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Been entertaining myself by trawling through the Shen Jiu/Original Shen Qingqiu tag on AO3. Started reading fics from the oldest to the latest. So far, I've reached fics that were last updated or written in 2023.
One of the fics I encountered was peppered with the words "fuck" and "shit". That's just in the first chapter.
I've got no problems with curse words in fics. You know what made me click the Back button?
The curse words were written as "f*ck" and "sh*t".
And one of the characters was saying "fuck" over and over, but it's written as "f*ck".
Authors, please, I beg of you, don't censor curse words or terms you deem sensitive . It ruins the reading experience. AO3 will not delete your fics or ban you if you write out words such as "slut", "fuck", "shit", "kill" or "rape". How can you convince your readers on why these words should be on your fic if you can't even get yourself to write them as they are?
#AO3#southernwolf16 rambles#fanfiction#fanfic#on censorship#Scum Villain's Self-Saving System#SVSSS#I read a post here on Tumblr that's related to this#the post was pointing out that if you censor certain words it means you're not mature enough to actually tackle/use them#something to that effect#I hope people already stopped censoring words at least on AO3#it's already 2024
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I'm not putting anything in the tags, turn on comments coward. Have you tried to use google lately or any other search engine? they censor a plethora of information and are known to feed narratives based on what certain corporate counterparts want. I would rather hear from a person, or even ai who has the toolset to officially attain information convey a specific point rather than provide some of the most mind numbing journalism articles to ever exist. Scholar is the only good part of google anymore unless you're checking the weather.
hi there! I'm a bit baffled by the tone of this, we're strangers and I don't understand why you felt it was okay to call me a coward over this, but I'm going to try and explain a few things to hopefully clear this up! I'm very sorry you felt upset at the wording of my poll.
first, I have comments off because people kept using my comments to make fun of me, or call me awful things. this was on posts that were apolitical in nature, too. I guess I'm pretty easy to bully. I'm just trying to reduce the number of upsetting comments I see about myself. my comments are off on all posts (unless you've been following me for over a week!). I'm sorry, I'd turn them on for this post if I could but the setting can only be applied across my entire blog. You can totally reblog and put your thoughts in the body of the post though! that way it doesn't get lost in the tags.
next, I realise I wasn't clear about what kind of information the poll was about. I was talking about questions like "what does 'myriad' mean?" or "what is the name of the fruit in this image?" or "are kiwi birds extinct?", all of which I've seen something similar being asked in the comments of posts. I wasn't talking about the more nuanced, complex, important information that needs a lot of explaining. I'm very sorry I wasn't more clear in my post, I'm going back to edit it and clarify after I've posted your ask!
Lastly, you do have a good point. search engines are notorious for picking and choosing information and are very prone to corporate interference. but please, in future, try not to assume the worst about people you don't know! I posted that poll for fun, out of curiosity, and apologised for the lack of nuance in the post. I was quite surprised and hurt at how unkind your wording was, when it didn't need to be at all. you could have conveyed the exact same information without calling me a coward for a choice I made. I understand that this subject is important to you and you might have felt like I was restricting your ability to share your thoughts, which could have influenced the tone you chose, but like I explained, it was for entirely unrelated reasons, to keep myself safe online. I know you might be used to people who do this kind of thing on purpose, or are intentionally abrasive towards you and others, and I'm really sorry if that's the case. It still hurts to hear someone call me names.
#ask tag#long post#discourse#<- not exactly but. for anyone who has that tag blocked#I hope my response comes across right!! if you have any questions please dm me or reblog with them! I'm happy to try and answer#long answer sorry! but I hope what I'm trying to say is clear
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FERAL OVERPROTECTIVE BOYFRIEND AKECHI IF HE WAS IN PERSONA 5 STRIKERS
Related to above post
Edit 12/11: Upon Comment notifying I don't need to censor certain words, I've changed some to the original intention.
Edit 12/18: Uncensored whole post
Sees Zenkichi as an immediate threat. Tries to throw hands with the man and gives him death stares 24/7.
Gramps sealed his fate the second he openly revealed to the PTs that he's a cop. Akechi is like "I'm a former ally of the Police, I know what you're group does and what your true intentions are probably. Your "cool dad" vibe isn't fooling me one bit. I could care less what happens to most of these idiots BUT IF YOU SO AS GO WITHIN FIVE FEET OF MY JOKER WITH HANDCUFFS OR A GUN, YOUR ASS IS GRASS."
Akiren has to constantly be on watch to make sure his feral lover doesn't successfully snipe Zenkichi while he isn't looking. Because he definitely tries. Akiren just told him he couldn't shoot him with his gun, but he didn't say anything about killing the man with a sniper while hiding in a very convenient tree or hiding in a very out of place suspicious Trash Can or Bush. If it weren't for Akiren's Third Eye being able to see where Akechi is hiding, Gramps would be laying in a pool of blood on the pavement already.
"Why is that brunet man glaring at me?" Zenkichi points at Akechi hiding behind Akiren, but definitely not out of shyness. He's hugging Akiren in practically a death grip and staring at the Cop over Akiren's shoulder. If looks could kill, Zenkichi is certain his exploded headless corpse would be laying on the ground.
Extra: Akiren would try to get Akechi out of his "Detective mode" when trying to look for the next Monarch. By happily dragging him around every hotspot in a new city they travel to. Just because they are on a mission doesn't mean they can't take some time off and enjoy the sights!
"Babe, look at all the food stands! We have to try them all and fill the van full of souvenirs."
"Did you forget we're not soley on Summer break, but traveling because once again your freedom is on the line? We're investigating for more intel on the current Monarch first, then perhaps we can indulge oursel---AMAMIYA, LET ME GO."
Akiren literally grabs Goro by the arm and drags him away from the people he was questioning, and to the food stands. "Romantic sightseeing and shopping spree first, Detective work later."
"We are literally in the middle of an investigate--"
"ROMANTIC SIGHTSEEING. AND SHOPPING SPREE. FIRST. INVESTIGATION. LATER."
#persona 5 royal#persona 5 strikers#akiren#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#goro akechi#akeshu#akeshu hc#shuake#ren x akechi#overprotective#feral behavior#zenkichi hasegawa#on thin ice#tw: gun mention#tw: blood mention
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Re this anon: https://olderthannetfic.tumblr.com/post/718955493420384256
Yes, I will immediately throw into a trashcan anything Stitch attaches themselves to, and yes, I will also throw into a trashcan anything their devotees say, and I don't care if "it's not nuanced" or whatever other crap is the word of the day.
Stitch goes out of their way to attack people, screenshot their works and posts and then block them before they (Stitch) posts them onto their very public and followed Twitter profile, sending their followers to insult and attack anyone who doesn't agree with their braindead rants that we're all supposed to see as JSTOR worthy essays.
You wanna know who Stitch's besties in my fandoms are? All people who aren't black and who founded Discords they were forced to shut down because people were taking screenshots of them being openly racist against black characters, that's who.
How come people who are posting their stupid little fics are horrifically racist against Stitch and their followers specifically, to the point that a task force should be created to ban them from the internet as a whole, but Stitch's besties are totes okay writing vile shit, insulting and disrespecting all the POC in fandom, and attempting to blacklist all the creators who don't cater to their specific tastes?
None of the people who are pushing this movement have given me a single reason why I should listen to them. Not one. Oh, they wrote a manifesto? Cool! I can write one too! This doesn't mean I'm someone people should listen to or that should have the authority to delete others' works.
Moreover, fandom spaces are known for harboring racefakers, people who come up with batshit identities just because they want to belittle others. Remember HIVliving? What about that other one who was exposed like a year or so ago? If I'm not mistaken, the last grifter was constantly using Stitch's points too.
Am I supposed to be suspended from Ao3 and harassed (because this would absolutely happen, these people don't do a single thing if they can't use it as bragging material) because there's some white college student from Iowa who spends their days larping as a half Native American, half Iranian refugee who decided that they don't like a certain kink and therefore it means that anybody who writes about it is inherently racist? And we all know that, in the moment they were to be exposed, Stitch and devotees would suddenly decide that they prefer the "no comment" route, as well as weak attempts at defending them by saying "Yes, they were wrong in pretending to be of another race, but you all attacked them when you thought they were a POC, so you're still racist for calling them out and they're still right for sending their followers to harass you."
Sorry if I don't want my fics to be policed by these kinds of people. I've seen how they treat people they disagree with and who push back, and they're all absolutely vile and entitled individuals who see no issue in sending death and rape threats as long as the creator they're sending them to does something they don't like.
To sum it up: Stitch is trash, their followers are trash, and this whole campaign is just their 1000th attempt to censor people they don't like and who don't cater to their personal tastes (and that don't kiss their asses enough).
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I presume the one from a year ago that you're thinking of is the Old Guard fandom racefaker. (Though, really, this pattern repeats regularly.)
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i'm not gonna reply directly to the post because i don't wanna get into a bunch of shit, but i was surprised to see a mutual i respect reblog it, so i'll say this much. the reason people in bdsm didn't like 50 shades of grey was not as simple as "this is harmful". they didn't like it because it was an innaccurate portrayal of bdsm - or, more accurately, a portrayal of how bsdm can be used as an excuse to abuse - that was CLAIMING to be ACCURATE, GOOD BSDM. the problem wasn't the content itself, the problem was that anytime a criticism was brought up, you were accused of not being able to handle the spice, and the author was CONSTANTLY insisting that what her character did was totally fine and he definitely wasn't Like That. yes, we SHOULD have bare minimum standards of kink, but that doesn't mean "fictional depictions of abuse as kink are automatically harmful". it's about the context and attitude you're entering with, just like any other media. what matters is the conversation around it, not the content itself. Let's all remember that Lolita's biggest problem was readers viewing it as a romance, when the author was certain any sane reader would know how awful the situation was. and i've said it before but it bears repeating until this becomes common sense again: equating fictional abuse, even romanticized, to real abuse causes more harm than its existance does. equating lolicon to actual fucking child molestation is a massive disservice to CSA victims. equating anime twincest to the actual real life abuse of incest lessens the impact the word has for real situations. and i REALLY shouldn't have to say this, but telling a black person that they can't partake in raceplay is SIGNIFICANTLY more racist than anything they're gonna be agreeing to.
and whenever someone tries to give praise to weird and problematic kinks, or talks about how fictional darkness can't hurt you any further than you can hurt yourself with it, or anything remotely related, somebody always comes in with "um okay i agree unless its pedo shit", and we KNOW you mean the fictional stuff. you ALWAYS mean the fictional stuff. and i'm sorry, but no. if nobody was harmed unconsentually in the making of this god damn fanfic then you can just walk away. any argument you try to make for why it's actually Too Harmful To Be Allowed is going to use the same logic that christian moms use to say that pokemon is DEFINITELY going to make your child a satanist. yes, some people can use fiction to cause or perpetuate harm. authors can convince their fans that some fucked up shit is okay, abusers can use ANYTHING to build trust and convince their victims that what they're doing is fine, and people with little self-control can use things that trigger them to emotionally self-harm. all of this is true, and deserves to be talked about and considered. but if you can handle the idea that the majority of people playing violent video games every day are not actually violent people and will react negatively to real world violence, and can enjoy the mayhem they cause in-game while also being aware of how bad it is in real life, and SOME people being inspired to violence does not mean we should ban those games entirely, you can apply the same to kink. even the shit you find abhorrent. to be very frank, we shouldn't HAVE to bring up the therapeutic benefits to victims of real crimes for you to be consistent in your beliefs on censorship. edit: also pointed out to me and extremely important: "pedo shit" is EXACTLY how queer stuff is painted by conservative censors. it is one of the oldest arguments they have. so YES, the best way to immunize ourselves from allowing gays to be censored because too many people find them gross and immoral, is to get used to there being fictional csa depictions even if you find them gross and immoral. your disgust and fear that somebody MIGHT be hurt by it or MIGHT be taking it the wrong way is not, and has never been, a good reason to remove it. again: if no actual people have been harmed in its creation, then it should be allowed. we're obviously not defending actual CSEM here, that is irrefutable harm. we're defending the stupid fetishized anime shit that helps the people who went through that process and move forward.
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oc-tober day 8: past
posting this but in a shy way since I'm putting a little snippit of writing under the cut.
baby boy. baby baby boy... this was from just post the personal story. i made up some whispers lore or whatever but this is the reason why he has a very high pain tolerance.
"Preceptor Velazquez."
Trahearne called out to the man suddenly, the words tumbling from his mouth as he noticed him walking past. Doern turned to face the sylvari. "Ah, Marshal. Can I help you?"
"You can."
Doern's eyebrows raised in response to his stern tone. "Perhaps in your office, then?"
Trahearne nodded and without a word he whisked past the other man, leading him through the winding hallways. Without turning around, he opened the door to his office, stood aside and gestured for the Preceptor to enter. The sylvari followed close behind him, quickly closing the door.
"It's been a while since I've seen you so serious, Marshal," Doern said curiously. “With the threat of Zhaitan dealt with and all.”
The sylvari skipped over his comment. "I respect that the nature of your Order may mean you aren't at liberty to share certain information with me," Trahearne said, leaning against his desk with his arms folded. "But I'm afraid in this particular situation, I must insist that you tell me what I need to know."
An amused smile tugged at the corner of Doern's lips. "Straight to business then. And what is it you need to know?”
"I'm sure you're aware that the Pact's Commander works within your organisation."
"Lightbringer Harukehn. Of course."
"And I'm sure the Order of Whispers can appreciate that, regardless of the Commander's previous history, it's quite a privilege that he is able to continue working for you alongside his other duties," Trahearne continued, his eye contact pointed and unwavering.
"That's one way to look at it," Doern replied carefully. "We're grateful that the Lightb–, uh, the Commander," he corrected himself as he saw Trahearne's mouth tighten, "chooses to grace us with his time."
Looking satisfied, Trahearne continued. "The Commander is also a very skilled fighter, wouldn’t you agree?”
Doern looked thoughtful for a moment before slowly nodding. "While I haven't worked alongside him enough myself, I have heard as much."
"Does he regularly return from missions unscathed?"
The Preceptor's brow furrowed at the specific question, his suspicion growing. "Not many of us have a perfect record but, on the whole, I would say so, yes."
Trahearne smiled, but it was anything but friendly. "I see."
The sylvari straightened and took a step toward the human. Doern stood his ground. "Then would you mind telling me, Preceptor, why your Order is constantly sending the Commander back to the Pact bruised, battered, and bleeding?"
"Ah." Doern's face flickered with understanding.
Trahearne took another step forward. "I will not stand for my Commander being sent on reckless, dangerous missions if he’s going to return to me in increasingly poorer health."
Doern chuckled slightly, and Trahearne’s mouth twitched with frustration in response. "I see what's going on here."
"Do you?" Trahearne’s tone was cold.
"I suppose the Commander didn't tell you,” he sighed. "Though that makes sense. We didn't outright say he could. Incredible discretion, that one. You sylvari seem to only come in two flavours; complete blabbermouths and lips so tight it's almost inconvenient."
Trahearne remained silent.
"Your Commander is training to become a Keeper, in case you didn’t know."
"I am aware."
"Keepers, like Lightbringers, are privy to a lot of important information, but they often work alone due to the sensitivity of their missions."
"You don't need to censor yourself with me, Preceptor," Trahearne said flatly. "If you mean assassination, you can say so."
Doern smiled. "There might be some of that, yes," he said. "Point is, if they go missing, there's a risk it may not be noticed for a time."
Trahearne held his tongue, but Doern noticed the judgement in his expression.
"We obviously check in with them on a regular basis, but we still need… Assurances, shall we say, that the confidential information they carry won’t end up in the hands of our enemies."
"What kind of assurances?"
Doern seemed to consider the sylvari for a moment, weighing up his options. "Given our agreement, I suppose this isn't above your paygrade," he mumbled to himself. “In order to become a Keeper, we need to make sure our candidates are resistant to all kinds of interrogation,” he explained. "And so, they receive training."
Trahearne stared at him, and Doern was slightly uneasy at the incredulous look in his eyes. His disbelief seemed to indicate that he had understood the indirect explanation.
“You mean to say you are torturing h–” Trahearne cut himself off. “You’re torturing your own people?”
“It’s consensual,” Doern said with a shrug. “And they can opt out whenever they want with no consequences.”
“How generous.”
The human folded his arms and fixed the other man with a challenging look. “It’s pragmatic, Marshal. Our agents are privy to highly confidential information. Getting caught is a risk of the job. You become a Keeper understanding that protecting your intel may have a heavy cost. We are giving our people the ability to withstand that,” he explained, a hint of indignation creeping into his voice. “Not that I need to justify our methods to you, right Marshal?”
Trahearne looked away, shame beginning to warm his cheeks as recognition washed over him. “It is his choice, then,” he eventually said. He avoided Doern’s gaze as he spoke again. “So, may I ask how he is doing?”
He was grateful for the way the Preceptor glossed over his unjustified temper. “Quite well, actually. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen someone progress this fast. Maybe strange to say, but I think the Commander has a real knack for–”
Doern’s words were cut off as the door to the office suddenly swung open.
“Speak of the devil,” the man muttered with a half-smile.
“Marshal,” Harukehn managed to stammer. “P-Preceptor,” he gave a quick bow. “I’m so sorry. I should have knocked.”
Trahearne’s face softened and he held up a hand. “It’s alright, Commander, come in. We were just finishing up, weren’t we, Preceptor?”
“Yes, we were,” Doern replied slowly. “Good to speak with you, Marshal.” He turned and began to walk toward the open door. He stopped beside Harukehn for a moment. “Keep up the good work, Lightbringer. Though I don’t think I’ll be calling you that for much longer, hm?”
“Thank you, Preceptor,” Harukehn said, lowering his eyes respectfully.
Doern looked over his shoulder at Trahearne once more and the two shared a look that escaped Harukehn’s notice before he left, closing the door behind him.
“I’m sorry for interrupting, Marshal,” Harukehn said, breaking the silence.
Trahearne shook his head. “Don’t worry, it’s no problem,” he said, his gaze shifting down toward the bandage wrapped around the other man’s neck, identical to the strips of white dressings that had been appearing all over his body in recent weeks.
“Is everything alright?” Harukehn asked tentatively.
“Everything is fine,” Trahearne replied, but it was unconvincing. He knew he could have left it there and Harukehn would not have probed further out of respect. He took a deep breath and closed his eyes for a moment. Despite himself, he began to speak. “I was asking about you.”
“Me?”
He squeezed the bridge of his nose and exhaled. “Now it’s my turn to apologise, Commander. I should have just asked you directly.”
“What about?”
“Recently, you have been returning from your Whispers duties with more and more injuries. I was concerned,” he explained.
“Oh.” Harukehn seemed at a loss for words. “I…”
“I understood that there was a chance that whatever was going on, you may not be able to disclose it to me. And so, I didn’t want to put you in a difficult situation.” Trahearne sighed and shook his head. “But I fear I may have made a fool of myself by making assumptions.”
“I should have told you,” Harukehn said apologetically. “But I wasn’t sure…”
“You’re not obligated to tell me everything,” Trahearne said. There was a trace of reluctance in the furrow of his brow. Harukehn shifted nervously before walking over to the other sylvari.
“I should have told you what was going on sooner,” Harukehn said. “But I thought maybe no one would notice,” he tried to offer lightheartedly.
Trahearne frowned. “Why would you think that?”
Harukehn hesitated.
“Look at me, Harukehn,” Trahearne said. “Why would I not notice?”
Harukehn shook his head. “I don’t know,” he said, breaking out of his shocked silence.
Trahearne gave him a sad smile. He reached out with open hands. “Will you let me look?”
Harukehn nervously held out his right hand. The other sylvari slowly removed his glove and gently unwrapped the hastily tied bandage, placing it on the desk. He removed the blood-stained gauze and frowned as he looked over the wounds on Harukehn’s wrist. They were fine and precise, clearly from a purposefully wielded blade. On the surface, they did not look that serious. But it was the depth of the cuts that concerned him.
"What was applied to your wounds before you left?” He asked softly.
“Nothing,” Harukehn admitted.
The sylvari tutted with frustration. He reached over the desk, not letting go of Harukehn’s arm, and rummaged in his desk drawer. He withdrew a small bag and set it down, opening it and withdrawing what looked like first-aid tools. “Allow me.”
Harukehn nodded. Trahearne guided him to a chair. He sat across from him, on the corner of his desk, and busied himself with cleaning the man’s skin of dried blood. He knew that the antiseptic would have stung, but he noted the way that the other sylvari did not even flinch. Doern’s words of praise were clearly not misplaced.
“If they’re going to put you through all of this, the least they could do is tend to you properly afterwards,” Trahearne mumbled his critique as he worked. “Re-opening the same wounds over and over again, too…”
Harukehn obediently sat still. “It’s not that bad, I promise,” he offered.
“Even so.”
Trahearne re-applied fresh bandages to both of his wrists carefully and then discarded the bloodied supplies. His hands fell to his lap and for a moment he was quiet. “Your neck,” he said, his demeanour suddenly hesitant. “May I?”
Harukehn nodded again, but he sunk into the chair timidly. He jumped slightly as the other sylvari’s fingers brushed against the bottom of his jaw. Removing the bandage revealed neat cuts of varying lengths circling the entirety of his neck. Trahearne leaned in close, the thin lines of the cuts almost difficult to see among the curves of his leafy skin. His hands moved with uncertainty as he dabbed at the wounds, and he could feel Harukehn swallow nervously beneath his fingers. The warm, red glow in his face had spread to the tips of his ears.
“This must be uncomfortable,” Trahearne said, like an apology.
“It’s fine,” Harukehn breathed, keeping his gaze low.
“Would you mind just…” Trahearne gently tilted the sylvari’s chin up slightly. “Holding your head up?”
Harukehn closed his eyes and made a noise in acknowledgement. Trahearne could see the discomfort in his face and hear the way he was struggling to keep his breathing steady. He held a piece of gauze up to Harukehn’s neck as he prepared a new bandage, open palm pressed gently against his throat. He wrapped it around him and instead of tying a clumsy and potentially dangerously tight knot, he finished with attaching to the front of the bandage a small, hooked fixing. He unconsciously allowed his hands to linger on Harukehn’s neck for a moment, feeling the warmth of his skin through the bandages, before pulling away.
“There. It won’t get infected now,” he said finally.
Harukehn’s parted lips managed to stammer out a single word of thanks.
“Are you alright?”
Harukehn opened his eyes again and met the other sylvari’s gaze. “I’m… Okay.”
Trahearne began to pack away his tools as he spoke. “If they keep wounding you in the same place, there’s a risk of it scarring,” he said. “Please, if possible, would you come to me afterwards? I will do what I can.”
“If it’s not too much of a hassle,” Harukehn replied.
“Don’t be silly.”
“Thank you, then. I appreciate it.”
Trahearne momentarily placed a reassuring hand on the other sylvari’s knee. “Anytime. Truly.” He then got up and walked around the desk to return the items to the drawer. “You must be tired,” he said. “Go rest if you need to. Don’t worry about anything else for the day.”
“That might be a good idea,” Harukehn said, mainly to himself.
“I’ll walk you back,” Trahearne offered. “And I’ll come and check in this evening,” he then gestured to the tea set that sat on the shelf behind him. “Any preferences for tea?”
“Oh, uh,” Harukehn squinted at the stack of tea canisters. “Ginger would be great.”
“Good choice. I’ll bring it with me later,” Trahearne said, returning to Harukehn’s side. “Shall we go?” While there was nothing wrong with the other sylvari’s legs, he reached out a hand.
Harukehn took it and stood.
Trahearne smiled and led him out of the office and walked Harukehn back to his quarters. He turned to leave, but before he walked away, he offered one final request.
“Send for me if you need anything. Please.”
Harukehn nodded. “Thank you, Trahearne. I will.”
#oc-tober#bweirdoctober#bweirdoctober 2023#harukehn#oc_tober#my art#ive been having fun just working in black and white lately which is literally the opposite of everything ive ever drawn in my life fr#its fun! im having fun trying to do little sketches each day :)
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I don't mean to bring up something from a month ago but I just had a thought for what SAMS is doing (you don't have to post if you're not comfortable sharing this also!)
A while back they did the whole Miku thing and made fun of the idea of Sun being suicidal (I mostly just thought it was in really bad taste for them to do, but a lot of people were actually hurt by it!!) but okay, with the way the arc is going right now, if Sun ACTUALLY DOES END UP being suicidal canonically after they blatantly made fun of fans for thinking that way (or if they even just make Sun willfully let himself come to harm to stop Moon) then that'll make me mad, lol. Cuz they'd have made fun of fans for thinking Sun could be suicidal only to turn around and do the exact thing they made fun of them for!!
If it turns out that way, well... they were writing this arc and the Miku episode wasn't THAT long ago all things considered, so they had to know what Sun was going to do in the arc, and yet they'd make fun of fans for it!
I agree with you on this, dear anon.
It'd also upset me.. but it'd upset me if it was with Moon or Eclipse or actually anyone else.. because what was the point in not addressing Sun being suicidal before if they'd do that with someone else.. YouTube guidelines definitely have nothing to do with that..
But. But there's one thing I was wondering about since Davis' post on Twitter (X) which is.. what if they didn't make fun of anyone actually? What if Miku is her own character? What if that episode wasn't supposed to disprove fans' headcanons that Sun is suicidal? But contrary..
Though I need to agree that usage of word "suicide" was unnecessary because ofc they had to censor it because of YouTube.. it made that episode unnecessarily controvertial imo..
What was worse is that Sun said that Miku is projecting her own issues on him.. which is problematic considering what Miku stands for and that most of fans project their own issues on their favourite characters not just Sun but in general..
I'd like to think that it wasn't made in bad faith.. that VAs were badly informed by their closer circle of friends - from Discord - that some Sun's fans wished Sun to be suicidal and those are the same who project their own issues on him..
I'd like to think that they believed some false rumors solely because they don't interact with fans.. Does it make this whole situation right? No. But idk.. maybe I'm dumb and I'm having too much hope in them.. but whatever..
I think that I'm not affected by all of this that much anymore.. ofc this is only me and others can still be affected and upset by this and it's valid..
But I'm trying to focus on what's in front of me.. which means if I see Sun expressing suicidal thoughts or ideations I'm saying it.. I'm trying not to think too much about what will happen.. I mean I already said what I think may happen but I'm trying not to.. idk how to say this.. but I'm trying not to be.. before I was too deep in my own bad thoughts.. so I was simply scared.. but now I feel quite okay with that..
I hope that you understand what I mean, dear anon.
I'd like to think that all of this was because of certain group of people which I won't name for obvious reasons.. if you follow me you may know who I'm talking about and to what situation it relates to..
Maybe I'm really dumb for being so hopeful.. maybe I'm too naive.. but I like giving another chances to others..
But ofc you're right.. if they'll make Sun suicidal - for me he is but I know what you mean by that - it'll come across as distasteful and disingenuous because like you said they mocked fans for thinking that Sun is suicidal at first..
But we can see that they hint more or less obviously that Moon is suicidal and Eclipse as well.. and if they made any of them do that.. I'd be even more angry.. because what? Is it only a problem with Sun? But with others it's not? I find it be in really bad taste to do something like that..
Hence why I think that it's either they'll admit that Sun is suicidal or was, doesn't matter, or they won't make anyone try to kill themselves.. even though they already did that with Moon who tried to destroy the bottle of wine to possibly harm himself.. which truly makes them hypocrites..
But I wouldn't mind them addressing Sun's mental issues properly.. like I said maybe I'm too dumb and too naive but I'd like to give them another chance..
But it's only me.. others have every right to find it distasteful and disingenuous and awful or disgusting even.. because of what they did in that episode with Miku..
I can only speak for myself.
Thank you for speaking up about it though, dear anon cause it is important to talk about it.. to see the hypocrisy and how they mistreated fans..
Have a nice day or night, dear anon 💗
#sun and moon show#sams#sams sun#sams fandom#sams moon#sams eclipse#tw suicide#anon#anon ask#ask answered
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I'm quite late to this new scarletarosa drama and I should mention she used to do this in the past as well but in different ways.
I remember a few years ago when she was quite new to the witchcraft, pagan side of tumblr, she used to rely a lot on other bloggers posts. Her main posts were devotional moodboards. She was fishing for or requesting free readings ( tarot, energy, aura, past life readings) from other bloggers, just to confirm her belief that she's somehow lilith or that her persona is close to what lilith represents.
She used to think she's married to lucifer in the spirit world, and she was pregnant ( as her spirit/ astral body ) with his child??!! She started soon to offer her own readings to people she was getting close to, and in each past life story she was giving she was basically projecting her own traumas. Her past life stories always include something about su**de, r*pe, violence, m*rder, being a powerful witch or person who was k*lled or tortured by christian authorities, being a powerful spirit/ entity tortured by the christian God, having a life full of horrors, and how all of these are tied to your current life. If someone has a fear of something or are anxious about certain situations it's because they suffered in a past life and now they have to suffered again but instead of being weak, they have to fight and find strength in the suffering, otherwise they'll never be healed and they'll have miserable future lives as well.
Her stories were almost copy pasted to fit someone else's situation. Instead of tar spirits following you around you had to be anxious because of some energy that comes from your past lives. And there was always an element pointing towards how abrahamic religions abuse people, and everyone seemed to be abused by people of this faiths or by the abrahamic god himself. She definitely projects her traumas on her readings.
I see someone said she has a schizoid personality disorder or something like that and she probably has, because she used to mention how she had these "gifts" that normal people fear and tell you that you're crazy if you mention them, but once she embraced the facts that gods speak to her, she found meaning and truth in life. She couldn't wait to finish her life and mission here and go back to lucifer who loves her.
She definitely lacked support and love in her life so she found comfort in what lucifer represents. It's sad that her situation hasn't gotten better.
That sounds a lot like what I've been hearing so far. All very bad, all very unfortunate.
Also for future reference, please do not censor sensitive words. Censoring them is not good for screen readers, and if someone has the words on their blacklist, the blacklist won't pick them up. Simply just spell them out in full.
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The last anon was being a little nitpicky, but they were right. In certain locations, it's considered a slur referring to indigenous or aboriginal peoples. I know in Australia it's used to alienate and exclude or harass natives. Obviously, that's not the context it's being used in here, but it doesn't hurt to be mindful or aware. (This is mostly in response to asking how it can be a slur anyways when it doesn't refer to a person, but it is and does.)
Since these are anons, I may as well answer in the same post.
I know how it can be used as a slur and what it means. The point is that when you use it to refer to an AU, it doesn't mean that. It's just a coincidence that the words look and sound (at the least the way I read it) the same.
I guess by this logic you should forbid people to call male chicken cocks in front of children, because it's a vulgar word. When it isn't, it means male chicken.
By the same toke I guess you would have to call out every dog breeder for their misogyny when they call their female dogs used for breeding "bitches", when that's just the technical word for it.
I bet you're able to infer, through context, when a word has a "problematic" meaning or an innocuous one, and you don't require these words to be ereased from the dictionary.
Also funnily enough anon nitpicks the usage of a word that clearly doesn't mean a slur when the omegaverse dynamic could be taken apart on, like, 5 other different fronts for being bigoted in different ways, definitely more real and harmful. (Again, because it seems I'm not clear enough, racism against aboriginal people is very real and harmful. The fact that a three letter word that shares the same spelling would perpetuate racism a little less, in my opinion)
Regarding the fist anon specifically, when I mean it doesn't refer to a person, I meant the omegaverse tag specifically. There's no person or culture or anything remotely linked to anything human when you use it like that. How can you mistake it for a slur?
You're perfectly free to dislike using the word but I think you're censoring a word without actually grounds to do so.
#not an ad#its 5 am so it must be all over the place#in case theres more asks about this when i wake ill definitely make more coherent points then
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Deltarune Chapter 2 Theory
DELTARUNE SPOILERS AHEAD
I'll put under a read more, but just in case it doesn't work. Here's your warning to block "#delatrune spoilers" or scroll really fast.
Spoilers for end game and bonus boss, and a long ass dump of all the ideas I have in my head before I forget them. So, sorry if I got anything wrong or it's a mess.
I've seen a lot of theories flying around, but haven't seen this one yet. (Sorry if it is already out there and I just haven't seen it, I'm sure somebody will already have put it together better than me.) This is just some funky ideas I've been throwing around, because I'll be honest here, I love the main 3 so much, and would be sad to see any of them turn out to be evil like so many theories are suggesting.
Maybe I'm just trying to be optimistic, maybe it's the weird nb kid deep inside me latching onto a kindred spirit, maybe I'm on to something.
So here's the thing. I don't believe Kris is the knight.
I know, I know, but stay with me here.
There's no denying that at the end of the chapter, Kris created a new fountain, and with it, likely a new dark world. But I'd like to argue, this is the first one they've created. My evidence is shaky, but I think there's something there that could blossom.
I'll start off with the simple fact that multiple characters who have met the knight, Spades King especially, didn't recognise Kris at all, and you would have thought they'd recognise the person who's been feeding them so much information. You do also have a couple of dialogue options with the king this time, and definitely with the Queen, so it seems strange that neither of them recognise the voice of their Knight in shining armour.
This is where stuff starts to get a bit flaky, but also, a lot more intriguing.
At the end of the chapter Kris opened a fountain, and the night before, we saw Kris remove the soul inside them and brandish their knife. Assuming that Kris spent that time without the soul creating a fountain is a fair assumption to make, and I think it's possible that was Kris's intention, perhaps they have some connection to the knight, and knew how the fountains could be opened. But, they were missing one important ingredient.
In Chapter 2 we get an explanation from the Queen about how dark fountains are created, and with it a word that has largely been missing from Deltarune.
That's right, good old Determination.
Fountains are created when a determined Lightner plunges a sharp object into the ground. And here's where the theory comes in. I believe prior to the end of chapter 2, Kris didn't have Determination. Throughout the game, they've been filled with various sources of power, from Fluffy Boys and Mean Girls, to Cat signs. But at every save point we've been missing the signature Determination.
The closest we get is at the end of Chapter 2, just before the fight against the queen, when "a certain power" is alluded to.
And that lack of Determination, would have made opening the fountain impossible for them, after all, Queen spent the whole game building Noelle's determination high enough to open a new fountain. A smidge of determination doesn't seem to cut it.
So how did Kris get the determination?
Through the good old power of Friendship. Through the trials with their new friends, Kris has gained determination, even without the soul inhabiting them. And even though that started as half a joke (only half), whilst writing this post and trying to find screencaps, for the next section, I realised it's actually more likely than I suspected.
And that brings me to everyone's new favourite:
Spamton. During his dialogue and initial boss fight he offers a deal, rewarding Kris with [[Hyperlink Blocked]] if they accept. As far as I'm aware you're forced to accept the deal. (If anyone else tolerated more than a few minutes of smashing no deal like I did and managed to get a different outcome, kudos to your perseverance.)
What is [[Hyperlink Blocked]]? Well I'm sure you can guess where I'm going with this. I believe it may well be Determination or something similar.
During the initial confrontation, Spamton refers to the players Soul as [[HeartShapedObject]].
But prior to the boss fight against Spamton NEO, he has no qualms about saying SOUL.
I've seen a lot of people theorising Spamton is being censored, and I agree that definitely seems to be the case. From a meta standpoint though I think it's interesting that the [[Hyperlink Blocked]] he mentioned so much in his first encounter doesn't seem to be mentioned at all, now the he has slightly more freedom of speech. I personally believe it's because revealing whatever Spamton was offering would have given too much away.
So how does this come back to the power of friendship? Well, upon defeating Spamton, whether through ACTing or beating the crap out of him, he realises the real treasure was the friends we made along the way.
He suggests that together, the three of them could "break their own strings"
Following the fight, there's a moment, where Susie notices that Kris is acting out of sorts. Whichever option you choose, it's obvious that Kris is shaken by the event, even going as far as to yell the answer if you let them admit how they're feeling.
The similarity to Kris's own situation, being puppeted by the player is a valid reason for the response. Whatever shook them did so with enough effect that the fear showed despite the players control. Either that, or Kris has something they didn't have, more control. More... Determination to overcome the soul.
That last part is reaching a little, which is saying something, given the amount of shaky evidence presented in this post, so I want to wrap this up mostly with something slightly unrelated, but still a Kris theory.
Why do they open the fountain?
There are a lot of theories, about being a pawn for Gaster, being an asshole, etc.
I'd like to think Kris is just a weird kid who's gotten caught up in a mess they don't really understand. They created a scenario where Susie would be forced to stay the night, and opened up a new dark world, that Susie, their friend, expressed a want for before they left the dark world.
A place where they could get away from their lives for a little while and have more adventures together. And I can understand the reasoning, opening a new fountain isn't bad, I mean, as long as they close it at the end, nobody gets hurt and they have more memories. Where's the harm in that? Right?
As much as Kris obviously wishes to be free of the soul's control, that very soul has helped them make real friends. It's taken them on adventures and well.
Somebody had to let it out before the morning.
So to summarise, the strongest power known to man is a group of lonely teenagers, if you run through a peaceful game murdering everything and then blame a video game character for the decision you made, I'll kick your ass, and I guess I'm a Kris stan now, oh god.
#deltarune#deltarune spoilers#kris deltarune#kris dreemurr#The amount of people I've seen jumping on this weird kid and calling them a murder makes me feel... uneasy#Kris sweetie I got your back#and I pray to Toby that he shows mercy and doesn't do you dirty
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This isn't publishing, but it is an example of something similar happening. Except, unlike the book example above, it doesn't involve a word for a cat which isn't part of a specific cat breed. It does involve something that is actually derogatory in America but isn't in Australia. Also, unlike the above example, international markets aren't relevant. At least in the first half of this post.
In Australia, there used to be a quiz show called Spicks and Specks (it might have come back, I don't know, I've only seen some of the 2005-2011 stuff). It was about music, named after a Bee Gees song, and hosted by a comedian who is also quite popular over here in the UK. Which is how I found out about the show.
At one point they decided to make an app so people could play the game at home. It was available only in the Australian market, but because 'spic' also happens to be an American derogatory term for a hispanic person, the App Store insisted on censoring the word, so apparently a load of Aussies went into the App Store, saw something called 'S ****s and Specks' and went '... Shits and Specks?'
IT WASN'T EVEN AVAILABLE IN NORTH AMERICA! It's not even available over here, it just made its way into a stand-up show (and also an episode of Ask Rhod Gilbert) because, as I mentioned earlier, the comedian who hosted it is popular over here.
If you're an American and you're sitting here having read this thinking 'Well, surely you'd have the same sort of issue with differences in word meaning in the UK and Australia', the answer is... Well, yes in a way.
In the very same stand up show, which was performed in London, there's a joke about two Australians of Maltese descent in Malta. The joke is prefaced with 'It uses a word which I know has a very different meaning here, and I know it's offensive over here.' That word is, in fact, also a derogatory term for people of a certain ethnicity. You want to know what happened?
The joke was told. People laughed. Because they understood where it was coming from, and that it had a different meaning to the one they were used to. And again, this was in front of a mostly British audience in London.
We are all separated by a common language. There are words in my English which are offensive in America. There are words in American English which are offensive over here, hence why there's a Mario game where in the US it says 'Turn this train spastic', but in the UK it says 'Turn this train erratic'. There are words in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, that are offensive to both of us. You've got to take context into consideration.
Also, if you're a publisher, and you don't recognise a word but 'it sounds a little like it could be a slur', just fuck off. I can understand asking for actual slurs to be changed for your specific market, but to get outraged over a word that means nothing in your English but refers to a cat in New Zealand and British English is just stupid. Get used to other versions of English existing.
Yet another good reminder that even other Anglosphere authors have to basically arm-wrestle US book editors to be allowed to retain any vestige of their own dialect and culture in their writing and this is why lots of people have Opinions about American...everything.
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Multiple people spoken about on these blogs have already stated publically that they've been harassed, by posting things about them for others to speculate intent, tone, etc do you maybe not think that that invites harassment and causes them to be a public spectacle? Whereas otherwise these people might've had some peace? Stick to pointing out scammers and actual threats to the community if this blog is so important, but when you allow posts that are supposedly good conversation through, you're having a conversation without the person who made the initial comment or post to then enter that conversation unless they come and look at the same places that again, they have stated have caused them to be harassed. This isnt in reference to one singular person, but in reference to mod eggs post and constant promises of not allowing harassment through when these blogs notoriously breed and encourage the harassment of others.
[Discussing this below under read more because my answer is big]
First off let me say, harassment of a player and discussion of a player's words/actions are not the same thing. What happened with with a certain user for example on the old blog WAS harassment, because quite frankly a chunk of the asks about them was "____ is annoying" or posts making fun of them, NOTHING that discussed anything site-related or discussed what they had said. Posts like "___ is so dumb" is just mean and contributes to bullying/harassment culture. BUT there were plenty of posts on the user that raised good points about some of the things they had said that were untrue, hurtful, or just plain strange- and that is not harassment.
What the blog encourages all comes down to their audience and their mods, and that is why I am trying my best to link posts to eachother, provide evidence or screenshots (If I can find it) and allow discussion. There have been posts where a person state one thing and other users comment and correct them because they were factually wrong. And that’s the audience helping the blog and community by stopping misinformation from spreading AND being believed. And I think it’s very healthy to have that for the site.
The very nature of this blog is to share your salt, thoughts, and feelings on the site and current things happening on the site. I do NOT censor names and I allow namedrops because I believe it is helpful to know who is saying what (usually) publicly.
For me, I personally found these blogs helpful because I quite frankly need a place to vent about the site and the direction it's going because staff shuts down any discussion that gets serious. As well as accusations- where they lock topics and force people to "report it" and "block the person" especially if they have something serious accused of them. For example, I do not feel comfortable being in the same place as the person who admitted to being a zoophile and having sexual relations with their dog. That would not AT ALL be allowed to be discussed on dappervolk- even though there's a plethora of evidence, so these kind of spaces allow users to also inform others without the fear of being censored or shut down.
If you truly believe that this blog does more harm than good you are free to block this blog, but I think it's great for people to anonymously voice their concerns, thoughts, and feelings without having to worry about serious consequence on site.
The only ask I have deleted thus far was single anonymous ask that said "<player name> is a greedy piece of shit". That's it. (other than the ones that asked me to delete them). Those kind of asks have no place here, but everything else is fair game.
I will never name-drop people who chat with me using the tumblr messaging app (i have chatted with a few people already regarding the blog) so if you have concerns or requests for the blog, feel free to reach out.
I have been namedropped on the previous blog before- over something extremely petty, and I KNOW how terrible it feels- I will try to not breed a place where harassment is alright, but I want to emphasize that discussion of a persons action or words is NOT harassment.
If you have any questions, feel free to drop an ask, comment on this post, or message me privately and I will answer it.
Please note these are only my thoughts on the matter.
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You've been shown a metric fuckton of evidence, but it's just never enough for you. What do you expect to happen when you keep making excuses for Nazis, splitting hairs in their favor and making ultimately meaningless distinctions in flavors of people who, however thickly veiled, support genocide or have ideas which directly lead to genocide in spite of all evidence that that may not be that great of an idea? At best you're a Chamberlain, at worst you're a Franco.
READ MY POSTS.
And if you are who I think you are, aren’t you violating that truce?
And let’s review the evidence you speak of that I’ve been given by these fine chaps this last week, shall we?
1: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
2: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
3: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
4: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
5: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
6: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
7: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
8: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
9: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
10: “YOU’RE LITERALLY A NAZI!”
Hmm... 7 is a little more persuasive than the other points, but I still have to say that counter evidence is stronger.
Oh, and something else...
*Leans in slowly, brow furrowing*
Shame and fie be upon you.
You people rob the words you use of their impact and their strength by your oversaturation and overuse.
The word ‘Nazi’ used to send a chill down people’s spine. It was a word associated with a monstrous regime who left a bloody mark on history. When it was used, it was used to describe members of a long-dead ideology or their pathetic skinhead contemporaries.
But these days, thanks to you and others like you, the word Nazi gets an eyeroll more often.
Before, the word ‘racist’ was used to describe people who hate other people based on their skin color.
Thanks to you and others like you, these days, it’s used to describe anyone who believes in border security, anyone who thinks everyone should be equal under the law and that black people should not get special treatment or anyone who you happen to disagree with on utterly unrelated things.
Transphobia? It doesn’t mean anyone who hates transsexual or transgendered people anymore. It means people who don’t want taxpayers to pay for transitional cosmetic surgery.
Homophobia? It doesn’t mean those loathsome few who actively hurt or harm homosexual people anymore. It means a business owner that is uncomfortable catering a same-sex wedding. (And yet, you people think a private company like Google should have the right to censor anyone they wish. That’s the thing about you and others like you that really pisses me off. The double-standards)
Islamophobia? Suddenly that sweet animal rights activist lady is called an Islamophobe AND A RACIST because she protests the objectively inhumane ‘Halal’ animal slaughter method.
You people are RUINING the lexicon because you can’t be bothered to get specific.
You are too fundamentally LAZY to debate intelligently and too thickheaded to admit when you’re wrong or at least disproved in a debate.
You can’t just say ‘I find it uncomfortable that you are asking me to empathize with members of one of the most bloody regimes in history. That is something I am unwilling to do.’
You can’t simply say ‘I concede that Islam’s animal slaughter method is inhumane. But they have a right to their religious expression.’
You can’t even say ‘I believe there is a difference between a business refusing to cater a same-sex wedding and a social media platform censoring certain members.’
No...
No, you just screech, name-call and caterwaul until you run out of either steam or patience, then move onto the next thing that catches your attention.
I’d be more than happy to debate based on factual basis, but when the oppositional argument consists of ‘Ur a Nazi cuz I say so’ you cannot HONESTLY expect that to constitute or initiate a meaningful exchange of ideas, do you?
You need to start facing some hard truths, ol’ chum.
You’ve been living on a spoonfed diet of bullshit and half-truths that were carefully designed to turn you into a disposable tool of those who seek to pull your strings.
Time to take out the scissors and free yourself.
You don’t have to agree with everything I say after you do, and frankly, I wouldn’t care to live in that kind of world anyway.
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wow. ok yea op's post is sexist & misogynist & just so bad. but also it is just wrong on so many other levels as well.
"you're excluding all the trans and nonbinary people who experience misogony". 🤨do u mean...male people? I mean yea presumably they wouldn't have to deal with misogyny unless if they pass as female (because female people are the targets of misogyny). I mean I suppose you could say that hatred towards feminine male people (they are not a total overlap with male trans people of course) is like an offshoot of misogyny bc it is hating them for being something that is culturally associated with female people? I guess but like that is a stretch.
"you're telling us that to have access to feminism and activist communities that we have to label ourselves women even if we don't." no, we aren't saying that. we are saying that woman refers to sex, not gender identity. YOU are the one who thinks that woman is some kind of opt-in gender category. stop projecting.
"if you use the word women to talk about body functions such as menstruation you're also excluding trans women who don't experience those things." So?? what is your point? there are plenty of female women who don't get periods either, such as menopausal women & those with certain medical conditions. I, personally, haven't had one since last July. That doesn't mean that the word woman cannot be used generally to refer to the class of people who can get periods, just because not all of us have periods...
"Please find alternative language when you aren't referring to yourself or specific people because it's really tiring being misgendered". damn this is selfish ngl. like just block some tags & accounts or something. it is fucked up to expect everyone else to censor themselves for your comfort. like damn I get having dysphoria but like that is mainly your responsibility tho.
"misogony" bruh u are on the internet, you can't figure out how to spell this? it doesn't even sound like that. like if u spelled it "misahguny" or something I would get it bc it sounds like that usually. but damn.
"Gender discrimination will never be simple enough to fit into a binary". uhm. it is called sexism for a reason. because it is sex-based discrimination. of female people. aka misogyny.
I need cis women to limit their use of the word "women" as much as possible tbh
When you make posts that use the word women/woman for people who experience misogony you're excluding all the trans and nonbinary people who experience misogony, you're telling us that to have access to feminism and activist communities that we have to label ourselves women even if we don't.
And then if you use the word women to talk about body functions such as menstruation you're also excluding trans women who don't experience those things.
Please find alternative language when you aren't referring to yourself or specific people because it's really tiring being misgendered because cis people won't think things through.
Every one who falls short of cis men experiences some level of gender discrimination based in misogony. Gender discrimination will never be simple enough to fit into a binary so you need to take that into account when you interact with gender related activism and justice.
(Cis people can reblog but no arguments please)
#i tried to reblog directly from op but it didn't work#im trying to reply to op here sorry#sexism#misogyny
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There is a LOT going on in this post, and it is very long, and I am going to try (and fail) not to make it too much longer. (TL;DR at the end)
OP, you make some good points about important issues such as:
what is, and isn't, reasonable behaviour re: asking people to tag things;
people who don't belong to a community, and have little experience with that community, taking it upon themselves to aggressively police certain behaviours in that community's name;
the stark black-and-white thinking of "either you meet my very specific criteria for Good Person, or you are a Bad Person".
However, I do think they are separate issues from the stated topic of "should you tag Goncharov, etc. as 'unreality'".
I also have a psychology degree (I'm about to have two); I do not study psychosis and am not psychotic. That said, I don't think that hashing out what is/isn't psychosis, or what psychological symptoms are/aren't associated with it, is really helpful or appropriate here.
What is appropriate for psychology academics, I think, is to discourage everyone from making authoritative pronouncements about mental illnesses and about disabilities when they do not have expertise in the relevant area—even if you are doing so in a well-meaning way! This includes posts like "if you do x you're autistic", and saying "you should tag this as y because it harms people with z mental illness".
The biggest problem with these is, a lot of misinformation about disabilities and mental illness gets spread this way, often by people who think they know what they're talking about and don't realise they were misinformed.
OP, if I understand you correctly, I think your main issue is in two parts:
people are associating "tag Goncharov as 'unreality'" with a specific set of mental illnesses in a way that may not correspond with the actual needs of people with those mental illnesses, and
people are using that association to enforce a particular behaviour aggressively and from an elevated moral position.
I agree with you on this point—this shouldn't be happening. I think it often happens because people want others to do a certain thing, and they don't think they will get it unless they give their request greater moral weight. We need to all be more okay with asking for things we want and accepting that we won't always get them.
However, I don't think we should necessarily discourage the practice of descriptively tagging posts even when we only think, but do not know for sure, that someone might need us to.
Anecdotally—the comment above mine being just one example—it does seem that tagging these posts "unreality" is desirable and helpful for some people.
Whether or not those people are experiencing psychosis, another mental illness, or some other issue, is not really the concern here.
I think it is reasonable to encourage one another to tag these posts this way, without associating the request with a specific medical issue or moral obligation.
(Frankly, I think descriptive tagging benefits everyone—q.v. the posts going around reminding everyone not to censor words, because it makes it harder to hide triggering content on the user end. Helping people curate their own consumption of social media is, on balance, good, I think. It just shouldn't be aggressively enforced from an elevated moral position. It should be elective behaviour.)
OP, I believe your intentions are good and motivated both by a sense of community responsibility and your own experiences. I unfortunately think you undermine your point somewhat by using the same tactics you're criticising when you say "if you really care about psychotic people, you'll [do this, not this]" and arguing that the behaviour you dislike is what's actually harmful because [hypothetical scenario]. The fact that one can rhetorically make the case for either practice being "what's actually harmful" just underlines how unproductive it is to frame the issue this way.
TL;DR — This is really two separate issues: "should Goncharov posts be tagged 'unreality'" and "should that be encouraged specifically on behalf of psychotic people." My opinion: We can do the most potential good, and best avoid any secondary negative effects, if we simply do the former and avoid the latter.
i kind of see “tag your goncharov as unreality” as ye olden “tag your pomegranates” phenomenon. this kind of absurd demand that catches on by other well-meaning oblivious people and suddenly every meme du jour post has “tag as unreality” a hundred times in the notes.
and normally i don’t get involved in stuff like this but it’s really an example of the way totally banal, illogical rhetoric can sweep through this site simply on people thinking they’re Doing the Right Thing. after all, how hard is it to tag your meme post with something so that some random tumblr user in the throes of unmedicated psychosis doesn’t go off the deep end? then i saw someone demand that people tag unreality because “it hurts people with dilutions” and decided maybe i should say something. if you can’t even spell delusions there’s no way you know what they actually are.
i have a degree in psychology, i’ve studied psychosis pretty extensively, and i myself am psychotic. when unmedicated, i’m as untethered from reality as a person can be. and i simply cannot wrap my head around the exact psychotic situation that would lead someone into a tailspin over a movie that doesn’t exist. and so i thought, well, maybe it’s a ptsd thing having to do with being gaslit, but i’ve got ptsd too, and i’ve done plenty of research on that as well, and i still don’t buy it.
psychotic delusions aren’t always but are largely persecutory. you develop complicated beliefs repeatedly confirmed by “evidence” you see in your day to day life. sure, you can be having a psychotic episode and see a goncharov post and it can feed into the pile of evidence you’re building that something somewhere has chosen you for whatever, or is condemning you for whatever, but no more than any other meme or piece of fiction. delusions can often have patterns but they’re unique to each individual and built from things that the psychotic person in question connects like constellations. you, nonpsychotic well-meaning tumblr user, cannot help by tagging appropriately. you can help by checking in on your psychotic friends and being there for them, because a psychotic episode is a very lonely place, and recovering from one takes a lot of support and encouragement.
i really don’t think a psychotic person, even mid-episode, would have any worse reaction to goncharov than they would the notion of fiction in general, in which case everyone on this entire site should tag every gifset from every television show “unreality.” just because goncharov is a fiction of a fiction doesn’t suddenly make it appallingly dangerous for we untethered folk.
it’s possible my college education, years of research, and lifetime of personal experience has missed some very specific kind of delusion i’ve just never heard about that happens to be prominent on this website. it’s possible that when people say psychosis and delusions, they’re using those words incorrectly and are referring to some other mental health problem i’m not as familiar with. by all means if someone who knows more about delusions than i do wants to step up and explain to me why it’s imperative that every goncharov post be tagged as unreality, i will sit down and listen and learn. but until that happens, this is indicative of a much worse problem of social policing by a community of people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
i’ve taken graduate seminars on disability theory, have written papers on disability theory, and am deeply aware of ableism on the internet and in day to day life. and sometimes i think what’s more ableist than not tagging a post something that would help X population “curate their experience” is insisting that everyone Good and Kind be totally aware of every possible negative experience a person can have on this website, and cater to them always.
that’s the fabric of a delusion. that’s the persecution that can untether someone. let’s say you write a goncharov post and it gets a hundred thousand notes, and ten thousand of them are saying “how DARE you not tag this as unreality.” you are pointing your finger at an OP and accusing them of profound moral error in the name of inclusion of an experience you maybe are totally unfamiliar with. and if OP is psychotic or pre-psychotic or has ptsd or bpd or autism, that’s the shit that’s triggering. that’s the world telling you, “you’re bad and you deserve bad things happening to you.” that is how delusions are made.
the fear of posting or speaking because you haven’t considered every possible angle of how it might be seen is what silences people with mental health problems. the people who are most hurt by this behavior aren’t the ones saying “i struggle with reality! tag your posts so i can avoid them!” they’re the ones who want to participate in a fun meme but are afraid to. they’re the ones who were dogpiled a long time ago and learned their lesson and now never say anything at all. they’re the ones convinced that if they do something wrong on the internet, a ton of people will be hurt by it and it’ll be all their fault, everyone hates them, everyone’s against them, they’re special because they alone are the Worst, they alone have been chosen to suffer, everyone is working together to hurt them, the government is out to hurt them, the government is controlled by a celestial being who is targeting them…
do you see now?
so if you really care about psychotic people, you’ll stop looking at how other people tag their posts and start looking at the way you’re policing people for not conforming to a practice built on shame and false righteousness.
#TL;DR: tagging = good; mental health misinformation = bad; elective helpful behaviour = good; aggressive enforcement of behaviour = bad#for the record while I disagree with the majority of what OP is saying here I don't think it's a bad conversation to be having#I have complex opinions about tagging and content advisories etc. and I hashed those out by having these exact conversations
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