#there’s no normal queer discourse it’s all from dumbasses

[oscconfessions]

(I thoguh I made this anon some time ago bit oh well)

Coming from someone who likes II neg, I feel like the biggest issue many active communtiy members have is not having nuance

Like okay II is bad(or certian parts yadada), so why is it bad well that's because the writers are bad at writing, why are they bad at writing? Well they may just be uneducated- Clearly their all bad people because as we know good people would write a better show which means they must all be bad horrible cis het white straight man queerbaiting children

Like I've seen people say that, and coming from someone critical of the II team and the show. That's a VERY odd thing to assume right off the bat, it feels like you don't want to be critcial of the actual people but rather whar you think they are. It's like we as a communtiy feel the need to give a reason on why we dislike these people so we make them the worst possible thing to exist(to us). II isn't disney, their not cishetmen in suits, they've writeen bad shit but when you look at the current potical views of the team it's clear they are more leftleaning than anything.

The og ask was made when justin still used he/they, but I always found it soo werid how many people who are II neg seemed to ignore the fact Justin is Nonbianry/isn't cis. Honeslty I think 3 months in most the critism I started seeing felt like a flanderazation of what I had seen in the past. It felt like there was a said narrative I had to follow to post and if my cirtism wasn't just the same rycelded take I'd be shot on the spot (and also if it didn't accuse the writers and writiing of being bigoted) which it is! (AT certian points, but I feel like the II neg tag will take things they subjectivly don't like and put that label on them because their of said miniority and feel like their being discrimanted againts because that exprience didn't line up with theirs 1:1). Honestly when it comes to neg some of you guys are just as mindless as the fans you rant on but that a issue in all neg tags so meh.

Not to baby the crew memebers their all adults their not dumbasses. But honeslty to fellow II neg?? People? Fans? Whatever, sometimes I feel like we gave up cirtizing II a long time ago. I feel like it's a competetion to see who can find the "bigoted" moment in the newest episode. Which is important to do! II has a bunch of bad rep/shitty parts. But it feels like were scared the critism we have won't stand if we don't link it to the crew being bigots in someway, so we basically make these serious issues into buzzwords we throw around to shit on the II cast.

Again mabye I'm misunderstanding points, or anything I'm not saying everyone who thinks any of the II crew are bad/shit idfk even queer baiters is wrong mabye I'm the one giving the white guys too much lesiure and mabye I should see them as the dark vators of the osc who the hell knows. But sometimes it's like you guys are misconsudring their actions to fit your vision for them.

I can't say I still like II, I'm not a fan of most of the crew members (Only Sam since I like his tpot writing lol) and I'm thankful I found the tag (I love analazying shit in a critcal and none critical way), and it was a great place to be to vent my issues with the ladder part of III, and the show in genral). I do agree a lot of II fans are unciritcal of the show and I do agree we shpuld normalize ciritism in the osc since it only servers to imporves the work we make.

(Also some of you guys Glaze really shit critism I'm sorry you need better tastse) alsoo I feel like people who are very agreesivly on the tag need to chill (ESPICALLY to the tweens on there, I see you and I know what it feels like to be a loser sucked into online discourse it's not worth it broski I was once like you broski) but that could be another ask lmao

Sorry for the yap! If I'm being frank the only reason I put this here is because I'm not dealing with the mob of angry "YOU LACK MEDIA CRITISM" people to get jnto my ask box and dms, or the be publicy scrutinzed because my take dosen't fit the norm we've made for ourselves. Also I cohld rant about the fact most of my fellow II neg people are really paethic and look for acceptence and so they act all uppity with II fans(even thoguh that's such a shitty way to get people to be more critical of a show, and history has shown that it only makes fandom and neg spaces more toxic and worse), but people have been doing that om the nett since the dawn of time lmao. Overall I migdht come back to ramble some more one day, to whatwver mod is reading this sorry for the spelling and sorry for the yap(again) bye!

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[saitamastamaticsoup]

!!! Literally unhinged to watch what was essentially Terfgate( a lot of them have admired that ace discourse is what radicalized them to be like actually trans people are liars too) completely erase ace culture. Like hearing the word asexual from people who are not makes me immediately want to disengage from the conversation completely. Like a lot of people don’t even know what the original asexual flag looks like, or what an ace ring is. It’s incredibly crazy to watch this evolve over the years,,, bc then IMMEDIATELY after, pansexual people didn’t exist and that was bisexual erasure, then you can’t be trans without dysphoria, and now bisexual people can be “ straight passing”  and real life people are queer baiting because they’re not disclosing their sexuality explicitly to people who they don’t know. It’s literally white supremacy and terfs behind all of it every single time if you look. They are one and the same

I don't think younger/newer users fully grasp the shit show that ace discourse was around 2014-17

It was so hostile that, to this day, discussions that begin to derail just enough can make me physically nauseous, some specific mockery trigger crying sessions years later. We lost most accounts with any sort of ace positivity. There was no information, no support, and all this damage was done predominantly by other queer people.

All this to say that you, however you identify yourself, should be engaging with aphobic comments the same way you do any hate. We don't sugarcoat or try to be comprehensive with people who are blatantly racist, homophobic or terfs, so why give it a pass just because it's coming from a queer person? I see how this tolerance goes and it's done enough damage as it is.

[welcome-to-the-holonet]

Wait! Hold on!

The instrument you pick in band says things about your personality?? I was never in band so this is a foreign concept to me, explain!

And this is probably all satire but i’m fascinated and enjoying the discourse.

It absolutely says something (although it might be different in different bands but I’m going by my high school marching band)

Flute/piccolo: the calm kids, more laid back, a lot of which are very smart. They are frequently all girls. The flutes also normally have one super chaotic kid

Clarinet: they’re super chill. Not calm like flutes but not completely crazy. They definitely have dumbass energy but it’s a more casual dumbass energy then some of the other sections

Saxophone (alto and tenor): chaotic dumbass. Like half of them have a couple songs (normally a specific part of said song) that they are constantly playing and everyone is done with it. Can sometimes be a problem because they can get a bit distracted and miss stuff. Like half of them are neurodivergent. Then this last bit might just be the sax section from my school, but most of them are queer

Saxophone (baritone): can either be grouped in with the saxophones or they can be the types who are mostly just there to hang out and don’t care too much. If they have they’re own little thing they’re probably late a lot because they’ve realized there’s not much the teacher can do when there’s so few of them if they all act like that.

High brass (trumpet and mellophone): everyone in that section is either one of the most annoying crazy people or is extremely well behaved. There’s no in between

Low brass (trombone, baritone, and Tuba): basically a cult. They want to recruit more people to low brass. They are also constantly doing weird random stuff, like you’ll just see when of them standing in the water playing a trombone, or a line of them with their arms over each other’s shoulders chanting the abcs

Drumline: the ‘cool kids’ or at least think they are. They audition to be on drumline instead of automatically getting in the section so this reenforces that opinion. They’re fairly funny and mostly nice tho

Pit/front ensemble: a combo of the like two or three upper class men who are on bass guitar or the kid that stayed to be put section leader and the freshman and sometimes sophomores who didn’t make drumline

Drum majors: good leaders, well behaved, and some of the teachers favorites (but not the teachers pets people don’t really like)

Color guard: most of them have a superiority complex and think they’re better then the band kids (some are nice tho). They are mostly nice until you find out they do stuff like have a point system for who accidentally hit the most band members with flags. Normally have one or two guys who are probably gay

[intersex-ionality]

I’m honestly very confused by the anne frank discourse because I’d heard mentions for years that she might have been bisexual but I’d never seen such vitriolic pushback against it until now and I’m struggling to understand why. I understand that some people have been shitty and/or tactless about it, but the pushback still seems way out of proportion to me

It was her 90th birthday recently, and a lot of queer gentiles misunderstood Anne’s very reasonable decision to protect her own safety by hiding her queerness.

I mean, look at it from her perspective: in the very very real possibility that she and her family were found and put in the camps, she would at least have a realistic chance of being put in the Jewish camps with the rest of her (female and similarly aged) family and not shunted off to the asocials camp.

The reasons for her self-censorship are quite obvious if you’re a Jew. But, to gentiles, they can be quite odd. A lot of people misunderstood what happened, and thought that the censorship was performed by her father, and was an attempt to erase her queer emotions and experiences, rather than a simple act of self-protection. (Edit 1: Please read the correction linked at the bottom of this post.)

So, some well meaning but very fucking dumb gentiles made some very hurtful and hateful comments about Anne’s father. (Edit 1: comments about Anne’s father are still inappropriate, but comments about school systems and other publication systems denying access to uncensored books are very fucking valid critiques)

Most of these Gentiles were in the US, because, shockingly, queer gentiles in Europe have a pretty remarkably different and more thorough understanding of the impacts of the holocaust because they have a much more personal relationship with the holocaust.

Most queer Jews who stepped in at this point tried to explain in a normal fucking manner without engaging in blatant holocaust denial, that they were being antisemitic shitheads and also just kind of stupid.

However, a small but vibrant and uncomfortably well respected section of tumblr’s own Jewish community decided to take the opportunity to engage in some pretty blatant, reactionary historical revision at this point.

To be fair, most of them were probably reeling, because there’s a very real, very shocking horror that comes from realizing how Gentiles just don’t usually have to consider the safety implications of intersecting identities and Judaism under Nazi rule. Because, of course, if you don’t have an intersecting identity, it’s easy to forget that people do.

To be frank, cis+straight+etc Jews are often dumbasses about the impacts of the Holocaust on Queer people as well. The same is true for able queers and Jews as regards the impacts of the Nazis on disability and medicine. That’s the problem with forgetting intersectional theory.

Being in the midst of a full blown PTSD episode, however, doesn’t really excuse just deciding to rewrite the Holocaust to fit your narrative, so my sympathy pretty much ends there.

But, anyway, that’s why this all is happening. Because it was Anne Frank’s 90th birthday. Not because the news of her experiencing girl-girl attraction is new or anything.

ETA (June 16, 2019, 5AM): There’s a long fuckin’ correction to this post, and you can find it here. https://intersex-ionality.tumblr.com/post/185627002619/im-honestly-very-confused-by-the-anne-frank

The overall gist of it is accurate, in terms of the reason for this discourse happening (Anne’s 90th birthday, some dumb shit said by gentiles, opportunistic desire to revise history to serve a political narrative, etc), but I fucked up some shit in a big way re some basic facts about the Anne Frank diary, and it’s messy.