#that said i have not watched a single episode of hazbin or helluva in over a year so i am very rusty on the lore

[videcoeur]

"Do you enjoy hurting me?"

-- From @equiuszahhak or @pentious :D

"You say that like I gave you no other choice ♥️" Oz'keli replies, biting her lip as two of her eyes glide all over Sir Pentious' form. He is as handsome as she remembers him to be! Obviously, they should be together. Both of them are snakes! And she is so so so strong, so why is he not interested?

He must be gay. That's it. It's never that hard for her to seduce someone, but the more he resists, the more she wants to wrap around him! How annoying.

Cue some eyelashes batting.

"But actually, pleasure is not why I'm here tonight. I'm here because I have the contraband you requested, and our dealer couldn't make it, so he sent me instead. Be nice." The black mamba snake-tail raised to hand level, tongue flicking out with a hiss at Pentious. Oz'keli shushed it gently, long red-painted claws scratching idly at its head.

"I'm sure someone told you I was coming, right?"

@smearrps / @pentious

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[flower-boi16]

Hazbin Hotel Is A Show That Exists

So...after five years of waiting, Hazbin Hotel is finally out. I had very low expectations going to Hazbin - not only because of the current state of Helluva Boss (Its spin-off show) but also because of all the things I was hearing about it from people who saw the leaks - needless to say, it wasn't very positive. I was expecting this show to be a complete disaster on every single level, though deep down, I did want to be excited for this show - as I did used to briefly be a fan of Viv's work until I realized HB's MANY writing issues, so I went in with low expectations, expecting the show to be awful while deep down hoping that MAYBE It'll MAYBE end up being good. And after watching the first four episodes I can say that...

The show isn't awful nor is it that good. It's just...PAINFULLY average. In this post I'm going to give my current thoughts on HH based on the first four episodes that are currently released. Note that these are only my current thoughts on the show - there's a chance that MAYBE the show will improve in the second half of season 1. But for now, here are my current thoughts on the show:

1. The Animation & Visuals

The animation is...fine. The characters definitely look very rigged at times, but the animation is at least pleasant to look at. An issue I have is the camera work - sometimes the camera work can be VERY off at times. The show would constantly cut to different perspectives in some of the scenes and it becomes a headache to look at. It's especially bad at the beginning of the Happy Day In Hell song - where the camera looks like it's having a stroke during the sequence as it constantly cuts to different perspectives a LOT.

That being said - the camera work is mostly fine throughout the rest of the show so it's not too bad. So overall, the animation looks fine. I don't love it, but I don't hate it.

2. The Comedy

The show's comedy is...actually pretty ok. There were a few jokes that got a good laugh out of me, especially in episode 3, the episode that isn't written by Viv, so it therefore is the funniest episode of the show so far. I am surprised by the lack of sex jokes in the show which is at least a plus. That being said, a lot of the jokes in the show don't really land - mainly the ones that Angel Dust makes. So really, the comedy is OK. I don't hate it, but I also don't love it either.

3. Worldbuilding & Plot

So now let's talk about the main plot of the show as well as its world-building. Ok so the main conflict for the show is that due to someone killing an Angel during the last extermination - the exterminations are going to happen twice as fast now (6 months instead of one year). The mystery of what happened to the angel...lasts for about two episodes before we're given an answer in episode 3, and then it's just resolved like that.

Aside from that the series mostly revolves around its premise so far which is good. Alright, now lets talk about the lore and worldbuilding - basically Lucifer used to be an angel in Hevean but was seen as a trouble maker and Adam demanded that Lilith fuck him (or something Idk Idr) and Lucifer and Lilith fell in love blah blah blah Lucifer gave an apple to his new lover Eve blah blah blah the apple was cursed blah blah blah the apple created hell blah blah blah It sent evil to the world and Hevean was pissed about that so they banished them to hell blah blah blah Lucifer became sad blah blah blah Lilith didn't blah blah blah Hevean started doing exterminations because they were afraid of Hell's power.

(Semi-accurate description of the opening exposition dump). Ok so a few things; 1) I already asked this in another post but why did Hell never choose to fight back against Heaven when Heaven shouldn't have any power over hell because Hell was a realm created by Lucifer? Also, why does Heaven even have any power over Hell to begin with? and 2) So Heaven is eeeevil now and is going to kill all of Hell. Like I already said, it would have been more interesting if Heaven wasn't evil, and it also would've been better than this Hevean v Hell war we're probably going to get in the finale.

They even changed the reasoning to why Heaven started doing the exterminations, instead of it being because of an overpopulation problem now it's because Heaven was afraid of Hell's power...

...which contradicts the pilot which is canon to the series. But then the show just goes back to the overpopulation problem as the reason for the exterminations???? Like??? Which is it, is it because Heaven is evil or because of an overpopulation problem??? PICK ONE!!!

Hell is also kinda boring of a setting, it's just our world except red. That's it. So the lore and worldbuilding is kinda eh, Heaven is just evil cuz ofc it is and the lore has some problems. Its funny to how one of the lyrics of Adam's big villain song is "its all black and white", and since Adam is the bad guy and Charlie's goal is to redeem sinners, the show is trying to go for a "it's NOT black and white" message, but that's kinda ironic considering that this Heaven/Hell conflict is very black and white in it of itself; Hell good Heaven evil. That's it. Not saying black-and-white conflicts with a good guy and a bad guy are bad, most shows can make them work and be interesting, but Heaven would have been more interesting if it wasn't evil, at least IMO.

4. The Voice Actors

A lot of the discourse surrounding Hazbin until its release was the new voice actors. Let me just say I don't dislike the voice actors here; I think they are fine and they fit the characters decently well. Their singing is also decent as well. So I don't dislike any of the voices, they are fine for the most part and fit decently well with the characters.

5. The Songs

The songs so far are...fine. If there was one thing that HB consistently got right, it was the songs. Even if I dislike HB, the songs are actually pretty good (for the most part...). Hazbin's songs are...decent. There aren't any songs that I can say are bad, though I have some issues with the show's music; mainly the fact that the show sometimes shoves in songs...for the sake of having a song.

If you want to make a musical with songs you need to make sure each song has a distinct purpose for the story; take "Part of Your World" from The Little Mermaid. Before this song, it's pretty easy to infer that Ariel has an interest in the surface world - with her collecting human stuff and all. But the song further shows us her desire to see the surface - to see what it's like above water. It shows her desire to see the surface in the form of a song - it has a purpose within the story because it tells you something about the character.

Hazbin Hotel meanwhile sometimes has a problem when it comes to shoving in songs for the sake of meeting the song quota; the two biggest examples are "Hell is Forever" and "Respectless", as well as "Whatever It Takes". These songs are all completely unnecessary and they give us information that could have been communicated through simple dialogue rather than characters bursting out singing.

"Respectless" in particular feels less like a song and more like the characters just...singing a conversation with each other. The song is completely unnecessary and is just there to fill the song quota per episode. None of the songs I've mentioned are necessarily bad, but they suffer from being unneeded (HB also sometimes has this problem in season 2 mainly in episodes 3, 4, and 7).

Aside from that issue - the songs are...fine. None of them are bad but some of them are kinda useless and don't serve much of a purpose. I at least liked Happy Day in Hell and Poison, aside from that most of the songs are...ok. I just don't find most of them that memorable.

6. The Characters

Now, let's talk about the characters. First I'll talk about the main cast then the villains.

Charlie - I think Charlie's...fine. I always like overly positive and happy characters for protagonists so I was going to like Charlie anyway. She's fine; she's easy to root for and she's likable enough.

Vaggie - Vaggie's also fine. I do like her snark in episode 3, but aside from that there isn't much that interesting about her.

Nifty - Nifty's cute. Nifty's funny. I like Nifty.

Angel Dust - sigh Ok so I didn't like Angel Dust in episode 1 because of the fact he was another character whose one character trait is being excessively horny. And I also find all his jokes painfully unfunny. I'm not really in a position to judge how well his abuse from Val was handled so since I held a poll asking SA victim's thoughts on episode 4 and most of them voted no I'll just say that they didn't handle it very well and move on. So ya don't care for Angel Dust.

Alastor - Ah yes the creepy radio demon. He's also fine, I like his whole style and stuff.

Husk - Husk's whole purpose in the first three episodes is pretty much just to be pissed off at stuff, I kinda liked the scene where he talked to Angel Dust in episode 4 but aside from that, Husk is kinda just..fine...like everyone in this main cast.

Now let's talk about the villains so far!

Adam - Don't care for him. Sigh look Adam could be an entertaining villain but so far his dialogue and jokes are just painfully unfunny and I don't care for him as a villain. I could talk about his sidekick whose name I forgot but she's gotten so little screen time I can't form an opinion on her yet.

Also isn't it funny how HH was meant to be a female-focused show yet the males get more focus so far (As I've already talked about)? Ya, I thought so too. Anyways, the characters are...fine. I don't hate any of them, but I also don't really love any of them either. None of them are that interesting so far to me.

That's pretty much what I can say about everything in this show so far; I don't hate the animation but I don't love it either, I don't hate the comedy but I don't love it either, I don't hate the songs but I don't love them either, I don't hate any of the characters but I don't love them either.

7. Conclusion

So, that's my current thoughts on HH based on the first four episodes. Well...it's certainly a show that I watched. It's amazing to me how a show could be so consistently painfully average in pretty much EVERYTHING, from the animation to the songs to the comedy to the characters, to the episodes themselves, Hazbin Hotel is the most painfully average show I've watched so far. It's not bad so far, but it isn't good either. Again, maybe the show will improve when the latter half of season 1 comes out...

...or it will just get worse. I'm expecting the latter unfortunately due to the trailers making it look like there's going to be a Heaven/Hell war which means the show is probably going to abandon its premise like its spin-off (...that came before the main show was released). But ya, Hazbin Hotel is painfully average so far, probably a 6/10 so far, expecting the show to probably get worse, goodbye.

[hectorisagoodboy]

As someone who got into Hazbin Hotel around the time the pilot dropped, yeah, the fandom can be toxic. There've been YouTubers who got enough heat from the fandom for not being 100% positive about everything they said about the show & it's gotten to the point where at least some people don't wanna talk about Hazbin or Helluva, out of fear of the fandom. Me personally, I've been in fandom spaces, long enough to know how to block or just strait up ignore people for the most part. So, take with that information what you will.

I'm not sure if I can recommend Hazbin Hotel though, it's got it's flaws. It definately needed more than eight episodes in season one, to tell the whole story Viv wanted to get out in that single season. Some of the writting decisions just...don't make sense. Idk, it's really up to you if you wanna check it out.

Hola!!!

I'm back! 😅

We were left that I had to finish replying to messages!

Out of curiosity, I'm going to watch the pilot episode this week. For the rest, it's not the first fandom and it won't be the last to have this kind of problem... 🤣

I've also seen some toxic behavior in the "LOTR" fandom or in the "wizarding world" fandom for example!

In LOTR I saw wars arise between those who hated the 2022 series and those who appreciated it. I personally found it very badly written and I didn't like it at all, but I certainly wasn't going to write threats to those who liked it... But unfortunately it happened, I saw a guy receive threats of all kinds because he had written on social media that he liked it! 😳

I have seen strange "cults" and very strange obsessions arise in the Harry Potter fandom... 😅 Yep...

In short, over the years I have at least understood one important thing:

An entertainment product shouldn't be judged based on the fandom... 😶

[ilovevivziepop]

so here is my essay on how MUCH i love you/vivziepop and all the work you/she has done, ever since i was just a small girl (still am 😞 i'm just twelve😭) i have always had a curiosity on what helluva boss or hazbin hotel was when i first ever saw it on my fyp on youtube, (very bad since it has mature things but i loved it) i started to watch it for a while and i LOVED it. It was the best show I ever watched. Of course it was just the pilot but it was still amazing. After that I became a fan, a BIGGG ONE and I always told myself that I wanted to be a voice actor just for you/Vivziepop. And every time i see the show i maybe cried (i did) or got mad and maybe slapped myself lmao (sometimes)  but i always wanted to support you/Vivziepop by buying your/her merch but every single time i asked my mom said no. understandable since my mom hates demons🤷‍♀️, but thanks to my grandma i get to buy your/her merch and i am really glad that she let me, i'm trying to see if my auntie will help me too by buying more stuff just incase my grandma does not have much money left, i love your/her merch so much the acrylic stands are so beautiful and good quality and i love them so much of course my grandma has not given to me yet because it's for christmas but i saw them because i was really excited, after i waited for a while it did not take too long to come over here. my grandma told me it arrived and i literally RAN to the mailbox so fast (and with my asthma) i arrived to the mailbox and opened it so quickly that i could almost break the mailbox door, i saw the package and i grabbed it leaving the rest of the mail inside and ran back home to open it. I saw everything she bought me which was enough to fill my heart with joy, i saw the things she bought me, the verosika on stage acrylic, baby/kid stolas and baby/kid blitzo/blitz acrylic stand and the grimoire i started to cry so much because i felt successful and happy to help you/vivziepop and just even like watching your shows i feel like i helped by buying stuff and i feel so happy😊😊, and i always tried to draw some of your characters like blitzo/blitz or millie or even moxie (which my moxxie came out really good🥰🥰) and right now i am trying to draw fizzarolli😍. But as i was saying if you need a VA (which maybe you don't 😁) i'm here🥰🥰 butttttttttt i don't think i could do it either way but who knows🤷‍♀️ maybe i will or maybe i won’t🤷‍♀️. Just know that i'm your/her biggest fan LIKE BIGGEST and i will always support you/her anyway possible helluva boss changed my way of watching things and actually finding things funny and as well as the hazbin hotel pilot (soon to be SHOWWW⁉⁉ SO EXCITED‼‼‼) and to be honest i KINDAAA KINDDDAAAAA fell in love with alastor WHICH is MAYBE normal lmao, i have made some glass painting which i am maybe planning to make one just for you for all the support i give you🤩🤩, oh! And i forgot I have show my bigger cousin (who only watched spongebob or invader zim which are good shows) but i got her SOOOO hooked up on helluva boss that she is literally OBSESSED (JUST LIKE MEEEEE) and now everytime you/vivziepop posts a new episode we literally watching it together no matter what, AND I'M SO HAPPY YOU/SHE DIDN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN ON ALASTOR LIKE I LOVE YOU/HER BUT I WAS GOING TO DIE IF YOU/SHE CHANGED THE DESIGN LIKE THANK YOU⁉⁉⁉⁉. But yea im (a little crazy) about the hazbin hotel going on prime!! I'm like so happyyyy Like i started to cry when i watched the announcement LIKE OMGGGG!!!! I STARTED CRYING⁉⁉⁉ but i'm like really excited for it and i'm so happy for vivziepop/you to do hazbin hotel on prime I JUST HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I ACTUALLY CRY😭😭😭😭😭.LIKE I WAITED SOOOOOOOO SOOOOOO LONG FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH IT LIKE I ALREADY HAVE A SHRINE OF…..you can guess (ALASTOR😍😍😍)

[heyheyitsjae]

So I've been seeing this shirt go around a lot without context, so I thought I'd add some on to why this penguin was funny in the original show (and so why the creators decided to put it on a shirt) and why the joke falls completely flat on the shirt.

So first thing worth noting is that Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, despite how much fowl language is in them, don't really do slurs. While the show is crass, it tries not to be outright offensive. Jokes are rarely made at the expense of minorities and, when they are, are usually from an antagonist as a way to vilify them. Only one actual slur has been spoken in either show, a single R-word in the (now non-canon) Helluva Boss Pilot.

Recently the show put out an episode called Mission: Antarctica. It's a promotional short that's only 4 minutes long and largely disconnected from the overall plot, so I'd recommend watching it for yourself to decide if its funny or not.

In this short our three Imp protagonists are investigating a murder in the Antarctic. While there they wind up cornered by a by a bunch of penguins. (Who, we later learn, were the murderers.)

One of the Imp's goes: "Do you think they're friendly?"

We then cut to the penguins. Being birds, they can only communicate in squawks and honks. However, English subtitles are provided to understand them.

They start out going "Who are they, what are they?" over and over. Eventually the leader penguin steps up, silences the crowd, and lets out a single squawk that's translated to "*slurs*" (I clarify, no slur is actually said. A bird noise is made out loud and the subtitle is censored.)

Another one of the Imps screams "NOT FRIENDLY" and the rest of the episode is the Imps running away from and fighting off a screaming crowd of penguins, with occasional "*slurs*" text pop ups surrounding the crowd.

At the end of the episode the Imps escape, blowing up most of the penguins. The short ends with the leader penguin from earlier walking out into the middle of the crater and shaking his fist at the sky with one last "*slurs,*" which is where this shirt gets its art from.

Now the joke of this bit is very similar to the Mr. Frog + Jimmy Fallon bit from S1E2 of Smiling Friends. In both cases a character says something rude as a way to get you (the audience) to root against them, but the rude thing is entirely censored. This allows you to fill in the insult with whatever you think would be the most insulting and vilifying for the character to make them a bad guy, without actually insulting or alienating any group of the audience.

I know Tumblr has terrible media literacy (see Larz from Steven Universe or Valentino from Hazbin Hotel) so I'll repeat. The penguins saying "*slurs*" is the show's way of telling you the penguins are the bad guys and should be rooted against.

If you're still confused on what makes this joke funny see Tumblr's tried and honored tradition of uploading a picture of Pingu with a furrowed brow saying "noot noot" in situations you'd say "fuck this" or "fuck you." It's about the same.

Compared to Mr. Frog though this joke has an additional element. Since both HH and HB have avoided slurs so vehemently, having the penguins use them subtly implies they are more rude and vile than previous antagonists like Adam, Valentino, or Mammon despite the fact that they are two foot tall flightless birds.

So that's what made it funny in the episode, why does it fall flat as a shirt? Well, the complete lack of context.

The original joke is essentially "our world has no slurs, do you think these people are nice" followed by "we are bigots and want to kill you." This shirt is cutting out a ton of the joke and only leaving the punchline of "we are bigots and want to kill you."

Firstly this makes the joke incomplete. It's like having a shirt with a chicken saying "to get to the other side" or Grunkle Stan saying "her aim is getting better." Sure if you have context of the full joke these can remind you of it and be funny, but for most people it's going to be completely nonsensical.

Secondly, the specific punchline here is massively hurt by lack of context. If you walk around with a shirt that says "slurs" in public people's first assumption would be that you want to say slurs, which ain't exactly a good message.

That said I can think of one way to potentially save the shirt. You could take a screencap of a different scene in the episode, where Blitz and Millie leaning against filing cabinets and barricading a door with the penguins trying to slip around. Have the many "*slurs*" text around the penguins and give the two Imps a speech bubble that says "we gotta get out of here!" Without actually hearing the squawks this still isn't as funny as the short, but it changes the message of the shirt from 'I'm a penguin who says slurs" to "I'm trying to get away from penguins who say slurs" which is infinitely funnier.

TLDR the creators made a joke about someone being rude by not actually saying anything rude, but by cutting out all context it sounds extra rude.

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