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deaderthandoubledead · 10 months ago
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Is this a good time to tell you all that I knew about the Elias and Jonah thing (without reading any spoilers, genuinely) since the beginning of season 3 because I saw it in a dream?
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gayartbirb · 8 months ago
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About Poison Ivy and Count Vertigo
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Hi, hello, I’m not dead, I’ve just been incredibly busy and kind of taking a break from social media in general. Currently on a MASSIVE DC Comics kick and there’s one particular topic that I’ve seen some HORRENDOUS takes about on here, so let’s discuss.
I never thought I’d be saying this, but CONTENT WARNING: I’m unfortunately going to be discussing topics related to rape and sexual assault below the cut. If that ain’t your cup of tea, I completely understand, and you’re free to scroll away now. TLDR if you don’t wanna read the whole thing: I’ve seen people accuse Poison Ivy of raping Count Vertigo just because she brainwashed him. These people have clearly never read the comic in question, and I’m sick and tired of this misinformation being spread around.
Okay? Okay, let’s do this.
So, it shouldn’t suprise anyone that Poison Ivy is probably one of my favorite DC characters of all time. I mean, I consider her to be one of my first gay awakenings (the others were Darcy from Winx Club and Emma Frost from Wolverine and the X-Men, if you’re wondering). So, when I see people accuse Ivy of being a full-blown RAPIST, I’m obviously gonna be upset.
Now, me being a simp is not clouding my judgement in this case. When I first saw people making this claim, I tried my dammdest to put my bias to the side and figure out what the hell these people were talking about. Lo and behold, I find out that it’s complete BS.
This particular claim stems from John Ostrander’s run on Suicide Squad starting back in 1987. I’m specifically referring to issue #45. This section on Count Vertigo’s Wikipedia page explains what went down infinitely better than I could, so I’m just gonna quote it here:
“He would later come to join the Suicide Squad in exchange for a shortened prison sentence, and it was revealed that he was plagued by bipolar disorder. After the Suicide Squad disbanded for the first time, Count Vertigo was captured by Vlatavan rebels, who wished to use his powers to overthrow the current Vlatavan government. They used a variety of drugs on him, each with a differing effect on the Count, as he would for example suddenly see himself as an Angel of Vengeance, sent to wreak havoc on the current rulers. Although he largely believed himself master of his own will, his mood swings were completely subject to his captors.
He was captured by Poison Ivy when the Suicide Squad came in and resolved the conflict and Kaligari (then-ruler of Vlatava) was murdered. Count Vertigo was Poison Ivy's slave for a long period of time, during which he grew to hate Poison Ivy and frequently threatened to kill her when he was free of her control. Amanda Waller was able to free Vertigo of her control so that he could stop a group of missiles hitting Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem at the behest of the villain Kobra. If the Dome had been destroyed, innocent lives would have been lost in a resulting war.
Vertigo succeeded, and it turned out that as he went into rehab and expunged the chemicals that had been pumped into his body by both Ivy and the rebels, that he was unwittingly cured of the disorder that had plagued him for so long.”
I’d also like to point out this snippet:
“Vertigo also resolved his grudge with Poison Ivy. During the War of the Gods crossover, he was perfectly willing to let her die when he found her abandoned on an Amazonian island; ironically, she was bound and promised whoever freed her, her undying devotion. Snickering snidely, Vertigo left her to die in the ruins of the collapsing temple they were in. Still, Ivy was saved, and Count Vertigo would later reluctantly work alongside her in the Suicide Squad, leaving their grudge be.”
Now, what does this have to do with Ivy allegedly being a rapist? Well, I’ve seen multiple people on here claim that Ivy raped Count Vertigo when she brainwashed him. To be quite blunt, this couldn’t be further from the truth. There is no, and I mean NO instances of Ivy raping or assaulting Count Vertigo. The worst thing she does is have him do things for her. That’s it. No overly sexual stuff in there at all. Here, take some pages that (hopefully) prove my point:
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So, tell me why I’m seeing people say stuff like this (these were all taken from @super-hero-confessions btw. No hate to that blog, and I’m sorry y’all got caught in the crossfire on this one):
“What Poison Ivy did to Count Vertigo is exactly what Purple Man did to Jessica Jones. If it’s okay to stan Ivy, then it should be okay to stan Killgrave.”
“POISON IVY IS A RAPIST, USING HER PHEROMONES TO MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY DO IS THE SAME AS GIVING SOMEONE A DATE RAPE DRUG. TRYING TO CALL PEOPLE HOMOPHOBIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THE PAST OF YOUR FAVE CHARACTER BEING POINTED OUT, JUST SHOWS IMMATURITY AND THE FACT THAT HARL/IVY FANS FORGET THAT IVY IS A VILLAIN.”
“IT'S REALLY TELLING TO ME THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CALL JOKER A RAPIST FOR WHAT HE DID TO BARBARA ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE EXCUSES OR TRY TO DOWNPLAY POISON IVY ACTUALLY RAPING COUNT VERTIGO. "IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME BACK THEN, IT DOESN'T COUNT." YOU'RE DISGUSTING AND A HYPOCRITE.”
“I LOVE SEEING POISON IVY FAN BLOGS SAYING IT'S WRONG TO LIKE PURPLE MAN BECAUSE HE'S A RAPIST. I GUESS THEY THINK A WOMAN RAPING A MAN LIKE WHAT IVY DID TO COUNT VERTIGO DOESN'T COUNT.”
“POISON IVY DOESN'T DESERVE A REDEMPTION ARC BECAUSE SHE IS A RAPIST.”
“IT ANNOYS ME WHEN PEOPLE SAY JOKER SHOULDN'T BE GAY BECAUSE HE'S DONE BAD THINGS. POISON IVY IS A RAPIST AND A SERIAL KILLER AND NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT HER BEING LGBT? WHY CAN'T JOKER BE?”
Now, I’m saying all of this in relation to Count Vertigo. If there’s any ACTUAL instances of Ivy raping someone, feel free to let me know. HOWEVER, if you’re going to do that, I want you to cite the actual comic where it happens. If there’s one thing I’ve learned in college, it’s that you should never make a claim if you can’t back it up with an actual source.
That being said, I think the idea of Ivy and Vertigo being a couple is really funny, and I’m absolutely down to write a fanfiction addressing all of this stuff if anyone’s interested. I may be a shitty fiction writer, but dammit, I’m willing to try.
Anyway, stop calling Ivy a rapist. Sure, she does stuff that crosses a line on occassion, but she’s a villain. I’m pretty sure they all do that.
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Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go listen to some Precure OST’s to cleanse my mind of this absolute nonsense.
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crazyrandomfucker · 5 years ago
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Marichat May Day 20: Cat got your tongue?
Summary:
Chat Nir let's himself into Marinette's room (with her permission, of course) and gets quite a surprise.
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Unlike most of the time, today was a special ocasion for Chat Noir. The last time he visited Marinette, she told him to meet her today to help her with a project, which was quite surprising since she never had invited him before, it normally was Chat Noir who decided to drop by. So Chat Noir was quite hyped for the day, given that his Princess was asking specifically for his aid. With a couple of pirouettes, a few wel timed landings and a bunch of pole-vaulting, Chat Noir makes a cool entrance to Marinette's balcony, feeling proud of himself. She's nowhere to be seen, but the little note resting on her trapdoor asks Chat Noir to enter after knocking thrice. He knocks thrice on the trapdoor and let's himself in.
"Hey there Princess! It's me!" says Chat Noir scanning the room for her, but she's nowhere to be seen.
From behind the changer, Marinette emerges with a dress, make-up and her hair done in a way Chat Noir has never seen her wearing before. Chat's jab falls down to the ground as he can only stare at her, burning in his mind even the tiniest detail of her. She's wearing an emerald dress with golden and black silhouettes that seem awfully like Chinese handwork. Her soft and subtle make-up brings up her magnifical sapphire-like eyes and enhances her features. Then her hair, which is all curled into coiled buns, hypnotizes Chat Noir with it's wavy raven curves, making him audibly gulp as he corrects himself for ever thinking that she looked best with her hair loose. Marinette smiles at him, seeing how  he was at a lost for words as she gets closer and closer to him.
"Hello Chat Noir. Don't you have anything to say about my outfit?" asks Marinette smirking. "Or did the cat got your tongue?"
"I- Uh- Umm...." prattles Chat Noir.
Marinette laughs and that giggles makes Chat melt on the inside. "I never thought I'd see the day when Chat Noir himself would be speechless" says Marinette as she boops Chat's nose.
"I- Sorry Princess" manages to utter Chat, trying to recompose himself. "I was just baffled by your beauty, not that you normally aren't beautiful".
"Thanks, I appreciate it" says Marinette. "Do you know what are you going to help me with today Chat?"
"Um... I'll be... Modelling for you?" asks Chat uncertain.
"On the contrary, today I'll be the one modelling. I want to experience how a runaway is from the point of a model" says Marinette. "So you'll be my pubic and jury".
"I'm honoured Marinette" says Chat Noir. "Thought if all your ensembles are like this one, HI'm afraid I won't be a good jury".
"Now, now, don't say that so soon, I've barely started this private runaway" says Marinette flickering Chat's nose. "I'd feel bad if you were to be distracted like that, the media would classify you as a flirty tomcat!"
"Luckily, there's no media in here, is there?" asks Chat smugly, but then he shivers and starts looking around cautiously. "Please, tell me that Alya or Alen are NOT hidden somewhere in here".
Marinette laughs tenderly. "What are you saying kit-cat? Of course they aren't here".
"Phew, thanks god" says Chat. "I would probably get skinned alive by Alya if she was here. That or I would be slandered all across the social media".
"Don't worry so much Chat, just sit back and enjoy the runaway for now" says Marinette. "But I want you to tell me afterwards how I was and what you thought of each outfit".
"I can already tell you that you could get any boy with this outfit" says Chat Noir.
"Cha cha, real smooth Chat" says Marinette chuckling. "Let's keep the flattery for now, shall we?"
Marinette changed into another outfit and showed it to Chat, who was even more at loss for words than the first one. Just like that, Marinette keeped putting on different outfits and hairstyles and modelling just for Chat's eye's to behold. Meanwhile, the cat hero had a feeline that with each new look Marinette sported, further and further did his sanity staryed away, to the point that he had some paper on his nose to prevent it from bleeding. When he couldn't bear with it anymore, he simply asked Marinette to pause the runaway for a moment while he was taking a breather. After she somehow reluctantly accepted with a pout, which made Chat Noir almost crazy enough to fall on his knees and ask for her hand, Chat went out to the balcony to cool down a bit.
"How can she keep getting prettier? It's almost as if she was a goddess of beaut!" murmurs Chat Noir to himself. "If this keeps going like this... This girl is going to be the end of me".
"That would be bad" said Lordbug from behid Chat, sitting on the chimney and scaring the hell out of Chat Noir's body. "I wouldn't want to loose one of my partners to a pretty girl".
"L-L-Lordbug?!" exclaims Chat Noir startled and blushing deeply. "What are you doing here?"
"Oh, you know, I simply was hanging out with Marin before having to go on patrol" says Lordbug non-chalantly. "I didn't knew you were coming thought, I would had tried to avoid seeing you to prevent any mistakes or accidental reveals".
"Well, today wasn't something I had planned or that I decided" explains Chat nervously. "It was Marinette who told me to come and be the jury of her latest desings".
"Ah, so that's why you're that flustered" says Lordbug smugly. "I never thought I'de see yu like this after you renounced to chase after my sister".
"I-It's not what it looks like! I swear!" says Chat Noir.
"Don't worry Chat, I'm not judging you or anything of sorts" says Lordbug. "Altought I think that it's quite funny to see you in such a bewildered state".
"It's not my fault! She's making a runaway exclusively for me and she just keeps charging on with better outfits each time she comes out" says Chat.
"For sure, for sure" says Lodbug containing his laugh. "It's her fault you get flustered like this so easily".
"My Lord!" protests Chat beet red.
"I'm sorry, I simply coudn't resist to tease you a bit" says Lordbug. "Now I get why Kitty likes to tease so much".
"I- I have to go back to not worry Marinette!" declares Chat. "So if you excuse me".
"Of course, I wouldn't like to keep you from your Princess" says Lordbug chuckling as he readies his yoyo. "Bye Chat!"
Chat Noir goes back inside even more flustered than when he went out, even if the motives are very different from one another. He swiftly sits down and looks out for Marinette, but when he doesn't sees her, he assumes that she's changing into a new outfit, not noticing her hiding behind him in the corner of the room, blushing intensely as she tried to make herself as least noticeable as possible. She slowly walks up to Chat Noir, trying to make as less sound as she could while she approached him, being completely embarrassed from having eavesdropped him when he went out. In the end, she stumbled with her chair and fell right next to him, startling him in the process.
"Princess?!" exclaims Chat Noir. "Wha- How- Why- Are you okay?"
"Y-Yes, I think only my pride was hurt" says Marinette rubbing her nose to try to hide her blush.
"When did you go behind me? I didn't see you getting out of the changer" says Chat Noir.
"I... I wasn't on the changer. I was... Looking for something!" lies Marinette.
"Oh, since I didn't saw you around I assumed you were" says Chat rubbing his neck. "I totally forgot to look behind me".
"N-No worries Chat!" says Marinette sweating internally.
"Should we- Uh... Restart the runaway?" says Chat nervously.
"Yes! I mean no! I- I was thinking that maybe it was a bit too hard for me to model" says Marinette with a brittle laugh.
"Oh... I see..." says Chat with a bit of disappointment on his voice. "What do we do now? Should I go...?"
"No! It's fine... Just- Just watch my designs and give me feedback" says Marinette.
"I can do that" says Chat while he mentally kicks himself for being so... Bright.
"Me too!" says Marinette hastily as she internally curses herself.
"Let's see those designs then!" says Chat a bit too enthusiastically.
"S-Sure!" replies Marinette.
Marinette goes inside the changer and brings out all of the clothes she had prepared for the so called 'runaway', setting them over her bed for Chat Noir to see. Chat Noir slowly gets closer, being quite nervous for the close distance between them, but when he sees the ensembles all lined up, his curiosity gets the better of him as he begins to pay attention to the minor details of them, looking for Marinette's signature, getting excited by the tiniest handycraft on the clothes and only thinking about how good Marinette is. On the other hand, Marinette is tenderly looking at him, happy that he's so curious about her work and fond of the cuteness he has when he discovers something he hadn't seen. Even then, none of the two noticed that they were slowly but surely getting more and more close, each lost in their own delusions and fantasies until they bumped into eachother.
"Sorry" says Chat Noir. "I was quite focused on your work that I didn't see y-".
Before Chat can finish his sentence, he looks at Marinette, right in the eyes, and is starstrucked by her, noticing now how cute she looked on the simpe clothes she was wearing and with her hair loose. His heart skips several beats and his mind melts to the point that he forgets who he is. On the other hand, Marinette's blush gets redder by the second, feeling embarrassed and being self-conscious under his gaze. But then, out of nowhere, she gets rid of all her nervouness and her mind becomes clear. There is only one thing she wants to do, and that's kissing the taunting lips of the very handsome hero she's with right now. So she does, forgetting about her responsabilities from being Ladybug, she grabs his faces and kisses him, hastily eding the kiss as she regains her nervousness and shyness takes over her.
"I- uh- oh- I-" says Chat, indicating that Chat Noir.exe has just stopped working.
Feeling a bit more confident after seeing Chat's dumbfounded state, she flickers his bell. "What happened Kit-Cat? Did the cat got your tongue?"
Nt knowing what to do and utterly embarrassed, Chat Noir blushes to the point of surpassing the concept of blushing and crouches to hide his face.  After gainning some sense on his mind, he tries to talk and ask what did just happened and why did Marinette do that, but both of them get nervous and excuse themseves, running away from the other with their faces covered and a sweet, alluring memory of the kiss haunting them.
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Prologue:
"You were quite sly this time Sugar Cube" says Plagg landing next to Tikki. "Shut up Plagg, we both now that you wanted them to kiss just as much as I do" says Tikki. "I simply gave them... A lucky push". "Whatever let's you sleep at night Sugar Cube" says Plagg smugly. "And here I thought I was the rule-breaker" "I didn't break any rules!" exclaims Tikki. "Stop distorting what happened Stinky Socks". "Your wishes are my commands" says Plagg tesingly. "You're lucky thought, you weren't on Marinette's head when they kissed. My holder's mind became an absolute mess". "Poor you" says Tikki and heads inside, leaving Plagg behind.
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