#the more she loved minnie the harder that choice was. and she chose clementine
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spacedlexi · 8 months ago
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so often i see people try to downplay violet and minervas relationship like it wasnt Real enough or was some Inferior Romance that her relationship with clementine could Never compare to, and i find it so annoying and boring
she LOVED minerva!! and its okay that she did!! she was her first love!! childhood best friends turned girlfriends!! seeing her being so heartbroken and miserable about what happened to minnie, how deeply and desperately she missed her, hugging that bed frame so pathetically. but clementine makes her CARE again. makes her LOVE again. slowly violet becomes comfortable with the idea of opening her heart up to people again, after trying so hard not to because the pain of losing people she cared about was too much to bear (especially when she blamed herself for them being gone)
then she learns minnie didnt die. shes falling in love with clem while grappling with the fact that minnie might still be out there??
then she meets minnie in the woods. but minnie has changed just like she has. theyre both different people now. and slowly violet is forced to come to terms with the fact that the person she loved so deeply isnt that person anymore??
violet at the beginning mourning minerva and blaming herself, to shooting her to save clems life. she LOVED minerva once, but she doesnt like the person she is now. and shes not gonna let her hurt anyone else she cares about. shes done mourning her by the time they get to the bridge, only crying out for tenn
like idk i just find their relationship evolution to be so interesting and sad as shit. the fact that they once loved each other so much and it has now come to this?? but violet makes her choice and she Chooses clementine, because she admires and loves clementine, probably similar to the way she used to admire and love minerva if the way she talked about her is any indication
i just think "i never thought i would ever feel this way again" is way more interesting than "wow minnie Never made me feel like This"
#violet makes minnie a stronger character literally Just by being there#the way vi and minnie and clem all bounce off each other is so fucking good#CLEM SLEEPING IN MINNIES BED IS NOT AN ACCIDENT#clem has essentially replaced her. and minnie is seething about it. because she wanted them all to follow her to the delta#but instead theyre following clementine. who she sees as a threat to their lives. when in reality the real threat is her and the delta#now its minnie who is sad and lost and doesnt know how to grapple with it#instead doing what she can to save herself. even if it means hurting the people she cares about#and violet HATES THAT!! and shes willing to fight to save the people she loves#even if it means hurting someone she used to care about more than anything#she places that shot so perfectly. she doesnt WANT to hurt minnie. but she wasnt gonna let her hurt clementine either#she may have loved minnie once. partially blames herself for what happened to her. but theyre both different now. and she loves clementine#LIKE IDK that evolution is just so good and makes the clemvi romance even more strong??? violet knows Exactly what and who she wants#so by downplaying the vinerva romance it inherently makes her choice to choose clem weaker??#the more she loved minnie the harder that choice was. and she chose clementine#anyway this is why the clem vi minnie boat fight makes me bark like a wild beast#either i see people try to downplay her love for minerva OR they overhype it and act like she never got over her#when her getting over minnie is the whole point!! taken vi trusted her bc she LIED to her about sophie!! and clem broke her trust#god shes so heartbroken and confused in that cell get her out of there!!!!! vi i'll save you every time!!!!!!#thinking about clemviminnie instead of working what else is new#twdg#violentine#vinerva
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gciltyascharged · 5 years ago
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@savedpeople​ said: 4. Name one thing you don’t like about your character. 5. Name one thing you love about your character. 9. If there is one thing you can change regarding your character’s world, what would it be?
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4 //  Definitely his irrational moments of anger that come out to play during circumstances that don’t require it. I mean, that whole jump in and SEE WHAT I MEAN?! HOW CAN ANY OF US TRUST THESE FUCKING PEOPLE?! when AJ said he was in the wrong for his actions just felt like a line that he was planning to shoot out whether or not the situation called for it ; he just has FOOT IN MOUTH syndrome hardcore and it kills me. There were moments where I was just putting my head in my hands about him, but even if I don’t like it, it still makes Mitch himself.  5 // I definitely love his devotion to protection. It completely foils Marlon’s actions from the previous episode where Marlon was willing to wave a gun at his own people and push them around, Mitch was willing to throw himself at the dangers that threatened the people he cared about. While he may not have expected to die, he still was willing to risk it all to protect Tenn and the others when the option to fall back became skewed by the fact Tenn was stuck out in the open and was physically unable to move via fear or shock. 9 // Honestly, this might not be applicable, but I think that I would change some of the choices that the creators were going with in the game. The way they handled the whole greenhouse scene will never be anything short of infuriating to me, personally? If they wanted to go through the route of having Clem choose between Mitch and Ruby’s situations, then the process they took with it was poorly done ; it didn’t give you a chance to really express some kind of problem/issue. 99% of people went with Ruby. Why? Because her case was presented with extreme sympathies, with extreme motivations, with extreme choices, with extreme moralities ; there wasn’t even a chance to really feel anything toward Mitch’s situation. 
Every single playthrough of it went straight with the Ruby choice. If they wanted someone to feel a connection to Mitch, then where’s the reason? Sure, some people could feel like he had a bigger voice in Clem staying, but it was clear that both he and Ruby had negative views on Clem and AJ prior to them being kicked out ; if they wanted that to be a choice or route for Clem to take, then there was ZERO incentive toward Mitch’s side. Even in the 3rd season, there was reason you’d feel some reason to take on David’s split paths: he’s family, he’s in a harsh community, he’s actually got morals you understand, you see him as someone worth trusting ; hell, even when you could bury Mariana or go with Clementine, there was more of a moment of pause. Why? Because you know Clementine as the player ; you feel this need to be with her to see her story because you genuinely care for this character.
With Mitch? All players saw was him throwing an unnecessary tantrum over Ruby’s choice. For that, the choice to choose his route felt so...drab. Yeah, you’d rather bury Ms. Martin. Had Ms. Martin been someone who hurt Mitch personally, then I could see people being like: oh, yeah, she wasn’t as magical as Ruby thinks ; if they had Mitch swaying the vote in a better light, then I could see the choice being a good idea ; I mean even the fact that they took out Ruby being negative toward Clem in one scene really just made it clear that they wanted people to choose Ruby. 
I love Mitch to pieces as a character, but even I can’t say I had any fuss over choosing to bury Ms. Martin ; he had NOTHING going for his argument at all. They just chucked out any reasonable reaction to that except that he didn’t see walkers/death in the same light as Ruby. I mean, seriously, half the comments said: I chose to bury Ms. Martin because “what if it was Lee.” There just wasn’t...ANYTHING noteworthy there to make it morally worth your time. All the player sees is: Ruby is horribly sad, Ruby getting visibly upset, Ruby being weepy, Mitch being unreasonable, Mitch being harsh, Mitch throwing a tantrum, and Ms. Martin as a saintly figure. 
Seriously, even the viewpoints of how Clem sees walkers can be EXACTLY based on how Mitch felt about Ms. Martin inside the greenhouse with James and his ideas of “walkers were human once,” but even if you, Clem, or anyone else didn’t feel the same as James, there was that moral moment where you felt obligated to because YOU NEEDED HIM TO HELP YOU TO RESCUE PEOPLE ON THE BOAT. With Mitch? What’s the point in doing what he asked? By the time you’re there, the game already says you’re going to have the wall in your room again for your collectibles, so you know you’re not being shoved out, you know Ruby feels sympathy for you and wants to be your friend again, and you just see Mitch’s actions as this shining beacon of jackass.
Even killing Lilly was harder for the player because: they don’t want AJ to be a killer, they want AJ to be morally righteous, but they also see what kind of a monster Lilly is (ie killing Mitch, telling her people to kill who they had to, cutting out Louis’s tongue, cutting off one of their fingers, shoving the fact that Minnie killed her sister right up into everyone’s faces like it’s casual chatter, literally not giving a shit that Dorian got her ear BITTEN off, etc.).
Mitch’s moment had zero incentive. While GREAT for showing us his viewpoints and his character in regard to opinions on walkers, it just wasn’t worthy of having the choice there. Why bother? You might as well have had them argue and Clem just say: let’s bury her. 
I’m not saying Ruby didn’t have a right to her decision ; I’m saying that the scene should have been played out in a way that gave the player more reason to consider Mitch’s side if they were doing choices. I don’t want people to flip flop their views to 100% Mitch’s side, but I’d have at least liked to see just...a reason to consider Mitch.
I’ll never NOT dislike that scene and how it was played out.
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