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jigsaw173 · 2 years ago

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I just realized this was collecting dust in drafts

planes/cars headcanons I have (u can see how biased I am)

okay so these are just what I like to think so don’t piss on me pls if u disagree or sm 😭 ))

I will add onto this list from time to time!

also will sort it eventually

- dusty and skipper occasionally visit the flysenhower and bring goodies, much to the enjoyment of the sea locked crew

Adding on:

Skipper tells them war stories and teaches them about history

Dusty races them

- the piston peak air attack team probably have snoring problems (idk what it is with firefighters but they always snore so bad)

- dipper once choked on oil because dusty once said “yeah I know I know!” to blade while he was warning him while they were rushing out to a thing

- vehicles are able to modify themselves all the time but it’s seen kinda like coloring ur hair or getting tattoos

also mod car guys are a thing and so are those car shows where everyone gets in a parking lot and pops their hoods

- redbull is on the same bs as usual

- Jackson storm does the thing where low cars gotta drive diagonally over speed bumps and when the older cars first see him do it they’re all like “wtf?” and think it’s a quirky thing until they see others

- the reason rhe crowds are all generic aircraft and cars bc the un-ordinary ones are all busy constantly working

also it’s kind of rare to see them out and about bc of that

especially rarer to see boats and planes in the middle of a city or sm because they aren’t as mobile as cars and forklifts

(car visits propwash, sees Corsair for the first time in person like HOLY)

(Wait would aviation museums still be a thing? Like an old hangar full of artifacts and war vets who live there that you can talk to)

Already mentioned by someone a while ago:

- boats sometimes accidentally swallow water if they’re talking in rough seas and they have to spit it back out cause they aren’t meant to consume seawater (they drink fuel(?)and fuel+water is a big no-no) so sometimes boats with big drafts don’t talk much if the weather is bad

- all the navy characters heavily smell of fuel oil (if I had to describe it it’s what you’d imagine what sweaty asbestos smells like)(ok but real asbestos doesn’t have a smell btw)(unless I’m nose blind)

- nautical and aviation radio comms is a taught class like English is for students in the USA

- sparky is a plane spotter

- they say dinocar instead of dinosaur (I think this is funny even though proven wrong in cars 2)

- Mack and gray eat lunch together and hang out every time their racers are on the track

- strip weathers fin/intake look became an iconic trend at some point when he became a legend

- all the iowa class battleships like to make mickey of eachother and have a sibling-ish relationship, with missouri being like the spoiled child, all fawned over and popular, and New Jersey being like the oldest child with the hard work and is jealous of the Missouri’s attention. the others are like the middle children. wisky is called “anger issues” for ONE particular incident despite not being very angry

- when small(er) planes like dusty aren’t flying and push their engines enough to smoke its an intimidation tactic (also not seen often even while flying in non-racers bc it takes a lot of effort)

so when military jets use afterburner and stuff casually on takeoff or something others are terrified or think somethings wrong (the military aircraft use afterburners and push themselves to the limit so often they don’t really think about it compared to civilians who almost never have to full send it)

- road markings aren’t really paid attention to in smaller towns/communities

“It’s just a guide”

- the other ships in the flysenhowers strike group very much respect him because he’s pretty chill every time they interact

- in spirit of the movie-bravo and echo and the crew have DEFINITELY watched top gun together in the hangar

To add on: bravo was annoying everyone by pointing out the inconsistencies and inaccuracies and echo cried bc of *cough spoilers cough* goose

Highway to the danger zone was banned after tango kept singing it over comms

and delta kinda liked singing it too but refuses to admit it

- planes argue over the use of the word “tarmac”

- the bigger u are the harder it is to move around/express (less mobile/stiff) so that’s why some ships need tugs and some planes (like the airliners) needed the tows

(Again, just what I follow)

siblings/family can mean a lot of things from someone u were built with to someone u were just raised closely with

also the vehicles drink oil but also need to fill up with gas by pump bc they’re meant for diffeeent things

Vehicles can survive on oil without gas but can’t vice versa because the oil is what moves their organic parts while the gas is just meant for the MOVE part and that’s why lightning could still move slightly while out of gas

It’s also why they have bathrooms (for the oil) and gas just burns out instead of passing through

- the admiral likes to watch the horizon for ships or anything interesting and also has incredible vision despite having radars

ships can also somewhat see even with their eyes closed bc of them and so there have been a few blind operational ships

- bigger vehicles don’t need to sleep as often but the world runs on the small vehicle schedule

- cabbie and skipper bond over service stories after dusty introduced them after the airshow

cabbie also introduced skipper to radio scanning

- dipper is distantly related to a navy Martin Mars

- the carriers are publicly seen as nonverbal because they gotta keep up appearances while arriving/leaving port and for advantages during active service but can actually become quite talkative once relaxed/safe

bonus: cars that didn’t know carriers could speak and navy sailors that constantly try to get them to smile/laugh even on duty like the queens guards

- skipper knows how to navigate by stars despite not needing to

- ask sparky anything about warbirds and he will excitedly go into depth about them

- radiator springs used to have an ambulance and a firefighter forklift who worked closely with red before they all moved, leaving him alone

- many vehicles often use their builds/titles/companies as their name while simultaneously having a normal name and while it’s used more professionally it’s also commonly casual (ex: mack, skipper, sheriff, doc, sarge, etc)

- kittyhawk likes to sing sea shanties

he is also a very comforting presence to his crew

- jammer annually thanks the PPAA team as well as rake and Pulaski with a party at the lodge

cabbie gets sad (if he can’t fit) so they’ll bring the party to him and have it outdoors (following safety guidelines to not start a fire of course )

- rake and Pulaski met in training and have been best friends since

- the secretary looks like a deer on PURPOSE

- lots of carriers names are shortened by the crew if theirs is too long or to make them seem more alive

USS Constellation - Connie (thinks it’s clever)

USS Dwight D. Flysenhower - Flysenhower (yeah it’s just the same)

USS Carl Vinson - Carl (doesn’t mind the first name(?)(is it their names??) basis)

USS Saratoga - Sara(h) (kinda likes the nickname)

USS Kittyhawk - Kitty (keeps saying everyone should him ‘hawk’ instead purely because it sounds cooler)

USS John F. Kennedy - JFK (its not the shortest way to say it (john is) but everyone uses it cause they think it’s cooler and it won’t get confused for the john c stennis)(jfk doesn’t care)(rip kittyhawk tho)

USS Nimitz - Nimitz (its short enough already)(doesn’t care about the short name but doesn’t get to brag about what nickname the crew gave them ‘this week’)

And Etc…

- the boats actually kinda like being thought about from time to time and will talk about their crew with other ships

#disney planes #disney cars #planes fire and rescue #cars pixar

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the-frozen-pheonix · 2 years ago

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Tagged by @luceirosdegolados I do love things like this! Feel free to tag me in more! ( Second time working through it as tumblr is not as stable as we want it to be~)

3 ships:

1: The Toradora two are pretty cute. I cried very hard after watching this tbh…

2: The Mary Rose. She doesn’t float anymore but gosh she’s pretty~

3: Iowa Class battleships. They’re not pretty but oh God have you ever heard a boom so beautiful <3

First ship: it was Billy Blaze and Wendy Waters from Rescue Heroes. I was super young and thought they were married for some reasons.

Last song: the entire album tbh

Last movie: It was so good! I couldn’t believe I’d never seen the first one before. Binged them both tbh.

Currently reading: after watching GOT and HOTD I couldn’t help myself!

Currently watching: don’t judge my show count all at once…

Currently consuming: nothing. I lay in bed starving becasue I’m lazy. I may just be here all day tbh. Eat tomorrow morning.

Currently craving: raspberry margarita and grilled cheese. I can’t have any right now due to my training :,)

Tagging: @amayak19 @alexandraxsuoh @sincerepinkhibiscusrightear @autumn-the-punk @the-expatriate @sunshine-and-blue-roses @kilikrungpotmeister @sassrah-draws @most-beautiful-red-rose @adore-akaashi

Sorry to bother all of you! You don’t have to do this if you don’t want but I would love to get to know y’all more ^^!

tag 9 people you’d like to get to know better

thank you @louwhose for the tag!!

3 ships: zelink (who else), victuuri, midzel specifically twilight princess

first ever ship: me and link tbh i was like 9 and just discovered twilight princess

last song: orgy for one by ninja sex party

last movie: not sure if this counts as a movie but the documentary “fantastic fungi” on netflix

currently reading: various fanfictions, but just started rereading Alone With You by the lovely @deiliamedlini

currently watching: whatever game grumps compilations come up in my recommended on youtube

currently consuming: idk if this means food or media so i’ll answer both. for food i just got a sausage and egg breakfast burrito (no cheese i dont like cheddar cheese) that i’m about to demolish. for media i’ve been playing minecraft like it’s 2012 and they just added ocelots

currently craving: breakfast burrito so like good thing i just went and got one

tags: i don’t know 9 people so @cityofperpetualgloom @feralratkid @niobiummm and anyone else who wants to participate!! <3

#Don’t watch Toradora after your fiancé breaks your heart #I have a plush of a dog that was on the mary rose #ever hugged a shell bigger than your body?#it’s fun #such a sad song #perfect for Freeze #edgy lil butt he is #I’m so happy to see Daniel Craig expanding his horizons after James Bond!#I like elden rings story better #but I’m biased when it comes to his works #cheese #OOC

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lonestarbattleship · 3 years ago

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What are your thoughts on battleships like the Nelson and Dunkerque classes that put all their main guns at the front? Was this practical, or a bad idea?

I think they were the direction battleships were heading to, had the Navies continued to build them. There are plenty of advantages to having all of the turrets concentrated in one area of the ship versus having a turret farm.

For one, it allows for the armored citadel (the inner armored section that protects the powder and shell) to be concentrated instead of being spread throughout the ship. This is not to say the propulsion plant won't be armored too, it just allows for a lower grade armor. This lesson was learned during the Battle of Jutland, as a single hit that made it to the magazine would ignite it. The resultant explosion ignited the other magazines leading to a ship at the bottom of the sea real fast.

Another advantage, it eliminated the placing a turret in or around the machinery/propulsion plant. The number one compliant about magazines close to the boiler rooms was the heat for the crews working inside them.

The downsize, it did leave the battleship with no rear facing turrets. The Royal Navy's answer to this was "we don't run away from a fight." But realistically, most battleship engagements are at broadsides. This was true after WWII, when the battleship only role was shore bombardment.

There were some discussions in the US Navy and other Navies for a post WWII battleship design that pointed towards a forward turrets only design. Some of the plans for the last two Iowas, Illinois and Kentucky, called for the rear turret to be replaced with missile systems.

Even in the 1980s when the 4 Iowas were reactivated, the Phase II plans called for the rear turret to be replaced with a flight deck/hanger space.

In short, I think it's a fine design choice.

Thanks for the ask anon.

#ask #anon #battleship #Nelson Class #Richelieu Class #Iowa Class #my post

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joezworld · 4 years ago

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Sentient vehicle headcanon - The Falklands war

Normally I try to tell these headcanons in a manner similar to Wikipedia - only keeping the relevant details. However, this one is so insane that even in my head, I feel it needs to be told differently.

So, for the purposes of this headcanon, pretend that this is being told to you by your friend, who is desperately trying to appear normal while telling you about a Wikipedia article he just read.

So, this entire story is fucking insane - there’s so much that goes on, lemme just start at the beginning.

So, the UK owns these little islands off the coast of Argentina in the middle of goddamn nowhere. The Argentinians really don’t like this because the islands are much closer to them and they say that they own it - but it’s like that one Eddie Izzard bit - do you have a flag? - And the brits did and the Argentinians didn’t, so everybody said that england had the islands.

Naturally this made Argentina very mad, but they didn’t do anything about it because they had shit goin’ on. Because like, all of South America had really bad shit happening to it between the 30′s and the 90′s - so nothing happened.

Until in the 80′s, when Argentina had a military dictatorship called a Junta - which led through the very nice and normal way of ‘taking anyone they didn’t like and throwing them out of helicopters’ - the government had basically spun up their propaganda mill to the point where they actually believed that they could take the Falklands and the British wouldn’t do anything!

And they did this in 1982, which is like the exact wrong time to piss off the UK, because they used to be the biggest empire the world has ever seen, and then in like the last 20 years they lost India and Pakistan, had to give Canada their constitution back, and they were about to do the same to Australia and New Zealand, and they had basically signed Hong Kong back over to the Chinese.

-And you know *spoiler alert* they didn’t give Hong Kong back, but at the time they thought they were gonna! -

And so this means that the UK is feeling really bad about itself going into this whole thing, and then this punk-ass little country with like two ships in its navy tries to start shit because they think that The Queen won’t do anything.

Except, they aren’t dealing with the Queen, they’re dealing with Margaret Thatcher - who will kill you, your dog, your family, and anybody who ever sold you a cannoli if she thinks it’ll make England strong.

So - even from this point, the Argentinians are gonna die, but what happens next is so out-of-left-field that it’s astounding.

So, let’s roll back the clock a few weeks and The USS Montana is about to get involved.

So, Montana is this pugnacious old man of a heavy cruiser who’s been with the navy since before World War 1. He has this amazing history going through every war the US has been in - and he’s amazing: when they tried to retire him after the first world war, he told them no, and said he’d raise a pirate flag and follow the sixth fleet around if they didn’t let him stay. So they did, and he served in every war and conflict the US was in until the 80′s.

And this is kinda important, because when he was built, it was before the wars - everything was a bit slower, a bit more laid back, and he actually got a lot of family bonding with the other ships in the Navy and in his class, and it meant that he wasn’t like, sad and miserable and scared when the war happened.

Flash forward to 1946, and the US has just built like hundreds of ships to kill the Axis with, and they did it so quickly that most of these guys went from the drydock to the battlefield with no real training or anything - so they were really fucked up when they came back.

So, when Montana sees this, he decides that he’s basically going to be the father figure that everyone didn’t have - and basically makes most of the navy his kids - like straight up his sons and daughters, no questions asked. And he did this for almost every ship the Navy built between 1950 and the 80′s.

Which means that basically the entire US Navy loves him unconditionally.

Like, I can’t stress this enough - he was their dad - he taught Iowa class battleships how to go fishing, he gave the birds and the bees talk to submarines, like, everything he did was for his kids or for his country.

And so, one day in 1982, he gets a call from one of his kids who’s moved down to Argentina - which I need to point out that a lot of US ships went down to South America in the 40s and 50s, but a lot of them did that because they were fucked up from WW2, and most of them didn’t get to know Montana very well - so they weren’t ‘his kids’.

But one of them was, and he calls up his dad and says “Hey dad, uhh, my bosses have really started to believe their own BS and they think that they can take on the UK - and I think that I’m gonna die, because I work with these people and we are not gonna be able to win this. Please help me.”

And so Montana tells him to calm down, and he’s gonna get him out of this. And then he goes to his bosses at the navy, says he’s using some leave time to go rescue his kid, and the Navy realizes that they’re never gonna be able to talk him out of this, so they call up the chain to Washington and cut him some orders that say that he’s a ‘neutral observer’ so that nobody shoots at him.

And this seems like its all going to go just fine, except that several ships in the Argentinian Navy were made by the West Germans, and have NO IDEA who this guy is - because even the American ships who aren’t his kids still know him, because how can you not.

And so he makes it almost all the way to Argentina when one of the Argentinian submarines - who was German - sees him, has no idea who he is, doesn’t know about the neutral observer thing because the Argentine Navy is a clusterfuck, and sinks him! And he dies!

And I can- I- This is so bad!

Because now, the US NAVY is involved.

And They. Are. Pissed.

Because Their DAD JUST GOT MURDERED!!!!!!

And the Argentinians have no idea what’s happening - they have no idea that this guy is important or that he even got sunk! Because the submarine just assumed he was English and called in that he’d sunk a British advance party or something, and it takes like a week for the Americans to put two and two together, so for a while, nobody knows what’s happened - it’s like they’ve stepped on a land mine and it hasn’t gone off yet.

But because no one knows the enormity of the shitstorm the Argentinians are gonna be facing yet, the British are still mobilizing - they didn’t do what the Americans did and set up a network of navy and air bases all over the world in case they need to kick someone’s ass in the future - and all the countries around the south Atlantic either hate them, or are former colonies who really hate the English. So they have to schlep everything they need to fight a war alllll the way down from England to Argentina - which is like the furthest distance you can go without running into the British Empire it’s so far why.

And so the Royal Navy has to call in the civilian reserve fleet, which is a bunch of ocean liners and container ships who really would rather be flagged under any other nation right now, but they’re not!, so they have to go basically become war-adjacent for a while - just hanging out in the frigid North Atlantic until the Royal Navy finishes kicking ass and taking names and then they can go home.

Except.

EXCEPT THAT

The Argentine Navy is a bunch of suicidal morons!

Because they saw that the British didn’t have enough logistics vessels and was requisitioning ferry boats and ocean liners and had a brainwave:

¡ Hey ! ¡ If we shoot at these unarmed ferry boats and container ships, not only will the Brits not have any logistical support, but they might get scared and go home!

Which sounds like a good plan, until you realize that the Royal Navy is not pleased that they have to bring civilian ships into battle - like the aircraft carriers and the destroyers see this as ‘a stain on their character’ for having to ‘endanger civilians unduly’ because they’re posh and they’re English but also they’re right - this is not a place for civvies - Exocet missiles are gonna be flying around, it’s not safe.

Also, the Royal Navy had a very dim view of this whole conflict, because they thought it was pointless to sail halfway across the ocean just to fight over a tiny island with 3 people on it - if they wanted to expand the empire just invade Ireland or something.

- Now, that sounds bad, but this was the 80′s - The Troubles were ongoing, and in the Royal Navy at least, they liked the Irish a lot less than the Argentinians! -

Also, Ireland was closer.

But anyways, the RN ships at least had a rather dim view of the whole conflict, right up until the SS Atlantic Conveyor took an Exocet to the fuckin’ face.

And he dies.

And this is almost as bad as sinking Montana, because Atlantic Conveyor had this really unique ability to make friends with anyone, and had spent most of the voyage down basically being the flotilla’s morale officer.

So when he dies, this stops being a token effort to restore British Sovereignty, and starts being The Royal Navy Wants You Dead.

Which, on its own, would have meant that Argentinian Navy would have been wiped from the face of the earth - because the Royal Navy wasn’t leaving until everyone was dead. It didn’t matter if it was a tugboat with a handgun - there would be no more Argentinian Navy when they were done.

Now.

Meanwhile in America, while the Royal Navy is still steaming down to the Islands, words starts to get around that someone killed Dad.

And this went over exactly as well as you think it would.

The ships of the US Navy reacted calmly and coolly, and didn’t cry or scream or plot revenge.

They totally didn’t.

Except that they totally did, and spent a few days gathering every bullet, shell, round, and torpedo they could find, before leaving with the intent of finding and killing everyone in the Argentinian military.

Now, that might sound like a generalization, but it wasn’t.

There were somewhere around 370 ships in the US Navy at that time, and about 280 of them were capable of reaching Argentina without leaving the US vulnerable to an attack - plus about another 200 or so that had retired from the navy or transferred to other nations but still kept in touch.

So that’s about 500 battleships, destroyers, submarines, amphibious assault ships, support vessels, aircraft carriers, tankers, oilers, troop transports, guided missile cruisers and the Presidential Yacht.

All of them went to Argentina. Every last one of them.

And no-one believed it!

The British thought it was a joke, and the Argentinians thought it was counter-intelligence!

The ENTIRE US NAVY just up and left to kick someone’s ass! That doesn’t happen! That didn’t happen in WW2! This has never happened before or since in US history! Even when the US Navy was a bunch of sailboats in Philadelphia nobody did that!

And So, that’s how it was - the US Navy was steaming down en mass to fuck up the Argentinians, the Royal Navy was hopping mad, and the Argentinians didn’t even know anything was going to happen!

Also, before I forget, also on top of all this - Atlantic Conveyor was friends with a bunch of ocean liners, and because they’re all fucking insane - Normandie spent WW2 fucking up U-Boats in the Caribbean, and the United States sailed into a Cat 5 hurricane, and Olympic is one of the reasons that Singapore got kicked out of Malaysia - so, they all decided that their friend dying was worth fighting for, and they got together and steamed down to the South Atlantic at the same time the Americans were, and set like 9 speed records in the process because of course they did.

So, now that there’s essentially three giant navies coming down to kick their asses, the Argentinians finally begin to clue in on something being wrong - like, there were a couple of Soviet Trawlers that were parked offshore, and they claimed to be fishing but in reality they were spying - and they had these giant radio masts that they’d put up whenever orders came down from Moscow.

And one day, the Argentinians watched from their spy planes as the masts went up slowly, then got taken down very quickly, and then they watched as the two spy trawlers went racing off towards Africa.

And they wondered why they were going towards Africa, because the soviet union is the other way - you need to steam around the edge of South America, until they called down to Ushuaia - in Tierra Del Fuego, and heard that what looked like half the US Navy was coming round the tip of South America.

And it looked like that because it was! Because half of the US Navy had sailed down from the pacific to cut off any way of escape!

It was only now, at this incredibly late time, that the Argentinians realized exactly how Fucked they were.

Now, at this point, a smart man would have given up - but Galtierei was not.

So naturally the Argentinians kept fighting for a whole week before they all just died.

And it wasn’t in normal “get shot with a missile and sink” ways either - like, one of their cruisers fired on a ship, and it turned out to be the USS Missouri, who was right next to the other three Iowa Class battleships, and they all targeted this ship, and made him disappear because that’s what happens when the four biggest battleships on earth shoot at you at once.

Or, the Submarines - the one that sank Montana got chased by 4 Los Angeles class attack subs and ended up getting pushed beneath his crush depth - not hit with a torpedo, PUSHED. The other one, meanwhile, tried to shoot at one of the Ocean Liners, and ended up getting sunk by them! Which is incredible, because Nobody expected that to happen, least of all the Liners, and yet they just totally went in and contributed - which actually means that there’s a third “belligerents” column for the Wikipedia page for this, and it’s just them.

So the war actually ended on kind of an anti-climax, because after the US just steamrolled the Argentinians, there wasn’t anything left to do. The Brits landed more troops at Port Stanley, and then they just sort of went home.

Most of the Americans did too, but they also went and installed a new government in Argentina!

Which, as the rumor goes, the Navy did that without asking anyone, and BOY O BOY was the State Department Upset - I think a lot of people got fired or demoted for that.

But it did turn out well in the end, because unlike every other time the US tried to install a leader, it actually went rather well, and the guy they put in charge left when he lost his re-election, and now Argentina is a democratic ally and a partner in Peace!

Who still claim that they own the Falklands

#long #really long #very long #extremely specific headcanon #falklands war #headcanon #boat headcanon #war headcanon #I wrote this one for me #and nobody else #US Navy #argentina #Royal Navy #having sentient boats messes with so many historical events #sentient vehicle headcanon

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wakingfromthewater · 5 years ago

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Me as I approach the social gathering: Okay, this is a fresh start. You can meet some new people! Turn a new leaf! Really put yourself out there as the fun and sociable person you're trying to be!

Me, 30 minutes later: ...but this is a misconception that's frankly based on Allied propaganda. The Bismarck's guns were only fifteen inches when the Yamato had sixteen inch guns, and that's nothing compared to an American Iowa class battleship. Obviously it did sink the Hood which was very bad for Britain and just like the Allies in general but what I'm saying is it's important to understand the Bismarck's significance in terms of actual seapower in the Atlantic and also in the North Sea which I think we in the US tend to forget about. Now, ship size is measured by gross registered tonnage, GRT for short and the Treaty of Versailles –

#you should read that second paragraph in a fast and enthusiastic voice because that's how i talk

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erindrifter · 6 years ago

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USS Wisconsin BB-64

WHO WANTS TO LEARN SOME FUCKIN HISTORY????

See this gorgeous piece of ship? This is the USS Wisconsin BB-64. She is an Iowa Class Battleship, one of four that were ever completed. They were commissioned for WW2, but before the entire line was completed, the war ended. Two were begun, one was in early enough stages of construction that they just took it apart, the other was just left there until they figured something out. Roughly 10 years later, they figured something out for her.

In the 1950s, the Wisconsin was sailing alongside a Destroyer Class ship, the USS Eaton. There was a VERY significant fog coverage, and the two ships couldn't actually see each other. At one point, the Eaton thought they saw a man overboard, and turned to fish him out.

They turned directly into the path of the Wisconsin.

Now, the Eaton is a Destroyer Class ship. It looks like this:

(picture taken from internet)

You would logically think that a Destroyer Class ship would be pretty hard to break, right? So, here's the damage done to the Wisconsin:

(picture taken from the internet)

Pretty bad, right? She spent 6 weeks in dry dock to get fixed. Here is the damage done to the Eaton:

(picture taken from the internet)

It's a bit of an old picture, so it's kinda hard to see. But that black spot on the front shouldn't be there. Our tour guide for the Wisconsin was ON the Eaton during this event, and he described the damage as this: "The Wisconsin almost tore us in half." The Eaton spent 6 months in dry dock for repairs.

I mentioned that the ship that was nearly complete would become important. This is when that is. The USS Kentucky, the would-be fifth Iowa Class ship donated her bow to the Wisconsin, so they didn't have to make one from scratch.

The Wisconsin served in both the Vietnam War, and the Persian Gulf Wars (fun fact, my father served ON the Wisconsin during those wars). After that, she was donated to the Nauticus Museum, but kept in active reserve. But, a couple years ago, she was officially retired. The Wisconsin will never sail again.

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warsofasoiaf · 6 years ago

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The question about the Yamoto brought up something I'd wondered about - were battleships obsolete in WW2? I was wondering if an aspiring sea power in Germany's position (trying to rebuild the military from near-scratch to compete as a first rank power again) would have been well-advised to skip battleships & maybe heavy cruisers and just concentrate on producing and developing subs & carriers, or was there still a place for them, like the infantry & artillery on land?

Obsolete? No. Battleships and other large, heavy-firepower ships still had a few roles to play. As naval mobile artillery, they could still bring a great deal of firepower where needed, for support during operations on islands or during operations where there simply wasn’t enough planes, such as in the Mediterranean. Aircraft had difficultly attacking at night, Iowa-class battleships had a good fire control system, and thus could operate in the dark. Battleships were also more sustainable, taking bombs and staying afloat.

When used correctly, in the right battlegroup, with enough destroyers and cruisers, they could and were used effectively. But the technological situation had begun to pass the battleship by as air power began to improve. So World War 2 was not the death of the battleship, it was simply the final outing before retirement. They were not obsolete, they were obsolescent.

Thanks for the question, Cannoli.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

#history #naval warfare #world war 2 #world war ii #ww2 #wwii #battleship

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nebris · 4 years ago

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What's often not talked about with those phase II or hybrid battleship/carrier conversions of Iowas in the 1980's what to do with the spare turrets. One ideas that was explored was building a new light battleship around them.

“In November 1982, when the Iowa class reactivation were just starting and the elaborate Phase II conversions still seemed possible, a naval architect by the name of Gene Anderson wrote a short article for the US Naval Institute Proceeding proposing a class of “light battleships” built around the four turrets that would be removed from the Iowas in the Phase II process. As far as I know, this was strictly a private notion, not ever seriously considered, but it’s interesting to look at.

The proposed design is ~9000 tons displacement, 400 ft length (oa), 84 ft beam, 22 ft draft. Hull shape is largely inspired by contemporary merchant ships (cruise ship bow above water and bulbous bow underwater), with protection consisting of an unspecified armored box above decks around the machinery and command and control spaces and the usual torpedo blisters, voids/fuel, and a triple bottom below the water.

Propulsion would be 4-6 medium-speed diesels, for 20-25,000 bhp, giving a speed of up to 25 knots (consistent with the need to escort 20+ knot amphibs of the era).

Armament obviously gets the most attention. As described: -One triple 16”/50 turret, sited so it could traverse 270 degrees (blast overpressure on the superstructure would be fierce with the turret traversed fully aft…) -Three to five Mk 45 5-inch guns, with some possibly replaced by Mk 48 8-inch guns or 155mm/50 Vertical Load Gun Mounts firing standard Army/Marine 155mm ammunition. (The drawing has three mounts that look like VLGM, which is probably the most “reasonable” choice here. dit: Mk 48 is a mistake – the author probably meant the Mk 71 8-inch lightweight gun.) -Two Mk 26 launchers (which would certainly have been replaced by VLS if the design had been seriously considered) -Two Phalanx CIWS. (As with other drawings from the era, the shape of Phalanx was not yet known, and an igloo-like structure can be seen standing in for it here). -Sensors are mostly unmentioned, and the drawing shows a fairly basic radar fit. (Taking full advantage of the Standard Missiles in the Mk 26 would call for at least New Threat Upgrade, I would think.) There is supposedly hangar space (in the hull, I assume) for two helicopters as spotters and for other duties as required, including ASW.

Manning is optimistically pegged at about 100 more than an OH Perry frigate (so about 320, of which about 25-30% would be required to operate the 16-inch gun turret.)“

"This ‘light battleship’ (BBL) was suggested by naval architect Gene Anderson for 'Proceedings’ in 1980s. Gene Anderson was one of the 'Iowa’-class assault ship conversion enthusiasts (most of “canon” drawing of “Iowa"s with flight deck on rear are based on his sketches), and he suggested that 16-inch turrets, dismounted from the Iowas during such conversion, could be used on a new, small battleships. Essentially, he wanted to build four ocean-capable monitors, armed with a 16-inch/50 triple turret, several 5-inch DP guns, Mk-26 launchers for SM-1MR missiles and some other systems. He argued that such BBL’s would double the number of available artillery-support warships for the cost of four frigates at most, that they could be used to “show the flag” in peacetime (saving Iowas’ resource) and to support amphibious missions in wartime. Since he was quite respectable naval engineer (and his project was actually well thought-out), ‘Proceedings’ shot it down rather tactfully, publishing a polite but negative review.”

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Abusive Parents: Desmond’s father, a veteran of the first World War, is a physically abusive alcoholic, though the movie goes to lengths to humanize him despite his faults (Mel Gibson himself has problems with alcohol). It is shown quite plainly that he does love his sons and wife, but his experiences in the horror that was the Great War and his subsequent alcoholism have turned him into the person he is. It also helps that he saves Desmond from being court-martialed by presenting a letter from the Brigadier General.

Adorkable: Desmond Doss. Just look at this first interactions with Dorothy in the hospital.

Adult Fear: Desmond’s parents get a heavy dose of this in the beginning when Desmond and Hal get into a fight ending with the former knocking the latter unconscious with a brick. Hal thankfully survives, but Desmond and his mother are aware that Desmond could’ve killed him.

The Alcoholic: Desmond’s father is a slave to the bottle.

Artistic License – Military: During the basic training scenes, none of the recruits have shaved heads, which is the standard for recruits going through boot camp. Given the hard work Gibson put in to make certain the film was as historically accurate as possible, this is very puzzling.

The Atoner:

Badass Pacifist: Doss, a conscientious objector who ends up saving 75 of his comrades during one of the most ferocious battles of the Pacific War as a combat medic. Without firing a single bullet.

Batman Grabs a Gun: Towards the end, Doss is seen picking up a M1 rifle. It’s ultimately subverted as he still stays true to his “Thou Shalt Not Kill” belief and is instead using the rifle as a grip for a makeshift stretcher to evacuate Sergeant Howell.

Bayonet Ya: The Japanese soldiers use their bayonets to make sure their enemies are really dead.

BFG: Smitty Ryker wields a M1918 BAR with lethal effect, mowing down dozens of Japanese soldiers.

Big Damn Heroes: Desmond of course saves the lives of his fellows as a medic. More surprising is when earlier in the film, during Desmond’s trial, his father arrives with a letter from the Brigadier General that exonerates Desmond, saving Desmond from being court-martialed.

Biopic: Of Badass Pacifist Desmond T. Doss.

Blind Alley: Hiding behind a dead corner in the tunnel, Desmond successfully evades capture by the Japanese.

Boom, Headshot: A lot of people take this, and we see the results that aren’t Pretty Little Headshots.

Both Sides Have a Point: The army is not inherently wrong for being anxious about having a soldier who doesn’t want to kill anyone, or even touch a weapon. But Doss, who believes that it would be wrong for him to not be a medic on the battlefield, feels that doing so would violate his religious beliefs, and it’s noted that forcing him to do so would violate the same constitutional rights they are fighting for.

Bottomless Magazines: Some scenes have soldiers firing their guns a lot longer than typical. Most notably with Smitty and his BAR and Sergeant Howell with his M3 “Grease Gun”.

Bulletproof Human Shield: Smitty uses a rather gruesomely mangled corpse of an American soldier as a shield while charging the enemy.

Catapult Nightmare: Desmond has two. In the first, he relives a memory of his fight with his father (see The Atonerabove), waking up abruptly when the gun goes off during the struggle. The second one is during the night on the ridge as he and Smitty are resting in a foxhole. Desmond sees a flare go up overhead and lifts his head to look out of the hole, only to find himself face-to-face with a squad of Japanese soldiers, who then proceed to storm the hole, killing Smitty while one of the soldiers is about to kill Desmond with a bayonet. Desmond wakes up right as he’s about to be killed.

Chekhov’s Skill: Sergeant Howell makes fun of Doss’s double-loop knot, but Doss later uses this knot to help lower wounded soldiers off Hacksaw Ridge … including Sergeant Howell.

Combat Medic: Doss joined the army for this, as despite his religious convictions in regards to killing he did believe the war was justified. However, the army’s job description and his personal belief eventually clashed and led to his court-martial. He eventually fits more in the role as The Medic.

Compressed Adaptation: Some events have been time-compressed.

Cool Boat: The Iowa-class battleship supporting the troops offshore counts, as it saves Doss from getting assaulted by the Japanese at a critical point in the battle.

Cut Himself Shaving: Doss not only refuses to name the men in his unit who beat him during the night, but he goes a step further by denying he was even beaten at all, saying to an astonished Howell, “I sleep pretty hard”.

Daydream Surprise: Desmond has one where he and Smitty are killed by Japanese soldiers. It’s only after his Catapult Nightmare that the scene is revealed to be a dream.

Deliberate Values Dissonance:

Determinator: Doss was resolved to save as many lives as he could, even if there’s just a remote chance of helping them, until he either collapsed or died trying.

Dies Wide Open: Smitty. Doss closes them while in tears.

Doesn’t Like Guns: Desmond’s become allergic to guns as a result of his traumatic confrontation with his dad when trying to protect his mom.

Domestic Abuser: Desmond’s father would sometimes be physically abusive to Desmond’s mother.

Do Not Do This Cool Thing: Stated in-film by Tom Doss, Desmond’s father, when he lectures his son about how everyone wanted to do the cool thing, and then die from it.

Drill Sergeant Nasty: Naturally, Sergeant Howell mocks Doss for his pacifist convictions during training. He also ends up turning the rest of his squad against Doss for claiming he doesn’t want to pick up a gun because he’s a coward. However, after Doss gets beaten up by his squad members, Howell takes pity on Doss and shows greater respect for his principles. But he still believes Doss doesn’t belong in the army and should quit.

Drowning My Sorrows: A defining characteristic of Desmond’s father.

Earn Your Happy Ending: After going through absolute hell to rescue the 75 men, Doss earns the respect and admiration of his comrades and superiors and eventually gets back to the US where he lives a long happy life with Dorothy and their son Tommy on a small farm in northwestern Georgia, despite his injuries and the lingering effect of the tuberculosis he contracted during the war. Desmond and Dorothy were together for just shy of 50 years, until her death in 1991. Desmond remarried Frances Duman in 1993, and remained with her until his death in 2006 at the age of 87.

Et Tu, Brute?: Desmond suffers a moment of this when even Dorothy calls him prideful for being unwilling to at least hold a gun. She quickly takes it back though, realizing that she loves him because his principles make him different.

Expy: Smitty Ryker resembles Richard Reiben from Saving Private Ryan. Both are athletically built BAR gunners with generally abrasive personalities and initially butt heads with the protagonist of the film until finally resolving their differences during the concluding battle of their respective films. Unlike Reiben however, Ryker does not survive the story.

Fire-Forged Friends: Doss and Smitty Ryker start off very antagonistic, even before Doss’s status as a conscientious objector was revealed, but they end up being close to another to the point Doss refuses to abandon his dead body even when in imminent danger of getting killed by the Japanese.

Foregone Conclusion: Those aware of Doss’ achievements know that he’ll survive the horror of Okinawa.

Get It Over With: In his Troubled Backstory Flashback, we see Desmond pointing a gun at his drunk father who begs him to pull the trigger.

Gorn: It’s a film about World War II directed by Mel Gibson; this is to be expected. The battle sequences are drenched in horrific, bloody, realistic violence. People have their limbs blown off, intestines spilling out of their bodies, bodies exploding in bloody fashions, exposed nerves and bones and a decapitation. The camera does not look away from any of this.

Grave-Marking Scene: After Desmond enlists, he confronts his father about his decision at the cemetery where his father’s three best friends are buried, all killed in the battlefields in France during the Great War. Thomas revels over the anguish he’s faced in the wake of their deaths, and does not wish to face the same with his sons.

Grenade Hot Potato: During the Japanese fake surrender scene, Doss sees two Japanese hand grenades coming and smacks one away with his palm and kicks the other away, but one ends up wounding him.

Heroic B.S.O.D.: Doss has one after Smitty’s death. He asks God what he should do and finds his answer in saving as many injured as he can.

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How We Got Here: The film begins with Desmond being carried on a gurney. Then, the scene cuts to him as a child.

I Have a Family: A wounded soldier frantically says he has kids when another medic soldier tells Desmond to give the solider some morphine and leave him. Desmond gives the wounded soldier some morphine, but doesn’t leave him.

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Irony: A pacifist soldier ends up saving the lives of over 75 soldiers, even after being branded as a coward and even beaten by many of them.Sergeant Howell: Private Doss does not believe in violence. Do not look to him to save you on the battlefield.

I Surrender, Suckers: A group of Japanese soldiers emerge waving a white flag, but then toss grenades at the Americans.

Jerkass Has a Point: Jerks they may be, the men in army are right that a battlefield isn’t the best place for a pacifist.Captain Glover: If one of them attacks you and some wounded soldier, what are you gonna do? Hit him with your Bible?

Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Smitty. He acts quite assholish to Desmond because of the latter’s nonviolent beliefs, even smacking him with his bible. He was also against another group of men for beating up Doss for the reason. And later on, he proves to be quite brave and selfless in battle, and even admits that he can be an asshole.

Jumped at the Call: Desmond Doss does this and enlists in the Army despite his pacifist beliefs. He states that he could’ve just stayed home working at a plant, but felt it was his duty to go out and that it wasn’t right to sit at home peacefully while boys go out and fight and those who couldn’t waste away at home.

Jumping on a Grenade: One American soldier contains a grenade’s blast by forcing an enemy soldier to jump on one. Another protects his company by trapping a grenade between the enemy and himself, though he doesn’t die and is recovered by Doss later.

Kiss-Kiss-Slap: Desmond kissing Dorothy without her concent - yet also without much resistance - lands him a slap afterwards.

The Lady’s Favour: Before heading off to Basic Training, Dorothy gives Desmond a compact Bible with a picture of her inside. He loses it after he gets hit by a grenade, but his comrades manage to recover it from the battlefield and give it to him before he is shipped to a hospital.

Libation for the Dead: Opens with Tom Doss pouring out some whiskey at the gravesite of his fallen comrades from World War I.

Love at First Sight: Desmond falls for Dorothy the first moment he sees her.

Ludicrous Gibs: As covered under Gorn, and being in a battle as bloody as the one from Saving Private Ryan, both the struggles and post-struggle battlefields are a messy shower of dismembered bodies.

Made of Iron: Andy “Ghoul” Walker. In the first assault on Hacksaw, he gets blown away by a mortar round and comes off with a head bump. Later, he gets wounded again in the Japanese counter-attack. Despite that, he still is present in the final assault on Hacksaw at the end of the film.

Man on Fire: The Americans use flamethrowers, and there are several shots of men in flames running about as well as scenes showing still-burning corpses.

Meaningful Echo: When Doss makes a double-loop knot at basic training, Howell mocks it by saying he’s supposed to be “tying a bowline, not building a bra”. Doss jokingly repeats it back to Howell as he uses the same loop to lower Howell down the ridge to safety.

The real reason for Desmond refusing to hold a gun was because he nearly killed his father with his own gun after having enough of his abuse to his mother and himself and despite having all the hate in the world for his father, he doesn’t kill him and this incident shames him from ever holding a gun.

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Desmond was not actually wounded and evacuated in a daylight assault at Hacksaw Ridge. He was wounded a couple of weeks later in the Okinawa Campaign.

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After Doss’ first date with Dorothy, he kisses her without consent, resulting in a smack. While it does show that even she found it creepy and unsettling and was ultimately quick to dismiss it, his actions does show how differently they treated things like this back in the 1940s.

Given the time period, the racial slur for Japanese people, “Japs”, is used quite frequently.

During the Japanese counter-attack, a few soldiers take mortar shells, clang the primer on their helmets, and throw them at the incoming Japanese troops.

Inverted when Doss uses an M1 Garand as a grip for a makeshift stretcher for Sergeant Howell, never using it to fire at his enemies.

Messianic Archetype: Doss’s dedication to saving people comes from his religious belief, so the movie frames him as a Christ figure. This is a favorite trope of Mel Gibson’s, and he employs a lot of Christological imagery.

A Minor Kidroduction: After the How We Got Here scene, Desmond (with his brother, Hal) is seen as a child a scene later.

Missing Mom: Smitty tells Desmond that his mother left him at an orphanage as a child and he’s never seen her since.

Momma’s Boy: Desmond gets his strong faith from his mother. The reason he starts his belief on never holding a gun is because of his actions trying to protect her mother from his father.

Mr. Fanservice: The only reason to have Milt ‘Hollywood’ in the picture.

Multiple Demographic Appeal: The first act centers around the love story between Desmond and Dorothy which clearly caters to the female audience while the second and third act are depicting the brutal reality of war which is more appealing to the male audience.

My God, What Have I Done?: Sergeant Howell is clearly shocked when seeing the beating Doss received from the other men in his unit, and knows a lot of the blame is on him since he’d been repeatedly telling the men they couldn’t rely on Doss to help them in combat, and punishing the entire unit for Doss refusing to pick up a rifle or work on Saturdays. Situations like this are the very reason why it is now strictly forbidden to punish an entire unit for the actions of one member.

Naked People Are Funny: Milt 'Hollywood’ Zane suffers from this after Sergeant Howell forces him to complete training while naked.

Narrating the Obvious: Just so the audience knows what going on, Desmond says out loud “We just lost our cover.” when the Navy ends its bombardment of the battle field.

Never Give the Captain a Straight Answer: Played literally when a private calls Captain Glover to make him aware of 'Hollywood’ and other injured having returned from the battle field via Doss’ hands.Private: Captain. There’s something you gotta see.

The Nicknamer: Sergeant Howell during the start of boot camp assigns several nicknames, a few stick like 'Ghoul’ and 'Hollywood’. Desmond also earns the name 'Cornstalk’.

No-Holds-Barred Beatdown: Several draftees of Doss’ unit beat him to a pulp at the training camp for his refusal to fight as it caused them to suffer as well.

No One Gets Left Behind: This is Doss’s raison d'être after the first battle. Resolved to save as many lives as he can before either collapsing from exhaustion or dying, he continuously pushes on regardless of his own safety. When he’s finally forced to flee, he takes Smitty’s body with him.

Not Afraid to Die: Even before setting foot anywhere near Hacksaw Ridge, Desmond is fully prepared to give his life for his country and the men he served alongside with, exemplified by the fact that he was willing and daring to die unarmed.

Oh, Crap!: Doss has this moment while he’s pulling wounded off the battlefield after the other troops have pulled back. The Navy ends its bombardment because there are still soldiers on the ridge, but for Doss, the explosions were the primary things forcing the Japanese soldiers to keep their heads down and the dust and smoke raised by them kept him from being seen.Doss: We just lost our cover!

Orbital Kiss: Downplayed. When Desmond and Dorothy kiss on the mountain top, the camera does a 180° turn around them.

Papa Wolf: Desmond’s father fought his way into the military proceedings to deliver a letter to the judge that would keep Desmond from getting court-martialed.

Peek-A-Boo Corpse: Desmond’s Oh, Crap! moment when bumping into a hanged Japanese in the tunnel system underneath the battle field.

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Pocket Protector: Surprisingly averted. The attention given to Dorothy’s bible opened up the possibility for it to play a larger role in saving Desmond’s life but it didn’t come to be.

Pre-Asskicking One-Liner: Captain Glover delivers one for his company in the final assault attempt at Hacksaw.Glover: Let’s go to work.

Punch a Wall: While incarcerated at Fort Jackson, Desmond finds himself backed into a corner, being treated like a coward, a traitor and now a criminal just because he WON’T kill, pushing him close enough to the breaking point that he dukes it out with a brick wall.

Reactive Continuous Scream: The first day on the ridge, the unit’s cover is blown when a “corpse” sits up and screams, causing the soldier facing him to scream as well. This goes on for a couple of seconds until both are killed by enemy gunfire.

Reality Is Unrealistic: Mel Gibson decided not to include some of the more unbelievable aspects to the story.

A Real Man Is a Killer: Doss does his very best to avert this.

Redemption Equals Death: Smitty dies in battle not long after he and Doss bond and move past their initial antagonism.

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Runaway Groom: Discussed. The priest at Desmond’s and Dorothy’s wedding mentions this trope as a possible reason for Desmond’s no show.

Save the Villain: During his excursion in the Japanese tunnel system, Doss ends up face to face with a wounded Japanese soldier. After a moment of registration, Doss simply applies first-aid onto the enemy soldier despite knowing full well what the Japanese could do if they found him. Also noted is that the Americans picking up the wounded that were lowered down from Hacksaw Ridge mentioned that Doss not only lowered down their fellow soldiers, but wounded Japanese as well.

Say Your Prayers: Desmond draws strength and courage from his faith through prayer through the ordeal he faced at Hacksaw Ridge. The second attack is held up for 10 minutes because Desmond was still busy praying.

Seppuku: The closing scenes of the battle on the ridge show the Japanese commanders going through this to show that, this time, they really have been defeated.

“Shaggy Dog” Story: During the Japanese counter-attack, Doss encounters an injured medic from the unit that merged with Doss’. He attempts to administer aid, but the medic insists that the plasma infusion should go to someone who needs it more than he does. Doss then finds a wounded Andy “Ghoul” Walker and administers aid with the plasma, but a stray bullet ends up shattering the container. In the aftermath of the battle back at the wound station, it was revealed that the medic who refused the plasma didn’t make it because he ended up going into shock due to lack of plasma.

Shell-Shocked Veteran: Desmond’s father is this, having witnessed horrors during the Great War.

Shell-Shock Silence: Desmond has such a moment at his first visit to the hospital when all voices around him drown out as he is looking around the busy emergency room.

Shoot the Medic First: As per the environment of the Pacific War, a fellow combat medic points out to Doss that the Japanese put a premium on medics, and he advises Doss to remove all medic markings while giving Doss a helmet without a cross.

Survival Mantra: Doss carries on through the night seeking out surviving wounded men and carrying them to the ridge by repeating “Please Lord, help me get one more.”

Survivor Guilt: Desmond’s father is hinted to have this, as he lost his three closest childhood friends on the battlefields in France during the First World War.

Sympathy for the Devil: Desmond’s father may be a physically abusive alcoholic, but one can’t help but feel sorry for him as more of his past is seen. He served in the Great War, in which he bore witness to seeing his best friends killed and now feels he’s the only one who seems to bother remembering them. He’s not abusive towards his family just for the sake of it and he clearly does love them, it’s just that he’s in so much pain inside that he can’t help being what he is.

Thousand-Yard Stare: Some of the fellow soldiers Desmond and his troop encounter during their arrival at Hacksaw Ridge have this blank look on their faces due to the horrors they have witnessed.

Thou Shalt Not Kill: Doss’s conviction through and through. He is even a vegetarian because of it.

Title Drop: “That’s our objective! Hacksaw Ridge!”

Troubled Backstory Flashback: The traumatic incident where Desmond points a gun at his father is explored in two flashback scenes.

Very Loosely Based on a True Story: A number of events were changed or left out of the movie:

Vomit Indiscretion Shot: One American soldier pukes on-screen.

War Is Hell:

“Where Are They Now?” Epilogue: The film ends with video and photos explaining what happened to Desmond after Hacksaw, along with clips from interviews with the real-life Desmond, his brother Hal, and Captain Jack Glover. Desmond was later awarded the Medal of Honor by Harry S. Truman for his courageous actions at Hacksaw Ridge, was married to Dorothy until her death in 1991, and passed away in 2006 at the age of 87.

You Have Got to Be Kidding Me!: Sergeant Howell’s reaction twice to Doss using a M1 rifle to make a makeshift stretcher and to Doss using a double-loop knot (which Howell had mocked during training) to lower him from the top of the ridge.

Zerg Rush: True to World War II Japan, the Japanese soldiers attempt a Banzai charge that only ends up being stopped by a battleship dropping shots directly on the battle area.

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After his second day at Hacksaw Ridge when he is med-evac’ed, Doss’ trip down on a gurney is shot as though he was ascending into heaven.

Sergeant Howell, whose has been one of the many military personnel to give Desmond a hard time because of his nonviolent beliefs, is visibly disturbed at the beating Desmond took by some of the other men. And, for the first time, he gently tries to persuade Desmond to just pick up a gun.

As much of a Jerkass Smitty was during boot camp, even he felt that some of the other men attacking Doss in the middle of the night while he was sleeping was taking things too far.

Smitty offers one of his cigarettes to one of the soldiers who has been at Hacksaw Ridge longer and is traumatized by it.

After being injured and taken off the battlefield, Doss actually rolled off the stretcher when he noticed a man more injured than him and demanded they take him instead. While they were gone, he was shot by a sniper, shattering his left arm, and he crawled 300 yards by himself in the hellfire of battle to safety. This was omitted because Gibson feared that nobody would believe that had happened.

While lowering men down the ridge, a Japanese soldier had Doss in his sights several times, and every time he did, his gun jammed, preventing him from shooting him. This was also omitted amidst fears of unbelievability.

Doss has the idea to cover an injured comrade and himself with dirt to hide from incoming Japanese soldiers.

The Japanese are revealed to have the entire ridge tunneled, allowing them to show up anywhere.

While dodging enemy fire, Doss hides inside a Japanese tunnel, where he must dodge more enemy soldiers. In one corridor, patrols miss him because he uses the darkness to his advantage by standing in a corner facing the wall and possibly because the Japanese never expected an American inside said tunnel.

The event of Desmond almost shooting his father after a fight with his mother. In real life the fight was between Desmond’s father and his uncle, and his mother stepped in to take away the gun, getting Desmond to hide it. Desmond also had an older sister, Audrey, who was not portrayed in the film.

Desmond didn’t meet Dorothy while she was a nurse at a hospital. In fact she didn’t become a nurse until after the war. They met when she came to his church selling Adventist books. He also didn’t miss their wedding by being put in a holding cell, as they were already married by that point.

Desmond’s prior combat at the Battle of Guam and the Battle of Leyte is skipped over, making it seem as if the Battle of Okinawa was his first combat experience.

The assault on Hacksaw Ridge seems to only last a few days, although Desmond’s Medal of Honor citation covers events over about 3 weeks, and the Battle of Okinawa itself lasted 82 days.

There are also the events covered above under Reality Is Unrealistic which were left out as Mel Gibson felt the audience wouldn’t believe them as part of a true story.

The film does not shy away from any of the gore and savagery that happens between the Japanese and the Americans in the fight for Hacksaw Ridge.

Doss’s father invokes this when both his sons sign up for active service, as Desmond’s younger brother Harold enlisted in the Navy. Having survived the Great War, he naturally doesn’t want them to go into battle only to suffer as he did, and tells them that whatever they might think of war, it’s infinitely worse than they can possibly imagine.

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fapangel · 7 years ago

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So we end up flattening Shagrat Airbase. Is there anything stopping Syria from sinking the Bush in response?

Well, lets see. Is there?

This is an Arleigh-Burke class destroyer. It’s a modern air-warfare destroyer, which means it’s mainly designed to carry a fuck-ton of anti-aircraft missiles, to shoot down aircraft, and incoming hostile anti-ship cruise missiles. Newer marks also carry two large helicopters, which make it a potent anti-submarine platform as well.

It does many things, but first and foremost it’s designed to protect the carrier.

This is a Ticonderoga-class cruiser. This ship is designed, from the keel-up, for one job, and one job only. It has more VLS cells than a Burke (a full 122 to a Burke’s 96,) but most importantly its increased size houses more computers and crew for operating the Aegis Combat System, a sophisticated computer network that links all the other ships in the fleet using it (such as Burkes, the carrier, any and all aircraft launched by ships or carrier, etc.,) and use that data to co-ordinate the sensors and weapons systems of every ship in the fleet to track and engage incoming targets. This floating command post’s Aegis system (Aegis = “shield” in ancient Greek) had its origins in the New Threat Upgrade systems first developed when rapidly advancing electronics tech in the early 80s was making cruise missiles smart enough that ECM couldn’t just make them do loop-de-loops. This is when missiles were first optimized not for engaging cruise missiles heading towards the launching ship, but for engaging missiles heading for other ships that were not them, by flying “lead” pursuits required to engage crossing targets, rather than the old and very inefficient/ineffective “lag” pursuits.

In short, the “one job” this ship is built to do is to protect another ship - the carrier.

This is a nuclear-powered fast-attack submarine, a Virginia class. The second-best anti-submarine weapon in the world is an aircraft (commonly carried in large numbers by these things called aircraft carriers,) and the first one, is another submarine.

One of these accompanies every Carrier Battle Group. To protect the carrier.

This is an Independence-class Littoral Combat Ship, which has been built to execute several different missions, but the primary and most important one is fending off swarms of small speedboats and other asymmetric threats in places like the Strait of Hormuz. It’s also highly capable as a modern anti-submarine warfare platform, with a towed VDS sonar and extensive ASW helicopter capacity.

In other words, it’s custom designed to fend off Iranian-style tactics when a carrier is transiting the Strait. This ship, too, defends the carrier.

Now lets talk missiles.

This is an SM-1 on the twin-arm launch rail. This could fire two Standard missiles at a time. This was far, far too few to fight off big swarms of cheap cruise missiles targeting some big, vulnerable ship, like, say, a carrier. The first Ticonderoga cruisers were armed with these, and were notable for having two, instead of just one like most escort ships, which made them more capable of protecting the carrier.

This is a Vertical Launch System, a design that allows the very rapid ripple-firing of many, many weapons at once, specifically to put weapons in the air to counter big saturation-attack swarms of incoming cruise missiles. The Aegis Combat System was designed to properly employ this weapon and the vast number of weapons it could fill the air with, specifically to counter the missile saturation attacks designed to overwhelm the defenses of the carrier.

This shows an SM-1 (roughly similar to the modern SM-2, a much-upgraded development of it,) and the SM-2 ER, which adds a honking huge rocket booster to it to grant a lot more range. While an SM-2 reaches about 50 nautical miles or so, the SM-2 ER can reach out a staggering 130 nautical miles.

This increased standoff range is to make it easier to kill aircraft before they can launch missiles at the carrier.

This is a supersonic sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missile known as the “Moskit,” one of a number of similar weapons that the Soviets intended to launch at NATO ships from Tu-22 Backfire bombers. The general idea of these massive weapons was simple - they had very long range, further than the SM-2ER above, so they could avoid the defenses of, and thus kill, the carrier.

This is an F-14 Tomcat, a swing-wing, high-speed fleet defense interceptor. The entire reason for this aircraft’s existence - and for the huge fucking missile it carried -

- with its 100 nautical mile range, was to hunt down and murder Backfire Bombers from even longer range. This aircraft and missile were literally made for and designed around each other; an entire, complete weapons system with just one job.

They protected the carrier.

This is an F-18E Super Hornet. With the latest marks of the AIM-120D, which can reach almost 70 goddamn miles, it can pretty much do what the F-14 did, except at lower cost and more reliably because Technology. What it cannot do, the F-35 can, due to being able to get much closer before being detected, and that’s without the possible purchase of the British Meteor, a super-long-range missile that’d be an excellent replacement for the Phoenix - and is already slated for fielding with the British F-35. However, the F-18 as is can protect the carrier. It is good enough to protect the carrier.

This is an SM-6. The Navy decided that “good enough” wasn’t good enough, so they took an SM-2, took out the guidance, and replaced it with a terrifying Terminator borg-brain equipped with the radar seeker of an AIM-120 so it can hunt down and murder targets autonomously, with no support from the launching ship. Combined with targeting data from an E2D Hawkeye AWACS aircraft (launched by a carrier) and routed through the Aegis combat system, this weapon can engage sea-skimming missiles well over the horizon.

This missile can also kill other ships and it can even shoot down ballistic missiles, but its main role is to protect the carrier.

This is a RIM-7P Sea Sparrow. It’s basically an AIM-7 put onto a ship, where it worked much better than it ever did as an air-to-air weapon. It has a great reputation for reliability and accuracy, and is still in use by many NATO allied nations worldwide. It was commonly used as a point-defense weapon to protect the carrier.

This is an “Evolved” Sea Sparrow, or ESSM, which has about as much in common with the original Sea Sparrow as ducks do with horses. It has more than double the range of the original (30+ nautical miles compared to 15 or so) which puts it closer to a medium-range SAM, but the US still considers it a point-defense weapon. It’s more accurate, can be packed 4 to the VLS cell, and is slated to receive an active radar seeker in a future upgrade.

This now arms the ships that protect the carrier.

This is what the carriers themselves now use - the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile. It has only slightly less range than the old Sea Sparrow, but makes up for it by getting to the target much faster, important for blowing them up far enough away to avoid damage and for giving you breathing room for follow-up shots if you want. Unlike a CIWS gun, like the Russians and almost everyone else still rely on for the last-ditch point defense, this thing can engage multiple targets at once, can hit targets at about ten times the effective range, is far lighter, and is much more accurate and reliable.

These are mounted on, or being retrofitted to, every carrier to protect them.

Now for a nine-gun blast from the past. This is the USS South Dakota, lead ship of her class. She displaced 35,000 tons and made 27 knots at maximum speed.

This is the USS Iowa, lead ship of her class. She’s basically the same design as the South Dakota above, but for two differences - she made 33 knots or so, and she weighed 45,000 tons.

Why would the Navy invest 10,000 tons more ship for a measly 6 knots increase in speed - especially when it didn’t make much difference in battleship combat?

This is why - the Iowa could keep up with the carriers, and by that point in the war, the only role for any ship that was not a carrier was usually protecting a carrier. This is the USS Midway, a WWII-construction carrier that served till the 80s.

This is the USS New Jersey on Nov. 8th, 1944, with the USS Hancock in the background, photographed from the USS Intrepid (another carrier.) The New Jersey is protecting the carriers.

This is the USS Iowa in the late 80s or early 90s. In this picture, she is leading a fleet of ships, and that fleet of ships is surrounding the ship they are there to protect, which is a carrier.

This picture can be confusing to the uninitiated, who have let their love of the majesty and engineering of a bygone era corrupt their understanding of the modern world, I have prepared a simple diagram to help you understand the kinds of ships present in this image:

So you see, anon, the thing stopping Syria from sinking the carrier is SEVENTY FUCKING YEARS OF NONSTOP OBSESSION WITH DOING NOTHING BUT PROTECTING THE FUCKING CARRIER.

Does that answer your question, anon?

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lonestarbattleship · 3 years ago

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I have an explanation for each

1. Texas: the first museum ship and battleship I visited as a kid. I got sleep onboard her when I was as in the Boy Scouts. I am very proud my state saved one dreadnought era battleship from being sunk or scrapped.

2a. Nevada: her innovative design and WWII history, only Battleship to be at Pearl Harbor and participate in the D-Day landings. She bombarded several strongholds in the Pacific. While it's shame she wasn't saved, she didn't go down without a fight.

2b. New York: sister of Texas and through researching for Texas, I've read alot her and grown to like her.

3. Iowas: the fastest battleships in the world and were reactivated 3 and 4 times. If I was adult in the 80s, I'd be an officer on one.

4. Richelieu: because I love her story and her design. She escaped the grasps of the Nazis, stayed out of reach the Royal Navy who would had sunk her until France rejoined the fight, repaired in New York and went on to serve in War.

5. Similar reasons as Nevada.

1. The French Navy (like most navies at the time) experimented with a lot of different designs, which I can understand since there was a lot of rapidly changing tech and designs going around, but most of the ships are really ugly and I haven't been able to get past that. I think most Predreadnought designs are ugly but IMO Carnot, Jauréguiberry, Masséna and Bouvet take the cake.

2. Yamato Class: I think they're over rated. Sure they had the largest diameter guns (18.1 inches) to be fitted to a battleship but the guns didn't have anymore penetration over the Iowas' 16 inch guns. Plus, inferior radar fire control means their shoots are not as effective compared to the US Navy. They were 1 knot slower than the South Dakotas at 27 knots. They were only the "largest" battleships ever built by being heavier 73,000 t and slightly wider than the Iowas (128 ft (38.9 m) vs 108 ft 2 in (33.0 m)). They did have 16 inches of side armor but when your opponent can out fire and maneuver you, it's only a matter of time before it doesn't mean much. I do think the aircraft and life boat launch and storage systems are neat and innovative and the ships are not bad looking. It's their cult following that really turns me off, which seems to based solely on her stats and design. They did not tribute anything to the war effort and by the time they were used, they taken down the using the almost same techniques used against US Dreadnoughts in Pearl Harbor. The real difference being their crews at their positions and not during Sunday morning mass.

3. Bismarck Class: similar reasons as the Yamatos, they are over rated. (I debated with myself on which was higher for me but in the end, it's due to how much ppl talk about them.) The difference is Bismarck was the only one used in it's intended role. She can actually claim to have had sunk a capital ship. Tirpitz was hidden in Norway until she bombed to death. Maybe if they completed their aircraft carriers and used them as covers, they'd might actually be successful. I know a lot of their cult following is over the German engineering but I think that was more of hindrance for them during the war.

Just a note for everyone, I am never going to post anything on them. I'm not interested in the Kriegsmarine outside of their engagements with the allies and some stats of their ships' to compare. Also, I don't want anyone thinking I'm a Nazi sympathizer. It's ridiculous Neo-Nazi/white supremacists are a thing in the 21st century and I want nothing to do with them.

4. Kearsarge Class: I debated on including this class or the Virginia Class because their stacked turrets have always made little sense to me. But I like the Kearsarge design less than Virginia Class because of its aesthetics. Wedding cake turrets are not threatening.

I know the rationale of the stacked turrets and on paper it makes sense, 4 guns you can fired from the same turret when deck space is limited. But the fact the top turret could not rotate independently of the bottom, it had different caliber guns than bottom set (8" and 10") and hoisting the shells and powder to top guns made reloading the bottom guns more difficult, does not justify them. Especially when they repeated the concept again for Virginia Class. However, this concept did give fruition to the superfiring turrets of almost all battleships built after 1909.

Plus, congress had to go and mess up the naming convention when they ordered one be named Kearsarge.

5. Soviet Battleships: the Soviet Navy was never any good at making new Battleships or keeping up with them. In fact, the only units they had at anyone time were Tsar era ones or acquired from other countries. The only true Soviet designed battleships was the Soviet Soyuz Class. Which were never completed due to their naval industries were so under developed and the invasion from Nazi Germany. One of them had to be scrapped on the slipway because of shity workmanship. Even if some of them were completed, I doubt they'd be much of threat based on how they maintained the few they had. They were loaned HMS Royal Sovereign from 1944 to 1949 and when she was returned, the ship was in such poor material condition, the Royal Navy immediately scrapped her. Of particular note, her turrets appeared to have not been rotated at all during her time in Soviet Navy and were jammed.

These are just my opinions.

My top 5 favorite battleships

1. USS Texas (obviously)

2. USS Nevada (BB-36) or USS New York (BB-34)

3. USS Iowa (BB-61)/USS New Jersey (BB-62) or any Iowas.

4. French Battleship Richelieu

5. USS Pennsylvania (BB-38)

My top 5 least favorite battleships

1. French Predreadnought Battleships

2. Yamato Class

3. Tirpitz and Bismarck

4. Kearsarge Class

5. Soviet Battleships

Just FYI if anyone was wondering.

#battleship

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sirrongirl · 6 years ago

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Road Trip to Tahiti

Monday March 25, 2019 Honolulu HI

I was so excited to be in Honolulu. I’ve always wanted to go down into the Atlantis Submarine. It’s either been too expensive, or I had no one else to go with. Tom didn’t think he could take being cooped up in a small submarine. We have talked about his motion sickness, but he also doesn’t like tight spaces. Today I had the opportunity to go with the group from the ship.

Rather than go along with me, Tom took a tour that took him behind the scenes and actually into the bowels of the U.S.S. Missouri. I’ll ask him to write about his day.

From Thomas Holloway

With tempered expectations I embarked on an inside tour of the USS Missouri at Pearl Harbor today. Our driver taking our small group of 7 cruisers was a retired Navy man who had served on a sister ship of the Missouri during the Vietnam war years. That driver had a penchant for changing every tour worker’s name including his own - but he finally settled on the ironic name of “Ernest.”

A young woman named Bonnie guided our group inside this Iowa class battleship known to her admirers as Mighty Mo. Ernest naturally dubbed her Mabel much to her chagrin. Bonnie weaved us into a gun turret on our first stop that shot 18” diameter shells over 23 nautical miles with astounding accuracy.

The shells were the equivalent weight of a VW bug and Mighty Mo hit thousands of targets from her inauguration in 1944 until her last tour in Desert Storm. Remarkably Mo was never struck by a shell but was hit by a kamikaze fighter in the Pacific campaign and left only a slight dent on the starboard side.

The innards of this dreadnaught battleship were fascinating and often led us to stifling spaces that evoked what must have been almost impossible conditions especially in tropical climates. We ran into a Captain Halliday whom had served on this ship in his career but had just days earlier retired from the Navy and was leading his own small tour of friends. Cap’n Halliday had signed his and other crew members names on a steam turbine inside on of the boiler rooms back during Desert Storm. It was a fortunate coincidence to encounter a crew member from such a historic icon of naval history

Our tour later undertook a 30 minute guided tour of the top deck and we found that to be equally awe inspiring. We were ushered to what was called the Surrender Deck where WWiI ended by the Japanese signing an unconditional surrender. The documents and the pen used to sign it were on display. In just 28 minutes in a ceremony officiated by General MacArthur, the war that took 69 million lives came to an end. This battleship is docked right alongside the USS Arizona’s shrine and both a striking symbols of American patriotism that deserve our deepest respect.

Today was the first time we have been separated on this trip. As I got into the van alone and headed for Waikiki I could hardly contain my excitement. Eager to see what is new, what has changed, I was rubbernecking and photographing from both sides of the shuttle. The Atlantis Submarine operation has its home at the pier at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. The hotel is now up to 5 different towers, with the famous mosaic rainbow still at the center. It’s the largest mosaic in Hawaii.

I wanted to walk around the entire resort but my group was being called to the pier. We boarded a boat to take us out to where the submarine was. We watched as is surfaced. The first submarine I watched surface holds 64 people and cost 25 million dollars.

The submarine I went on was about half that size. Once the submarine surfaced, we pulled along side of it and were helped onto the narrow stairway that leads down. One at a time we climbed down into the very narrow space. We sat with backs together, each of us looking out of a plexiglass round window. Once we were all boarded, and the hatch was sealed, our captain took us down. The lowest depth we reached was over 100’.

The Atlantis company, working with the University of Hawaii, dropped 2 old aircraft, one old ship, some cement platforms, and some Chinese seaweed growing platforms. These items created more of a habitat for the fish and sea turtles. The sea life has increased 300% since the items were sunk. What I saw was a lot of coral growing on these items, a lot of fish living here, and some sea turtles sleeping or just chillin’ on or below the items.

I think Tom would have been able to handle this, I didn’t feel cramped at all, and breathing was easy the while time. What would have freaked him out was the safety demonstration? We were shown how to put on the safety breathing masks. We were underground about an hour. After surfacing, we boarded the boat back to the pier. I loved the boat ride. It was a warm, sunny day and staying out on the top of the boat felt wonderful.

This location, the Hilton Hawaiian Village was significant to me because I use memories of being there when I hypnotize myself. I go through a procedure on counting my steps from the hotel itself, over the sand, to the edge of the beach. I have counted the steps necessary, so I repeat the count to myself. I try to involve all my senses as I remember the walk. How it feels to walk through the warm sand, to have the sun on my skin, the scent of plumeria in the air, the sound of the waterfalls on the grounds, and in the end, the feel of the cool water on my feet. I have used this many times before my many operations to calm myself down. It really works for me. Every so often, I feel it’s good to repeat the procedure in person to refresh my memories.

Tom and I met back at the ship. After a little lunch, we took a shuttle to the Ala Moana Mall. Hard to believe, but it’s now about twice the size as it was last time. It’s expanded a few blocks out. We went first to Longs Drugs. I needed to buy some lidocaine pain patches to try to ease my shoulder pain. Then to the Apple Store, and finally Starbucks. Ah! civilization! Tom is happy. I wanted to walk over to the beach, but he wasn’t interested. I got a quick idea, to find a massage place at the mall and have them work on my shoulder. If I couldn’t be walking the beach, massage might make me feel better. I found a Japanese massage place and signed on for 30 minutes. I didn’t think Tom would be patient enough to wait any longer for me. While Sophia was really working on the pain and the huge knot in my shoulder, Tom was sitting in a $3,000 Japanese massage chair in the waiting room feeling pretty darn good. I should have signed up for 30 more minutes! We left the mall feeling much better.

I’m thinking that next winter we’ll come back to Hawaii. I’m not sure exactly where, but it’s a big state and I really want to spend more time checking out all the new areas and things to do. I think there is enough to do here on Oahu to keep Tom happy. If we get bored, we could drive for Uber. I could work a day or so for the land operator for the cruise ships. I believe only the Norwegian Star actually boards here, just once a week. Thats when they need the check in people. Tom is laughing at me as I suggest work I might be able to do. He doesn’t think I’m actually up to any task. Maybe he’s right, but there is no harm in trying.

We had an interesting dinner with a former navy fighter pilot and his wife. Nigel tells us he and Joan were both widows living in San Diego when they joined a Widow Or Widowers (WOW) group. Soon after meeting, they were married and have been together 12 years. What a great idea! It’s great that they were both willing to take another chance.

Tonight’s entertainment was a Polynesian Show of dancing and singing, and a little comedy thrown in. It was actually very good. We were already in bed by the time the ship sailed away. I stood on the balcony watching the island fade into the distance. I was so happy to have had this day, and I am making plans to come back soon.

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