#the codot verse

[vibinwiththefruits]

i've seen a lot of "harley as the batclan's therapist" which is all well and good. but there is objectively nothing funnier than jason todd therapy sessions with dr jonathan "frequently beat ur ass as a child" crane.

[cinnamon-does-wacky-shit]

happy birthday Jonathan!

[teadragondreams]

JEWISH TWO FACE SYSTEM IN CODOT VERSE!!! HOLY SHIT!!!

[feartoxinjelloshot]

A few things : 1) obsessed with your scriddler fics. I eat them up. 2) I know your fics are heavily influenced by codot verse but do you have any versions of scriddler outside of codot verse? Or thoughts about how they would work? 3) I need to know if Edward vigorously takes a shower after each sexy time with Jon in the fics because I cannot imagine that he would want to be unclean for a moment longer than necessary.

1. thanks!

2. my scriddler bias actually started with them in my own au! it wasn't so much of a "this is a ship i want to include on purpose" situation so much as i just put them in the same room together and they... they started doing that. idk i don't control them. i posted some kind of paragraph about that situation here, or if you go thru my au tag #clipsverse you'll find stuff about them eventually

3. this is a juicy question. yes, nominally, HOWEVER ☝️ dont tell him i told you this. but ed absolutelyyyyyy has a secret thing for messiness during sex. like specifically with jon. if i said half the things he wants to happen to him here id get picked up by the authorities. but he's also never going to admit this out loud unless heavily pressed and/or horny so good luck getting it out of him

[nygmaass]

idk if anyone said this, but i saw your based post in the codot verse tag, and although it's heavily implied, scriddler will never be canon in rogues. he keeps reiterating this. honestly the whole podcast feels concerningly like queerbait and virtue signaling for as much as I love it

Thank you for your question I do enjoy these interactions, and I do apologise for my lack of activity. I am away from home at the moment, so I can’t provide the best sources, but I can give what information I have and form an opinion off of that.

To understand queer-bating, I’ll be using the 2012 Oxford English Dictionary, which describes queer-bating as “the practice of incorporating apparently or potentially LGBTQ characters or relationships into a film, television show, etc., as a means of attracting or appealing to LGBTQ audiences, while remaining deliberately coy or ambiguous” now the purpose of this is to capitalise of off the gay community while also pandering to the straight audience it is purposefully deceptive. When we think of queer-bating, we can think of louder examples like Voltron or smaller nods through cinematic storytelling with no confirmation. But the purpose is to be vague and create speculation.

Now I will agree I personally would think Jonathan and Edward are closer than friends, especially if I had no background context. When you look at the banter and chemistry between then I think it is fair to want to interpret it as such, however It’s debatable if we can classify rogues! as queer bating.

My own personal opinion on codot aside. Both creators in some way are queer, that doesn’t always mean good representation but scriddler as much as I do ship it, codot has never hinted that he likes or ships scriddler and in fact has been open that scriddler wouldn’t be happening. Now I scrolled through about 3 year of content only on one of his accounts and he specifies this on February 11th 2024;

and confirms their sexuality on June 4th 2024 (although he has older posts that do also mention their sexualities)

I went as far back as 2022 but did not see much content elsewhere he has then reiterated this recently and even within the rogues! Podcast sexuality is discussed so while we can be disappointed it’s not shocking.

For this to count as queer-bating they need to:

• be presented as both possibly queer

•be implied in a relationship

•used as a plot point/used to entice an audience

Edward is the only one openly presented as queer and codot doesn’t hide this while Jonathan is never hinted to be gay. There has been open communication for atleast 2 years stating their sexuality and relationship. I also couldn’t find scriddler content promoted by codot to even contradict what he was saying. So yes while this may be disappointing and I do critique codot I wouldn’t count this as queer-bating it’s been too explicit to be queer-bating.

[jonathan-cranes-mistress-of-fear]

Genuine question, as someone who has characters of my own: how do I get over my embarrassment for having OC’s? I’d never make fun of someone for having them, but whenever it comes across my dash (especially if it’s ship art) I can’t help but… (for lack of a better word), cringe. I love people being creative but it feels like I can’t get over the backlash against things like that.

It's something you have to unlearn, and that's not always easy. I think as a whole, most fandoms are not OC friendly unless it's something like a videogame in which you create the main character from scratch. Most people will stick to already established characters, because that's easy to write. Very few are brave enough to make their own story.

Firstly, l'm going to discuss comics, this is a world of many worlds. DC as example has so many universes, and there's no way I could name them all. I think many of them are numbered, and fans who create their own usually make a numbered or named verse. Like, Codotverse! (if Codot can put his whole voice out there, you can do it too, btw)

Personally, I think the open ended-ness of comic worlds is a positive for fandom. It makes it so anyone can tell a story and despite it being fannon, it's really no less canon than what's in between the pages. Comic writers themselves can't get things straight half the time, heck I've been known to nit pick comics because they forget some fact about Jonathan that SHOULD be well known.

Now, lets talk OCs. The fact is, and this probably sounds mean, people would rather read about Scarecrow or Riddler then -insert Hench character for shipping here-

The reason is as stated above, it's easier to get into. They know what to expect. And unless this OC is someone you've been talking about for years and they have curated their own mini fandom within the fandom, most ARE gonna scroll by. That's sad, I know.

BUT that doesn't mean you should quit or be embarrassed about an OC. People can come to love them, but this usually takes effort and dedication on your part. You are the one and only author and content creator of this OC. Nobody else is gonna make content for them without insensitive. That means you gotta talk talk talk, and draw draw draw, then write write write. MAKE them care. People can very easily come to love and OC,. and i know this for a fact because I used to have my own and I always got asks, people wanted to draw them, or write stories, etc.

The thing is, you gotta embrace being potentiality embarrassing. If you don't take a step forward and put yourself out there, who will? This sounds very internal for you, and it's literally something that is taught to the youngins of fandom very quickly. Fandom, as a whole (think big here) will squash or despise anything that isn't palatable. And what is palatable? that changes often. Usually, fandom is a progressive space but that doesn't mean each and every sect doesn't have issues. Big issues that are spread between a lot of fandoms include misogyny and fetishization. This is why you sometimes see creators and fandom goers attacking canon female love interests and OCs. This is also why you see a huge influx of men being shipped together and any mention of either man loving or having a relationship with a woman is often erased. These two things go hand in hand quiiiite a lot actually. Just, a thing to watch out for and think critically about.

In the end, it boils down to making your audience care amongst a sea of easy to read and already palatable content. You gotta swim against the current. Make a space for yourself, provide something that doesn't exist yet. (for me, it was hi res comic scans)

Basically, don't let the haters win.

[fallenfortheniche]

Scriddler Poll

If you ship Scarecrow x Riddler

If you’re willing to go into more detail please do so in a reply or reblog! I’m trying to gather as much information as I can about Scriddler’s origin in Fandom so every detail helps.

And if possible please add in year or general time you started shipping them.

[ednito]

whats it like to have the worst scarecrow ever.

whats it like to have the worst rogues ever.

you say things like youll make your fan verse real and your working on it but I dont think you are. i think that your jealous that you will never be like codot you will never have what he has

I showed this to my friends and they laughed so i think I'm doing good. 🤷

[strangestcase]

Hey doc do you feel like explaining in more detail what you don’t like about Codot-verse scarecrow? He’s not my favorite either but I still enjoyed him and I tend to hear good things about him too, so I’m curious as to why someone wouldn’t like his characterization. Also I recently caught up to the Rogues! Podcast so if you have more thoughts about it that you’d like to mention…

evil alter trope

[riddlercore]

Do you like Codot verse?

mmmm difficult question- i fucking love codot's voice acting, his riddler, scarecrow, and penguin are my favorites!! i've swooned over his covers and silly comedy routines relating to eddie and jon, but i'll admit i haven't listened to very many episodes (podcasts?) relating to his world. i think i finished season one and stopped? anyways, long way to say that the plot doesn't matter much to me, but i enjoy seeing the occasional fan art, and i'm always excited to see eddie and jon interact <- the humble scriddler fan

[vibinwiththefruits]

edward of r!tp. my pookie. my good time boy. my sweet cheese. kiss on the forehead for you, you stupid genius man.

[cinnamon-does-wacky-shit]

”Oh frabjous day! Calloh! Callay!”

[cottagecrowe]

Waylon: DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SWEET TEA NEEDS TO HAVE, LIKE, 4 POUNDS OF SUGAR IN IT???

Jon: If I’m not getting a stomach ache from the amount of sugar in it, then it’s not enough!

Waylon: THERE NEEDS TO AT LEAST BE 1 BAG OF SUGAR IN THERE TO MEET STANDARDS

Jon: IF THERE’S NOT SUGAR POURING INTO YOUR GLASS AHEAD OF THE TEA, YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG. IF IT’S NOT SYRUP, YOU’RE NOT SOUTHERN.

Ed: ...What. ...The fuck.

@waiting4codot

This was based off a conversation with me and a friend in a Discord group chat. I vividly heard Jon’s voice in my head saying that syrup bit, and thought you would enjoy this little read. You’re welcome.

[punch-aholic]

I took the RoguesFit challenge as an opportunity to draw myself in a sexy mobster outfit, what about it?

RoguesFit Challenge started by the lovely @sh4pes-4nd-colors

[icarusatbest]

@deafeningwastelandbouquets

Did a thing for the @waiting4codot rogues. I think I’m decently on point at least

[guessing4codot]

Other Possible Guesses That Don't 100% Fit?

Bane? Waylon? Lex??