#the general public is talking about them on twitter i feel like theres a bunch of strangers in my house eating my food

[macdenlover]

feeling so nauseous thinking about how the crossover means all these strangers perceiving my little evil middle aged babies from my niche indie underground longest running live action legacy sitcom

[beepboop358]

hey! i know theres been a lot of discussion of the leaks on twitter lately, and i ended up seeing another. they claimed that Mike tells El he loves her. I’ve tried to avoid leaks in case they’re true so i don’t get spoiled, but i’ve seen so many unintentionally at this point anyways 😭. i’m not sure whether i believe the leak or not. for reference, i ship byler. idk if mike would say it like in front of a bunch of people so he kinda tries to impress them? or if its more private. or if it even happens at all. i do think mike loves el, but not romantically, so maybe it’s something like that and was twisted by the leakers. what are your thoughts? have a great day :)))) - anon

hey anon!

I actually don't follow this twitter account so I don't really keep up with everything they post so I wasn't aware of this. As my general rule of thumb, I don't believe "leaks" that aren't provided with proof when they are posted, and we need to critically think about if the spoiler even has any possible truth to it, like if it fits with canon and the evidence in the show, because ultimately that is the most important clues we could get. I did venture over to twitter to see this one, and no proof was given. I understand this account supposedly gets tips that are sent in that they post, but we haven't seen any proof this claim is real, so I have no reason to believe it is objectively true. No proof or source or anything real was given. We shouldn't jump to any conclusions or blindly assume it must be true, but wait for it to be proved/disproved when the season comes out.

Personally, I don't believe this "leak". It seems very out of character for Mike. Let's think about it for a second. Mike couldn't tell Eleven he loves her in the blank makes you crazy scene, he actually expresses a lot of compulsive heterosexuality in that scene, and when he says it in the cabin, he looks regretful once El walks out, and ofc he doesn't want her to die looking for the flayed and he doesn't want to lose her again, because then he would feel guilt over her death AGAIN like he did in season 1 because she "died" trying to save everyone else. And when Eleven says she loves Mike at the end of season 3, he doesn't respond, his eyes are open when they kiss, and only Mike stands in front of an open closet, while El holds Will's teddy bear in between them. He has never said he loves her to her face, and he has never been able to, because he doesn't love her like that. Throughout those scenes we get some very obvious queer-coding that essentially debunks the supposed romance in those scenes.Understanding how these scenes were written tells us we are not going in a romantic direction with Mike and El in the coming seasons, so this "leak" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And let's not forget, these scenes where Mike tries to tell her he loves her, or El does tell him she loves him, were all relatively private. It's just mike & El in these scenes, or the party and them. Extras are not present and these scenes did not take place in crowded public spaces. I only mention this because I know this account has claimed they get their tips from extras sometimes, which makes me all the more distrusfull of this specific leak. It would be extremely out of character for Mike to EVER tell Eleven he loves her in a public crowded space where extras can hear or see. Scenes with extras are filmed all at once, so they wouldn't be on set when the scenes with extras are not being filmed, therefore there is no way they could have overhears/seen this scene when it was happening, ESPECIALLY with the amped covid protocols this season. The cast have talked about how strict protocols were when filming, and that they weren't even allowed to hug when they weren't filming and they were just hanging out, and Maya Hawke even said her brother was not allowed to come to set as just a pedestrian, so he had to apply to be an extra if he wanted to visit her at work, because they weren't allowing any non-essential persons to be on set.

So all of that leads me to think this "leak" is just not true and is just someone claiming it is true, when it's not. The account that posted this "leak", didn't even say a source it was from, like that they got it from the extras or anything. And as I have said in other posts, it is much less likely for crew members to leak because of those NDA's I previously went into detail about, although it does happen but when it does those leaks tend to be much more detailed and specific, and really do fit with canon, and they usually leave ships out of those leaks altogether.

But let's entertain the idea that this "leak" is true and it got twisted by the leakers, like you mentioned it could have anon. Mike does love El, just not romantically. I definitely agree with you on that! It may not necessarily be a romantic thing....I think it is very likely we may see a scene where Mike and El get some real closure on their relationship, and not just the teenage drama that will also come with it. This "leak" could be Mike telling El he loves her, but as a friend. Maybe something along the lines how he loves her, but not like that, or how he is supposed to. I think a scene like this would be wonderful for Mike's development and his storyline and it could also work to be how Eleven finds out Mike is gay, because she will have to know at some point. I would honestly be really happy to see a heart to heart between Mike and El like this!

Thanks for the ask! I hope you doing good and have a great day too! :)) <3

[heartsoftruth]

1/Hi, I apologize in advance for this long message but I just wanted to ask you if you had ever received insults or criticisms or even guys who harassed you because you're a girl who loves football? I'm asking you this because I live this constantly. Yesterday when Barça won the CDR I was so happy so I shared my joy on my social media and I commented on some FB publications related to the match and the majority of ppl on these pages are men so I have only received insults degrading messages.

Anonymous said:2/I was told to go back to the kitchen, that I should go back to clean, that I loved Barça only for cute players or that I probably didn’t know anything about football and was probably repeating what men around me were saying to look smart,.. I will not tell you everything they told me but it was really degrading and mean, I absolutely did not say anything bad, there were comments from guys who writed bullshit on the post but no one answered them but under mine there was like 100 replies.

Anonymous said:3/And I just wrote “I’m so happy and sad at the same time, I will miss Andres so much, it will not be the same without him..” On my other comments also I received insults like "Come suck my c*ck, you will be more useful” “oh a girl trying to make herself interesting by loving football” “shut your mouth bitch it’s a page for men here, go back to cook” And all that just because I’m a girl, if it had been a man who had commented the same thing they would have agreed with him.

Anonymous said:4/It’s unbelievable that a woman can’t love football as much as a man do without being looked at or asked to justify why she really loves football because if a girl likes football it’s surely because she’s in love with the players or wants to fuck with them or that she invents it to have the attention of men, because it is impossible that a woman can really love or understand football, so when it happens I have to justify myself so that they are convinced that I really like this sport..Anonymous said:5/It’s sad that in 2018 for a lot of ppl women = cooking, doing housework, pleasing men and keep quiet. Usually I avoid going into the football debates of my male friends or those of my family because they automatically make fun of me and my opinion is irrelevant. So if you have a vagina your brain is too stupid to understand football and enjoy it? I’m tired of having to hide my passion for football because I risk being insulted. It’s sad because I know I’m not the only one who suffers this..

Anonymous said:6/I discovered football when I was a child, I quickly became a big fan, I even played it many years but growing up my dad start laughing at me and telling me that I should be more interested in girls stuff and he asked me which player I was as much in love to continue to love football like that and the men around me told me that women’s football was not real football so I should stop playing it, my mother also agreed that I should stop because she was afraid that her daughter become a tomboy.

Anonymous said:7/I was stupid enough to believe theses bullshit and I stopped playing at my club. Yes I am feminine in general, I also like makeup, dresses, shoes and stuff like that but sometimes I like to wear my Barça jersey or football outfits too and when I walk in the street with it I get glances, guys who come to talk to me or say that I’m ridiculous with my jersey, one day 2 guys even come to ask me questions on the club to see if I really know about Barça and that it’s not just to get attention..

Anonymous said:8/It’s tiring and exhausting, I’d like to love this sport without suffering all that, what’s the deal with that, it’s a sport among many, why it’s impossible to let a girl enjoy this sport without belittling her? Why is it so difficult for men to believe that we really love this sport too without necessarily wanting to fuck with players? I’m tired, it’s getting depressing and with all the insults I received yesterday I feel like I’m going to be crazy, I really wanted to cry because of my anger..

Anonymous said:9/If you or the followers of your blog undergo this too, can you tell me how you do to support it or to finish with that please? And if there are guys who follow your blog I’d like them to explain to me, if they do these things, just why ? Why a woman who loves football should deserve so much hate and criticism and why it’s as difficult for guys to accept that women can love football too? I’m really sorry again for this long message but I’m really fed up.. 😫

Heey girlie!! OMG dont apologize for the long message! I feel like you needed to vent a little and then it’s 100% better to just write it all down instead of keeping it in. and DAMN you had all the reasons to vent, because what those neanderthals wrote to you MAKES MY BLOOD BOILLLLLLLLL FUUUUUUCK!!!

BOOOOOILLLLLL!!!! 

Im gonna reply to the parts in parts because otherwise the answer will be an unstructured mess. 

½/3: I dont even know where to start with my first off all comment with this ask! But pffff. It;s so so soooo sad that in 2018 people like that put comments under just a very normal and very correct post. It’s also really sad because probably right now you will think twice before commenting something under a footy Facebook thing. 

AND PLEAAAAASEE! Let me know what kind of FB page that is? I am literally fuming and almost on the verge of making a Twitter account for my Tumblr page to post it on here. It’s not fucking normal that when a girl says something about football guys talk like that. It’s not and it’s not ok. 100 replies under your comment? And all like that?? Pfff. Damn. FUMINGGGGG. 

I can understand you feel bad about it bc of all these people jumping on some kind of bandwagon behind their PC’s. Insecure bunch of dicks! 

4/5: Indeed we women have to know WAAAY more about football then men, because if we dont then we’re not serious about it or only watch it for the guys. “YESSSSS!!! THATS TOTALLY TRUE!!!! I watch 90+ minutes of football just for a few close-ups of the football players I like!!!11!1 Makes total sense” said no women who watches football ever. 

6/7/8/9: aaawhh… That is so sad… :( I can’t imagine how that must have felt as a child to be doing something you love but your parents make it out to be as if it was wrong. Not every girl likes pink and barbies just like not every guy likes blue and cars/football. Indeed I also love make up and getting dressed up etc etc. But I also love sitting in a cafe and watching football with a beer or something haha. 

I never wear a football shirt on the streets - unless im going to a match or watch in a cafe - today was the first time actually in my yellow PSG shirt haha. But no one said anything to me (other than a few hey girl). But it’s sad we have to prove something to these idiots… 

I think we’ve sadly all have had an experience like that. When I was younger and asked my friend at her party (or whatever it was) to see the football score a guy was like “what??? You dont watch it? Well then explain to me what off side is?!” That was the first time some guy asked me it and I did do it, but when someone would ask me it now I said: “You would ask a guy that too who says he watches football? Nope huh? So I won’t show you either!”

In Paris also on the way to the hotel the Uber driver was talking etc etc. And we spoke about football and I said how excited I am to finally see Neymar and hope he’s not injured anymore (because at the time he was stil injured and unclear if he would play) and all that blabla. And in one moment he said (in a joking way) oh you’re only here to see Neymar other than that you dont watch it. And I gave him a reality check real quick. My friend wanted to interfere and talk over it and I was like no no noooo. Lemme say my peace. 

Or at work people know I also love Neymar and then one new colleague thought it was funny (and maybe cool in front of the other guys) to say I only watch football for Neymar. And I gave him a reality check too. 

I used to bite my tongue when it came to that, but nowadays I’m like nope. I dont watch so much football for some insecure dick to be talking like that to me. 

But theres also many guys who you can just have a normal convo with about football. Like yesterday I had one with a guy I didn’t know and he was so chill. Or when I’m in the bar watching you also have guys normally coming up like are you also this nervous etc etc. During the Euro’s too. Met many friendly people who just spoke to us about football. Ok and s

What I also think is one of the problem is because many girls indeed just wear a shirt because it looks cute (which they of course can), but it makes it more difficult for us to be taken serious. Especially with tournaments like the Euros and WC many just watch football bc it’s fun with everyone in a cafe but they have no idea what they’re watching. And end up only confirming some of the thoughts by these neathertals. 

Can I ask you where you’re from btw?And please do tell which bs ass fb page you posted this one. I would be a good thing to create all these accounts to back you up or something. 

And indeed I’m curious too how other followers react to stupid comments like that?

And keep watching the sport you love girl! I know its tough at times being doubted to often for just watching something you like but lets hope that someday no one will question why we watch the sport we love.