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It has come to my attention that anyone who's said anything about A Town Called Panic is talking about the film (which I have not seen).
Which begs the question, does anyone know about the show? The episodes?
My sister and I grew up rewatching the 1 dvd we had of it, lord knows where it came from. And it was in English, btw.
#a town called panic#like the cake episode?#the waffle episode?? core memories for me#if you cant watch a cowboy and an indian shoot four cows into the air just so they come back down and squish a bear then what do you have
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1x07 Chapter Seven: In a Lonely Place
Guys. Big moment. This is my favorite episode of Riverdale. This episode is—as my bff would say—g9.
I just—
You know what, let’s go to the promo photos to truly appresh, this is important:
Note the visible and seemingly era-appropriate undergarments, the jeweled collar. The damask-looking olive skirt with what looks like a leaves motif. The pink bow on the belt, the pink heels. The pink sweater looks a lot like the blue one she wore during Chuck’s walk-of-shame in Body Double, but the sleeve lengths differ (the collars are v similar tho).
Look at this rock. Jug’s dream is full of things he both wants (Betty’s affection, acceptance, a seemingly functioning family structure, stability, home, a fabulous turkey dinner) and does not want (an addict father, to have betrayed his best friend, to be the thing that’s rotten at the core).
This kid kisses this girl once and suddenly his subconscious has them married and he’s tussling internally over whether this is a betrayal of his best friend?? While also struggling with his father’s alcoholism and attendant generational trauma?? The shades the layers the poetic cinema dot jpeg.
This opening sequence is the greatest thing Riverdale has ever done.
Okay I’ll move on.
You’re cute, we know this. The sweater has some waffle-knit details; we’ve seen Betty wear waffle knits before.
We saw this rain jacket last ep! Note her gloves and her wellies with lining for warmth. So sensible, very practical. (She loses key necklace here and in the following scene.)
She puts her ankle boots back on for her (extremely cute, I melt, let me die) walk home with Jughead, though.
Now this intrigues. A semi-sheer blue plaid popover atop a dark tank top, dark wash jeans, ankle boots. I’d suggest that use of plaid here is indicative of her growing closeness to Jughead, who, as we’ve discussed, holds the deed on plaid in Riverdale’s style department (among our main teens at least).
In fairness, we saw Betty in tartan pajama shorts in 105—but I don’t think that held the symbolic weight this instance does. Tartan is a super common motif in PJs, and sleepwear is not something we typically see outside the home (...another noticeable exception to come). Indeed, in that ep she’s getting closer to Jughead (they case Jason’s room during his memorial service, please recall), but this blue plaid popover really puts a button on their connection.
Aside: l o l at the set dressing posters, given the topic of conversation (Polly’s pregnancy).
(Look at these psychopaths) (Joke) (check out Alice’s nails, though)
You know what, I actually have a point to make here: Betty is her parents’ daughter—look at Hal’s button-down under a sweater and Alice’s...everything. They’re in coordinated shades of blue, all three of them. Polly’s in blue too, remember, hidden away in the Cooper attic—her blue Sisters of Quiet Mercy dress, topped with a Blossom-red cardigan...
THIS LEWK. The houndstooth bomber with the burgundy-plum sleeves? Y e s. That’s a jacket. We saw this purse when Betty visited Polly at the Sisters last episode.
Summary: 4, with some switch-ups in jackets and accessories, and including a retro dream look courtesy of Jughead Jones III’s subconscious.
Key necklace appearances: 3
That backpack: Yes! Backpack where you been for two eps, we missed u.
Best outfit: Honestly, Jug’s retro S mock-neck and his jaunty af whoopie cap, but I know I know this isn’t Jughead Jones Outfit Watch. So: Betty’s houndstooth bomber look.
And in that moment I thought ffffffffffffffff
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kizuna countdown part 2! yup i just did them all in one go, everyone who’s doing it day by day, have fun! See y’all on Friday!
Favorite Chosen Child-Digimon bond
... uh... so I guess I already answered this in the last question XD I think it's because it's so difficult to think about the Digimon without thinking a lot about the relationship they have with their partners. So I'll just let this one lie, I guess.
Favorite Chosen Children friendship
I pretty much like any relationship dynamic that involves Taichi.
Taichi & Yamato show the most growth, both in themselves and in their appreciation and respect for each other. Taich comes at Yamato expecting to make friends just by being himself as always. Yamato's built up walls to keep himself from getting hurt, plus there's a side to him that wants to be as free Taichi, and he winds up feeling jealous. Then there are ways in which they are legit different which adds even more friction. Their friendship comes out on top because both of them are extremely loyal to their friends at their core. They rock. I loved them in Tri too, when Taichi was acharacteristically waffling around and Yamato was even more concerned about it than the confused viewers hahahaha.
Taichi & Koushirou because they're the opposite of him and Yamato, their friendship is steady and strong throughout. They already respect each other from day one. Taichi puts a lot of faith and trust in Koushirou's abilities and relies on him to get him out of a pickle, even one he's made on his own. Koushirou is a bit shy and not exactly afraid to speak up, but not 100% convinced that his contribution is valued. Taichi helps him see his own worth. And Koushirou believes in Taichi :')
I also love him and Sora and Hikari. For friendships that don't include Taichi, my favs are:
Takeru & Hikari because they're really POWERFUL when they're together (teasing Daisuke for example)
Sora & Koushirou Managing Things, Somehow
Koushirou & Mimi driving each other crazy while really valuing each other
Daisuke & Miyako ^ similar dynamic
Ken & Miyako, I know it becomes a romance, but I loved it when they were kids and it was like Ken and Hikari were off being angsty together and Miyako's like I FEEL LEFT OUT and whines about and then kicks their butts to make the sun shine
Favorite Adventure series villain
Etemon! just kidding. Though the Etemon arc was so great for Taichi that I really enjoy it XD
I'd definitely pick the Dark Masters. Devimon was your typical RPG villain, then Etemon was nonsense run amok. Myotismon was the most fun storyline, what with going back to the human world and the search for the eighth child... I especially loved the chaos when the kids are all separated throughout the city.
But yeah, it'd be the Dark Masters, mostly because I loved how much the kids' resolve got tested when they had to decide for themselves to go to the digital world instead of just being thrown in there. The only one who's had to do that before was Taichi. They fought and they lost a lot of friends, and their team splintered and we saw new sides to everyone. It was harsh. About the villains themselves, MetalSeadramon was whatever, but Puppetmon with his envy and vulnerability and weird relationship with Cherrymon was so interesting to me. Machinedramon was downright terrifying. And then Piedmon playing everyone like marionettes and taking down the trump card as soon as it appeared on the scene... it all led to my favorite moment when the kids are running away one by one and sacrifice themselves to save each other. Sora's moment saving Takeru and Hikari while grabbing Yamato's doll was absolutely epic.
Favorite non-partnered Digimon
Piximon! I loved and wanted more of his training sessions. Wish he'd been like Rafiki and just followed Taichi around smacking him on the head with his stick.
Does Gennai count? He's not a Digimon so I guess not, but I loved Gennai too. He was useful. And also useless. I mostly liked it when he was useless xD
Also Whamon. Traveling in the belly of a whale is awesome. And I was so upset when he got killed.
Also Leomon & Ogremon should count as one of my favorite friendships.
Favorite ship / OTP
So, my number one Digimon OTP is Joumi. Always has been. I like it for a lot of similar reasons that people like Koumi, I guess. But the reason I glued onto Joumi mainly happened in Dark Masters when they were traveling just the two of them for a while. Mimi is positive and outspoken and caring despite being a bit self-absorbed. Jou is reliable, steady, and protective, even though he's also perpetually stressed out. They can both be panicky, but they grow out of it a lot. I think they're pretty realistc in personality and that's one reason I like them together: no one's unusually adept at something or other, they're just kids. They confide in each other about their struggles and they pick each other up. (I loved Ketsui for those moments! Such gifts)
Other ships I really enjoy are Taishiro, Taito, Miyakari, Daiken, Takari, and Daikeru. I also love one-sided Taidai and Mimiyako!
A friendship you'd like to see developed
Honestly? Sora and Miyako. The 02 kids inherited the Adventure team's crests, and each seemed to have a slightly stronger bond with one predecessor than the other. Daisuke had interesting dynamics with both Taichi and Yamato, so that was okay. Iori seemed to have more significant moments with Jou than Koushirou, I think because the sort of knowledge that Iori quests for is a different kind. Miyako is really, really similar to Mimi, her passions are just more hard sciences than artsy-fartsy. But Miyako really never gets any moments with Sora at all? There's that one when she's panicking about being a Chosen in like episode 2, and I can't think of any after that. I would love to see Sora big sister-ing Mimi, helpig her bring out her sensible side, since Mimi's got the eccentric covered.
I'd ALSO like to see Hikari & Sora have a great friendship. One that isn't entirely based on worrying about Taichi x'D
Favorite Kizuna character profile
Takeru's because I just love that he's in a children's lit club!
Favorite Kizuna promotional art
I... haven't been paying attention, so this isn't a real answer, but that one with the boys eating ramen I guess. I even wrote a ficlet for it lol.
Favorite Tri. installment
Kokuhaku!!!! That destroyed any reservations I still had about Tri. It was epic. Somewhat undercut by the fact that we all knew the Digimon would wind up getting their memories back eventually, but I was okay with just enjoying the ride until we got to that point. It was great. I loved the sacrifice the Digimon were willing to make, I loved the secret farewells each partner took, I loved Takeru's protectiveness, Koushirou's breakdown, and Tentomon's strength. Like seriously, he gets all the MVP awards.
Favorite non-Tri. Adventure movie
Our War Game. It's just classic. Plus, Bolero.
Favorite character besides the 12 kids & their partners
Oh, I guess now I could pick Gennai if I want. But I think I'd pick Meiko. I was so not feeling her when Tri came out because I expected her to be the Typical Anime Movie Newbie, who's almost always a girl, bland and uninteresting, eating up valuable screen time from the characters we actually want to see, magically saves everyone and then never appears again.
Meiko did not end up being that girl. Her shyness and awkwardness might have been annoying if they hadn't been tempered by her personal journey through the six movies, and I ended up really liking having a shy girl on the cast. It was refreshing and it was beautifully cast against Mimi. Mimi/Meiko FTW. And she hd real female relationships - with both Sora and Mimi. Her protectiveness of Meicoomon, but also her selfishness, and the terrible decisions she had to make, the way she struggled with self-pity and real honest grief... it ended up really moving me. I think she became very well-rounded and added a lot to Tri.
If Tri had been just one movie, like those anime movies I was expecting, I think she would have been That Girl, but fortunately with six we had plenty of time to get to know her.
(Bonus) Freebie! Talk about something we didn't cover :)
Well, we did lots of favs, so how about a "least fav"?
Of course I don't have a least favorite Chosen, or Digimon. In fact the only thing I'd really pin as a big disappointment happened in Tri. I love Tri but it's certainly got its holes, and for me, Himekawa Maki is a big one. I hate that we just left her wandering in the dark ocean. I hate that were wasn't more expansion on the original Chosen team. I remember when I was a kid and we found out in the last ep or so of Adventure that there had been kids before Taichi and co, I was annoyed, I'd wanted them to be the first.
But I was also curious. With Tri, we finally found out some about that... but only scraps. Who were the others on the team? Where are they now? What's their relationship with Digimon, and if they don't have one anymore, why? What would they say about Daigo's death and Maki's disappearance? Honestly I didn't want to dedicate more time to them at that point (even with six movies they couldn't cram everything in - much as I love Ketsui, I think it should have been a bit different, and moved the plot along faster). But I also hate that we finally learned some stuff about them and in the end were just left with even more questions.
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i got tagged in these by @soursop4, thanks so much!! c: i’ve put both responses under the cut. i didn’t tag anybody for these out of... well... anxiety, really, but feel free to do either of these yourself if you want to!! . w.
1ST RULE: tag 9 people you want to get to know better:
2ND RULE: BOLD the statements that are true
APPEARANCE:
I am 5'7 or taller - I wear glasses - I have at least one tattoo - I have at least one piercing - I have blond hair - I have brown eyes - I have short hair - My abs are at least somewhat defined - I have or had braces
PERSONALITY:
I love meeting new people - People tell me I am funny - Helping others with their problems is a big priority of mine - I enjoy physical challenges - I enjoy mental challenges (my answer to this would vary depending on my mood and mental state) - I am playfully rude to people I know - I started saying something ironically and now I can’t stop saying it - There is something I would change about my personality
ABILITY:
I can sing well - I can play an instrument (very poorly) - I can do over 30 pushups without stopping - I am a fast runner - I can draw well - I have a good memory - I am good at doing math in my head - I can hold my breath underwater for over a minute - I have beaten at least 2 people arm wrestling - I can make at least 3 recipes from scratch - I know how to throw a proper punch
HOBBIES:
I enjoy sports - I was on a sports team at my school or somewhere else - I was in an orchestra or choir or band at my school or somewhere else - I have learned a new song in the past week - I exercise at least once a week - I have gone for runs at least once a week in warmer months - I have drawn something in the past month - I enjoy writing - Fandoms are my #1 priority - I do some form of Martial arts
EXPERIENCES:
I have had my first kiss - I have had alcohol - I have scored a winning point in a sport - I have watched an entire TV series in one sitting - I have been at an overnight event - I have been in a taxi - I have been in the hospital or ER in the past year - I have beaten a video game in one day - I have visited another country - I have been to one of my favourite bands’ concerts
MY LIFE:
I have one person that I consider to be my Best Friend™ (i suppose i have multiple, but not really a particular ‘best friend,’ if that makes sense) - I live close to my school/work - My parents are still together - I have at least one sibling - I live in the United States - There is snow where I live right now - I have hung out with a friend in the past month - I have a smartphone - I own at least 15 CDs - I share my room with someone
RELATIONSHIPS:
I am in a relationship - I have a crush on a celebrity - I have a crush on someone I know - I’ve been in at least 3 relationships - I have never been in a relationship - I have admitted my feelings to a crush - I get crushes easily - I have had a crush for over a year - I have been in a relationship for over a year - I have had feelings for a friend
RANDOM:
I have break-danced - I know a person named Jamie - I have had a teacher that has a name that is hard to pronounce - I have dyed my hair - I’m listening to a song on repeat right now - I have punched someone in the past week - I know someone who has gone to jail - I have broken a bone - I have eaten a waffle today - I know what I want to do in life (i have... a vague idea, i guess?) - I speak at least two languages - I have made a new friend in the past year
If you’re tagged (only if you want to do it!), replace the songs in the list with ones that fit the description for you, and then tag five more people.
A song that makes you want to fall in love: i’m not sure what this would be so i’ll just say... reflection (mirror night) by v.k
Your favorite pump-up song: core (undertale)
Favorite song to rock out to: die anywhere else (night in the woods)
A song that reminds you of summer: uwa!! so heats!! (undertale) uwu
Your favorite cover of a song: this: https://youtu.be/-KgPiCTia7A. i know that it’s a medley, and not a cover of one specific song, but...
A song you sing in the shower: sad machine (porter robinson)
A song that reminds you of someone: encounter (oneshot)
What you want your wedding song to be: i... really have no idea what this would be. is happily ever after (oneshot) an acceptable answer??????
Your favorite 90s/2000s song: the opening theme/the battle of coruscant (star wars episode III: revenge of the sith) was written and produced in the early 2000s it counts
A song to heal heartbreak: youll never convince me to stop insisting that the star wars main theme is the cure for all emotional ailments. a statement only relevant to myself and precisely nobody else
Favorite song from a girl group: uhhh does aqours count? if so then it’s a tie between mirai ticket and happy party train
A song you know all the lyrics to: nine point eight (mili)
Favorite oldies rock song: i dont... know any...
A song from your favorite artist: i don’t really have one that stands out as my favourite in particular, but let’s go with yubikiri-genman (mili)
A song that you like to fall asleep to: home again (night in the woods) and solstice (oneshot)
A song that makes you feel invincible: megalovania (undertale)
A song that makes you feel better when you’re down: undertale (undertale)
Favorite holiday song: snowdin town (undertale) counts right
A song from a genre of music you don’t usually listen to: shelter (porter robinson)
A song you associate with your favorite book: battle of the heroes (star wars episode III: revenge of the sith). the book in question is just..... the novelisation of the fucking movie......... .w.;;;;
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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This episode of Ask GN talks about the “golden age of computers,” “delidding” for GPUs, reference cards, static pressure vs. airflow fans, and more. Ad: Buy Thermaltake Floe 360 on Amazon
Timestamps:
Golden Age of Computer Tech?
00:56 – waffle: “Are we in the golden age of computer tech? Like, is this a “what a time to be alive” time? For all the complaining about memory and GPU prices, I get the vibe from content creators that there is some really neat tech worth being really excited over. So what do you think @Steve Burke? Maybe give us some general perspective on either how great or how not so great these times are?”
“Delidding” a GPU & Liquid Metal
06:37 – delatroy: “Hi steve. Like the 7700k/8700k, are there any meaningful thermal gains to be had by delidding a non-reference Nvidia 1080ti and replacing the TIM with liquid metal? Similarly, is it worth replacing the TIM between the heat spreader and heat sink? I love your cat! Thanks!”
When Do Reference Cards Suck?
10:12 – Hakaru: “Iv got a question (maybe one buildzoid could shed as me light on). You always say reference cards should be avoided, is that solely due to poor coolers or does the PCB also suck? After looking at various reference vrms they all seem overbuilt ( Vega and even the rx480 and 1080/70) so if I were to be replacing the cooler with an aftermarket one anyway would a reference card be advisable as it would save some money and help recoup the cost of the aftermarket cooler?”
Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans
13:05 – Muahdib76: “Question for Ask GN. I’m looking to find out what type of case fan to use in certain parts of the case. I use a High Airflow fan for the back exhaust and High Static pressure fans for AIO’s. Where the question comes is should I use a High Airflow fans or High Static Pressure fans for the the front intake or any intake that has a filter on it. What about a case that has a front intake with filter and about an inch of clearance from the front panel. I have 2 cases, the Corsair Carbide 600c and Fractal Meshify C. Fan recommendations? Thanks!”
AMD “Losing Marketshare” on Steam
18:32 – davekorbiger: “Hi! According to the Steam hardware survey AMD has lost 6% of marketshare last month and more than 10% since Ryzen was launched. AMD is now just above 10%! I think Intel’s better IPC and the fresh released Coffee lake CPUs (especially the 6-core i5 and 4-core i3) are responsible for this. Considering that Ryzen was supposed to make AMD more relevant, do you think Ryzen 2 will change that?”
21:18 – Rjfleming82: “@Steve Burke aisuite reports wattage consumed by CPU, using watts = current x voltage. I could derive current draw of CPU. Do u know if aisuite wattage is accurate?”
Will AIB Vega Cards Ever Exist?
23:04 – Soupa: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions Any updates on AIB Vega cards? Seems like there are continued delays…”
AVX Offset Broken
24:16 – Liquidpaper: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions I have a question concerning AVX offsets and Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake. Some people are reporting across multiple motherboards that AVX offsets don’t always work on Kaby/Coffee lake platforms. @Sharkims and I both have this issue – the CPU clocks to whatever the AVX offset is, and that is it, regardless of AVX workload. I’ve done some digging and found that this problem exists regardless of Motherboard maufacturer — ive seen this problem on ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. Since you have far better connections than we do, do you think you could get an answer as to why this is happening? Thanks.”
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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This episode of Ask GN talks about the “golden age of computers,” “delidding” for GPUs, reference cards, static pressure vs. airflow fans, and more. Ad: Buy Thermaltake Floe 360 on Amazon
Timestamps:
Golden Age of Computer Tech?
00:56 – waffle: “Are we in the golden age of computer tech? Like, is this a “what a time to be alive” time? For all the complaining about memory and GPU prices, I get the vibe from content creators that there is some really neat tech worth being really excited over. So what do you think @Steve Burke? Maybe give us some general perspective on either how great or how not so great these times are?”
“Delidding” a GPU & Liquid Metal
06:37 – delatroy: “Hi steve. Like the 7700k/8700k, are there any meaningful thermal gains to be had by delidding a non-reference Nvidia 1080ti and replacing the TIM with liquid metal? Similarly, is it worth replacing the TIM between the heat spreader and heat sink? I love your cat! Thanks!”
When Do Reference Cards Suck?
10:12 – Hakaru: “Iv got a question (maybe one buildzoid could shed as me light on). You always say reference cards should be avoided, is that solely due to poor coolers or does the PCB also suck? After looking at various reference vrms they all seem overbuilt ( Vega and even the rx480 and 1080/70) so if I were to be replacing the cooler with an aftermarket one anyway would a reference card be advisable as it would save some money and help recoup the cost of the aftermarket cooler?”
Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans
13:05 – Muahdib76: “Question for Ask GN. I’m looking to find out what type of case fan to use in certain parts of the case. I use a High Airflow fan for the back exhaust and High Static pressure fans for AIO’s. Where the question comes is should I use a High Airflow fans or High Static Pressure fans for the the front intake or any intake that has a filter on it. What about a case that has a front intake with filter and about an inch of clearance from the front panel. I have 2 cases, the Corsair Carbide 600c and Fractal Meshify C. Fan recommendations? Thanks!”
AMD “Losing Marketshare” on Steam
18:32 – davekorbiger: “Hi! According to the Steam hardware survey AMD has lost 6% of marketshare last month and more than 10% since Ryzen was launched. AMD is now just above 10%! I think Intel’s better IPC and the fresh released Coffee lake CPUs (especially the 6-core i5 and 4-core i3) are responsible for this. Considering that Ryzen was supposed to make AMD more relevant, do you think Ryzen 2 will change that?”
21:18 – Rjfleming82: “@Steve Burke aisuite reports wattage consumed by CPU, using watts = current x voltage. I could derive current draw of CPU. Do u know if aisuite wattage is accurate?”
Will AIB Vega Cards Ever Exist?
23:04 – Soupa: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions Any updates on AIB Vega cards? Seems like there are continued delays…”
AVX Offset Broken
24:16 – Liquidpaper: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions I have a question concerning AVX offsets and Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake. Some people are reporting across multiple motherboards that AVX offsets don’t always work on Kaby/Coffee lake platforms. @Sharkims and I both have this issue – the CPU clocks to whatever the AVX offset is, and that is it, regardless of AVX workload. I’ve done some digging and found that this problem exists regardless of Motherboard maufacturer — ive seen this problem on ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. Since you have far better connections than we do, do you think you could get an answer as to why this is happening? Thanks.”
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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This episode of Ask GN talks about the “golden age of computers,” “delidding” for GPUs, reference cards, static pressure vs. airflow fans, and more. Ad: Buy Thermaltake Floe 360 on Amazon
Timestamps:
Golden Age of Computer Tech?
00:56 – waffle: “Are we in the golden age of computer tech? Like, is this a “what a time to be alive” time? For all the complaining about memory and GPU prices, I get the vibe from content creators that there is some really neat tech worth being really excited over. So what do you think @Steve Burke? Maybe give us some general perspective on either how great or how not so great these times are?”
“Delidding” a GPU & Liquid Metal
06:37 – delatroy: “Hi steve. Like the 7700k/8700k, are there any meaningful thermal gains to be had by delidding a non-reference Nvidia 1080ti and replacing the TIM with liquid metal? Similarly, is it worth replacing the TIM between the heat spreader and heat sink? I love your cat! Thanks!”
When Do Reference Cards Suck?
10:12 – Hakaru: “Iv got a question (maybe one buildzoid could shed as me light on). You always say reference cards should be avoided, is that solely due to poor coolers or does the PCB also suck? After looking at various reference vrms they all seem overbuilt ( Vega and even the rx480 and 1080/70) so if I were to be replacing the cooler with an aftermarket one anyway would a reference card be advisable as it would save some money and help recoup the cost of the aftermarket cooler?”
Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans
13:05 – Muahdib76: “Question for Ask GN. I’m looking to find out what type of case fan to use in certain parts of the case. I use a High Airflow fan for the back exhaust and High Static pressure fans for AIO’s. Where the question comes is should I use a High Airflow fans or High Static Pressure fans for the the front intake or any intake that has a filter on it. What about a case that has a front intake with filter and about an inch of clearance from the front panel. I have 2 cases, the Corsair Carbide 600c and Fractal Meshify C. Fan recommendations? Thanks!”
AMD “Losing Marketshare” on Steam
18:32 – davekorbiger: “Hi! According to the Steam hardware survey AMD has lost 6% of marketshare last month and more than 10% since Ryzen was launched. AMD is now just above 10%! I think Intel’s better IPC and the fresh released Coffee lake CPUs (especially the 6-core i5 and 4-core i3) are responsible for this. Considering that Ryzen was supposed to make AMD more relevant, do you think Ryzen 2 will change that?”
21:18 – Rjfleming82: “@Steve Burke aisuite reports wattage consumed by CPU, using watts = current x voltage. I could derive current draw of CPU. Do u know if aisuite wattage is accurate?”
Will AIB Vega Cards Ever Exist?
23:04 – Soupa: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions Any updates on AIB Vega cards? Seems like there are continued delays…”
AVX Offset Broken
24:16 – Liquidpaper: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions I have a question concerning AVX offsets and Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake. Some people are reporting across multiple motherboards that AVX offsets don’t always work on Kaby/Coffee lake platforms. @Sharkims and I both have this issue – the CPU clocks to whatever the AVX offset is, and that is it, regardless of AVX workload. I’ve done some digging and found that this problem exists regardless of Motherboard maufacturer — ive seen this problem on ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. Since you have far better connections than we do, do you think you could get an answer as to why this is happening? Thanks.”
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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This episode of Ask GN talks about the “golden age of computers,” “delidding” for GPUs, reference cards, static pressure vs. airflow fans, and more. Ad: Buy Thermaltake Floe 360 on Amazon
Timestamps:
Golden Age of Computer Tech?
00:56 – waffle: “Are we in the golden age of computer tech? Like, is this a “what a time to be alive” time? For all the complaining about memory and GPU prices, I get the vibe from content creators that there is some really neat tech worth being really excited over. So what do you think @Steve Burke? Maybe give us some general perspective on either how great or how not so great these times are?”
“Delidding” a GPU & Liquid Metal
06:37 – delatroy: “Hi steve. Like the 7700k/8700k, are there any meaningful thermal gains to be had by delidding a non-reference Nvidia 1080ti and replacing the TIM with liquid metal? Similarly, is it worth replacing the TIM between the heat spreader and heat sink? I love your cat! Thanks!”
When Do Reference Cards Suck?
10:12 – Hakaru: “Iv got a question (maybe one buildzoid could shed as me light on). You always say reference cards should be avoided, is that solely due to poor coolers or does the PCB also suck? After looking at various reference vrms they all seem overbuilt ( Vega and even the rx480 and 1080/70) so if I were to be replacing the cooler with an aftermarket one anyway would a reference card be advisable as it would save some money and help recoup the cost of the aftermarket cooler?”
Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans
13:05 – Muahdib76: “Question for Ask GN. I’m looking to find out what type of case fan to use in certain parts of the case. I use a High Airflow fan for the back exhaust and High Static pressure fans for AIO’s. Where the question comes is should I use a High Airflow fans or High Static Pressure fans for the the front intake or any intake that has a filter on it. What about a case that has a front intake with filter and about an inch of clearance from the front panel. I have 2 cases, the Corsair Carbide 600c and Fractal Meshify C. Fan recommendations? Thanks!”
AMD “Losing Marketshare” on Steam
18:32 – davekorbiger: “Hi! According to the Steam hardware survey AMD has lost 6% of marketshare last month and more than 10% since Ryzen was launched. AMD is now just above 10%! I think Intel’s better IPC and the fresh released Coffee lake CPUs (especially the 6-core i5 and 4-core i3) are responsible for this. Considering that Ryzen was supposed to make AMD more relevant, do you think Ryzen 2 will change that?”
21:18 – Rjfleming82: “@Steve Burke aisuite reports wattage consumed by CPU, using watts = current x voltage. I could derive current draw of CPU. Do u know if aisuite wattage is accurate?”
Will AIB Vega Cards Ever Exist?
23:04 – Soupa: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions Any updates on AIB Vega cards? Seems like there are continued delays…”
AVX Offset Broken
24:16 – Liquidpaper: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions I have a question concerning AVX offsets and Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake. Some people are reporting across multiple motherboards that AVX offsets don’t always work on Kaby/Coffee lake platforms. @Sharkims and I both have this issue – the CPU clocks to whatever the AVX offset is, and that is it, regardless of AVX workload. I’ve done some digging and found that this problem exists regardless of Motherboard maufacturer — ive seen this problem on ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. Since you have far better connections than we do, do you think you could get an answer as to why this is happening? Thanks.”
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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Ask GN 63: Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans, "Delid" A GPU
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This episode of Ask GN talks about the “golden age of computers,” “delidding” for GPUs, reference cards, static pressure vs. airflow fans, and more. Ad: Buy Thermaltake Floe 360 on Amazon
Timestamps:
Golden Age of Computer Tech?
00:56 – waffle: “Are we in the golden age of computer tech? Like, is this a “what a time to be alive” time? For all the complaining about memory and GPU prices, I get the vibe from content creators that there is some really neat tech worth being really excited over. So what do you think @Steve Burke? Maybe give us some general perspective on either how great or how not so great these times are?”
“Delidding” a GPU & Liquid Metal
06:37 – delatroy: “Hi steve. Like the 7700k/8700k, are there any meaningful thermal gains to be had by delidding a non-reference Nvidia 1080ti and replacing the TIM with liquid metal? Similarly, is it worth replacing the TIM between the heat spreader and heat sink? I love your cat! Thanks!”
When Do Reference Cards Suck?
10:12 – Hakaru: “Iv got a question (maybe one buildzoid could shed as me light on). You always say reference cards should be avoided, is that solely due to poor coolers or does the PCB also suck? After looking at various reference vrms they all seem overbuilt ( Vega and even the rx480 and 1080/70) so if I were to be replacing the cooler with an aftermarket one anyway would a reference card be advisable as it would save some money and help recoup the cost of the aftermarket cooler?”
Static Pressure vs. Airflow Fans
13:05 – Muahdib76: “Question for Ask GN. I’m looking to find out what type of case fan to use in certain parts of the case. I use a High Airflow fan for the back exhaust and High Static pressure fans for AIO’s. Where the question comes is should I use a High Airflow fans or High Static Pressure fans for the the front intake or any intake that has a filter on it. What about a case that has a front intake with filter and about an inch of clearance from the front panel. I have 2 cases, the Corsair Carbide 600c and Fractal Meshify C. Fan recommendations? Thanks!”
AMD “Losing Marketshare” on Steam
18:32 – davekorbiger: “Hi! According to the Steam hardware survey AMD has lost 6% of marketshare last month and more than 10% since Ryzen was launched. AMD is now just above 10%! I think Intel’s better IPC and the fresh released Coffee lake CPUs (especially the 6-core i5 and 4-core i3) are responsible for this. Considering that Ryzen was supposed to make AMD more relevant, do you think Ryzen 2 will change that?”
21:18 – Rjfleming82: “@Steve Burke aisuite reports wattage consumed by CPU, using watts = current x voltage. I could derive current draw of CPU. Do u know if aisuite wattage is accurate?”
Will AIB Vega Cards Ever Exist?
23:04 – Soupa: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions Any updates on AIB Vega cards? Seems like there are continued delays…”
AVX Offset Broken
24:16 – Liquidpaper: “@Steve Burke #askgn-questions I have a question concerning AVX offsets and Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake. Some people are reporting across multiple motherboards that AVX offsets don’t always work on Kaby/Coffee lake platforms. @Sharkims and I both have this issue – the CPU clocks to whatever the AVX offset is, and that is it, regardless of AVX workload. I’ve done some digging and found that this problem exists regardless of Motherboard maufacturer — ive seen this problem on ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. Since you have far better connections than we do, do you think you could get an answer as to why this is happening? Thanks.”
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Linux Life Episode 54
Hello people and welcome back to another episode of Linux Life. My seemingly never ending quest of messing about with Linux. Its funny you know as when I originally started this blog. It was regarding my transition from windows to Linux but over time I now very rarely ever use Windows. In fact there is now only one machine I own that still has Windows 10 on it.
In fact its the recent acquisition which is HP Z400 workstation which contains a Intel Xeon W3550 with 12Gb of ECC memory. The reason I even mention this machine is it has been the subject of my most recent Linux adventure.
Now the machine has sat under my desk gathering dust for a few months but I decided it was time to do something with the thing, so I finally dusted it off and set it up in another room.
First I had to find a video converter as the card in the Xeon is a AMD Radeon R9 370X with 4Gb of memory. Th issue was not with the card itself but the spare monitor I had was a VGA only monitor and the two connectors on the R9 are DVI-D and DVI-I. I did order a converter but I had to rake around to find it. Luckily I found it in the end so now video is working fine.
However there is a rather large blue dongle-like converter sticking out the back of the machine so it won’t sit flush against the wall so it is sitting at an angle to work. Not the most inconvenient thing in the world but I don’t have another DVI monitor spare so we make do with what we have.
However it is happily running at 1680x1050 32-bit colour through it so I am not complaining.
OK so I tried to install Namib Linux which I have been running on my i7 desktop for quite some time. Sure enough set up the USB stick using Rufus on the Windows 10 partition and prepared to install.
Sure enough on boot a few failed things and when we get to MATE it can see the Ethernet port but can’t see the Wi-Fi card. Now I admit even Windows 10 did not have a pre-installed driver for the card in question so I had to download the driver to the i7 and transfer it using aforementioned USB stick.
Now the Wi-Fi card in question is a TP-Link Archer 9E PCI Express card. It’s a A/b/g/n/ac card with three aerial connections. However because it can’t see the card Namib will not install as it needs an online connection to install.
Most Arch installers do this so it was not a huge surprise. OK well luckily for me as I mentioned last episode EndeavourOS (the new team who took over the Antergos system) at the moment have a version that uses an offline installer.
So I went back into Windows 10 downloaded the EndeavourOS ISO and managed to transfer it to the USB using Rufus just like I did Namib.
Sure enough I managed to install EndeavourOS on the Xeon but it also could not see the Wi-Fi card.however as it was an offline installer it did successfully install an Arch system with XFCE.
Everything else worked including sound it was just the Wi-Fi card so I decide to trawl the net and find out if Linux can use the Archer 9E card. Sure enough on the AUR there is a set of drivers called broadcom-wl-ck as the Archer 9E uses a Broadcom chipset.
OK so I boot back into Windows and pull down the snapshot from the AUR onto the USB stick and then go back in to EndeavourOS and transfer it to my Downloads directory.
After unarchiving it as I did try using pacman to install it locally but it wasn’t having it. I run makepkg which will build the package using the given manifest sure enough it immediately informs me I am missing the Linux-ck headers.
Can’t build it. OK so I look up Linux-ck. Now I admit I had no idea what it was but given Linux-ck had headers I assume it some form of kernel. It is indeed. Apparently it’s a custom LTS based kernel made by a user known as Con Kolivas.
I will spare you the details of exact files I needed but every time I tried to build Linux-ck I needed another file. So every time I needed to go back into Windows download the appropriate file and then move it back to EndeavourOS.
Lets just say I ended up doing that about six times so it was a bit tedious to say the least. Eventually I managed to get all the files required and started the makepkg command.
All good but it refuses to acknowledge the PGP key and after about a minute it throws it out. OK not happy so I ultimately decide to set he makepkg flag of --ignorepgpsignature. Probably not the best method in the world but after a minor warning it seems to start to compile the kernel.
The whole compilation took 5 hours to complete on the Xeon. Now the W3550 has 4 cores and 8 threads so I didn’t think it would take that long but it definitely took forever.
Eventually it did build and using pacman -U I was able to install the Linux-ck kernel from the local directory it was in. It obviously installed the Linux-ck kernel and the headers so finally I could now build the broadcom-wl-ck drivers. Yay!
It built the drivers in about five seconds flat. So 5 hours for kernel, five seconds for the driver. Oh the irony. OK so now installed I restart the machine and sure enough the Wi-Fi card is now working.
EndeqvourOS now tells me there is about 200+ updates to download which is about what I expect so I set it off working. Sure enough it installs the updates all fine. Having waited for 5 hours for the kernel it was now getting late so I closed the machine down for the night.
Wi-Fi is working the system is updated. All good.
Day Two of EndeavourOS on the Xeon. I boot up and everything is just fine as the Wi-Fi connects without issue. Now I am not a huge fan of XFCE, don’t get me wrong its functional I just don’t like the way it does certain things like updates.
However I know that EndeavourOS had MATE on its servers. So I try pacman to get MATE. First problem hit. Apparently the MATE system is in the AUR not the main repo of EndeavourOS. OK try and install pacaur but for some reason it doesn’t seem to want to do that. Why I don’t know. OK then I will try and install Yaourt. Nope I can’t seem to find that either.
I’m starting to get desperate at this point and the Arch guys seem to recommend YAY as apparently Yaourt is a bit older now and not quite as good as it once was. Sure enough I manage to get pacman to install YAY. Progress...
So it seems to use the same flags as pacman but can access the AUR. So I manage to install MATE and get it running. However now as I am using that I don’t seem to have a way of installing software via GUI. sure i can use Yay but that’s a command line tool.
So I decide using Yay to install pamac-aur which will give me a nice frontend. Sure enough it installs and after a reboot seems to be installed fine.
Then the fun begins as the first thing Pamac notices is the broadcom-wl-ck driver and the Linux-ck stuff has been updated. OK I think well surely now it has the Linux-ck kernel it will just patch it and then the rest can be done from there.
Nope apparently it has to totally rebuild the kernel and the headers so I have another 5 hour wait upon my hands. The good thing is this time it does sort out the PGP keys so at least this time I don’t have to ignore them.
OK so many hours later the update finally finishes and I restart the PC to check that everything is running fine. Sure enough it seems to have upgraded without any issues. A few minor updates later I am ready to go.
Or so I thought. As I go to run the minor updates from Pamac it seems to keep dropping out and not picking up the network. Hanging many times while trying to download the actual update files.
However if I run Yay -Syu from the command line. It works no problem. Strange. Also every time I build something from the AUR in Pamac I have to keep clearing out the cache or it stops working.
I eventually get everything I want to work installed mainly using Yay instead of Pamac. Which kind of defeats the point of even having Pamac installed.
I still have not solved this issue and I have no idea why it is happening. If anyone has any insight into why this is happening please let me know as it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
Sure I can update using Yay but its annoying having to see Pamac tell me there is updates, refuses to download them and then yay does it first time without problems. I’m sure its something pretty simple but I can’t seem to get it to work.
The ironic factor is sometimes after a bit of searching Pamac can install sometimes but nine times out of ten it just times out the connection of the repo servers. Its probably a setting in one of the config files I need to correct but i have no idea.
Help me out if you know what i need to do. So I now have the Xeon w3550 running EndeavourOS running MATE. Thanks to Yay everything is up to date and I have managed to install all of my usual applications.
It took two days of messing about and lots of time. I hope that the Linux-ck kernel is not hugely updated regularly as having to wait 5 hours for it to compile is not the most fun time in the world.
Luckily after the second time it seems to have managed to remain OK for the time being. However I will not doubt updates will eventually come in time, after all this is Arch and it will no doubt inform me of such an update.
So now the Xeon is a dual boot machine running Windows 10 and EndeavourOS. The Wi-Fi works on both and its working reasonably well with the exception of Pamac. I have tested it with a few other programs and all seem to work fine.
If I have any further issues or manage to find out why Pamac is being like it is, I will no doubt update you on the Xeon’s progress.
As for now I think that is enough waffle for this episode so until next time...Take care.
#linux life#intel xeon w3550#linux endeavourOS#linux namib#pamac-aur#yay installer#Tp-Link archer 9e#nightmares#dualboot#waiting times from hell
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Once More, With Feeling
It’s time. I know you have been looking forward to this. I certainly have. It’s time for the musical episode. It’s time for “Once More, With Feeling.”
I’m not going to do too much introduction here. But I will bring up something important: Netflix does not have the full version of this episode. Parts of songs and incidental scenes are cut from the Netflix version, which does a ton of damage to the episode’s flow. Hulu is the right streaming service to watch this one on.
Let’s go!
1. Previously On, then opening credits. New opening song for this one, and pictures of the cast in front of the moon. No Tara.
2. This is also the only episode in the series with a title card, so it’s the only one that someone watching television in a linear, over-the-air format would see the title of.
3. Overture! Alarm going off for Buffy. Hinton Battle! People going about their days! Tara finds the flower Willow used for her spell and is happy because nice smelly flower. Buffy doesn’t want to get out of bed. She’s staring at her alarm clock. Xander and Anya have a wedding magazine! Giles takes a book away from Dawn. Willow and Tara doing research. Buffy drawing a picture. Giles pulls her into the back room to train.
4. I’m going to watch songs all the way through before writing about them. So no play-by-play for them, but lots of impressions!
5. “Going Through the Motions.” First off, Sarah’s got a lovely singing voice. I want to know more about the demon with the horns who delivers the “She’s not even half the girl she… ow…” line; he’s got a great design and I bet he’s up to some sort of truly sinister evil when he’s roped into Buffy’s chorus line and gets killed. Also, we could have skipped like half the runtime of “Life Serial” given that we were going to get this song; it expresses what the season is about far better than bludgeoning us with Buffy’s exhaustion over the course of an hour ever could.
6. Buffy comes into the Magic Box. People ask her about her day and Dawn. Buffy asks if anything is going on. “So, did anybody… um, last night… did anybody… um… burst into song?” Xander: “Merciful Zeus.” I think that’s my favorite Xander line ever. Willow: “We thought it was just us!” Tara: “It was bizarre. We were talking, and…” Buffy: “Like you were in a musical.” Everyone’s talking over each other. Xander: “It was very disturbing.” Giles: “What did you sing about?” Buffy: “I don’t remember. But it seemed perfectly normal.” Xander: “But disturbing, and not the natural order of things.” They speculate on how to speculate.
7. “I’ve Got a Theory/Bunnies/If We’re Together.” Three songs sort of run into each other here, and they’re all individually interesting. For those keeping score at home, we are at a total of two solo lines sung by Willow so far for the episode, though she sings (quietly) in chorus with Tara and/or Anya a lot in this one. Anyway… the first bit, “I’ve Got a Theory,” is a wonderful commentary on the show itself. The fact that every single one of the hypotheses (not theories!) posited by the cast, including Xander’s immediately-retracted witches idea (remember Amy’s mother?) and Anya’s idea about bunnies, is absolutely believable within the show’s context is telling. That the one that fits the way most TV at the time worked best (“Some kid is dreamin’/and we’re all stuck inside his wacky Broadway nightmare”) is the least credible might say more. “Bunnies” is, simply, rockin’, an utterly delightful bit of the wondrous weirdness that is Anya’s mind. And “If We’re Together” is heartbreaking, knowing what we know about Buffy and about what’s happening in the minds and lives of the other members of the cast. Buffy needs them right now, and Willow’s sanity is imploding in a dramatic fashion, Xander’s preoccupied with one of life’s more pleasant mundanities, and Giles is convinced that what Buffy needs is to stand on her own at a time when asking her to do so is akin to asking her to move the ocean. “What can’t we face if we’re together,” she asks, but the question is less relevant than it should be. They’re not together.
8. Xander is disturbed, but Willow thought it was neat. Buffy asks what’s causing it; Giles says he thought she said it doesn’t matter, and Buffy says, “I’m not exactly quaking in my stylish yet affordable boots yet, but something unnatural is going on here, and that usually doesn’t lead to hugs and puppies.” Anya asks if it’s just them. Buffy opens the door.
9. “The Mustard.” I think that might have been my favorite scene in the series.
10. “Not just us.”
11. Dawn comes into the Magic Box. She says they’ll never believe what happened at school today. Buffy, totally even tone: “Everybody started singing and dancing?” Dawn: “I gave birth to a pterodactyl.” Anya: “Oh my god. Did it sing?” Willow and Tara are whispering to each other. They need to leave to get a book. This is an excuse to go home. Dawn steals a necklace off the counter.
12. I have to comment on Tara’s dress, because it’s one of the prettiest pieces of clothing I’ve ever seen. I mean… wow, it’s lovely. They’re walking through a park. People are checking Tara out. Tara: “They were really looking at me?” Willow: “And you can’t imagine what they see in you.” Tara: “I know exactly what they see in me. You.”
13. “Under your Spell.” Okay, wow, a lot to say here. How about I start with the song as a piece of music? It’s really good. Amber Benson might have the best singing voice in the regular cast (it’s her or Anthony Stewart Head), and the arrangement is really good. This works as a piece of pop music, outside the context of the show.
INSIDE the context of the show is where it gets complicated, because there’s two songs here, both of which are being sung simultaneously. There’s the song in the moment, the expression of Tara’s feelings about Willow and about her life, and ye gods if this episode was in a less utterly miserably devastating season that would be the end of it and I’d be happy because it’s beautiful and it’s loving and it’s sexy on a level that can set the soul on fire. What it isn’t is subtle, and I love it for that. This show has had a bad habit of desexualizing the relationship between Willow and Tara, yet here they get what might be the most passionate scene about attraction and love the series has ever offered.
But then you put it into the context of the season so far, and when you do that it starts to hurt before the singing even stars. “I know exactly what they see in me. You,” Tara says to the woman who responded to them having a fight - a bad one, but still within the norms of the arguments people in relationships have - by erasing her memory of both the fight and its cause. “I’m under your spell” is the core line of the song. “You make me believe,” she sings to the one who made her believe their relationship is going swimmingly when in fact it is not. The song takes on a sinister feel within the context of the season as a whole, and its first lines, talking about Tara’s backstory and the places she was in before meeting Willow just make that all the more painful.
14. Xander thinks Tara and Willow are having sex, which means Xander has the reasoning ability God gave a goldfish. He tries not to tell Dawn what he thinks. Dawn knows what he thinks. Dawn thinks it’s romantic; Xander and Buffy think it’s not. Dawn: “Come on. Songs, dancing around. What could be wrong with that?”
15. People catching on fire is what’s wrong with that. Hinton Battle is what’s right with that!
16. Xander and Anya’s apartment. I love the geometry of their building. They’re in bed. Xander offers Anya waffle. Anya asks if he’ll make her waffles when they’re married; Xander makes a tired marriage law joke.
17. “I’ll Never Tell.” This has the best opening lines of any song yet. “This is the man that I plan to entangle isn’t he fine/My claim to fame was to maim and to mangle VENGEANCE WAS MINE!” Also, the newspaper headline. “Mayhem caused! Monsters certainly not to blame.” Less cool: The callback to “Pangs,” which was one of the episodes I’ve liked the least. This song brings up their nerves about their upcoming marriage, but the things they’re nervous about largely seem pretty mundane to me. Standard differences between people stuff. If they wanted to get into the reasons for the cold feet Xander displayed in “All the Way” in a way I’d buy, they really should have brought up his issues with his parents. That probably would have blown up the comedy in this song - and this song was very, very funny. I love the dance choreography, too - the way they move around the room. This song was great.
18. Xander and Anya are walking down the street talking to Giles. They do not like their song as much as I did. They don’t bring up “Pangs” being problematic, though. Anya did mention the missing fourth wall. “The Parking Ticket,” sung by series writer Marti Noxon, happens while they’re walking. Giles knows about the guy who burnt up. More than one person has burned up. Giles: “I was able to see the body while the police were taking witness arias.” I love Giles. Buffy is looking for leads, but she’s not into it. Xander says they need to be there for her. Giles puts a “but” at the end of a line that needs not to have a “but.”
19. Spike: “The sun sets and she appears. Come to serenade me?” They talk a bit about the singing. Spike saw a six hundred pound chirago demon singing. He hasn’t sung yet. Buffy turns down a drink. Spike doesn’t want to talk about singing. She doesn’t want to have sex with Spike. He doesn’t know a thing. He’s trying to get rid of her. Urgently. Does he feel a song coming on?
20. “Rest in Peace.” Yes. Yes he does. Buffy’s eyeroll when he starts singing is basically my whole world right now. The song’s good… catchy tune, James Marsters belts it out like a boss. It’s actually a badass bit of really creepy unrequited love rock ballad. The bit in the show where he leaps on a casket while singing is well-done, though I question why, apart from providing a stage for him to sing on (which is reason enough, in this episode), there’s a funeral happening in Sunnydale at night. This song pretty much encapsulates the Buffy/Spike story so far, and is thus creepy as hell. If someone were to sing something like this about me, I’d be really impressed all the way to the courthouse to request a restraining order right the fuck now.
21. “So, you’re not staying, then?” Heh.
22. Dawn is hiding things. Tara comes in and tells her that they have a lead on what’s going on… a demon that can be summoned who’s a lord of the dance. Dawn asks if they know who summoned it. Tara is all lovestruck. Dawn talks about the fight Willow erased from Tara’s memory. Tara doesn’t remember it, and is suddenly off-put. She’s looking at the flower in a bit of terror. She’s going to the Magic Box. Dawn says she’ll be okay.
23. “Dawn’s Lament.” She steals things. Nobody notices. Then she gets kidnapped. By puppet-looking dudes.
24. “Dawn’s Ballet.” Dawn comes to at the Bronze. On the pool table. Nobody’s there. The puppet dudes are there. They ballet-fight-chase.
25. “What You Feel.” So, Hinton Battle as the demon Sweet just explained the entire plot of the episode to us. He gets summoned, his presence makes people sing about things they’re hiding (“All those hearts lie open that must sting”) and sets people on fire by concentrating his power on them (“Plus some customers just die combusting.”) He believes Dawn summoned him, so when he leaves Earth, he’ll take her with him and she’ll be his queen. He also wants to kill the Slayer. I wonder if Sweet’s killed Slayers before? He’s… actually kind of ridiculously powerful. The song itself is wonderful. Did I mention that Hinton Battle has won three Tony awards? That’s important.
26. Buffy and Giles in the training room. Buffy is worried they’ll get a training montage from an 80s movie; Giles says that if they hear any inspirational power chords they’ll lie down until they go away. Buffy is pretty spry for a corpse. Giles asks if she’s spoken to Dawn about the incident on Halloween; she says she thought Giles took care of it, and says she’s ready. He goes to the knife and throwing axe and shuriken rack.
27. “Standing.” This song is beautifully painful. I’m going to start with something you’re likely expecting: Giles is wrong. Buffy, at the moment, needs support, needs duties taken off her shoulders, needs a goddamn therapist; she does not need to be allowed to sink or swim on her own.
But Giles thinks she needs that. He honestly believes, and I can see how he might given the information he has, that Buffy is best off without him at the moment - that she’s leaning on him in a way she’ll never stop, and she’s strong enough now to stand on her own. That the only way for her to continue to heal is for him to leave. He doesn’t want to, and it hurts him on a soul-deep level that he believes he has to go. Leaving will wound him. This song is painful because I do love Giles, and because I read it as being about stupid, pointless self-sacrifice.
Meanwhile, downstairs in the main floor of the shop, Tara walks past crying.
28. Tara has found the flower in a book. Lethe’s bramble, which is used for spells of forgetting and mind control.
29. “Under Your Spell/Standing (Reprise).” Giles continues to express the same sentiment he had in the last song. Tara’s part in this one is more interesting… the stream of consciousness of someone realizing a partner has crossed an unfixable line, but one still loves them. “I can’t adjust to this disgust we’re done and I just wish I could stay.” Meanwhile, Buffy and Willow are conversing at the front of the store while Giles and Tara sing their heartbreak. Buffy and Willow don’t know. They think life goes on.
30. Spike found a puppet guy. Willow is happy to see Tara but Tara doesn’t speak to her and Willow gets all wounded-face. Spike tells the puppet guy to sing. Music starts, then the puppet just explains what’s going on. Then he runs away. Spike: “Strong. Some day he’ll be a real boy.” Buffy: “So, Dawn’s in trouble. Must be Tuesday.” Tara apologizes; Buffy immediately dismisses the idea of it being Tara’s fault. Xander wants to do a full-on cavalry charge; Giles turns that plan down and says Buffy has to go alone. Giles says Buffy is going alone. Spike: “Don’t be a stupid git. There is no…” Giles: “If I want your opinion, Spike, I’ll… I’ll never want your opinion.” Willow suggests a confusion spell; Tara vetoes that. Spike: “Forget it, Slayer. I got your back.” Buffy: “I thought you wanted me to stay away from you. Isn’t that what you sang?” Xander and Anya make fun of Spike. Spike: “Fine. I hope you dance till you burn. You and the little bit.” That’s very Spike - obsessed, angry, violent, worshipping. Buffy is surprised they’re not coming. She asks Giles what he expects her to do; he says “Your best.”
31. “Walk Through the Fire.” A lot to talk about in the big group number too. First off… apparently, this was both the most expensive and most difficult to film scene in the series. I can see why - it’s a huge setpiece, involving a fair chunk of the Sunnydale sets the show has used through its run and a lot of coordination. Plus the fire engines at the end.
Second, “So one by one, they come to me/The distant redness as their guide/But what they’ll find ain’t what they had in mind/It’s what they have inside.” Sweet again lays out the core of his threat - his power to incinerate isn’t nearly the danger that his power to lay secrets bare is.
Buffy is done. She was done in “The Gift,” and everything that’s happened since then has made her more aware just how done she is. Honestly, her duty should have been done at “Prophecy Girl,” when the Slayer line passed from her to Kendra. In “The Gift,” though, she ended her story on her own terms, only to have Willow shred that ending and insist on adding a few new chapters. If Buffy can’t have the ending on her terms, going to confront a being far more powerful than she is while knowing she’s given up (remember “Fool for Love?”) will at least let her have it be over again. Giles, meanwhile, rethinks his decision on sending her alone, and Willow gets a third solo line.
32. “Showtime.” Buffy is at the Bronze, and finds Sweet and Dawn there. Buffy snarks with Sweet a bit, and Dawn swears she didn’t summon him. Buffy offers to go to Hell with Sweet instead of Dawn. Sweet: “What if I kill you?” Buffy: “Trust me. Won’t help.” Sweet: “That’s gloomy.” Buffy: “That’s life.” He asks if life’s a miraculous thing. Buffy: “I think you already know the answer.”
33. “Something to Sing About.” There’s a lot I could say about this song - how tightly-written the lyrics are, the disconcerting amelodism in the bits where Buffy lists off things to live for - but I want to focus on a few moments. The first is the very beginning, the facial acting Sarah Michelle Gellar does while singing the first few lines. Buffy, here, is dragging herself into character - snark and passion, focused on an enemy. That doesn’t last. Second, toward the end of the song, when she’s told them that she was in Heaven (and look at Willow’s face when she does), and she begs Sweet, “Please, give me something (to sing about),” and Sweet gets this almost regretful look in his eyes as he shakes his head. He’s evil, so he wouldn’t, and he’s got nothing, so he can’t, but even he seems moved here. And delighted… there’s also joy there. He’s watched one of the most powerful beings on the planet break for his amusement. Third, Spike’s insight. We see him have really important insights before, things one only understands if one isn’t a person, and this might be more important than his understanding of why opening Glory’s portal has to use blood. He knows what it is to die, to cease to live. He and Buffy are the only people in the room that’s true of, though Tara has a similar experience. Fourth, “The hardest thing in this world is living in it.” Dawn offers Buffy the same words here that Buffy offered Dawn before leaping to her death in “The Gift,” and it resonates very well. Fourth, just as the last few notes play, Tara, holding Willow’s shoulder and comforting her. “We’re done,” she sang in the Reprise, but she still loves Willow, and love moves us to empathy and grace even when a relationship can’t be salvaged. This episode needs no action climax; it has this song.
34. Sweet: “Now, that was a show stopper. Not quite the that I was looking for…” Then Willow, who is the only person here who might be on Sweet’s level, threatens him. Sweet smells power. “I guess the little missus and I should be on our way.” Giles: “That’s never going to happen.” Sweet: “I don’t make the rules. She summoned me.” Dawn again insists she didn’t. He points out that what she’s wearing is his talisman. She says she found it on the floor… that’s a lie. But she didn’t, in fact, summon him. Giles says that if it was in the shop, it was one of them… it turns out it was Xander. He thought there would be dances and songs, and wanted to make sure they’d get a happy ending. Sweet is annoyed. Xander asks if he has to be Sweet’s queen. Sweet: “It’s tempting… but I think we’ll waive that clause just this once. Big smiles, everyone. You beat the bad guy.”
35. “What You Feel (Reprise).” “All those secrets you’ve been concealing’/Say you’re happy now, once more with feeling/Now I gotta run/See you all/In HELLLLLL!” Also, his expression when he sings “And there’s not a one who can say this ended well.” This was a pyrrhic victory for everyone involved, which I didn’t think was possible.
36. “Where Do We Go From Here?” Big group sing about being lost. “The battle’s done and we kinda won so we sound our victory cheer/Where do we go from here?” Awkwardness at the start of the song. “Understand we go hand in hand but we walk alone in fear.” That moment might have my favorite choreography in the episode. I love Spike breaking out of the song. “Bugger this.” “The curtains close on a kiss God knows we can tell the end is near.” Buffy meets Spike outside. “The day you suss out what you do want, there’ll probably be a parade. Seventy-six bloody trombones.” From watching Sound! Euphonium, that would be a LOT of trombones. That would be nearly a concert band and a half worth of just trombones. They sing the opening bars of their songs - “Walk through the Fire” from Buffy and “Rest in Peace” from Spike - and then they kiss. Episode end. Different ending credit song. Plus a big The End card in the style of classic (as in, 1940s-1950s) musical films. The Mutant Enemy sings “Grr, Argh!”
Overall: This is the best episode so far this season. This is the best episode since “Hush.” It belongs with “Hush,” “Amends,” and the best parts of the Faith arc in the list of best episodes of the series. This is how you do an episode about depression and sadness and being overwhelmed and miserable and make it not merely watchable but brilliant.
There are reasons that most of the great theater of the twentieth century, and much of the best cinema of its first half, comes in the form of musicals. You put an idea to song and the idea becomes easier to think about while still being entertained. Stephen Sondheim has done truly great musicals about the mundanity and loneliness of modern life (“Company”) and the assassinations of various Presidents of the United States (“Assassins,”) and they’re actively fun to watch while still making poignant emotional points. That’s the power of a well-composed musical.
It does, however, kind of make me wish I’d skipped much of the last three or four episodes. It tells me their stories in song form, which is a far more enjoyable way of seeing them than actually sitting through them. “Show, don’t tell,” the old adage goes, but if showing takes three hours of television, most of which I’m going to be miserable for because people I like are being tormented in gruesome emotional detail while telling involves a peppy song and dance number, I’m quite frankly fine with telling.
Even in its full version, which takes up nearly a full hour (they cut back drastically on the number of commercials that aired during this episode’s first run), “Once More With Feeling” is short for a musical. The cartoon version of “The Lion King” runs for 89 minutes, and the stage performance goes for 150 minutes including a single brief intermission. But it runs as long as it needs to, and tells its story well.
Sweet is one of the show’s best villains, and, apart from possibly the First Evil from “Amends,” probably the best one-episode monster the show’s given us. Among the seasonal villains, I’d probably place the Mayor and Glory above him.
This episode is a reminder, in the midst of a truly dismal time, how great a show Buffy the Vampire Slayer can be.
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