#the codot verse

[punch-aholic]

Their friendship is so special to me 🥺

[cinnamon-does-wacky-shit]

happy birthday Jonathan!

[lost-in-fandoms1999]

This sounds like a conversation that Codotverse Riddler and Scarecrow would have and I'm standing by this statement. 🤣

Scarecrow: If you see an injured crow on the ground, give it a syringe and train it to induce terror.

Riddler: Ah, the famous Crane approach to wildlife rehabilitation.

[fallenfortheniche]

Scriddler Poll

If you ship Scarecrow x Riddler

If you’re willing to go into more detail please do so in a reply or reblog! I’m trying to gather as much information as I can about Scriddler’s origin in Fandom so every detail helps.

And if possible please add in year or general time you started shipping them.

[ednito]

whats it like to have the worst scarecrow ever.

whats it like to have the worst rogues ever.

you say things like youll make your fan verse real and your working on it but I dont think you are. i think that your jealous that you will never be like codot you will never have what he has

I showed this to my friends and they laughed so i think I'm doing good. 🤷

[strangestcase]

Hey doc do you feel like explaining in more detail what you don’t like about Codot-verse scarecrow? He’s not my favorite either but I still enjoyed him and I tend to hear good things about him too, so I’m curious as to why someone wouldn’t like his characterization. Also I recently caught up to the Rogues! Podcast so if you have more thoughts about it that you’d like to mention…

evil alter trope

[heartsick-honeybee]

PLEASE SUPPORT OUR BOY, CODOT!VERSE! 💖

🎃ROUND THREE🎃

[cottagecrowe]

Waylon: DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SWEET TEA NEEDS TO HAVE, LIKE, 4 POUNDS OF SUGAR IN IT???

Jon: If I’m not getting a stomach ache from the amount of sugar in it, then it’s not enough!

Waylon: THERE NEEDS TO AT LEAST BE 1 BAG OF SUGAR IN THERE TO MEET STANDARDS

Jon: IF THERE’S NOT SUGAR POURING INTO YOUR GLASS AHEAD OF THE TEA, YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG. IF IT’S NOT SYRUP, YOU’RE NOT SOUTHERN.

Ed: ...What. ...The fuck.

@waiting4codot

This was based off a conversation with me and a friend in a Discord group chat. I vividly heard Jon’s voice in my head saying that syrup bit, and thought you would enjoy this little read. You’re welcome.

[icarusatbest]

@deafeningwastelandbouquets

Did a thing for the @waiting4codot rogues. I think I’m decently on point at least

[guessing4codot]

October Codot Panic Time

Codot has us all scared with the 24 hour riddle to save Nora and Edward. I have made a tumblr for the sole purpose of guesses, answers, and theories. Go ham boys, I know I will.

[lost-in-fandoms1999]

I listened to this episode this past Wednesday...I never yelled, "MIND YOUR DAMN BUSINESS EDWARD!" so loud to literally no one in my room.

me, listening to ROGUES 0109:

Edward, reading Jonathan's asks: Eugh. That’s enough of that. My phone will need a virus scan after that one.

Jonathan: Shut up. Like you don't get questions like that.

Edward: I do, but they’re not usually so… graphic. What is it with people and your voice?

me, embarrassed, yelling at my phone: NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS

[punch-aholic]

I took the RoguesFit challenge as an opportunity to draw myself in a sexy mobster outfit, what about it?

RoguesFit Challenge started by the lovely @sh4pes-4nd-colors

[cinnamon-does-wacky-shit]

”Oh frabjous day! Calloh! Callay!”

[jonathan-cranes-mistress-of-fear]

Genuine question, as someone who has characters of my own: how do I get over my embarrassment for having OC’s? I’d never make fun of someone for having them, but whenever it comes across my dash (especially if it’s ship art) I can’t help but… (for lack of a better word), cringe. I love people being creative but it feels like I can’t get over the backlash against things like that.

It's something you have to unlearn, and that's not always easy. I think as a whole, most fandoms are not OC friendly unless it's something like a videogame in which you create the main character from scratch. Most people will stick to already established characters, because that's easy to write. Very few are brave enough to make their own story.

Firstly, l'm going to discuss comics, this is a world of many worlds. DC as example has so many universes, and there's no way I could name them all. I think many of them are numbered, and fans who create their own usually make a numbered or named verse. Like, Codotverse! (if Codot can put his whole voice out there, you can do it too, btw)

Personally, I think the open ended-ness of comic worlds is a positive for fandom. It makes it so anyone can tell a story and despite it being fannon, it's really no less canon than what's in between the pages. Comic writers themselves can't get things straight half the time, heck I've been known to nit pick comics because they forget some fact about Jonathan that SHOULD be well known.

Now, lets talk OCs. The fact is, and this probably sounds mean, people would rather read about Scarecrow or Riddler then -insert Hench character for shipping here-

The reason is as stated above, it's easier to get into. They know what to expect. And unless this OC is someone you've been talking about for years and they have curated their own mini fandom within the fandom, most ARE gonna scroll by. That's sad, I know.

BUT that doesn't mean you should quit or be embarrassed about an OC. People can come to love them, but this usually takes effort and dedication on your part. You are the one and only author and content creator of this OC. Nobody else is gonna make content for them without insensitive. That means you gotta talk talk talk, and draw draw draw, then write write write. MAKE them care. People can very easily come to love and OC,. and i know this for a fact because I used to have my own and I always got asks, people wanted to draw them, or write stories, etc.

The thing is, you gotta embrace being potentiality embarrassing. If you don't take a step forward and put yourself out there, who will? This sounds very internal for you, and it's literally something that is taught to the youngins of fandom very quickly. Fandom, as a whole (think big here) will squash or despise anything that isn't palatable. And what is palatable? that changes often. Usually, fandom is a progressive space but that doesn't mean each and every sect doesn't have issues. Big issues that are spread between a lot of fandoms include misogyny and fetishization. This is why you sometimes see creators and fandom goers attacking canon female love interests and OCs. This is also why you see a huge influx of men being shipped together and any mention of either man loving or having a relationship with a woman is often erased. These two things go hand in hand quiiiite a lot actually. Just, a thing to watch out for and think critically about.

In the end, it boils down to making your audience care amongst a sea of easy to read and already palatable content. You gotta swim against the current. Make a space for yourself, provide something that doesn't exist yet. (for me, it was hi res comic scans)

Basically, don't let the haters win.

[fallenfortheniche]

So the Poll is Completed…

While we didn’t get as many replies as I would have preferred, the bigger the sample size the better, it was still an AMAZING turnout considering I stated this blog like 4 weeks ago. And I want to thank you all for taking the time to respond.

Now luckily for me we got exactly 100 responses which makes determining the amount of people who voted for each option much easier for us.

Now due to the small sample size and not knowing when people started shipping this poll will not be able to really help with determining the mythical Scriddler origin point, but it does show us some interesting information nonetheless.

Firstly, it does potentially support something I’ve suspected in relation to Scriddler. Which is that it has survived and thrived for so long due to all of the wonderful fan works that have been made for the ship. Scriddler exists as the (relatively) popular ship it is now based on the works of artists within this community.

Secondly, Rouges! The Podcast/Codot Verse appears to have had a decent influence on bolstering the number of people getting into shipping Scriddler. This is honestly not very surprising, despite the ship not being canon to the show/universe, the show essentially revolves around their begrudging and growing friendship. It’s also the most substantial fan work and work in general to feature both characters in a protagonist role. Considering its popularity and reach there is a reason that despite it being fan work I separated it out from general fan art/fan writing.

(It could also be that this poll just got around the Rouges! Podcast community more than any other fan base, which wouldn’t be surprising considering I’m assuming most of you found me due to the Scriddler Dissertation which was in response to someone who was watching Rouges! The fact that Rouges! Started on tumblr and has decent sized fan base here also probably helps. Good Representative Data collection is hard guys)

Thirdly, we have the significance of the Arkham Games series. This has been discussed which is just how much of a boost the audio logs/interactions from Arkham games got people into shipping Scriddler. Hell if I go back in my mind far enough, I’m pretty sure it got me into shipping Scriddler (combined with lovely lovely fan work in that setting to really solidify it)

We did get five people who said Other, but did not give an explanation. So unfortunately there’s not much to look into there.

Shout out to the one person who found Scriddler through Audio Adventures. I’ll confess that I have not finished listening to it (I know heresy), but I added it as a figured it was likely that someone made a connection in that continuity.

Addendum: Now you might have asked you self about why I pick those years for Scriddler comic characterization/interactions. Doesn’t it seem a bit arbitrary. I’ll be honest it is a little bit. I divided the years based on the earliest comic interaction between them I could find up until before the first, most, and only significant comic interaction they’ve ever had, which was the library conversation in Batman 23.3 - Scarecrow #1

[dcandmylife]

jonathan crane, sighing: eddy, you're supposed to be in arkham

edward nygma: and you're supposed to be in the dumpster diving for ham scraps, you six-piece chicken mcnobody