#st4 theory

[stranger-theory]

thanks to thiiiiis post for reminding me, im gonna rant about gay people :)

When you genuinely think about the Pizza Place Talk through a metaphorical sense, its so fucking queer coded.

Mike is shown fruit on pizza. Mike reaches the conclusion that fruit on pizza is wrong and he is uncomfortable with it because "fruit on pizza is blasphemous" (this being a word used to describe something that disrespects anything holy or relating to god). Mike is told he needs to try it to actually form an opinion rather than immediately disliking something because it's not normally "okay" to like. Mike tries fruit on pizza. He finally agrees that fruit on pizza is okay, good, safe and the right choice for him.

I think what makes this scene even better is that Mike and El's talk about their relationship was immediately interrupted by this scene. I also think El being encouraging about this, even going as far as shoving the pizza in his mouth😭, is an indicator that she'll be part of Mikes self discovery journey. I really need ElMike to heal my soul, please and thank you Duffers.

[itswhatyougive]

Something that's been bothering me is a small detail in ST4 set design, specifically Eddie's trailer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the only place I remember seeing prominently displayed laundry baskets full of dirty clothes, both in the Right Side Up and Upside Down versions of the trailer.

I keep thinking back to Eddie's pointed comment to Jason Carver in the very first episode of S4, about basketball being a game where you "toss balls into laundry baskets". They drove that line home even further by having Dustin repeat it back to Eddie at the cafeteria table.

It's giving me this nagging feeling that Jason and Eddie have more history than we're led to think.

Eddie said it with such bitterness and anger, loud enough that he wanted Jason to take the bait, which he did.

The latest chapters of Hellfire in ST Puzzle Tales also reinforce the fact that Eddie is very very touchy about basketball and the basketball team. He calls it "gross" and he doesn't even want to see Lucas wearing his basketball jacket. It seems oddly "personal", this chip on his shoulder about basketball and Jason.

Do they have some kind of shared history? Is it meant literally, do the laundry baskets have some kind of significance? The Upside Down version of the trailer is stuck in 1983, is it possible three years ago or more Jason used to come over there for some reason? Or is it a figurative thing?

Part of me thinks that new Eddie Munson book that's coming out will have something about Jason in it. Flight of Icarus is set in 1984, so possibly after whatever history he and Jason had. Eddie would be a senior (first time) at Hawkins High School and Jason would've been a sophomore.

[stevesbanana]

Stranger Things Incorrect Quotes:

Billy: “We are not gonna cry over a guy that doesn’t know what y=mx+b means”

Y/n: “Do you?”

Billy: “This isn’t about me.”

[nadia-zahra]

So getting drunk while watching stranger things actually just leads to me going into full conspiracist mode and thinking EVERYTHING means smth and taking over 200 “evidence” pictures from literally only the first couple of episodes from st4 🥸

Out of all my pics I think this shiz is the most interesting:

First things first this feels a lil on the nose for stranger things. Like "expression necessary to evolution" feels like they're saying "expressing our true selves leads to acceptance and change for the better because being normal sucks ass"

The bball game may actually be st5 final battle foreshadowing along with the dnd game cause wtf is up with these numbers... like we get 20 (which from the dnd game is the winning number but from this game its a stepping stool which is v interesting), we get 11 decked out in red, and Jason and Lucas have a difference of 4 (that's revelevant cause we've seen MULTIPLE time byler and eleven have numbers surouding them have a difference of four).

Oh and this might actually be smth or just miscommunication between costumes and props...but I'm pretty sure Patrick is called #13 when he's actually #23...there's literally not a #13 on the team

The phone number murray was saying is def not what’s on the paper

The clock behind Max is literally wrong like why does it skip over 5?! Why is the 4 red?!

Speaking of Max... why all the mf butterflies surrounding her?!?!?

Guy who is #20 on team is decked out in yellow, Lucas is wearing blue, and Jason looks like Henry while framed between them and watching from afar…mmmm byler senses are tingling.....

Creepy red smiley faces that are just super clear in shots for no reason

the shot of brenner's finished cross word puzzle plus the horoscopes feels important

btw wtf was up with brenner's notes... like is that a compass or a clock in the corner of his notes??

last… THE EYES (all of them are either in green lighting or have green in them which makes this creepier)

[byler-alarmist]

Yeah, if we ever see Hawkins high school ever again, i'm gonna need the principal to explain to me why the colors of the school are green and orange 💚🧡

What do you think is the significance, anon? I hadn't spent too much time thinking about it, to be honest. Green could be Byler endgame I guess because blue and yellow, but what's orange? Red and yellow? Dare I say.....Elmax 👀👀 lol j/k. Unless....?

I love the "freshmen love their tigers" thing. It was soooo unnecessary for them to include as a sign, and then they made sure to have all the tiger imagery around Will.

[bubblegumteeastuff]

Let's say that the idea of ​​reappearing is not very good for me, why? I don't know, but hey! here we are back!!

—BGTSTUFF* ˚ ✦

[miaisagirllover]

remeber that pre st4 theory that billy was vecna

yea that was crazy as hell like yall couldn’t accept he died💀

[bubblegumteeastuff]

A year since byler give us their second love fight, and one of THE best romantic moment of season four, and all that theory's about blue & yellow, besides to all the evidence make obvious all that we We already know from season two from the "crazy together" to Mike apologizing to Will three times in season three and obviously in season four the rink or mania fight, next to Will's painting in the van with Jonathan Realizing that Will is not talking about Eleven, he talks about him in what seems like the declaration of love of the season, and unfortunately season five will arrive very late because of the WGA and recently the actors' strike in Hollywood and Stranger Things 5 will be streaming in 2025...

The question for us is should I stay or should I go

current mood:

[myname1sca1]

When Finn Wolfhard's nervous lying tell (pursing his lips) shows in his acting

[stranger-theory]

"It's Been a Year, Mike"

Okay so like Joyce tells something along the lines of "I thought I lost you for eight months" to Hop when they talk again in s4, right? That's already enough proof that Byler are being dramatic when they say a year had gone by. HOWEVER☝️, after the day Hop "died", literally two months went by until the Byers actually left Hawkins. THATS SIX MONTHS. Mike and Will are so fucking dramatic and it shows. But I also wish to pose some meh theories off of this.

So the Duffers are obviously aware of their timeline, like no shit, but this does bring me back to all those theories about how time is weird or possibly being tampered with. I'm gonna throw some crazy accusations out there without much backing, but they're just possibilities, I'm aware they may very well not happen.

1. Vecna's messing with the time to make the "betrayal" feel worse. Maybe he got into their heads and made it genuinely feel like a year. He has a special connection with Will, and Mike was literally just in Hawkins, he could've.

2. They were actually referring to more than just the Byers move. Maybe by "year" they were talking about the general disconnect that'd been happening with them for a bit of time, starting before they even moved to california.

3. To show that it's not one sided. Will is being a dramatic gay about the whole thing because his feelings are hurt; usually when something hurts so much, you kinda throw out any actual reasoning or exaggerate events. We know Will is doing this because he's in love with Mike and has known him for literally ten years, I'd be upset if that guy ignored me, too. But Michael on the other hand..

[stevesbanana]

So I finally got my mom to watch the last two episodes of season four of Stranger Things…

*Max in a coma*

*Me balling*

My mom: “so, any theories”

Me: *sniffle* “The duffer bros released the title of the first episode of season five, it’s called the crawl. I think it’s referring to vecna crawling away. Wishful thinking would be it’s Eddie.”

My mom: “what if vecna is in max”

Me:🥲⁉️

[bubblegumteeastuff]

Is BYLER PROOF

Mike thinking he lost / he’s losing Will

[fairyrona]

SO

We know that Should I Stay or Should I Go is a choice that Will will have to make in s5.

But I think we've already been given as an answer to that question.

Season 5. Chapter 1. Scene 1. The first song we hear?

Should I stay or should I go?

Season 4. The first song we hear?

The preacher knows I'm gonna stay.

The more interesting part is that,

If I go, there will be trouble / and if I stay it will be double.

Presuming that Vecna will be slowly eating away at Will, and that Will is aware of it happening? Staying might not be the good thing we're hoping it is.

Going and separating himself from the rest; denying Vecna the occasion to use him as a spy would be worse, but staying and risking a repeat of s2 is also bad.

I'm guessing it's actually gonna cause a lot of trouble.

And I love that for us.

[byler-alarmist]

No fr they are so sick if that's actually Troy on the basketball team. But it would explain SO MUCH

[bubblegumteeastuff]

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[stranger-theory]

GUYS WHY ISNT THIS MORE TALKED ABOUT

Outside The Wall: What Would El Have Seen If She’d Gone Through The Tunnel During NINA?

So, I was rewatching the tunnel scene during NINA, and something hit me- what would El have seen if she had gone through the tunnel during NINA?

Sure, IRL/in 1979, if she’d actually gone through the tunnel, she wouldve seen the forest outside of the lab/the rest of Hawkins etc etc.

But what about within NINA? What if NINA El had gone through that tunnel? What would be on the other side? Does NINA simulate anything beyond the lab? Would it have just been an empty void? Would El have gone into another part of her own mind like how she goes through various parts of Max’s mind later on in S4? Would El have ended up in Henward’s mind like how Max found a backdoor into Vecna’s mind and what I’ve talked about with a.) Henward being sentient and present during NINA/hooked up in a NINA tank and b.) this post that I made re: a “backdoor” into Vecna’s mind and how a “backdoor” is a coding term, which would tie into NINA’s computer programming.

And this also makes me think of Pink Floyd’s The Wall & all of the references to The Wall in ST, versus the white bricks in HNL during NINA resembling the white bricks from The Wall, versus the direct reference to The Wall right after that tunnel scene:

Versus the song “Outside The Wall” from The Wall, which is about the idea of breaking the cycle (staring at El’s literal cycle in the beginning of NINA where she’s stuck in a loop/cycling through all those doors that lead to the rainbow room), also how all it takes to break that cycle is a change in perspective- to break down the wall/ specifically to get outside the wall/out to the other side of the wall, which is exactly what El would have done if she’d gone through that tunnel.

Would El getting outside of HNL have ended a time loop? Would it have ended the simulation entirely?

What would El have seen outside the walls of HNL if she’d gotten out during NINA?

I wonder if she would’ve gotten a literal change in perspective- if she would have, maybe, ended up seeing stuff through Henward’s eyes- especially with what I just talked about re: a backdoor into Henward’s mind and also what I talked about in this post with the line about how a “scared enough ONE” might use the tunnel, and the idea of Henward having tried to escape the lab via the tunnel when he was younger/small enough to use the tunnel.