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esther-dot · 2 years ago
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My friend is watching got for the first time, and I started rewatching with her from season 5 onwards. I'll preface this saying that she has liked it a lot, but she's more of a casual viewer for now and also forgets some things sometimes lol. So the other day we watched the boatbang episode. We started s8 yesterday, and in the dragon date scene, when jon and dany kissed, she said "they kissed!!! Have they kissed before???". And I was like "my friend... They literally had sex last episode..." She got shocked for a moment and then said... "Aaaah yes, it's true... now I remember Tyrion lurking in the background". So the scene was so epic that my friend literally forgot that it existed and what made her remember was Tyrion's weird face lmao
Let’s all just take a moment to the mourn the fact that the final season of GoT had a scene that is accurately described as “the dragon date scene.” I get secondhand embarrassment each time I think about it 😂
I love this message because I too was a casual viewer, but it was a show I actually watched (wasn’t doing other stuff or reading…) and I thought boatsex came out of nowhere which made me feel pretty dumb, so I’m relieved others found it so random they can’t even remember it! (Wish that were me)
Nothing like the epic romance of the series being upstaged by a guy standing in the shadows with an inscrutable look on his face.
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occupyvenus · 7 years ago
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Will LF last act be sending a hidden raven to Dragonstone where he tells he and Sansa have married and Jon uncontrolled emotions will take control of him and boom boats3x? But when he arrives at WF he'll see it's a lie and that LF is dead and none of this happened, Bran will tell him R+L=J and boom LF planted chaos again (f*cker!). Imagine Jon's guilty and torment, thinking he couldn't have Sansa bc she was his sister and for that banged his aunt. Just some odd ramblings I had. What d'you think?
Hi, nony!
Do you mean that LF makes this up completely? Yeah I could see that … Especially if LF knows about r+l=j and/or suspects any unbrotherly feelings on Jon’s part, he could do that to cause some chaos … but what would he actually gain from that? I don’t think he assumes Jon will betray the North, simply because Sansa ended up with another man. Maybe as a double move with telling Sansa some lies (or delicate secrets) about Jon in return? 
I’m not sure we could actually get the “Sansa marries LF to deceive him, but kills him between ceremony and wedding night” plot or even worse “she kills him post-wedding night” (NO THANK YOU). She has been so cold towards him and dropped one sass-bomb after another, it would be rather suspicious for her to do a 180 and pretend to be on his side again. Of course, maybe, if he thinks he convinced her that Jon betrayed her and the North somehow. Or maybe, LF could force her into marrying him, but I don’t think he actually has any bargaining chip left do that either … Even if he had, what would stop Sansa/Arya/Bran from simply killing him beforehand ? 
So I’m not sure how this could play out in canon (not saying it’s impossible) but I have to say … I love the idea of Jon sleeping with Danielle for any Sansa-related issues. Believing she belongs to another man would be the icing on the cake, but since I believe Jon is at least somewhat aware of his inappropriate, unbrotherly feelings, that realization will hit him hard no matter what. 
“I love Sansa. But she’s my sister.” => That would be so wrong. We will never ever get together. 
“That beautiful woman, who is not related to me in any way wants to sleep with me.” => Fuck it, YOLT. Maybe I’m just not supposed to end up with a gorgeous redhead. 
But then, R+L=J fucks up his entire life-system and he’s just like:
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I still don’t really “want” boatbang to happen, but Jon committing unintended incest (though are Aunt/Nephew considered “incest” according to northern westerosi standards? I still don’t have a clear answer to that.) to get over falsely assumed incest-feelings would be pretty … grrm. As long as D&D don’t try to sell it as a forced, rushed love-story. 
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shewholovestoread · 7 years ago
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Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 6 - Beyond the Wall
So, i finally caved.. I thought I would wait for the episode to air but the temptation was too great. This season feels more and more like it’s devolving and that’s not a good thing. The writing seems to have gone from bad to worse with characters being dumbed-down and some straight-up being ruined.
Now, I will discuss the episode here so all my thoughts are under the cut.
Let’s start with the world’s dumbest idea ever, get a wight south of the wall. I’m stunned that Tyrion thought this was a good idea and that Jon decided to go on the hunt. He’s a king for crying out loud, his people need him alive, not frozen to death somewhere or worse, undead, under the Night King’s thrall. The sheer amount of things that could have gone wrong were through of the roof. I’m sorry Davos, but you need to be doing a better job when it comes to advising your king, the one you’re supposed to help survive.
And then hooray! they got one wight and lost good men and a dragon in the process, I’m not sure I would call that a fair trade. That Dragon is now under the Night King’s control and is about to become a royal pain in the ass! Ugh!! The stupidity is astounding!
I did like Dany in this episode. I don’t much care for the Jon x Dany relationship that’s being shoved down our throats but it’s okay, I’ll live. I did like that she doesn’t completely rely on Tyrion’s advice. I love Tyrion but not doing anything was not sound advice. As Dany stated, her inaction already cost her Dorne and Highgarden, she wasn’t about to lose a potential alliance with the King in the North.
On a side note, there seems to some space-time issues with this season. How did Dany and her dragons get to Jon and his men so quickly? Can dragons also teleport? It made no sense.
We have the boatbang! to look forward to next episode an honestly, I don’t care either way. First off, how and why is Dany suddenly in love with Jon? They’ve hardly spent any time together and when they were, they always viewed each other with wariness. Besides, I thought she was too busy on her mission to get together with yet another guy.
And need I remind you that they are both Targs and Dany’s primary goal is to sit on the Iron Throne, she will tolerate no competition. Also Jon’s Targ status puts his kinghsip in serious jeopardy. The Northern Lords DO NOT like the Targs, they don’t trust them. They will not be happy that he bent his knee and worse, expects them to do the same. Even Sansa will have a tough time accepting this. This is Jon’s shortcoming, his inability to see that the people he claims to lead might be unhappy and dissatisfied with his decisions. What’s his plan should they refuse to bend their knee? He can’t very well force them to, he doesn’t have a personal army to get them to threaten them into agreeing with him. They don’t like Dany, a foreign invader and they will trust Jon even less when his true lineage is revealed.
The whole Sansa vs Arya plot is so annoying and exceptionally badly written. It makes no sense for the sisters to be fighting. Neither one of them is who they were all those years ago. They’ve both changed and in ways that neither of them foresaw. Arya, at least, knew she wanted to be an assassin and trained for it. But Sansa? Humiliated, raped and tortured. The ONLY reason she survived was because she was smart. She wasn’t wrong when she said that Arya would not have survived KL as she did just as it is true that Sansa could not survived the training that Arya underwent. They both went through horrible things but where Arya chose her path, Sansa didn’t get the same luxury.
We, the audience know that LF is playing the two sisters against each other. He wants to isolate Sansa and for a second I thought it worked when she went to him to ask him about the letter. But I still think that Sansa hasn’t fallen for his games even though Arya seems to have. He mentions Brienne and that in a conflict between the two sisters, Brienne would be honour-bound to intercede. One would think that with the intensity of the conflict between the two sisters, it would make sense to have her there. Instead, Sansa sends her away. Why do that unless she wanted her far away so she wouldn’t get sucked into LF’s schemes. Think about it, having Brienne by her side makes her stronger because so long as Brienne is with her, it would give Arya pause because she too likes her.
I think the scene where Sansa and LF are talking, Sansa is trying to gauge LF’s true motives. She’s also trying to gather where Arya might have gotten the letter from and she confirmed her suspicions about him. Why would LF keep that particular letter when it serves no purpose, except it puts Sansa in a precarious position.
The second scene with Arya and Sansa was especially painful to watch. You could see the horror on Sansa’s face and the fear. She honestly thought that Arya was going to kill her and wear her face. UGH! Both Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams are so good in that scene. Also when did Arya turn into a certifiable psychopath that she would threaten her own sister. Come on D & D!! This is some shitty writing and conflict for the sake of conflict. Seeing these two women who have gone through so much and are finally together and instead of banding together and supporting each other, they are at each others’ throats.
*Also, Bran, feel free to jump in anytime what with you being the all-seeing Three-Eyed Raven and what not. How can he not see what’s happening right under his nose. LF is playing his sisters against each other while he continues to brood in his chair.*
But the bit that threw me off was when Arya gave the Valerian steel dagger to Sansa. One way of looking at it was Arya telling her that she could have the dagger but it wouldn’t help her, Sansa would never see her coming. But that’s not how the scene was played. The handing over suddenly breaks the tension and you can see the confusion on Sansa’s face. She doesn’t see it as a tool of defense against Arya. She has no idea why Arya handed it over.
Which leads me think that it will be Sansa who will kill LF with the Valerian steel dagger. LF tried to give it to Bran who in turn gave it to Arya and who finally handed it over to Sansa. We also have her dialogue from the trailer, “The lone wolf dies but the pack survives.”  Of course, I could be wrong, but in that case, it makes no sense for Sansa to have the dagger. She’s not one to wield a weapon, her weapons of choice are her wits. But for LF, she’s going to make an exception. She was the one who ordered Ramsay's death and even stood and watched as his own dogs ate him alive. But with LF, things will get even more personal, he was instrumental in Ned’s death and got the whole thing rolling. He is personally responsible for Sansa’s rape at Ramsay’s hands. It would be poetic justice for her to kill him. All the while looking into his eyes and seeing as he finally realises that he’s been outplayed with Arya standing behind her, a smug smile on her face. I need this to happen. I need Arya and Sansa to be a unified front and fuck anyone who tries to fuck with the Starks.
P.S. - I love that little head tilt that Sansa does when she’s trying to be brave. It gets me every time.
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undeadmanbun · 7 years ago
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That was some good wall shit and long overdue, plus Vis now a confirmed white walker (flyer?). Just a shame the boatbangers are entirely to blame, those dumb fucks.
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enchantmentb · 7 years ago
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Review GoT S07E07
Warning, this is a looong ass rant. Only writing this to somehow get my growing frustration with the show off my chest.
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What I actually liked:
The music. Ramin Djawadi is a genius. Honestly, it’s like he’s writing the score for a different show by this point. Truth is beautiful, it elevated the D@ny/Jon/Rhaegar/Lyanna scene to so much more than it actually was.
The scenography. The way the camera glided over King’s Landing (great CGI lol) in the beginning was stunning and the falling of the wall at the end impressive. The image of snow starting to fall over KL at the end was beautifully done. You can say a lot about D&D but they do know how to do their visuals. (So where was Ghost? Nevermind.)
Jon Snow being allowed to actually be Jon Snow for a moment with the line: “Why would anyone want to live that way?” about living in King’s Landing - as the true Northman’s he’s supposed to be. (Newsflash: you’ll have to live there eventually if you get together with D@ny).
Brienne and the Hound meeting again. They both so evidently care for Arya, aw. 
Lena Heady. My god this woman can act. Give her an Emmy already. Both Lena and Cersei outplayed everyone at that Dragonpit meeting. 
Cersei’s scene with Tyrion. Best scene of the season. It actually reminded me of the GoT-that-used-to-be in the early seasons. Finally some depth, some character exploration, some inner conflict, some kind of nuance. Despite everything - despite everything that’s happened between them with Tywin, Myrcella etc. - Cersei couldn’t bring herself to kill Tyrion and I love it. They are family. There is still some kind of bond no matter how ruptured. This is honestly why the Lannisters are one of my favourite houses. Yep, they are dysfunctional af but my god do they make up some of the most interesting characters on GoT - not to mention the best actors. The relationships between them are all fascinating. (You could argue that Cersei probably played Tyrion in this scene, but still... I just love their dynamic.)
Cersei actually making some sense. I was surprised I found myself agreeing with her a lot in this episode. Like, why do D@ny & co even need her to be in on their plan to begin with? D@ny could have easily dracarysed Cersei right there and then in the Dragonpit, not to mention Cersei hardly has any armies or support left - so what is the big deal? Cersei is right, the smartest thing for her to do is to let D@ny & co take on the NK in the North while Cersei does her best to secure her power through the Golden Company in the south. Jaime certainly had a point about them having to fight whoever wins “The Great War” - but if it’s the NK they are all f*cked anyway and if it’s D@ny & co the chances they are weakened by all the fighting are pretty high. The big fight might even cost D@ny her dragons. Tbh this is Cersei’s only chance to stay in power or even survive (D@ny will never let Cersei live) and she knows it. It’s a high gamble for sure, but if might pay off. I mean, we all know it won’t - Cersei will be killed - but I can see where she’s coming from. (Btw, I think the Dragonpit meeting also shows that Tyrion as D@ny’s Hand is - in a way - a liability for her since some part of his heart will always belong to the Lannisters.)
Alfie Allen. Sometimes I feel he, Lena Heady and Peter Dinklage are carrying the show. (I actually love Kit as well and think he’s excellent - but the Jon/D@ny dynamic needs to be explained before I give him any more accolades.) Theon finding his strength again - no matter the silly no-dick-is-sometimes-a-good-thing “twist” - almost moved me to tears.
I actually liked the boatbang scene for several reasons: 1) the music, 2) Kit Harington’s amazing hotness &  3) the juxtaposition with Bran’s information about Jon being the rightful heir put the inherent conflict in the Jon/D@ny relationship right smack there in the middle of their coupling - which made it quite an effective & angsty scene.  It’s obviously building to problems later on.
What I didn’t like:
Phew...where to begin...?
D@ny swooping in on her dragon.🙄  We have seen this 100 times already, everyone and their uncle has seen this - why is it even a moment in the episode? (Jesus, save the CGI for something better, like, I don’t know Ghost.)
Jon not lying to Cersei/bending the knee to D@ny in public. (Or whatever the eff he was doing?) Like...we get it writers, Jon Is Dumb™ . I can’t even begin to tell you how sick and tired I am of the writers dumbing down Jon to the point of being unrecognisable compared to his book counterpart, but what’s even worse: Jon going on and on about Ned’s sense of honour and “I’m not going to swear an oath which I can’t uphold.” Really? 🤔  WHAT ABOUT YOUR OATH TO THE NORTH? I’m just asking. What about that oath? Don’t give me “I’m doing as my father would have done blah blah” as long as Jon is freely giving away the North to a Targaryen queen. Just don’t. Not to mention....Ned DID lie. To everyone around him, for more than a decade, about Jon. (Granted, Jon doesn’t know that.) And to everyone in KL about treason in season 1. So, it’s not like it’s unprecedented. Nope. But the writers continue to depict Jon as dumb to ~keep up the suspense~ and now also disloyal to his own country/family...? Or what the heck? I get it, he wants to protect the North from the NK and being in an alliance with D@any is obviously a smart way to achieve that goal, but where is the inner conflict about bending the knee? This should be HUGE. And not only for Jon for that matter but for everyone around him. And why on earth didn’t he just make do with D@ny supporting him without giving away his crown & country in S07E06? I can’t with this writing, I just can’t. Either Jon is subtly playing Dany or he’s gone off the rails OOC. 
And yeah, about that: no one mentioning Sansa at that meeting? 🙄  Or any of the Starks...? And why wasn’t any of the other houses in Westeros present? Or the maesters from the Citadel? Seems like pretty important information for all the important players in Westeros.
Jon and D@ny’s scene in Dragonstone. Okay, so once again during a “bonding scene” they’re only talking about her. Only. About. Her. Ah what a romance, I guess this is how great love is built? And she mentions how ~totally unfair~ it was for the dragons to be kept locked away in this place. Really? They are weapons of mass destruction which only she can control, and then just barely. God... I hardly know what to say about the logic in GoT anymore. Are the dragons supposed to be depicted as beautiful creatures who *deserve* to be kept free now? Nevermind them casually burning and eating innocents as we saw in Essos? Or is D@ny supposed to be viewed as deluded? She locked them in herself in Mereen - so what about now? About a possible baby: okay, so Jon thinks the witch perhaps was wrong. Fair enough, she might have been? But why then has he no qualms about having sex with D@ny later? Obviously he might get her pregnant and normally (?) Jon surely wouldn’t risk that? Honestly, where is Jon Snow? This is the question I will be asking forever until he returns (if ever). I will say this though, I Iiked D@ny saying: “You were right from the beginning, if I trusted you everything would be different.” I took this as a possible clue Jon might actually be playing D@ny and is now getting her where he wants her. But who knows.
Unpopular opinion alert: the whole plot in Winterfell. I hated it. It didn’t make much sense. Everyone was acting OOC: Arya, Littlefinger - even Sansa. Arya and Sansa and Bran could have talked to each other. And apparently they did - off screen. The only question is when? How long did this deception go on? And what was their plan? To gain information from LF to get him convicted in a trial? Smart. But they didn’t even get him to say very much, we mostly saw Sansa and Arya fighting with each other. Not to mention this whole thing makes LF look stupid. And in the end pathetic. I just can’t imagine GRRM giving him this sort of ending in the books, he’s supposed to be this mastermind lolol. (I must say though that Aidan Gillen nailed his performance in LF:s last scene.) Sansa: “I’m a slow learner.” Ugh, does that mean she and Arya didn’t see through LF:s plan until the very end? That makes Arya look terrible. And Sansa not very bright tbh. And what kind of “trial” was that, Yohn Royce & the Vale just believed in Bran’s supernatural visions lol? I must say it was great the Vale was present though, now the truth is out there which strengthens the Vale’s bond to House Stark. That was a smart move from Sansa. I just feel slightly robbed tbh of 1) a more deserving ending for LF & 2) a better Winterfell/Stark story overall. I fully expected LF - if anybody! - to be one of the key players right up until the end. (It will be very interesting to see how this is handled in the books.) Anyway. I can live with him dying. It was satisfying to see Sansa finally and openly go against him & Arya slitting his throat. What I can’t live with though is the abysmal writing for the Stark family this season. Both Arya and Sansa were ready to kill each other? 🙄  Without talking to Bran who they both know sits on all this knowledge? And Bran...doesn’t he care his sisters are at each other’s throats? No matter his “robot status”? Not to mention Jon giving up the North to a Targaryen without much - evident - thought of his family (as far as we know). 🙄  It’s just awful. I sure hope “a time for wolves” is soon here or I will finally give up on this show. House Stark deserves better.🐺
The scene with Sansa and LF “reacting” to Jon bending the knee. Yeah, because there wasn’t much of a reaction?  Shouldn’t this be HUGE for Sansa? For Arya and Bran? For the North? And what, Sansa hasn’t considered that Jon needs to marry? Of course he needs to marry and get heirs, he is the the Warden of the North (as per his letter). LF is wrong about Jon marrying D@ny though. Jon has already bent the knee, she is his queen, what purpose would a marriage serve politically? The only reason D@ny would marry Jon now is for lurve. Or if she gets pregnant I suppose? Politically, there is zero need for a marriage. The smartest thing for D@ny would be to marry Jaime tbh. That would secure an alliance with her arch enemy the Lannisters. Or Gendry for that matter, if he gets recognised as the heir to House Baratheon. Or even Sam lolol, as the last heir (??) of the Reach. House Stark is already secured politically. Unless Sansa is playing LF in this scene? And unless LF is trying to get a reaction from her by mentioning Jon/D@ny? Well, that would be basically the only sign of some sort of Jonsa in this entire episode? Who knows. The writing is so bad at this point it’s hard to get a grasp of when characters are simply out of character/behaving illogically or when they are actually doing something smart.
The Dragonpit scene. Oh god, give me strength. This was basically just a setup for boatbang.🙄  “It’s your decision your grace, but if we are going to be allies in this war it’s important for the Northerners to see us as allies.” WTF Jon, make up your mind. You are NOT allies - that would actually have been logical🙄  - she is your queen. You have bent the knee, you are her subject. No matter how much you *sail together* I doubt that will go down well with the northerners. D@ny: “I’ve not come to conquer the North, I’m coming to save the North.” Okay, fine, so no need for Jon to give up his crown then? The North will continue to be independent? Either the writers are trying to whitewash D@ny here, are totally illogical or...Jon is slowly succeeding with (a very subtle) game in getting her to do what he wants? That last option would be brilliant, but frankly I think it’s too smart for this show. I hope I’m wrong. Well, anyway, so the conflict between the North and D@ny is over then? Good to know going into season 8. 
Theon/Jon scene. Jon: “You betrayed his memory!” to Theon about Ned. Unless Jon is actually playing D@ny, I can’t with this apparent hypocrisy. Is it awful writing? Or is Jon playing the game?
The Jaime/Cersei break up scene. Don’t get me wrong, I loved that Jaime rediscovered his character development and finally broke free of this very dysfunctional relationship, it’s just how it was done which left me slightly underwhelmed. After everything, after blowing up the Sept, after Tommen dying, after sleeping with Lancel, after Cersei treating Jaime like garbage for so long THIS is Jaime’s breaking point? Cersei making a deal with Euron he didn’t know about? I can buy Jaime staying with Cersei for longer than was ever healthy for anyone - after all, that is usually the case with dysfunctional relationships - but him abandoning her seemed a bit sudden, almost rushed. And surprisingly unemotional. It had made more sense a season (several seasons) ago. It would have felt more earned after Cersei blowing up the sept and Tommen dying because of it. Also, I didn’t like that Cersei didn’t seem more affected by it. Yes, she’s a manipulative narcissist/sociopath, but the show has shown her being vulnerable and having feelings before. Jaime abandoning her should affect her immensely, if only on a purely selfish level. I would have wished for a more Gone With the Wind ending lol with Cersei desperately rushing after Jaime and him delivering something akin to “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”. 😊  Then again Scarlett O’Hara wasn’t pregnant when Rhett abandoned her I suppose. Cersei’s pregnancy could explain her apparent indifference.
Bran/Sam/Jon/D@ny/Rhaegar/Lyanna: Yes, overall I liked the scene, but Sam and Bran’s meeting was so incredibly rushed. My god. And how come Bran behaved more warmly towards Sam than any of his actual family? 😂  And Rhaegar... Just no. Sorry, I’m sure the actual actor is wonderful and all, but this wasn’t how I pictured Rhaegar at all - as some poor man’s version of Viserys lol. Just. No. “Robert’s rebellion was built on a lie.” 🙄 🙄 🙄  So what about Aerys burning Ned’s father and brother alive? I swear to god, if this is yet another attempt to whitewash D@ny and the Targaryens me and GoT are so done. It’s over. “He loved her. And she loved him.” Oh so J & D love each other now? Lmao when did this happen? Tbh if that is what D&D are trying to sell I can just laugh about it at this point. Like I can buy that D@ny is totally smitten even though she actually doesn’t know Jon. (They only ever talk about her.) Who wouldn’t be? He’s insanely hot and honourable and all that. I can buy a “Targaryen pull” leading to attraction between them. (Genetic Sexual Attraction.) But Jon? Two episodes ago he couldn’t care less. 😂  Either this is yet another example of incredibly crappy writing or something is up. And “Aegon”. 😂  Yeah, we can all agree that it doesn’t make any sense. 
I actually mainly loved Sansa and Arya’s last scene together so perhaps this shouldn’t be on my minus list, because finally some Stark bonding. Loved Sansa repeating Ned’s words and how the sisters finally connected other over how much they missed him. Loved how they recognised each other’s strength and how much they’ve both been through. But no mention of Jon...? Of him bending the knee? Like, the most important thing which has happened to their house in years? Or does Arya even know? Shouldn’t she be livid in that case? Bran does, is she the only Stark who doesn’t? For me it’s just such a glaring omission from their talk it puts a damper on the whole scene.
The NK bringing down the wall. Tbh I couldn’t care less. Episode S07E06 just removed the feeling of imminent danger when it comes to the NK & the WW. (Compare that episode to Hardhome! After Hardhome I felt genuinely scared.) There seems to be nothing more to know about them. They just have to be defeated - and they obviously will be. *shrugs* There is no mystery, no suspense left when it comes to the NK & the WW as far as I’m concerned. The only thing left to know is how many characters will die in “The Great War”. That’s it. 
All in all a disappointing episode, especially for a season finale. For me it all comes down to what D&D are doing with the Stark family in general and Jon’s character specifically. If they are truly going for the Jon-falls-in-love-with-Dany-and-therefore-gives-her-the-North I am so done. I’m out. I am SO out. If that is the case I am also shocked. Not in my wildest imagination did I ever think D&D would make Jon betray his own family, betray Ned and Robb’s memory, because he falls in love? Wtf? I can take a lot of crappy writing in GoT since overall I honestly love the show, but THAT, just there, is my breaking point. I want Jon Snow back, the character he used to be. I want the Starks and the North to become strong again after everything they have been through. I want A Time for Wolves. 🐺 
If it actually turns out Jon has been playing D@ny to get her to do what he wants to secure the North & his family I’ll give D&D credit for pretty brilliant writing. If not, I’m done. When the real Jon Snow is back on the show, I will be back caring.
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occupyvenus · 7 years ago
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So, Bran is informing Jon that “the army of the dead is marching on Eastwatch”, making it sound like they are coming really close (at least that’s what how it sounds to me) and … instead of getting their armies ready to face them (after all Danielle is on board with the whole White Walkers situation now and I would even be okay with Jon agreeing to a compromise a la “you help us defeat the night king and then I’ll kneel to you”, desperate times ...), Jon allegedly decides to risk his life by travelling all the way north, going on a wight hunt, travelling back south to show it to his colleagues and then going back north to face the army of that dead that was closing in on eastwatch 3-5 months ago? (Missandei does say that the journey from Winterfell to Dragonstone takes very long, even if it isn’t shown on screen, so .... travel time is the same it just doesn’t translate to movie-time ) 
Has Jon sent the Night King a memo to wait with “walking past the Mountain in an arrow-shape near Eastwatch”, so he can finish the stupid wighthunt- dragonpit-boatbang plot or how does he expect that all to happen in time? 
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occupyvenus · 7 years ago
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Omg, no where in the leaks does it say Jon bends the knee! After the wight hunt, he wants to bend the knee bc he's really grateful that dany decided to come help them and he's also feeling bad about viserion dying but he physically can't. Dany asks him about the north indp. then says shes doesnt want him to bend the knee anymore. At the dragonpit meeting he sides with dany over cersei but doesnt bend the knee to her. The issue is him picking a side bc it doesnt unite the realm like he intends
Hi nony! This has been sitting in my inbox for a couple of days (sry it’s pretty full and I do have a life outside of tumblr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, plus, I’m shit at replying in an acceptable time-frame anyway … don’t take it personally) 
That would actually … make a lot more sense. Since everyone is going ape-shit over the leaks again, maybe read this. This is the exact problem of taking written leaks and spoilers at face value. They lack context. Reading a couple of sentences about what happens isn’t the same thing as actually seeing it on screen. Even the official epsiode abstracts don’t do it justice. Or was I the only one who expected shit to go down in the north when I read that “Jon was facing a revolt?”. 
You are missing the events precedenting the incident, camera-work, facial expressions, music scores, background reactions, etc. All the things important to conveying information and meaning in a visual and continual medium as television. It’s way to easy to read something into it and intepret them according to your own biases, wishes or fears. The spread of spoilers and leaks on the internet is nothing but a global game of telephone / chinese whisper’s. Whatever truth is in them is buried under a mountain of other peoples thoughts, speculations and (miss)-interpretations. The more people talk about it, the more false information is out there. And as stated above, even the things that are factually correct, can be portrayed in a misleading light. 
So basically Jon is willing to kneel for Danys help, but after seeing the white walkers with her own eyes she offers to do so anyway? That’s something that would make sense for both characters. I can accept that. Jon being ready to give up northern independece for her asisstance, with her assuring him that there is no need to do that. I could see Dany pressing her claim anyway, but that would actually be a good character moment for her. 
Jon doesn’t pledge himself to Dany in the Dragonpit and gives the North to her, but simply sides with her on the Iron Throne over Cersei ruling the (remaining) kingdoms? That makes sense as well. As King in the North he would be expected to choose between supporting one of the two candidates. Favouring Dany is not the same thing as kneeling to her. She clearly is the better choice (even if I’m starting to believe that Jonny will end up on the westerosi throne in his own right). I have no problem with that. 
They way you put it nony, I could see this happening and it wouldn’t completely destroy Jons character, or Danys. It would be mostly consistent with their characterization so far and wouldn’t completely go against the goals and motivations established for them this season. Thanks for sending me this. 
I do stand by my opinion that Jon shouldn’t feel too heartbroken over Dany losing a dragon while saving him from a suicide mission SHE SENT HIM ON. A bit of sympathy, sure, but to the point where it makes up for her previous misssteps and denying him aid in the first place? After both he and (assumingly) Melissandre and Tyrion try to convince her the threat is real? It also strikes me as implausible that Dany wouldn’t believe Jon when he is right in front of her, giving his testimony, but any kind of message from Bran will completely change her mind? That’s what will convince her to take her dragons north and help them? Seriously? Well, D&D aren’t known for their consistent characterizations so, yeah, possible. Doesn’t make enough sense for me, but probably makes enough sense for them. 
I do also stand by my opinion that Jon has absolutely no real reason to go to the dragonpit anyway and that meeting with mad queen lannister in a locale of her own choosing, in the middle of wildfire-infested kings landing is a stupid as hell idea, that both Tyrion and Sansa should warn them about. They should really know that Cersei cannot be trusted. Also Cerseis little sheme of promising and then withholding any help makes no sense as well - as a viable threat to our heroes - but I could accept that as on par with the shitty writing D&D have done before. 
Btw, I am going to take a back-seat in discussing the leaks from now on. It was fun before the season-premiere, given that it was all we could work with, but now I would much rather spend my time analyzing and talking about the actual canon-footage. I still have so many scenes from the first two episodes I want to dissect and it seems more meaningful to me to concentrate on this. I am honestly so exhausted that every discussion and analysis of actual canon-material is overshadowed and judged or dismissed by their consistency with possible future events as described in leaks, which’s ultimate accuracy we will only be able to judge at the end of the season. I will speculate on the shows direction based on what the show has given us so far. I am tired of people granting the leaks more significance than the actual show so far. Seriously, if I have one more anon telling me “You’re analysis is bullshit because in tha leeks (`Д´) this thing happens in episode xy “ I might just scream. 
I will be talking about the leaks every now and then, but I will withdraw from most general discussions. I will not focus on them. I still have some anons about it in my inbox and maybe I’ll write a combined answer to them, but chances are I will neither find the time nor the energy to do so. Send me an ask if you think I’d be interested to talk about it, or if you want to hear my opinion, but I won’t promise to do so. Sry, but I really hope you understand where I’m coming from.
Putting this in the jonsa tag, because people over there are freaking out once again and maybe this will ease their minds. I don’t usually like to put jonsa-unrelated content in the tag, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Hope you guys understand. Jonsa is still possible and while s7 will be a rough time for us, it has done nothing but continuing the subtle foreshadowing of season 6. I will not change my mind about jonsa becoming endgame because of tha leeks, I will make up my mind by the way canon proceeds from now on. If they really butcher Jons character I might leave the canon-side of the ship, but not the fanon one. We have one of the best fandoms with the one of the best ships I ever was part of / rooted for and I will not let canon take that away from me. Bryke has been trying for almost ten years to destroy my conviction in zutara, without any success. I will simply keep shipping them as if season 7 (and maybe season 8) never happened, but thus far nothing in the show has given me a reason to do that. Canon material > leaks on the internet.
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the whole dragonpit thing does make sense though because it brings cersei into it, and i would definitely expect that. I've seen conflicting things about how fast they get back there etc. GoT travels people super fast, so it's not that surprising though. Idk it still makes sense to me.
Naah, it doesn’t. Here’s why:
CERSEI IS FUCKING CRAZY AND THEY KNOW IT
The dragonpit meeting is supposedly 
an assembly of numerous, influentel westerosi personalities, 
who all have some kind of beef with Cersei, 
that’s going to take place in a distinctive King’s Landing landmark.
Hhhmmmm…. sounds familiar. I know season 6 feels like a lifetime ago, but let me remind you how Cersei dealt with a veeery similar situation last season:
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Maybe that wasn’t clear enough… Maybe from another angle:
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Just to get my point across, take a look at a giant bell squishing some random dude in the streets:
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You see I wouldn’t agree to meet with Cersei in a local of her own choosing in the middle of wildfire-infested Kings Landing. I just don’t think it’s very wise to put everyone who wants to save Westeros from the White Walkers together in a place with MAD QUEEN LANNISTER. Not when this is what happened to the last dude who was waiting to have a little chat with her: 
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I don’t know man, I wouldn’t want to take the risk. One big BOOM and there goes humanities hope against the army of the dead. 
SANSA & TYRION KNOW CERSEI
Other than blowing up the equivalent of the vatican last season, Cersei wasn’t a particular nice person to begin with. I love her but she’s a hateful, selfish, cruel woman. She wanted Tyrion dead all his life. Even if - if - someone could somehow convince her that he wasn’t involved in Joffs death, she still blames him for her fathers and mothers death.  
Tyrion (the D’s secret boyfriend & her top advisor) and Sansa (Jons secret wife & his top advisor) arguably know her better than anyone else in the show. They know that Cersei doesn’t give a flying fuck about anyone but herself (now that her children are gone). Cersei doesn’t care about the high lords & ladies, she doesn’t care about the smallfolk, she doesn’t care about anyone. They (should) know that Cersei would gladly see all of westeros turn into an icy wasteland, if only out of spite so no one else can have it. They have no reason to assume that she would care about the White Walkers and they have absolutely no reason to trust her in any way. She doesn’t feel responsible for her peoples well-being. She simply doesn’t. 
THEY DON’T NEED CERSEI 
It’s well established, that the most important factors in fighting the army of the dead are fire and dragonglass. Sheer number aren’t really as important as an effective strategy to implement those two things. Jon and the D already have “the numbers”. I’ve said it before, but what are those x-thousand lannister soldiers going to do? SET THEMSELVES ON FIRE AND RUN STRAIGHT INTO THE ARMY OF THE DEAD? Are Jon and the D planning to use them as a kamikaze fire troupe to thin out the night kings army before they send in their own troops? Like this?
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Maybe that isn’t an actual battle, but they are rehearsing their strategy for the great war. Maybe ??? Suicide Squad Westeros edition? 
I’ll admit that they at least would try to have a truce with Cersei, but there is no reason for them to need or even want (considering anything else) her help against the White Walkers. They should try to negotiate terms a la “let’s put aside all that drama about the Iron Throne until the giant undead army coming from the north is destroyed, m’kay?”, sure, but tha leeks™ present that whole meeting in an entirely different light, because Cersei’s promise to help and her later withdrawal from that are presented as some kind of big master scheme. Also, the fact they would need to put an temporarely end to the political fighting doesn’t negate all other things I’ve laid out here. And either way: 
JON DOESN’T HAS TO TELEPORT OVER THE ENTIRE CONTINENT AND HE SHOULDN’T WANT TO NEITHER
You are completely right that the show let’s its characters jump all over the place. They could totally do that here. But, all issues with realistic travel times aside, there’s no valid reason for Jon to go with them. No matter how long that journey would take. 
He’s injured or at least in very bad shape => not the best condition for any journey really.  “You all go to Kings Landing without me. I’ll just slow you down.” Would just make sense. 
He’s like a thousand-times closer to winterfell. He would want to go back there, unless for some reason he really couldn’t. That would just make more sense. (I’m just going to shamelessly put @nabilawrites picture from this post here. Because it’s absolutely perfect and expresses things I could never put into words. )
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He should want to stay in the north to keep an eye on things. You know so he is close if something happens with the White Walkers and can react to it fast. To the big enemy that he’s known is coming for 4 seasons now? You remember? I think he would like to stay up-to-date on all beyond-the-wall issues. Imagine if he was, let’s say, somewhere near Dragonstone, on a boat, banging someones brains out when the Wall finally falls. Bad fucking timing, Jonny, bad timing. If only he had stayed in the north, close to the real danger. That just would have made more sense.
For the first time in years, his entire (remaining T__T) family is home. Bran and Arya (Arya for fucks sake, ARYA) and Sansa are right there in Winterfell, but he wants to go on a completely useless, potential-suicide trip to Kings Landing to negoiate a deal with a mad queen, whom he knows he can’t trust? One would think, one stupid suicide mission was enough. One would think he would like to spend as much time with his family, the family he just got back after thinking they are all dead, as possible. That would just make sense.
THEY DON’T NEED HIM IN KINGS LANDING. They have the wight. If all of this is only to convince Cersei, the fucking wight should be enough. Or is she not going to believe the wight is real, if Jon isn’t there? That real moving corpse is really impressive, but were is that northern bastard king I probably despise and look down on for a variety of reason? What would you want me to do when he isn’t here? They don’t need Jon to go on a long-ass journey, when he should be in the north to prepare for the war. If he and the D are allies they should split the responsibilities: One of them goes to the south to take care of the political debate, the other gets the troops ready for facing the white walkers. That would just makes sense. 
I’ll give it to you that it probably - sadly - makes enough sense for D&D, though. But I’m not sure if shitty writing should be a cause for celebration. Sorry if this reply was a little salty, but I’ve already talked about the stupid wighthunt - dragonpit - boatbang sequence so often. I’m just rehashing old ideas here. 
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There is one more thing I have to get off my chest about the season 7 leaks. Since some of this seems to be confirmed, this is mostly me prematurely bitching about D&D’s stupid, stupid writing.
Spoilers, leaks and some cursing under the cut. You’ve been warned.
If I got it right this is how the wight hunt - dragonpit - boatbang events go down:
1. Dany doesn’t believe them about the Army of the Dead 2. Jon decides to catch a wight to prove it to her 3. Bran has a vision of them getting in trouble and somehow communicates that to Dany 4. Dany flys north to help them 5. Jon gets separated from the group and almost dies 6. Dany finds him and brings him back to Castle Black 7. Dany, Jon and some others leave for KL to show the wight to Cersei 8. They parley with Cersei in the Dragonpit 9. Jon vocally pledges himself to Dany there  10. Cersei promises to help, but won’t really do it 11. Jon and Dany go back north and bang on a boat 
There are so many things I don’t understand about the wight hunt, the whole drgaon pit scenario, Jon kneeling, Cersei’s little scheme, etc but if there is one thing I really don’t get it’s this:
Why would they ship a severly injured (”they find him half-dead”) Jon to King’s Landing ????  You know, if I were a maester at Castle Black and had a badly injured northern king lying around, I wouldn’t give them the green light to take him on a long-ass journey because he will recover before they reach KL
I would probably tell them to bring him back to his home, to Winterfell, so he can get back his strength there. That would just makes sense, you know, since they are pretty close to it. And if Dany insists he has to come with them, sorry, but what a dick move? Seriously, the dude almost died, you’re a couple of weeks away from his home and you drag him along on a months long journey instead, for no reason at all. If he’s the one who insists, tell him to stop being a freaking idiot, tell him “we have the wight, we don’t need you to come, just go home and rest for a bit. We’re friends, we’re allies, let us take care of this. You just nearly died, get some sleep. We got this.” 
They don’t need Jon to go back to KL with them. They don’t need him AT ALL. Seriously, why does he have to be there to show off the wight ??? What - Cersei won’t believe it is real if Jon isn’t there ????? Why doesn’t Dany go back there on her own with some instructions from Jon and Davos or some trustworthy lord as a northern representative??? Just tell Cersei the kitn stayed in the north to prepare for the war, if she wants to know why he isn’t with them. Have Davos give one of his motivational speeches “The king is in the north, getting ready to fight the real enemy. Our real enemy. North is where we all need to go, if we want to survive “ or something like that ...
The wight is the important part of this stupid useless parley with Cersei, Jon’s presence doesn’t matter. Btw, wasn’t the original reason for the wight hunt to get Dany on board with this army of the dead issue ??? I guess it would be nice to get Cersei to help as well but what does she really bring to the table? A couple thousand lannister soldiers (can’t be that many after Dany’s dragons fried her army) and maybe Eurons fleet . Yeah, that will make aaaaaall the difference. Her master scheme to promise and later withhold her assistance will have such a big impact - Wow Cersei, you showed them! You showed them good, girl!
They won’t know what to do since it isn’t like Dany is the one with the massive army, the dragonglass and the dragons. Wasn’t the whole point to prove the white walker’s existence to her? Apparently some telepathic raven message from Bran was enough to change her mind. Or does he just send a normal raven? But why would she believe that, if she didn’t believe Jon when he was right in front of her. Btw Tyrion was ready to somewhat believe Lord Commander Mormont about “dead men rising” back in season 2, so why would he be so sceptical off the whole thing now? Jons and Tyrions word wasn’t enough to convince Dany, but any kind of message from Bran is? Seems like they didn’t need to go on a suicide wight hunting mission after all. Even if they need Cersei for some reason, even if all of this is about persuading her to aid them, they don’t need Jon in KL to convince her to help! They simply don’t. They have the fucking wight. That’s all the prove they need.
It almost feels as if they are dragging Jon across the entire continent, so he can “vocally pledge to Dany in the dragon pit” and bang her when they go back north the very next episode - if not the very same episode. You can feel about that however you like but I only have one question: Why not have them do all that in Castle Black ??? Seriously, Jon consoles her about Viserions death, they have all these “we’re all going to die in this war” conversations and have sex before Dany leaves for KL. Having Jon kneel to Dany (okay, not a fan but if it happens, it happens) in a place with high personal significance for him, a place representing the looming threat of the white walkers, wouldn’t be to bad either. The season ends with Dany’s fleet/army making it’s way back north while Jon sees the wall crashing down on his way back down to Winterfell. We can all be - oh, shit will Jon get away? Will Dany make it in time ???
The whole dragon pit + boatbang incident requires so many leaps in logic, absurd decisions and completely unnecessary actions. It’s inconsistent with previously established plot points, it forces the characters to needlessy take high risks and makes them jump all over the place in a way too short period of time. It just pisses me of that D&D would agree to such a convoluted plot, interruptung the natural flow of the narrative because for some reason they had to have that in there and couldn’t come up with a more logical way to have all these events unfold. 
Rant over. Dani out.
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Are you really excited for this season? Because I am really torn. The leaks seem to be true, well at least like 80 to 90 percent and most of the stuff just makes me cringe.
Hi anon!
Right now, I AM! The trailers were so amazing how could I not get hyped? 
I mean look at this:
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Jon fucking slamming Creepyfinger against a wall in the WF crypts.
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Sansa walking away from Jon (I’m 98% certain it’s him) 
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This shot of Jon alone - I’m soooo grateful for the kingly-fur-waistline
Bran is back in Winterfell, Tyrion looks fucking worried all the time, the D is on screen when Davos says “Who’s sceleton sits on the Iron Throne” and when Jon says “the common enemy”. My fucking Queen Sansa Stark reciting some stark-family-unity poetry. 
The trailers were 100% pro-stark, Jon/Sansa/LF lovetriangle-ish (did you notice that they were the only ones talking in the second trailer???) goodness and they got me so excited for what season 7 could be. Maybe it’s pointless to say, but GoT has so much potential. Trailers shouldn’t spoil any major events, true, but they do set the tone for the coming season. 
But I know what you mean, 99% of what happens in the leaks is complete bullshit and I had already made my peace with a shitty season. But:
Tha leeks seem to be true.  That doesn’t mean they are. 
IF the leaks are completely (or only ~80%) true s7 is the absolute narrative lowpoint of the entire series. Okay, nothing could be worse than Dorne, but at least it wasn’t the “main story”. Nothing substantial happens to lead us towards the shows ultimate conclusion. Aryas and Brans story lines are so boring and inconsequential. Bran spends the entire season figuring out who Jons dad is? Seriously, that’s pretty obvious and Bran is a smart boy. Also he’s the most powerful character right now (he is - despite your opinion on the matter) and he doesn’t further the plot at all. The whole dragonpit scenario is so dumb - so very very very dumb. It reads like D*ny stan masturbation porn through and through. (The whole show was positively biased towards her until now, but I belong to the strong believers of the D turning into an antagonist/villain in the end.)
Would HBO really ruin it’s number one franchise in the penultimate season? The leaks are so awful and ridiculous, that I have a hard time believing D&D would actually go threw with that. I already talked so much about all the things that don’t make any sense, just look through my got leaks and got speculation tags. 
Maybe D&D just squeezed as much “confirm the leaks”-material as possible in the trailers to fuck with the audience? We all know how they feel about leaks and spoilers. Maybe they are responsible for the leaks themselves?  Maybe the leaks only got a few things right and left major plot points out? Btw, lads, the guy responsible for the leaks, said that Ramsay would nearly beat Jon to death in s6. Sooo, I’m not sure just how accurate his information is. 
Also, such a major leak seems rather unlikely for such a huge production. They take so many precautions and safety measures to prevent exactly that from happening. Maybe one characters or episodes plot, but more or less everything? I don’t buy it. Not for a second. 
Last, but not least @bisansastarks (btw sry to drag you into another leaks-discussion) infected me with her confidence that the leaks are mostly bullshit or at least missing some very important plot points.
So I decided not to take them to serious and sulk in a corner, but to look foward to a potentially amazing, mind-blowing season. Life’s just easier that way. If I am disappointed I can at least take comfort in the fact that I have better taste than the creators of a multi-million dollar franchise. 
Plus look at this: 
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We’ll get a stark family reunion with 99% certainty. How could I not be excited? 
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I dont think I really can enjoy the season if the leaks are true, and it seems they are. Like another season of Jon getting rescued, this time by a dany who gets hyped up by D&D as the special snowflake. And she even gets Jon at the end as her new "consort" or whatever. Well it seems like she likes him but if he pledges himself to her (I hope at least not openly on the dragonpit, its horrible), I am going to be pissed. And jon is legimate, dont want him to kneel.
You know, if the leaks are true I’m not going to enjoy the season either. Except for the WF plot probably, because I’m so excited to see my babies together again and I can’t wait for LF to finally die. 
But just because tha leeks™ seem to be true, doesn’t mean that they are. Can we please stop acting like the season already aired? D&D know about them and they are obviously playing with us. They keep releasing footage related to the leaks and the only reason I see for them shoving Arya with LF’s dagger right into our faces is to fuck with us. They literally had no reason to include it in her costume for the EW photoshoots or have Maisie lift her arm to make sure we get a good look at it except for “Ha, you idiots 100% believed in those stupid leaks. You even thought we “confirmed” them! Bloody idiots! Got ya!” If you don’t think that’s at least super suspicious, you really are a bloody idiot. 
I’ll put the rest under a cut since you named the one who shall not be named, people still don’t get how tumblr works (guys, look for or follow #dae* and nothing tagged anti-dae* or containing her name will show up. Only things that are actually tagged #dae*. Hashtag(#) is your friend, show it some love by using it) and I don’t want to offend some peoples sensibilities. This isn’t going to be D-friendly, don’t like don’t read.
I agree with you, Jon’s portrayel in the leaks is fucking atrocious. He’s always been my favourite character and I don’t want him to be reduced to the D’s “trophy wife”. The leaks are mostly ridiculous anyway, but in that specific instance they really read like bad D*ny-stan j0nerys fanfiction. 
I am 75% sure that Jon and the D will hook up one way of the other. For one simple reason: I don’t think that D&D would pass up the chance to have a sex scene with Kit and Emilia. I just don’t think it would be anything like described in the leaks. 
The whole wight hunt - dragonpit - boatbang sequence is so so so stupid. It requires so many leaps in logic, absurd decisions and completely unnecessary actions. It’s inconsistent with previously established plot points, it forces the characters to needlessy take high risks and makes them jump all over the place in a way too short period of time. If Jon is supposed to kneel and fall for the D there are way more logical ways to let those events unfold. 
Jon pledging himself to the D because she’s just so awesome™ and he’s so smitten with her makes absolutely no sense. I said it before, the only reason for Jon kneeling is if the D absolutely refuses to help them against the Others if he doesn’t. I could actually see that happening, but it wouldn’t exactly make the D look good, nor would it be the start of some epic romance. As king, Jon has a duty to the north and he is nothing, if not dutiful. All the people who think he will stop caring about his home, his people and his family once the D enters the picture don’t understand his character at all and are obviously ready to shit all over him so their fav gets the hottest guy on the show. There, I said it. 
He has no reason to be on board with the targ-restoration, other than plain survival (again, that would be a dick move). What, the D sends him on a completely unnecessary - Tyrion already sort of believes in the WWs and even in the leaks(!) a message from Bran is enough ot change her mind about it-  suicide wight hunt mission, fries his best friends family (fuck Randyll, but what about Sam’s mom, his sisters and brother?) and Jon will be all “You are the rightful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms and I love you now!” ?! It doesn’t make any sense. 
I’m a strong believer in dark!d*ny and grrm himself has strongly implied that she will go bad. The D was only hyped as a perfect special snowflake so her turning into an antagonist in the final seasons will be shocking to the audience. 
Until proven otherwise, by the actual episodes once they’ve aired, I’m going to assume the leaks are mostly bullshit. D&D are only “confirming” them, so we all will be surprised by the real, actual storyline. I don’t get why HBO would ruin it’s number one franchise in the penultimate season like that and I don’t think grrm would let them butcher a story he’s been working on for +20 years. At least, not the final conclusions and not more than they already have.
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is the boatbang gonna happen this season or the next?
Allegedly it will be this season finale. 
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There are many, many things about the season 7 that leaks that bother me: 
The boatbang, j0nerys portrayed as a pure romance, the dumb dragonpit meeting with mad queen cersei, bran and sam needing all season to figure out who jonnys dad is, the dumb wight hunt, the D burning people alive and everyone being a-okay with it, LF using a stupid letter to set the stark sisters agianst each other, jon giving up the north for the D, etc, etc, ... 
All of this bothers me and would seriously diminish my pleasure in watching the show... if they do happen as described in the leaks. There are ways these things could happen, that I would be fine with. They bother me, they annoy me, some of them make a bit angry, but mostly I will be disappointed. 
BUT 
IF RHAEGAR ACTUALLY FUCKING ANNULLED HIS MARRIAGE TO ELIA (I would be somewhat, sort of, kinda, okay with him taking Lyanna as his second wife, still a fucking dick move, but I would let it slide ....) 
AND CALLED HIS SON WITH LYANNA “AEGON”  WHEN HE ALREADY HAD A SON CALLED “AEGON” (because Lyanna wouldn’t make that decision on her own and his son Aegon was very much alive when he left the tower of joy)
THE SHOW IS DEAD TO ME. 
DEAD. DEAD. DEAD.
I MEAN IT. 
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