire life was just play mommy and daddy to his baby brother and all he cares about is taking care of Will.

So while you are all like 'eww I'd definitely have kept my distance from that guy'. I'm the opposite. I can understand how Jonathan only has ever done one thing wrong in his life and that it was done on accident btw.

I'd love to date an adorable little gumdrop that devotes his life to taking care of his baby brother and sister, that doesn't conform to societys rules and believes in being true to yourself always chooses love over power, that is selfless and kind, and all the trauma and pain he experienced doesn't make him cold towards people its the opposite, all that pain just made him kinder…. ext ext

Just thank god for people like Nancy Wheeler. Thank you Nancy for not being like the fans of this show and holding the one thing Jonathan did wrong on his life on accident against him and seeing all the good in him.

[foreverautumn89]

I love this. It's basically what I said in another post, but don't forget us Stonathan fans love Jonathan too.

Jonathan is amazing and if people don't realize that then oh well they are missing out and they'll regret it. Not our problem. Jonathan saves people in a different way than Steve does. Steve's way of saving people is action packed, but Jonathan's most of the time is saving them in an emotional way rather than psychically fighting although there are rare times where it is action packed like fighting the flayed or pulling Steve to safety in S1 ext.

I won't explain because I already talked about this yesterday in another post and there are more posts about this I just have to edit so I won't repeat, but even Steve wouldn't be the person he became if it wasn't for Jonathan. Jonathan was the one that saved him emotionally and woke him up and set him on the right path again. If it wasn't for Jonathan, we'd still be stuck with the douchebag Steve from Season 1. Jonathan is the one who made him a better person and inspired him to be better.

There would be no Steve Harrington the superhero we know now if it wasn't for Jonathan. Steve wouldn't even be friends with people like Dustin, Robin, and Eddie if it wasn't for Jonathan, so even if people ignore all the other amazing things that Jonathan has done, the people that say Steve is better than Jonathan because of [whatever thing Steve has done they use as an example] well that is thanks to Jonathan too. Steve wouldn't be Steve if it wasn't for Jonathan Byers.

Anyone that says Jonathan is a waste of space ext ext is just absolutely delusional and can't be reasoned with. Jonathan and Will's relationship is the purest most wholesome thing on the show and I need it to take priority over everything in S5.

Jonathan has ran around all season saving and protecting everyone in the Cali group in more ways than one [....while he was high too which makes it even more impressive] and the fandom still doesn't get it. Idk, but I know its not my problem. They can continue hating Jonathan and discussing why he is absolute trash that supposedly deserves to die [yeah I don't know what tf is wrong with them either] and their 'why tf would Nancy be with him' discussions in their little echo chamber, because meanwhile I'll be here showing Jonathan all my love and devotion just like he shows his loved ones.

i'm sick of people saying jonathan "did nothing this season" and that "he's out of character".

i don't know about you, but i'd be pretty fucked up too if i had gone through half of the things jonathan's been through. he had an abusive dad and had to take care of will from an early age, not to mention all the things related to the upside down, being about to die, and losing his little brother. of course he's fucked up. of course he needs weed to handle his emotions. plus, he has a long distance relationship and they're in the 80s so they don't have enough tech to be in touch all the time.

jonathan grew up with a shitty dad, in a shitty town, with shitty people, and the only ones he truly loves and trusts are his family. and he almost loses his little brother (canonically his best friend and favorite person in the whole world). and yet still he has enough love inside him to support everyone and be in a healthy relationship with nancy. if i were him i'd be in ruins. he's so so strong for that. for still being able to love after everything he's been through.

he constantly puts everyone first and sacrifices himself to help others. he's such a sweetheart and y'all treat him like shit because what? he's smoking weed and he looks kind of sad this season? sorry to break it to you but that's how having a shitty mental health looks! did you really expect him to go on as if nothing had happened?

the only reason why people don't like jonathan this season is because he handles his mental health differently and because his best friend isn't a normative skinny white guy. smoking weed to handle what happened to him is completely normal and exactly what chrissy was about to do (with even stronger drugs). jonathan is still jonathan. he's still lovely and supportive and has proven multiple times that would do anything for both will and el.

i don't know why's everyone saying he's out of character, when the only thing i would fix about his character would be having more screentime. i need to go inside his brain!! give me more jonathan!! to be honest, the cali squad deserved wayyyy more time on screen. jonathan's trauma deserves to be addressed too, because it doesn't start in s1. it starts when his dad was home and jonathan had to protect will. it starts when he didn't have any friends at school because they thought he was a freak. it starts when he started to put everyone else first, and forgot that he was a child too.

oh, and the "he did nothing this season" argument? what's all that about? because if we are referring to defeating vecna we can say the same exact thing about mike and will. i love my boys but the cali squad didn't have enough screentime to do anything and they only started being "productive to saving the world" when el joined them. but not everything has to do with saving the world and vecna! they saved el. they helped el. and in the way, they developed as characters. byler had their development. and jonathan? jonathan is the most amazing brother in the show. without jonathan there, they wouldn't have been able to look for el. he protected the kids with his whole soul. and without jonathan, will would've broken down right then and there.

and i'm not talking about their hug scene. jonathan spends all the season worried about will and protecting both him and mike. and el, too. stop acting like everything he did was being stoned because, yes, it's definitely a big part of the plot, but it's not his whole personality.

jonathan isn't out of character, just admit that you only like shitty mental health to be addressed when it's aesthetically pleasant and when you can ship him with a white skinny guy (this comes from someone who literally ships stonathan. don't sleep on jargyle! it's a great ship).

at this point i think the only ones who appreciate jonathan are jancys, jargyles and bylers! mostly bylers because he's just like us fr he wants to protect will and yell at mike so

[foreverautumn89]

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I just don't like how Jonathan became 'that guy Nancy is dating' instead of having his own storyline. The whole reason I kept watching after S1 was to see more adorable scenes between Jonathan and Will and we still hardly have any.

I know I'm just gonna bawl my eyes out when he dies and it really sucks because the majority of the fandom is cheering it on and wants him to die, so thats not helpful either and makes me feel alone here. But yes hes definitely going to die protecting Will and/or El and its going to break me especially seeing Will's, Hopper's, and Argyle's reactions to it.

I know-Jonathan FINALLY gets the family he deserves, the father he deserves, the best friend he deserves and then hes going to get brutally murdered by some psycho who is obsessed with clocks. How is that fair?

Well on the subject of Steve-I thought this was going to be the season where Steve finally confessed to Jonathan that he was in love with him-but then that just made me sad thinking about Steve's reaction. I actually have a post about it-once again its another post that I never posted-about how sad its going to be that Steve spent the last few years of his life changing his ways/bettering himself all to be worthy of Jonathan's love-and then shortly after he tells Jonathan the truth, Jonathan dies saving his little brother.

This is the very watered down version of that post. Its harder to stomach when you get the full picture but could you imagine that? You spend the past how many years trying to come to terms with your sexuality and improving yourself and get the courage to tell someone how you feel and then you don't even get a chance to be happy with them? They get killed by some psycho.

So Steve's reaction to Jonathan's death would actually be the hardest for me, but then again maybe I'm just a crazy person reading way too much into Steve's storyline. I should really find that document I have about Steve's reaction to Jonathan's death…I feel like the above doesn't do it justice about how sad and devastating it would actually be.

[foreverautumn89]

They make me so uncomfortable period. And I think its funny that Eddie and Jonathan are basically the same character, but they love Eddie and hate Jonathan its like ok....pretty privilege again. I got such a long rant to go into about the pics and stuff [fed up with fans, not mad at J], but I love how Steve is forgiven for every horrible INTENTIONAL thing he has ever done, but when Jonathan does one thing wrong he can't ever be forgiven and its understandable why Jonathan did what he did pictures in general wise, but when it comes to that pic of Nancy its like-he didnt know she was going to take her shirt off and he IMMEDIATELY stopped taking the pics. And yet everyone hates him for it still years later and won't drop it. And yes J did apologize, but Nancy also talked over him/cut the conversation off to talk about Barb/the demogorgon so...they didn't get much into that apology but she is the one who didn't need to hear the apology. She had already forgiven him. Hell even Steve understood and forgave him but yet their own fans keep harping on about that one damn scene while being blindly loyal to Steve and excusing all the unforgiveable shit hes done to both of them non stop intentionally and for no good or understandable reason but you know....Steve is 'pretty' so he gets a free pass don't you know? Yeah everything he does is completely forgivable somehow. Seriously his weird cult of fans are making me sick to the stomach. Sure just excuse all the abuse he does...then again I'm not better I guess. Idk. That's another thing for another time, again I just don't have time to get into all the talk about what Steve did ext and why I'm trying to see past it its just a whole long story I don't have time for.

I agree both Nancy and J were right and wrong in that situation, but again too long of a story for me to explain what and why. I'm sure you already know what I mean anyway. One day when I get the time I'll write my thoughts of this, but I'll leave it for now.

The blindly loyal Steve fans in general are disgusting. They way they just excuse abuse-I can't even-I'm not getting into a battle on here about Steve cause I know other people will see this and justify his actions and pull bogus cover up bs out of their ass again to justify the way steve behaves and I don't have the time at all to get into it with them and theres so, so many of them I wouldn't even try. Just let them think that Jonathan is the bad guy in all of this-and then watch them switch sides in S5 when Jonathan dies. Its the same shit the fans pulled with Max-I loved her since the beginning, but most the fans hated her and then in S4 all of a sudden everyone is a fan of Max. Watch them pull the same shit with Jonathan in S5 when he dies-immediately everyone will be like oh Jonathan was so misunderstood. It's like shut up and go away already. I can't stand you people. The way they behaved with Max and claiming they loved her all along was just ridiculous and acting like Max didn't become a good character until S4. It's like wtf are you talking about? When shes been great since almost the moment she arrived on the show. I immediatley felt with her and connected with her. Maybe the fans of ST just can't connect with abused children cause Jonathan and Max and Will get a lot of hate for 'the way they behave' and they were all abused. So idk if that has something to do with it? But you think people would actually FEEL for them and realize that, not immediatley jump on the hate bandwagon but isn't it nice to know the way people really feel about abuse victims? and how they blame them for stuff constantly? and victim blame ALL THE TIME? That's great. That says a lot about humanity doesn't it?

Oh yeah I've seen A LOT of hate about Jonathan and Charlie. It's bad enough they insult Jonathan, but I've seen plenty of people attacking Charlie too. Yep, thats the same type of comments I see about him all the time too. It's just ridiculous.

I know. It's almost impossible to find someone who hates Steve. That's why me and my friend joke all the time about how the ST fans PERFECTLY represent the town of Hawkins-they WORSHIP Steve Harrington, but Jonathan Byers is the lowest form of scum on the earth. And its funny because they hate the townspeople of Hawkins and yet don't realize that they are *exactly like them*. It's like wow that's a fascinating bundle of crazy right there... Oh the majority of the fans are also homophobic, just like the townspeople of Hawkins. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the majority of the fans were the actual townspeople of Hawkins that would make a lot of sense lol.

I agree with the last thing you said about Steve.

I guarantee you that to defend Steve (a fictional character on a tv show), you do not have to attack Charlie (a real person)